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I see what you did there. 👍
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Can anyone who is going DO seriously say they would not go to an MD over a DO school if they had the option?
Can anybody seriously say that they would rather go to PCOM (Or what ever the school is called) over like a Harvard (or even a Tulane/Georgetown type school?)
please lets get real.
Can anybody seriously say that they would rather go to PCOM (Or what ever the school is called) over like a Harvard (or even a Tulane/Georgetown type school?)
please lets get real.
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How is the view from up there JaggerPlate?
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i don't even know where pcom is, but you couldn't pay me to go to harvard, tulane, or georgetown.
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Obviously I was using Harvard as an example of a top tier med school and Tulane/Georgetown as mid-tier private schools.
Can anyone say they would go to DO school over their dream MD school (or even a mid tier one)?
Can anyone say they would go to DO school over their dream MD school (or even a mid tier one)?
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what's the fa look like?
has this do school magically transplanted itself so that i don't have to move cross country?
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Dear OP,
When there are three pages of war between fundamentalist pro-DOs and anti-DOs, sometimes it is best to just decide that the truth must be somewhere in the middle.
Best of luck,
Decicco
When there are three pages of war between fundamentalist pro-DOs and anti-DOs, sometimes it is best to just decide that the truth must be somewhere in the middle.
Best of luck,
Decicco
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This would be the main reason I didn't apply. I know it's only 60 hours of the entire cirriculum, and I would have gotten over it and applied if I hadn't weaseled my way into an MD school (on my second try), but the idea of pretending to take OMM seriously just made my head hurt. Heck, my school has a single one page paper about CAM and that made my head hurt. The secondary reason was a pride thing: I didn't want to explain 50,000 times what a DO was. I have a big, rude family and I didn't want to explain that 'yes I am a REAL doctor' every Thanksgiving, at least if I could possibly help it. No question I would go DO despite all that if they were cheaper, or if I didn't have another option, but they're always more expensive and I did weasel my way in (woo!) so that was that.
Personally I'm a fan of getting rid of the artificial distinction of DO vs. MD, tossing the COMLEX, making OMM an elective, and relabeling all DO schools MD schools. There's not enough of a difference here to justify the distinction.
Really? That's a pretty broad spectrum of medical schools to have a problem with. What could you possibly have against Harvard AND Tulane AND Georgetown?
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES. It happens quite often. If i hadnt been accepted to a UC, i would be going to either Des Moines or Western (over another MD acceptance). My god, get over youself.
p.s. My spidy-senses are tingling, and i feel that the end of this thread is verrrry near.
some schools (western and Des Moines) have upwards of 200 hours of OMM!
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Cool beans.
Harvard- don't like hst or pblly, MA.
Georgetown- DC, jesuits, not a fan of the curriculum.
Tulane- LA, don't particularly like the program, catholics.
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Wow, I was expecting something that wasn't religious discrimination. If only because I sort of thought anti-Catholic prejudice went out of style when Kennedy was elected. To each their own, I guess. Also, troll.
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The thing is there are a LOT of other factors that play into the decision besides just what degree is given.
For me a BIG factor was location due to my wife's career, clinical rotations, tuition, and curriculum. The DO vs. MD thing didn't really bother me. I had shadowed close to a dozen docs, both MD and DO and all of them had done well for themselves no matter which degree they had. Both are fully licensed physicians, the rest of the equation is up to me to do well.
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Hitler was 1/4 Jewish. Prejudice is prejudice.
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godwin's law means you fail! and according to kershaw no he wasn't. check it.
also, if i don't want to spend my time in a heavily-catholic area or mindset, then that's my business. why have you got your knickers in a twist? did not wanting to go to catholic school as a kiddo make me a prejudiced b itch too?
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Yup. And I can see that all the way from 'up here.'
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Good advice.
OP, I've said this many times before in these types of threads ... but people who usually respond to these types of discussions have an agenda. It's rare that someone pops in and gives a completely honest, unbiased opinion. Most of the time it's people who feel very strongly one way or the other (for example, I think it's no surprise that I will always defend the DO degree and the misinformation that comes in these discussions), and everyone has 'experience in healthcare', or the 'uncle radiologist', or 'worked in the ER with x doc and y doc' etc, to add validity to their statement. Almost everything is variable, try to listen to the civil and logical responses and the best thing you can do is your OWN research.
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If you don't want to be around someone because of their race or religion, that's prejudice. That's what prejudice means. It's no different, no better or worse, than if you didn't want to live in NOLA because there are a lot of Black people there. It's your business and your choice, but it still makes you prejudiced. If you don't like that label that's a shame.
As for when you were a kid: if you didn't want to go to Catholic school because they were stricter and made you wear uniforms that's reasonable. If you didn't want to go because you didn't want to be around Catholics then yes, that's prejudiced.
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Again, look at people like Ryserr's MD apps for the list of qualities while picking a school. Many people would attend schools such as PCOM, CCOM, KCUMB, Western, UNJ etc above MD schools. It doesn't just boil down to one factor.
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Good for you. But the statistics don't lie when a lot of DO's go into allopathic residencies or, better yet, go into specialties that don't rely on OMM. I'm not berating those going into DO school for OMM, nor do I look down upon them. I was just stating my annoyance with the wording of that question as if 100% of applicants go into DO school for OMM, when it's obvious that some percantage of people who stated reasons that lay with OMM philosophy weren't telling the truth and still held the DO "badge" and contributed significantly to healthcare. I just need to stop complaining, that's all.
I never knew. To me, it seems like an insanely ridiculous idea to even go that route when it might be cheaper/smarter to do a post-bac or some other thing. Thanks for letting me know
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okay, obvs i didn't make the "what's up your butt" bold enough, but. what's an imbicle? why is not liking scratchy skirts a better reason than avoiding brainwashing?
oh, i'm a self-hating prejudiced "imbicle"! now i get it!
there's still nothing wrong with not wanting to hang with a big ol' buncha people who- because of some old dude in italy- like to tell me that i'm less than human.
that's why i don't go to family affairs anymore.
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Of course
Now if you'll excuse me while I moan "Oh God" while having sex to constitute it as going to church
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I applied to both. The residency stuff isn't really true. If you want an allopathic residency in a competitive field then it is harder coming from osteopathic, but otherwise there isn't a difference. (There are good and bad residency programs in both allo and osteo). I know multiple radiologists, multiple ENTs, multiple orthopedic surgeons, and several Dermatologists that are DOs.
Research: Dependent on school more than degree. There are DO schools that do research. I don't really care but I already have the opportunity to research if I so choose.
The "best" school is subjective. What makes a school the "best"? Name recognition? Grants? Teaching? Many schools allo and osteo that don't focus on research tend to attract better teachers. (They want to teach and not research) You can't say that one school is "easier" to get into because of simpe grades and mcat averages. I know multiple people with very good stats that interviewed at multiple of each school and got into the allopathic and rejected from the osteopathic. The acceptance averages are around the same or maybe 1-3% different.
Overall, I say apply to both and interview at both and just look at each school as a school. I've interviewed at MD and DO. I have friends at both. Many of the DO schools had nicer facilities. The prices were relatively comparable. The matchlists were pretty comparable. The teaching has been relatively equal and even slightly better at osteopathic schools I sat in on. Unless you come from a huge name school like UCSF, Johns Hopkins, Harvard, etc. there is virtually no difference. I tend to like many of the osteopathic schools with a slightly older and more experienced crowd.
I'm really surprised this thread wasn't shut down. My dad is an MD, AOA, trained at some of the top-rated programs for his internship, residency and fellowships. (Yes 2 Fellowships) He had no reservation in me applying to DO schools. In fact, he told me he rather me go to one school I was accepted over some of the MD schools I applied to. He had that much faith in his partners that went there. They had nicer facilities, better rotations, and pump out solid docs.
Go where you like and ignore the letters. You won't ever have to "explain" your degree. Seriously, I've never had one DO talk about that nor have I ever observed one patient out of my hundreds of hours ever even mention it. You are simply their doctor. Nothing more. They don't give a damn where you went.
Research: Dependent on school more than degree. There are DO schools that do research. I don't really care but I already have the opportunity to research if I so choose.
The "best" school is subjective. What makes a school the "best"? Name recognition? Grants? Teaching? Many schools allo and osteo that don't focus on research tend to attract better teachers. (They want to teach and not research) You can't say that one school is "easier" to get into because of simpe grades and mcat averages. I know multiple people with very good stats that interviewed at multiple of each school and got into the allopathic and rejected from the osteopathic. The acceptance averages are around the same or maybe 1-3% different.
Overall, I say apply to both and interview at both and just look at each school as a school. I've interviewed at MD and DO. I have friends at both. Many of the DO schools had nicer facilities. The prices were relatively comparable. The matchlists were pretty comparable. The teaching has been relatively equal and even slightly better at osteopathic schools I sat in on. Unless you come from a huge name school like UCSF, Johns Hopkins, Harvard, etc. there is virtually no difference. I tend to like many of the osteopathic schools with a slightly older and more experienced crowd.
I'm really surprised this thread wasn't shut down. My dad is an MD, AOA, trained at some of the top-rated programs for his internship, residency and fellowships. (Yes 2 Fellowships) He had no reservation in me applying to DO schools. In fact, he told me he rather me go to one school I was accepted over some of the MD schools I applied to. He had that much faith in his partners that went there. They had nicer facilities, better rotations, and pump out solid docs.
Go where you like and ignore the letters. You won't ever have to "explain" your degree. Seriously, I've never had one DO talk about that nor have I ever observed one patient out of my hundreds of hours ever even mention it. You are simply their doctor. Nothing more. They don't give a damn where you went.
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You can choose your religion. You don't have a choice in what race you are.
If she chooses not to hang out with people because of their choices, not such a big problem.
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why do people always use *my* name in vain?
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I don't go to family affairs because my sister married a black dude. All that "yo' dog" gangsta stuff gets to me.
Plus my cousin is a DO, and everyone knows they're NPs in disguise.
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god damn it tired, marry me.
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i was just thinking that.Only an MD vs DO thread on SDN would bring up religion, Hitler, and sex...
This is better than television...
where are we and how did we get here?
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I'm Catholic. Like most people, while I'm not a big fan of mindless prejudice, I'm most annoyed at prejudices I see directed at me. I don't like the idea prejudices directed at patients who share my beliefs. It bothers me. Reasonable, I think.
Now, if you don't like the beliefs of the Catholic religion that's reasonble too. You can say that, even work to convince people of that. After all religion is a choice. But you're saying you're so deeply prejudiced against Catholics you couldn't even work/learn in a city that happens to have a lot of them. You couldn't go secular school (Tulane) because there might be Catholics wandering around outside. That's crossed the line from intellectual dissent against the beliefs into something mindless and hateful. No I don't care that you were raised Catholic. It's wierd and it's wrong. What exactly are you going to do when your patients are Catholic, anyway?
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I think you're a dude, and I definitely don't live in MA.
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I would rather go to UMDNJ-SOM than VCU, after interviewing at both. Why would I go to a school that doesn't fit me just to get an MD?
please lets get real
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Are you sure you're in the right place? Because last time I checked, this was the internet; where prejudice and ignorance reigns supreme and religion is all about people believing in imaginary friends.
But honestly, stop derailing the thread devoted to a topic that is bound to be locked. Get the flaming going before the lackluster finale happens. Let's at least have some derogatory comments going before the banhammer happens again!
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I'm sorry that I interupted your rudeness by comparing someone to Hitler.
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um. okay. way to totally put words in my mouth.
firstly, i don't go places where there are large concentrations of people who tend to spout off about how i'm going to hell. that's what i avoid, not individual catholics, or even small groups of catholics- the boytoy is catholic, i've got catholic friends. they don't proselytize, we get along fine, even discuss religion. that said, the greater a concentration of catholics, the more likely it is i'm going to end up defending my right to live my life the way i choose from some brainwashed, prejudiced, altar boy.
and i certainly don't care what religion my patients practice.
My ovaries and 36C's beg to differ. I don't live in MA.
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9 finals in 7 days??? you mean to tell me you had 9 classes in 1 semester? i don't think i want to go to medicine any more lol hahahaha
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Okay this has gone on long enough.
Closing. Don't reopen a similar thread (ever please). Use the SEARCH function. This is honestly the most overdone topic on SDN, and every thread ends the same way. Off-topic and full of statements so un-believable I wonder how someone made them up. Just a general note, sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. It does,however, help a debate become a fistfight. Best not to use it on "sensitive" issues such as this.
For those interested I recommend starting with THIS THREAD in PO. And then try using our Search function or Google.
KTHX.
P.S. Someone owes me $20
Closing. Don't reopen a similar thread (ever please). Use the SEARCH function. This is honestly the most overdone topic on SDN, and every thread ends the same way. Off-topic and full of statements so un-believable I wonder how someone made them up. Just a general note, sarcasm doesn't work on the internet. It does,however, help a debate become a fistfight. Best not to use it on "sensitive" issues such as this.
For those interested I recommend starting with THIS THREAD in PO. And then try using our Search function or Google.
KTHX.
P.S. Someone owes me $20
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