Will Trump win again???

[Matty44]

Haven't you heard? Logic was created by Satan.

You can't fix stupid. Stop trying. Any high IQ person will arrive at logic and, at least, agnosticism instinctively, the same way the highly muscular people want to lift heavier and heavier objects without being told. The not so smart won't, and nor will the sedentary fatties respectively.

Skepticism is a sign of intellect; not unexpectedly, it's strongly discouraged by organized religion - "doubting Thomas", "heresy" etc.

Wow, you guys sure are smug. Plenty of people with high IQs are religious. To me, it takes a heck of a lot of lack of IQ to look at all the glorious beauty in nature and say, “Yup, obviously just chance and blind luck this was created.”


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[deleted171991]

Wow, you guys sure are smug. Plenty of people with high IQs are religious. To me, it takes a heck of a lot of lack of IQ to look at all the glorious beauty in nature and say, “Yup, obviously just chance and blind luck this was created.”


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I am not talking about religiosity, or spirituality. I am talking about not having doubts. I am talking in believing in illogical fairy tales.

Of course it's by friggin' chance. When you have billions of billions of star systems, YOU have to be really smug to believe that anybody put you on this planet by some supernatural decision. We are so infinitesimal in the Universe as a grain of sand in the desert. But, hey, if one reads the Bible instead of Stephen Hawking, this is news.

I really don't want to be around for that, but I am curious what all the Bible thumpers will say when an alien civilization shows up and proves me right.

 

[Matty44]

I am not talking about religiosity, or spirituality. I am talking about not having doubts. I am talking in believing in fairy tales.

Of course it's by friggin' chance. When you have billions of billions of star systems, YOU have to be really smug to believe that anybody put you on this planet by some supernatural decision.

Who said you can’t doubt. Plenty of parts of the Bible that tell you to question God, wrestle with god, test your faith. No one says to believe blindly with out questioning what you’re told.....except the IPCC


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[deleted171991]

Definitely the kind of thing I'd like to see in America (sarcasm):

Indonesian faints during whipping for Sharia-banned sex

Despite international condemnation, public flogging is common for a range of offences banned under local Islamic law in the conservative Aceh region on Sumatra island, including gambling, drinking alcohol, and having gay or pre-marital sex. Aceh is the only region in Indonesia, the world's...

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[deleted50478]

You state something like you have reviewed the literature on it and come to a definitive conclusion. Prayer is not an antibiotic. You can’t do a study and expect repeatable results within a margin of error. You don’t have to believe in prayer, but your statements about it, pretending like it’s been studied and proven ineffective, make you sound kinda silly.

No one claims you get everything you pray for. No one claims that for every 100 prayers you get 5 prayers answered. It’s not a this then that kinda thing. It’s fine if you don’t believe in prayer, and it’s fine if you don’t understand prayer. But to talk all smugly like it’s something that’s been proven ineffective, well, it just makes you sound smug about something you don’t really get.


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Too be clear I don’t mean to say prayer is definitely shown to not work. I mean that studies fail to demonstrate an impact. You could argue that answered prayers are extraordinarily rare so the studies are underpowered to detect the results.That’s a fair argument. It’s not an argument that prayer works, even occasionally, but it is an argument against my over-stating the results.

These studies aren’t attempts by atheists to disprove prayer. They are studies by Christians trying, and failing, to prove prayer works. They at least thought prayer had enough impact to prove its effect given their study sizes.

That said, it’s still irrational to believe in something with no evidence. I mean you probably don’t believe in the power of magnets, crystals, Tarot cards, etc. They have exactly the same evidence to support them as prayer.

 

[Hamhock]

These studies aren’t attempts by atheists to disprove prayer. They are studies by Christians trying, and failing, to prove prayer works. They at least thought prayer had enough impact to prove its effect given their study sizes.

I heard they were just praying to the wrong god.

Once you get everyone in the world to pray to the only true god (Shiva), it will work.

You need both the right population size AND the right theologic pharmacology.

HH

 

[nimbus]

I heard they were just praying to the wrong god.

Once you get everyone in the world to pray to the only true god (Shiva), it will work.

You need both the right population size AND the right theologic pharmacology.

HH

What this thread actually needs is a dose of Kali.

 

[deleted171991]

What this thread actually needs is a dose of Kali.

... fawniah?

 

[nimbus]

... fawniah?

No this one....

 

[jw3600]

Religion is a contagious psychiatric illness.

 

[jw3600]

Wow, you guys sure are smug. Plenty of people with high IQs are religious. To me, it takes a heck of a lot of lack of IQ to look at all the glorious beauty in nature and say, “Yup, obviously just chance and blind luck this was created.”


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I mean. We have evidence it was blind luck. Do you have evidence of anything else?

 

[BoolaHI]

Haven't you heard? Logic was created by Satan.

You can't fix stupid. Stop trying. Any high IQ person will arrive at logic and, at least, agnosticism instinctively, the same way the highly muscular people want to lift heavier and heavier objects without being told. The not so smart won't, and nor will the sedentary fatties respectively.

Skepticism is a sign of intellect; not unexpectedly, it's strongly discouraged by organized religion - "doubting Thomas", "heresy" etc.

Indeed. The heaviest cats I knew in divinity school and went on to PhDs who commanded respect from most all, were not adamant followers of religion, but rather, skeptical academics.

 

[deleted171991]

Religion is a contagious psychiatric illness.

Nope. It's an absolutely normal behavior. Plus there are religions and religions. Buddhism may be more acceptable to you than you'd think.

Also, nobody forces you to follow a religion 100%. Take what's useful, what makes you a better person. Shop around.

 

[deleted171991]

No this one....

I knew what you meant, but still... ouch.

 

[vector2]

Also, nobody forces you to follow a religion 100%.

Some of my extended family the other day were talking about how it was so "cute" that their 2 year old grandchild who they take to church was gesturing as if she were also about to pray when the pastor started speaking solemnly.

Point being, you don't need to "force" people into religion if you get them into the system early enough.

 

[deleted171991]

Some of my extended family the other day were talking about how it was so "cute" that their 2 year old grandchild who they take to church was gesturing as if she were also about to pray when the pastor started speaking solemnly.

Point being, you don't need to "force" people into religion if you get them into the system early enough.

That's how they usually brainwash kids. Although the smarter kids develop a Santa Claus-type reaction to religion, once they get enough scientific education.

The problem in this country is the lack/deficit of the latter (that's also why we have to "import" foreign students for the STEM specialties and jobs) . A high school student should not be excited about how great his/her religion is, but about how amazingly interesting science is, and how much it has changed our daily lives. Otherwise s/he's only a cave(wo)man with better tools.

 

[Matty44]

I mean. We have evidence it was blind luck. Do you have evidence of anything else?

I mean, not really you don’t. You have theories. There’s plenty of things that point to intelligent design. Anyways, we aren’t changing people’s political beliefs here, and we’re certainly not gonna have meaningful discussion to change an atheist’s mind to believe in God or vice versa.

But if anyone’s interested, this is pretty fascinating talk kind of focusing on the mathematics of cells and proteins and ID.





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[jw3600]

Nope. It's an absolutely normal behavior. Plus there are religions and religions. Buddhism may be more acceptable to you than you'd think.

Also, nobody forces you to follow a religion 100%. Take what's useful, what makes you a better person. Shop around.

Slavery was normal (hell still is). Does that make it logical, moral, socially compatible. We should probably take this conversation private as while this thread is so ridiculously off topic this would be a whole other wavelength.

 

[Hamhock]

Slavery was normal (hell still is). Does that make it logical, moral, socially compatible. We should probably take this conversation private as while this thread is so ridiculously off topic this would be a whole other wavelength.

I'm not sure this topic is that far off (wavelength-wise). Let's keep it here.

I wandered into the SPF once and learned more about firearms than I needed to adjust my viewpoint.

These discussions -- although uncomfortable (or, as some say, edgy) -- are valuable.

Let's, indeed, talk about religion. It's certainly a most central topic to medicine and the potential that Trump may be elected again.

To respond to your assertion that "religion is a psychiatric illness" and FFP's response:

I challenge DSM's view. Disease should not defined by incidence or prevalence only (excluding suffering). Although the normal curve is important for defining outliers, it's usefulness is lost when exceptionalism is confused with progress or disease, obviously. Truth, as known by the modern understanding of facts, is most important.

A small or large percentage of the population may be diseased.



HH

 

[electropartyogram]

What do yall think about the current progress of the impeachment proceedings? Just curious about anyone's opinion about the matter.

 

[deleted480308]

What do yall think about the current progress of the impeachment proceedings? Just curious about anyone's opinion about the matter.

Like most of politics, neither side has a goal of seeking the truth

 

[electropartyogram]

Like most of politics, neither side has a goal of seeking the truth

I agree, considering it will most likely get held up in the Senate, with the White House supposedly not participating. I know each parties base won't change their minds about their candidate but how would these proceedings affect undecided voters? I am not knowledgable on the outcomes of the elections post-Nixon and post-Clinton.

 

[Mikkel]

I agree, considering it will most likely get held up in the Senate, with the White House supposedly not participating. I know each parties base won't change their minds about their candidate but how would these proceedings affect undecided voters? I am not knowledgable on the outcomes of the elections post-Nixon and post-Clinton.

I think what most people care about is this key fact: Trump did not ask any of his diplomats to do something illegal, his staff didn't ask anyone to do anything illegal, and the Ukrainians didn't do anything illegal.

 

[Angus Avagadro]

I dont think the needle will move much as I dont think there are many undecided independent voters at this point. Other contemporary impeachment had much clearer evidence of criminal activity. Lots of talk in this one with 2nd and 3rd hand testimony about understanding or what someone believed to be going on. Secondly with the rapidly moving goalpost of Russian collusion, bribery, obstruction, abuse of power, etc., it lends some credence to the claim that this an impeachment in search of a crime. Thirdly, it is totally partisan. Republicans ran the House then.With Clinton, I think 31 Democrats crossed over and voted impeachment with a vote on the house floor. I think it's a mistake imo as it will damage Democrats chances in 2020 and energize Trumps base.

 

[d9sccr]

I agree, considering it will most likely get held up in the Senate, with the White House supposedly not participating. I know each parties base won't change their minds about their candidate but how would these proceedings affect undecided voters? I am not knowledgable on the outcomes of the elections post-Nixon and post-Clinton.

It's far too early to tell how this plays out IMO. Dems were going to impeach from Day 1. It'll be kicked to the Senate, where there are 2 thoughts about how it'll play out. McConnell allegedly wants to get it over and done ASAP--likely to get it out of the voter's minds before the election. Trump apparently wants to drag the Dems through the fire as THUS FAR, they don't have the goods. That could obviously backfire and hurt Trump, but it may also end Biden's nomination/career.

I don't think there are that many undecided candidates honestly--just look at this thread. Everyone is bending over backward to make their side seem the reasonable and sane one. The other big question is who will be the Dem candidate? If it’s anyone even perceived as moderate, good chance Trump goes down

 

[electropartyogram]

I dont think the needle will move much as I dont think there are many undecided independent voters at this point. Other contemporary impeachment had much clearer evidence of criminal activity. Lots of talk in this one with 2nd and 3rd hand testimony about understanding or what someone believed to be going on. Secondly with the rapidly moving goalpost of Russian collusion, bribery, obstruction, abuse of power, etc., it lends some credence to the claim that this an impeachment in search of a crime. Thirdly, it is totally partisan. With Clinton, I think 7 Republicans on the Judiciary Comittee voted to move forward with impeachment. I think it's a mistake imo as it will damage Democrats chances in 2020 and energize Trumps base.

I like your analysis. I did think it was weird that 2 years was spent on "Russian collusion" and now they are attempting to impeach him for the Ukraine thing, all while they had him under a microscope, looking over every little thing.

 

[electropartyogram]

It's far too early to tell how this plays out IMO. Dems were going to impeach from Day 1. It'll be kicked to the Senate, where there are 2 thoughts about how it'll play out. McConnell allegedly wants to get it over and done ASAP--likely to get it out of the voter's minds before the election. Trump apparently wants to drag the Dems through the fire as THUS FAR, they don't have the goods. That could obviously backfire and hurt Trump, but it may also end Biden's nomination/career.

I don't think there are that many undecided candidates honestly--just look at this thread. Everyone is bending over backward to make their side seem the reasonable and sane one. The other big question is who will be the Dem candidate? If it’s anyone even perceived as moderate, good chance Trump goes down

I think a lot of this will depend on 1) who the Democrat nominee is and 2) how the Trump camp handles the battle. For instance, if Warren somehow wins the election, and sticks to her Medicare-for-All and strict gun laws, if Trump can just be smart for once (unlikely), he could be able to bring light to how laughably bad their platform is.

I believe Biden would have had the nomination, but given the recent events, and seeing how the impeachment proceedings will go if Hunter Biden is called to the stand, I believe the election will be close.

 

[AMEHigh]

I agree, considering it will most likely get held up in the Senate, with the White House supposedly not participating. I know each parties base won't change their minds about their candidate but how would these proceedings affect undecided voters? I am not knowledgable on the outcomes of the elections post-Nixon and post-Clinton.

Clinton was impeached at the beginning of his 2nd term. He left office with high approval ratings. Although Bush went in to become president afterwards that was the year of the controversial FL results and the recount. (I think Gore won the popular vote but don’t quote me on that part).

 

[electropartyogram]

Clinton was impeached at the beginning of his 2nd term. He left office with high approval ratings. Although Bush went in to become president afterwards that was the year of the controversial FL results and the recount. (I think Gore won the popular vote but don’t quote me on that part).

Yes, you are correct. It is interesting because I feel that polling now is different and potentially a lot less accurate than it used to be. Recently, Trump posed a 52% approval rating I believe? Even on the chance that Trump is actually impeached (unlikely) I would think that it could fire up the base and right-leaning independents more as they would have a better reason to vote R (Pence).

 

[d9sccr]

I think a lot of this will depend on 1) who the Democrat nominee is and 2) how the Trump camp handles the battle. For instance, if Warren somehow wins the election, and sticks to her Medicare-for-All and strict gun laws, if Trump can just be smart for once (unlikely), he could be able to bring light to how laughably bad their platform is.

I believe Biden would have had the nomination, but given the recent events, and seeing how the impeachment proceedings will go if Hunter Biden is called to the stand, I believe the election will be close.

Mostly agree. Idk how much more damage Trump is actually able to do to the country, at least from a discourse standpoint, which was my biggest concern when he was elected. So, for that reason, I’d love to see him beat down Warren or Sanders and end this socialism platform, at least for awhile.

I know Biden continues to poll well vs Trump, but idk how that actually plays out when they get on a stage. Joe looks like an escapee from the memory care unit. Even during the uncut debates he can barely string together a few sentences. Trump will be all over that.

 

[electropartyogram]

Mostly agree. Idk how much more damage Trump is actually able to do to the country, at least from a discourse standpoint, which was my biggest concern when he was elected. So, for that reason, I’d love to see him beat down Warren or Sanders and end this socialism platform, at least for awhile.

I know Biden continues to poll well vs Trump, but idk how that actually plays out when they get on a stage. Joe looks like an escapee from the memory care unit. Even during the uncut debates he can barely string together a few sentences. Trump will be all over that.

I definitely agree with that. The good thing about the idiocy of Trump's words is there is no questioning what he thinks, and he got it all out of the way, early on. People, for the most part, don't really care that much (that it would affect the election) about what he said. They care about the content but it probably won't sway how they vote. It didn't in 2016 it won't do it in 2020. People know Obama detained and separated illegal immigrant families so they can't use that against Trump. The economy is good, unemployment are down. Border apprehensions down for the 6th consecutive month? Foreign policy has been great with N. Korea, Russia, China (will finish a good trade deal before the election so it's fresh in the minds of voters would be a strong move).

In terms of comparison, Trump has a lot of selling points he can make to voters, while at the same time having rebuttals for attacks from Biden (Hunter, Ukraine, stamina, Obama admin leftovers, etc). Democrats are currently split between old guard left-leaning moderates and just about full-on left-wing socialism. The result of the Democratic nomination could determine how the party swings for the short-term, at least until 2024. They still fight within themselves. 2020 will be a good one.

 

[Angus Avagadro]

Clinton was impeached at the beginning of his 2nd term. He left office with high approval ratings. Although Bush went in to become president afterwards that was the year of the controversial FL results and the recount. (I think Gore won the popular vote but don’t quote me on that part).

Yes, Gore won the popular vote.

 

[Angus Avagadro]

Mostly agree. Idk how much more damage Trump is actually able to do to the country, at least from a discourse standpoint, which was my biggest concern when he was elected. So, for that reason, I’d love to see him beat down Warren or Sanders and end this socialism platform, at least for awhile.

I know Biden continues to poll well vs Trump, but idk how that actually plays out when they get on a stage. Joe looks like an escapee from the memory care unit. Even during the uncut debates he can barely string together a few sentences. Trump will be all over that.

Escapee from a memory care unit?? OUCH!

 

[electropartyogram]

Escapee from a memory care unit?? OUCH!

Biden is 77. Trump is 73.

 

[BoolaHI]

R cities making those huge contributions to both technology advancement and the economy—not.

Five Cities Account for Vast Majority of Growth in Tech Jobs, Study Finds

The forces that are driving the nation’s top technology talent to just a handful of cities have intensified in recent years, leaving much of the nation behind as the U.S. becomes a more digital economy, according to a new study.

www.wsj.com

 

[deleted480308]

R cities making those huge contributions to both technology advancement and the economy—not.

Five Cities Account for Vast Majority of Growth in Tech Jobs, Study Finds

The forces that are driving the nation’s top technology talent to just a handful of cities have intensified in recent years, leaving much of the nation behind as the U.S. becomes a more digital economy, according to a new study.

www.wsj.com

paywall...

But it's not a municipal role to contribute to tech advancement, just get out of the way and let the market do it

 

[vector2]

I dont think the needle will move much as I dont think there are many undecided independent voters at this point. Other contemporary impeachment had much clearer evidence of criminal activity. Lots of talk in this one with 2nd and 3rd hand testimony about understanding or what someone believed to be going on. Secondly with the rapidly moving goalpost of Russian collusion, bribery, obstruction, abuse of power, etc., it lends some credence to the claim that this an impeachment in search of a crime. Thirdly, it is totally partisan. Republicans ran the House then.With Clinton, I think 31 Democrats crossed over and voted impeachment with a vote on the house floor. I think it's a mistake imo as it will damage Democrats chances in 2020 and energize Trumps base.

The biggest failing of the dems so far is that they haven't been hammering the point home every second that all this bs nonsense about "2nd hand, 3rd hand, presumption, hearsay" blah blah is only because Mulvaney, Pompeo, Giuliani, Perry, Bolton, and Trump are all stonewalling lawful subpoenas. Not to mention, there are hundreds if not thousands of contemporaneous memos and other related documents from State and OMB which are being unlawfully withheld. For instance, George Kent testified but all the notes he's ever made about Ukraine are still being withheld because they are State Dept property.

Everyone involved in Watergate testified under oath. Slick Willy testified under oath. None of the primaries involved in the plot to withhold Congressionally appropriated funds for political gain have testified because they would all perjure themselves in the first 30 seconds.

 

[Mikkel]

The biggest failing of the dems so far is that they haven't been hammering the point home every second that all this bs nonsense about "2nd hand, 3rd hand, presumption, hearsay" blah blah is only because Mulvaney, Pompeo, Giuliani, Perry, Bolton, and Trump are all stonewalling lawful subpoenas. Not to mention, there are hundreds if not thousands of contemporaneous memos and other related documents from State and OMB which are being unlawfully withheld. For instance, George Kent testified but all the notes he's ever made about Ukraine are still being withheld because they are State Dept property.

Everyone involved in Watergate testified under oath. Slick Willy testified under oath. None of the primaries involved in the plot to withhold Congressionally appropriated funds for political gain have testified because they would all perjure themselves in the first 30 seconds.

Do you realize that NOBODY testified that Pompeo, Guiliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Trump, and Bolton told them to do anything illegal?

There was no testimony whatsoever that implicated anyone in the Trump administration.

The second and third hand information was all from a group of diplomats playing a game of telephone amongst themselves.

This is an abject embarrassment for the Democrats.

 

[vector2]

Do you realize that NOBODY testified that Pompeo, Guiliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Trump, and Bolton told them to do anything illegal? .

Do you realize Giuliani's Ukrainian goons have already been indicted and Rudy is next up at bat?

Do you realize that Trump himself asked for a quid pro quo and then only instructed Mulvaney to release the aid after he became aware of the whistleblower and the congressional investigation?

Do you realize that multiple witnesses went to the NSC lawyer to protect themselves from going to jail after Bolton called this quid pro quo a drug deal?


If you weren’t such a partisan hack, you’d realize that the main players could release all the documents and testify like all the Watergate players or Clinton and easily exonerate themselves.....but they would only do that if they weren’t assuredly going to perjure themselves or be forced to take the 5th. Do you remember when Trump’s lawyers thought he was such a pathological liar that they wouldn’t let him sit down with Mueller in person?

 

[vector2]

I love my totally not completely riddled with brainworms, very stable genius president.

 

[BoolaHI]

paywall...

But it's not a municipal role to contribute to tech advancement, just get out of the way and let the market do it

It is the role of government to create such a robustness of societal culture that it integrates many of these elements—it just doesn’t happen by magic or luck.

 

[deleted480308]

It is the role of government to create such a robustness of societal culture that it integrates many of these elements—it just doesn’t happen by magic or luck.

it is not the role of govt to do that. you want "robustness of culture" donate to or buy tickets to your local theatre

 

[Mikkel]

Do you realize Giuliani's Ukrainian goons have already been indicted and Rudy is next up at bat?

They got indicted for funneling money to Hillary Clinton.

Do you realize that Trump himself asked for a quid pro quo and then only instructed Mulvaney to release the aid after he became aware of the whistleblower and the congressional investigation?

Or maybe it had something to do with other benchmarks of anti corruption, as was testified?

Do you realize that multiple witnesses went to the NSC lawyer to protect themselves from going to jail after Bolton called this quid pro quo a drug deal?

Yet with nobody in the Trump administration being the one who originated the "drug deal"... and Bolton.... Oh yes, THAT Bolton, the one who lied the US into Iraq and who has an axe to grind, who is as pro war as most Democrats these days... Ok, buddy.

Nice, uh, "evidence", you got there.

 

[vector2]

They got indicted for funneling money to Hillary Clinton.





Or maybe it had something to do with other benchmarks of anti corruption, as was testified?



Yet with nobody in the Trump administration being the one who originated the "drug deal"... and Bolton.... Oh yes, THAT Bolton, the one who lied the US into Iraq and who has an axe to grind, who is as pro war as most Democrats these days... Ok, buddy.

Nice, uh, "evidence", you got there.

Lol, do you actually believe the crap you say or are you just as cynical and craven as the GOP Congress? Lev and Igor, the indicted guys who pay Rudy a bunch of Russian oligarch money, got indicted for funneling more oligarch money to R Pete Sessions so he could lobby to get Yovanovitch fired.

The evidence is all locked up nice and tight with the criminals who refuse to release it and who refuse to testify. I don’t care what kind of hack nonsense you want to keep spinning, so I’ll say it very slowly again for you since you just can’t seem to grasp it: Trump and his cronies are not complying with lawful subpoenas as they fail to release documents and come testify. That alone is obstruction of Congress and likely obstruction of justice. They are not complying because they’d perjure themselves. I get it...I really do....you don’t care about the law or the rules or anything that impedes Trump and everything is a conspiracy to you blah blah, but unfortunately for you, he’s not a dictator (at least not yet).

Who in their right mind who isn’t as partisan as you believes that Trump cares about corruption at all, let alone Ukrainian corruption? We are talking about a guy who had to shut down his phony “university” and pay fines, shut down his phony “charity” and pay fines, stiffed god knows how many contractors in the real estate business, pulled strings to get Ivanka’s China patents, has not separated himself from his business interests, violates the emoluments clause everyday, fights vigorously not to release his tax returns, and who is best friends with Putin, MBS, Erdogan, Kim, Duterte, and Orban. Seriously, who do you think you’re convincing other than other desperate Trump fanboys?

 

[Stank811]

The Obama administration used the intelligence agencies and intelligence agencies of our allies to spy on a citizen and his campaign running for the Presidency before, during and after the election. And in order to do so they made up information, left out information, and completely changed documents in order to maintain FISA warrants.

 

[Mikkel]

Trump and his cronies are not complying with lawful subpoenas as they fail to release documents and come testify. That alone is obstruction of Congress and likely obstruction of justice.

Oh really? Where is the lawsuit filed by the Democrats to enforce that?

It doesn't exist. You can't have obstruction is there was no obstruction.

 

[vector2]

Back here on planet earth

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Key takeaways from the report

The FBI did not use the Steele dossier to open Russia probe
Lynch, Comey sat for IG interviews
No evidence political bias was a factor
Peter Strzok and Lisa Page were not decision-makers
Carter Page was the only Trump official under FISA surveillance
First Carter Page FISA contained ‘seven significant inaccuracies and omissions’
Steele dropped as FBI source after Mother Jones article
Steele had prior relationship with Ivanka Trump
Manafort was under investigation prior to Russia probe scrutiny

Inspector general’s report on Russia probe: Key takeaways

Here are the major findings from IG Michael Horowitz’s review of the FBI’s handling of its investigation of the Trump campaign in 2016.

www.politico.com

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[BoolaHI]

it is not the role of govt to do that. you want "robustness of culture" donate to or buy tickets to your local theatre

Culture is not just culture, it’s the entire environment of where people want to live and work—and that is the business of government. Consider, cities and metros provide the economic engine of the U.S. economy — generating 85 percent of economic output — they have also become a singular political force as they are almost exclusively democratic.

First, education is a big factor in the metro vote. Economists have long noted how the clustering of highly-skilled, highly educated people powers the economic growth of cities. And as with density, the higher the level of education for a metro, the more likely it is to be blue. In fact, the least educated states and the least comically productive states are at once republican—are these not fundamental issues for any governing structure.

Second, the kind of work voters do — economic class — also helped shape their partisan voting patterns in metros. Creative class metros — those with high concentrations of workers in science and technology; business and management; healthcare, education, and arts, culture and entertainment — voted for democratic ; working class metros went for Rs.

 

[deleted480308]

Culture is not just culture, it’s the entire environment of where people want to live and work—and that is the business of government. Consider, cities and metros provide the economic engine of the U.S. economy — generating 85 percent of economic output — they have also become a singular political force as they are almost exclusively democratic.

First, education is a big factor in the metro vote. Economists have long noted how the clustering of highly-skilled, highly educated people powers the economic growth of cities. And as with density, the higher the level of education for a metro, the more likely it is to be blue. In fact, the least educated states and the least comically productive states are at once republican—are these not fundamental issues for any governing structure.

Second, the kind of work voters do — economic class — also helped shape their partisan voting patterns in metros. Creative class metros — those with high concentrations of workers in science and technology; business and management; healthcare, education, and arts, culture and entertainment — voted for democratic ; working class metros went for Rs.

I’m not sure why you think the political bent of cities changes my opinion on the appropriate role for govt

 

[vector2]

Oh really? Where is the lawsuit filed by the Democrats to enforce that?

It doesn't exist. You can't have obstruction is there was no obstruction.

Lol “where is the lawsuit?” This is how criminals like trump and people who support mafiosos think. How about Trump and his goons release the documents and come testify if they have nothing to hide, just like every other impeachment investigation. As we know, they can’t cause Mulvaney already admitted the quid pro quo on national tv

Trump is engaging in unprecedented obstruction and bad faith in regard to historic checks and balances. Congress could file a lawsuit, but how helpful is that when a lawsuit takes months if not years to get resolved, and Trump is currently engaging in bribery to sway an election less than a year away?

I also can’t say it enough. Trump already got caught.. Maybe there would’ve been some kind of argument had he released the aid in summer, but he released the aid only after he got busted by the whistleblower and congress started an investigation.