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I would think pedophilia would knock you out of at least the top five of all time, but that’s just me.
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I would think pedophilia would knock you out of at least the top five of all time, but that’s just me.
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I can dig up dirt on literally 90% of biblical figures from their very own texts without difficulty. And for your overused worn out argument -
Question: "How old was Mary when Jesus was born?"
Answer: While the Bible does not specifically state how old Mary was when Jesus was born, most Christian historians speculate that she was around 15—16 years of age at the time of Jesus’ birth. According to Jewish customs at the time, a young woman might become betrothed to a young man as early as 12 years of age, though the consummation of their marriage through ceremony and physical intimacy would not happen until they were legally married, many months or even years later.
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I’m not digging up dirt. It’s laid out black and white in the Hadith that Aisha was married to Mohammed at 6 and he consummated the marriage at 9.
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This thread is horrifying to read, especially when high schoolers step in and confidently express their strong opinions to fuel the flames
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I don't get why he wasn't told that this section of the forum was off-limits (really no reason for him to be here).
God forbid somebody confidently express their strong opinions.
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Don't forget to wipe your snot. No adult here gives a crap about your opinions, because "you ain't see nothin' yet". That's why kids like you, when in the Muslim world, are so easy to brainwash and radicalize.
"Confident", "strong" - words stupid people tend to use, in MY experience. Smart people actually have doubts about a lot of things; that's where wisdom begins. Dubito ergo cogito... 😉
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No, I want YOU shut down. Now go back into that black hole called my ignore list, and be grateful that you grew up in America where you can run your mouth, and not in another country where parents do educate their children and teach them how to behave in society.
P.S. If you actually want to spend time on something useful, go read up on black holes (or any other complicated scientific subject). At your age, wasting time chatting on forums is truly dumb.
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Wealthy and wise patrons supporting the arts. I’m glad they have the capital because the government would just waste it.
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I'd argue that Newton's third law of motion may support a belief in a benevolent higher power and why one might ask that power (pray) to intercede for the good. Others may disagree with this theory. That's ok. Just putting this out there for thought.
I'd argue that Newton's law of conservation may support a belief in life after death, as energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transformed into another type of energy. Others may disagree with this theory. That's ok. Just putting this out there for thought.
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Mass and energy are conserved when a bear comes by and eats our dead body. Then he takes a crap and our nitrogen fertilizes the grass.
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Mass and energy are conserved when a bear comes by and eats our dead body. Then he takes a crap and our nitrogen fertilizes the grass.
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Maybe the consciousness is preserved
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Maybe. I’ll let you know after I die.
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idk maybe there are rules that disallowed those who have passed on to communicate with us because it would disrupt the equilibrium of life and death and the mystery of not knowing.
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Maybe the consciousness is preserved
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I think the bear crap found its way into your consciousness.
Meat with barbecue sauce, thank you.
Hanging around for 60 million years is no mean feat!
1) I have no issue with someone naming their child Muhammad. People in America are free to do whatever they wish.
2) I don't care how old a poster is. I'm more concerned with the content of their speech. We are all free to judge that speech, regardless of age.
3) About Newton's laws (and this is probably getting into the weeds, but I will clarify what I meant and then I will drop it):
a) Newton's 3rd law of motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Prayer, to me, is similar to guided imagery, meditation, and cognitive therapy. In all of these things, thoughts are formed which cause change in emotions and/or behaviors. These techniques are tools of change/therapy. I think there has been evidence that these tools work for certain situations/people. Thoughts (action) are an agent of change (reaction). Believing that evil (bad, hurtful intentions and actions) does exist in the world, one might pray for the opposite (good, helpful intentions and actions) to occur. Just like guided imagery does not actually transport oneself to a sandy beach, just like meditation uses mental focus, just like cognitive therapy uses the reenforcement of positive thoughts to overcome negative ones, I feel prayer can be a useful tool for some people. It may not be totally quantifiable, but not all techniques are, IMO.
b) Newton's law of the conservation of energy. Energy is neither created or destroyed, only transformed to another type of energy. Sure, one can propose that the decomposing body gives all of it's energy to the soil, but has anyone actually quantified this? I believe that there is no proof of that. What about in cases of cremation? Does all of that energy go into the air in the form of heat? There really isn't proof of that either. There are theories (such as stone tape theory) and the collection of evidence (electronic voice phenomena, video/camera recordings of light orbs and apparitions, monitoring of EMF/temperature/barometric pressure) in the paranormal community, attempting to document the existence of beings outside of our human dimension. You could say that the paranormal community is just a group of charlatans, but then that would make you a conspiracy theorist.
I don't intend to change anyone's mind on this subject. I just wanted to clarify what I meant. Sometimes people assume that anyone who is spiritual or religious is XXX (you fill in the blank), but sometimes it's just a matter of how you look at the topic and if you are willing to take that leap of faith. For some, the leap is worth it. For others not so much.
2) I don't care how old a poster is. I'm more concerned with the content of their speech. We are all free to judge that speech, regardless of age.
3) About Newton's laws (and this is probably getting into the weeds, but I will clarify what I meant and then I will drop it):
a) Newton's 3rd law of motion: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Prayer, to me, is similar to guided imagery, meditation, and cognitive therapy. In all of these things, thoughts are formed which cause change in emotions and/or behaviors. These techniques are tools of change/therapy. I think there has been evidence that these tools work for certain situations/people. Thoughts (action) are an agent of change (reaction). Believing that evil (bad, hurtful intentions and actions) does exist in the world, one might pray for the opposite (good, helpful intentions and actions) to occur. Just like guided imagery does not actually transport oneself to a sandy beach, just like meditation uses mental focus, just like cognitive therapy uses the reenforcement of positive thoughts to overcome negative ones, I feel prayer can be a useful tool for some people. It may not be totally quantifiable, but not all techniques are, IMO.
b) Newton's law of the conservation of energy. Energy is neither created or destroyed, only transformed to another type of energy. Sure, one can propose that the decomposing body gives all of it's energy to the soil, but has anyone actually quantified this? I believe that there is no proof of that. What about in cases of cremation? Does all of that energy go into the air in the form of heat? There really isn't proof of that either. There are theories (such as stone tape theory) and the collection of evidence (electronic voice phenomena, video/camera recordings of light orbs and apparitions, monitoring of EMF/temperature/barometric pressure) in the paranormal community, attempting to document the existence of beings outside of our human dimension. You could say that the paranormal community is just a group of charlatans, but then that would make you a conspiracy theorist.
I don't intend to change anyone's mind on this subject. I just wanted to clarify what I meant. Sometimes people assume that anyone who is spiritual or religious is XXX (you fill in the blank), but sometimes it's just a matter of how you look at the topic and if you are willing to take that leap of faith. For some, the leap is worth it. For others not so much.
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Exactly. There’s no evidence it works. Everything after that is irrelevant.
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idk maybe there are rules that disallowed those who have passed on to communicate with us because it would disrupt the equilibrium of life and death and the mystery of not knowing.
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Absolutely that would create a disturbance in The Force.
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don’t maybe. Provide evidence or at least a logical argument
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What is UP with all y'all that all of a sudden can't quote correctly?
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It’s either the Force disturbance or Mercury retrograde.
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deleted50478
You should have stopped at ‘idk’.
For the rest of your post you’d need to establish that there are rules, that people who have ‘passed’ exist at all to communicate, that there is an equilibrium to disrupt, and there is a cosmic necessity for mystery.
You can’t establish any of those points, much less all of them.
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No it actually is reasonable and correct. God isnt irrational ( Newton believed in G-d btw)
You should have stopped when you thought youd be able to offend me
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You are free to define prayer however you like, but your description of what you mean doesn’t fit with common usage of the word prayer.
There is no evidence of divine intervention as a result of prayer. There is evidence of nothing happening as a result of prayer. You can’t prove a negative but that doesn’t mean belief in an unfalsifiable claim is justified.
Everyone involved in the paranormal industry is a fraud.
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You should review a list of logical fallacies.
you've yet to disprove God, and speaking of logical fallacies your Ad Homs are through the roof
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I repeat. You should review a list of logical fallacies.
Shifting the burden of proof and appeal to authority for example.
I don’t think I’ve attacked you, just requested better arguments. Don’t beat yourself up, good arguments for god don’t exist.
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Faith, derived from Latin fides and Old French feid,[1] is confidence or trust in a person, thing, or concept.[1][2] In the context of religion, one can define faith as confidence or trust in a particular system of religious belief.[3]Religious people often think of faith as confidence based on a perceived degree of warrant,
[4][5] while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence.[6]
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[4][5] while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence.[6]
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My mother volunteers as a court appointed advocate for a child who was named 'Isis' by her biologic parents.
Admittedly, they were referencing some ancient goddess and their awareness of the world rivals that of a neighbor's rabbit; but the child is only 5.
Not surprisingly, her adopting parents are working on a nickname for now -- and an eventual official name change later.
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No proof of a positive is not the same as proof of a negative.
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Not being able to prove prayer false doesn’t in any way suggest it works. On the other hand if it actually worked, it would be easy enough to demonstrate. The failure to demonstrate the healing power of prayer doesn’t prove it false, but it does cast further doubt on this particular myth.
But then again, if God laid it out to be that easy, then what would be the test of faith?
I’m sorry, but you were the one that said there is “evidence that it doesn’t work” which is simply false. Talk to millions of Christians and I’m sure you’ll find plenty of people that can tell you it works. And I know your response is that it’s just them naively believing that matters of happenstance are actually answers to prayer, and that’s fine. Belief is involved. Obviously.
You say if it actually worked, we should be able to demonstrate it. My question for you is, if it didn’t work, why would millions of people do it for centuries and centuries? That’s a lot of people to simply follow tradition or custom if it never produce and arguably positive results. And maybe it’s a total myth and god isn’t real, and that’s always a possibility, but if it only works through the power of suggestion or placebo effect, and not through magical god powers, is it not still ‘working’?
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You mean the god who created logic wants you not to use it? Doesn’t make sense to me.
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The evidence that it doesn’t work is that patients who were prayed for did no better than other patients.
The number of people who believe something is irrelevant. Argumentum ad populum
You state something like you have reviewed the literature on it and come to a definitive conclusion. Prayer is not an antibiotic. You can’t do a study and expect repeatable results within a margin of error. You don’t have to believe in prayer, but your statements about it, pretending like it’s been studied and proven ineffective, make you sound kinda silly.
No one claims you get everything you pray for. No one claims that for every 100 prayers you get 5 prayers answered. It’s not a this then that kinda thing. It’s fine if you don’t believe in prayer, and it’s fine if you don’t understand prayer. But to talk all smugly like it’s something that’s been proven ineffective, well, it just makes you sound smug about something you don’t really get.
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Haven't you heard? Logic was created by Satan.
You can't fix stupid. Stop trying. Any high IQ person will arrive at logic and, at least, agnosticism instinctively, the same way the highly muscular people want to lift heavier and heavier objects without being told. The not so smart won't, and nor will the sedentary fatties respectively.
Skepticism is a sign of intellect; not unexpectedly, it's strongly discouraged by organized religion - "doubting Thomas", "heresy" etc.
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