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Actually Steele was originally paid by a CONSERVATIVE news organization and only came to work for Clinton after the fact. Steele is a private citizen and not a foreign agent, nice try though.

Wrong.

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, an attorney for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier.
 
This is such a joke. They are now going to “retroactively” make material classified in order to potentially prosecute people for security violations. Insane.


They broke the law.
 
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Really? The president of the United States withholds $400MM from every country that doesn't investigate Americans based just on hearsay? Can you please show me a precedent, especially one involving prosecuting Republicans?

That entire phone conversation rings like blackmail, or quid pro quo, to anybody who's ever seen corruption before. And withholding an immense foreign aid (when compared to the Ukrainian economy) just confirmed it.

Let me stop posting here, because this is getting futile: those who have always found excuses for Trump will continue finding them, even when reality stares them in the face. Because it's not about the truth; it's about sharing the same bigoted values and/or selling themselves and the country out for thirty pieces of silver less in taxes.

"Rings like" is about as credible as the Russia hoax, physical fitness "scandal", and every other harebrained scheme you guys have tried to cook up to oust Trump. Grow up, get a hold of yourselves, and look back several decades to see what a relatively sane Democratic Party would look like.
 
Wrong.

In October 2015, Fusion GPS was contracted by conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In April 2016, an attorney for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC separately hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump, while The Free Beacon stopped its backing in May of 2016.[2] In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele's firm to compile the dossier.

Is English your first language? You realize what you wrote directly supports what I said. Fusion GPS was hired by conservative organization first and then that material became part of the dossier. Fusion GPS went on to hire Steele. Steele is a private citizen, not a foreign agent. Nice try.
 
Sure, in third-world dictatorships. It was like Godfather IV, especially the part where it mentioned Giuliani. What's the president's personal lawyer, who doesn't exist as a member of US government, doing in a diplomatic discussion? Why is he even involved, unless we are playing Godfather? And, if this discussion was so innocent, why was the White House so desperate to hide it?

Keep rationalizing. Also remember the road to hell... If you don't like Warren, don't vote for her; I may not vote either. But there is really no excuse for voting for Trump except SELFISHNESS.

I come from a second-world developing country, and I'm telling you: THIS is how corruption looks. THIS is how a corrupt president who's dealing for himself and his businesses looks. To me, this is deja vu. It beats me how this isn't obvious to many millions of Americans, but, hey, this is the most naive/credulous population I have met on Earth.
I agree... This is how corruption looks like where I come from... Did not for either Hillary or Trump. It seems like Warren will win the nomination and it will be a tough choice for those of us who are in the middle.
 
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You realize that Steele is a private citizen, right? That is not the same as accepting help from a foreign power and is NOT illegal. Nice try though. You need to read up on election law.
That is the issue with a lot Americans. Even the ones that are educated just repeat what they hear in Fox News or MSNBC...
 
You realize that Steele is a private citizen, right? That is not the same as accepting help from a foreign power and is NOT illegal. Nice try though. You need to read up on election law.

Election law be damned. Certainly hasn't stopped Google, Facebook, and Twitter - the most powerful entities on the planet - from meddling in elections.
 
I don't think Trump has done all that much for America, but he hasn't completely failed either. Politically neutral, unless there is a better candidate that presents them self, I would vote for trump or not at all. The current candidate pool doesn't look good, so if he wins again, I wouldn't be surprised.
 
I don't think Trump has done all that much for America, but he hasn't completely failed either. Politically neutral, unless there is a better candidate that presents them self, I would vote for trump or not at all. The current candidate pool doesn't look good, so if he wins again, I wouldn't be surprised.
Well, you have your personally lawyer representing the State Department... Geez!

The current major democratic candidates are ok except for Bernie and Warren...
 
I don't think Trump has done all that much for America, but he hasn't completely failed either. Politically neutral, unless there is a better candidate that presents them self, I would vote for trump or not at all. The current candidate pool doesn't look good, so if he wins again, I wouldn't be surprised.
And that's why I probably won't vote at all, as things stand. However, neither am I fooling myself about Trump, the Democrats or the Republicans (all have been dirty as hell, historically - no human is perfect, and power corrupts). The latter cult-like behavior is what makes me lose a lot of respect for people.

One is entitled to one's opinion, but one is not entitled to one's own facts. And here the facts have been screaming dirty and corruption, from before inauguration. The right is supporting a man who wants to be king, and that's why the present reminds some of 1776. On the other hand, the left has not been able to come forward with a decent centrist who's in tune with most of the country (e.g. against illegal immigration); that's all they need.
 
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I take it at this point Biden is pretty much DOA now with these new transcripts.

Looks like it’s gonna be Warren vs Trump in 2020.

Save up! Or don’t she’ll just take it away.
Trump probably shouldn't have been such a fake populist to begin with. My two personal fave bald faced lies:





I've always said that if Trump won, he'd accelerate someone like Bernie or Warren winning because he'd basically be a pathological liar looking out for Trump inc. and a big time corporatist puppet for the gop Congress, policy wise.

Man I miss Obama! Reasonable marginal rates, good business and stock market certainty, deficit went down etc Probably the best president since slick Willy
 
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Don't you understand that the Democrat platform is elimination of free speech?

Don't recall a dem calling the press the "enemy of the people" or constantly bashing CNN which is arguably more mainstream than right wing trash like breitbart or info wars

Journalists mainly get assaulted at Trump rallies. Let me know when dems start doing that
 
Trump probably shouldn't have been such a fake populist to begin with. My two personal fave bald faced lies:





I've always said that if Trump won, he'd accelerate someone like Bernie or Warren winning because he'd basically be a pathological liar looking out for Trump inc. and a big time corporatist puppet for the gop Congress, policy wise.

Man I miss Obama! Reasonable marginal rates, good business and stock market certainty, deficit went down etc Probably the best president since slick Willy

Well, we only care about deficit when there is a democrat in the WH...
 
Well, we only care about deficit when there is a democrat in the WH...
Funny how all those Republicans and tea partiers have been remarkably silent with Trump's trillion dollar annual deficits but screamed bloody murder when Obama inherited GWBs ridiculous deficits and the worst economy in generations.

I'm sure they'll blame whichever Dem has to pick up the pieces after the coming trumpcession in the same way.
 
This has to be 10s of trillions of dollars...

The problem is the so called party of "fiscal conservatism" has zero credibility on talking about deficits. Trump has signed into a law a major tax cut without spending cuts and increased spending on the recent budgets to trillions of dollars at the same time.

Printing presses at the federal reserve won't ever stop at this rate.

Im a "never-trump Republican," but looking more and more at what the gop has done the last few years fiscally (among other things), not sure I'll ever vote Republican again
 
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Funny how all those Republicans and tea partiers have been remarkably silent with Trump's trillion dollar annual deficits but screamed bloody murder when Obama inherited GWBs ridiculous deficits and the worst economy in generations.

I'm sure they'll blame whichever Dem has to pick up the pieces after the coming trumpcession in the same way.
I voted for McCain over Obama and then Obama over Romney. And looking back, I can say Obama was a good president (not great)... Thinking about healthcare in particular, the public option (even if I was against it) that was proposed would have saved our healthcare system. It might be too late now.
 
I voted for McCain over Obama and then Obama over Romney. And looking back, I can say Obama was a good president (not great)... Thinking about healthcare in particular, the public option (even if I was against it) that was proposed would have saved our healthcare system. It might be too late now.
And irony is that the individual mandate of Obamacare was modeled after a right wing idea of personal responsibility. The issue is that it didn't address costs.

I think the right wing and Republicans in general didn't want him to get credit so they tried to torpedo things ever since. And of course we all know repeal and replace turned into "choke and forget about it". The GOP has zero credibility on healthcare
 
And irony is that the individual mandate of Obamacare was modeled after a right wing idea of personal responsibility. The issue is that it didn't address costs.

I think the right wing and Republicans in general didn't want him to get credit so they tried to torpedo things ever since. And of course we all know repeal and replace turned into "choke and forget about it". The GOP has zero credibility on healthcare

Wrong, no Republican would support forcing people to buy an Obama-approved health insurance plan that includes things they do not want (like abortion coverage for men).

Republicans do support catastrophic coverage insurance, however. The problem with Obama is that he forced people out of those kinds of plans by fiat.
 
A former Prime Minister of Ukraine has said that authorities in that country must investigate Joe Biden’s son Hunter to establish whether or not his role on the board of a Ukrainian gas company complied with the nation’s laws.

"It should be investigated so that the 'i's can be dotted and the 't's crossed," Mykola Azarov told Reuters Saturday, adding: "If he [Hunter Biden] was simply on the books and getting money, then that could be seen as a violation of the law."
 
Is English your first language? You realize what you wrote directly supports what I said. Fusion GPS was hired by conservative organization first and then that material became part of the dossier. Fusion GPS went on to hire Steele. Steele is a private citizen, not a foreign agent. Nice try.

You are xenophobic with that insult against my English grammar.

Michael Steele only came onboard AFTER Hillary Clinton got involved and paid for a dirt dossier. Michael Steele was responsible for the Russian dossier.

Read over the words again.
 
A former Prime Minister of Ukraine has said that authorities in that country must investigate Joe Biden’s son Hunter to establish whether or not his role on the board of a Ukrainian gas company complied with the nation’s laws.

"It should be investigated so that the 'i's can be dotted and the 't's crossed," Mykola Azarov told Reuters Saturday, adding: "If he [Hunter Biden] was simply on the books and getting money, then that could be seen as a violation of the law."
Just like the phone call to the Ukrainian president and the withholding of taxpayer dollars before then has to be investigated.

So far the Biden thing has been a big nothingburger, just ask the former Ukrainian prosecutor who was on the job at the time.


Most Americans won't be surprised about crooked Trump though

 
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Wrong, no Republican would support forcing people to buy an Obama-approved health insurance plan that includes things they do not want (like abortion coverage for men).

Republicans do support catastrophic coverage insurance, however. The problem with Obama is that he forced people out of those kinds of plans by fiat.
Republicans prefer deadbeats showing up the in ER and getting free care?

Where is Trumpcare?



He had 2 years in his first term to get something done, very similar to Obama's first two years.
 
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The problem is the so called party of "fiscal conservatism" has zero credibility on talking about deficits. Trump has signed into a law a major tax cut without spending cuts and increased spending on the recent budgets to trillions of dollars at the same time.

Printing presses at the federal reserve won't ever stop at this rate.

Im a "never-trump Republican," but looking more and more at what the gop has done the last few years fiscally (among other things), not sure I'll ever vote Republican again
Yeah right, you're a Republican but you'll suddenly change your entire platform and go pro-abortion, anti free speech, wealth confiscation, and gun confiscation.
 
Yeah right, you're a Republican but you'll suddenly change your entire platform and go pro-abortion, anti free speech, wealth confiscation, and gun confiscation.
Yup. Party of no has done nothing to address the above. Better to stay with the status quo? Giving the trillion dollar annual deficits, Trump's attacks on the media, the NRA Russian puppets and deregulated gun culture a free pass? We have the most anti free speech president currently in power in generations.

There's a reason why Republicans lose voters every year and it isn't because they just die off.
 
You realize that Steele is a private citizen, right? That is not the same as accepting help from a foreign power and is NOT illegal. Nice try though. You need to read up on election law.


Steele was a high level British intelligence agent who was “retired”. How do you feel about Mifsud, Harper, Turk, etc. Our government under the Obama leadership led a operation using our intelligence assets as well as our allies (British, Italy, Australia, Ukraine, Germany etc) to spy on a US citizen running for the presidency of the United States to undermine his campaign before and after the election.

The issue is not a republican vs democratic issue. Stop the division over party, race, sex, wealth etc and understand the implications of the above. All major players of both parties wanted Trump to lose...why
 
Just like the phone call to the Ukrainian president and the withholding of taxpayer dollars before then has to be investigated.

It turns out that the Ukrainian government had no idea the funds were withheld.

How do you do quid pro quo without the quid?

That whole theory falls on its face, and all you have left is Trump trying to get to the bottom of why a former vice president was proudly admitting he extorted the government of Ukraine.

Biden isn't even Trump's political opponent, he's just a former VP who will probably not make it through the primary. So you're saying anybody with a D next to their name is off limits from corruption investigations?
 
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Biden isn't even Trump's political opponent, he's just a former VP who will probably not make it through the primary. So you're saying anybody with a D next to their name is off limits from corruption investigations?
We all know why Trump is trying Trump up fake news against Biden. He did the same against Hillary.

Biden was cleared


Biden has the best chance to win back the rustbelt, so the Demd would obviously be smart to pick him. And trump knows his real threat

 
Yup. Party of no has done nothing to address the above. Better to stay with the status quo? Giving the trillion dollar annual deficits, Trump's attacks on the media, the NRA Russian puppets and deregulated gun culture a free pass? We have the most anti free speech president currently in power in generations.

There's a reason why Republicans lose voters every year and it isn't because they just die off.
Wow, you'd go from being pro life to pro abortion just to spite the president?


How is Trump anti free speech? Your reasoning is third grade so far... He criticizes the Democrat media, and that means...?
 
Wow, you'd go from being pro life to pro abortion just to spite the president?


How is Trump anti free speech? Your reasoning is third grade so far... He criticizes the Democrat media, and that means...?
Democrat media lol. Talk about third grade. You prefer Trump's Twitter lies?

Never was pro life. I like slick Willy's abortion stance... Safe, legal and rare
 
We all know why Trump is trying Trump up fake news against Biden. He did the same against Hillary.

Biden was cleared



How was Biden cleared if the prosecutor was fired and evidence wasn't collected?


It seems pretty clear from Joe Biden's extortion that anyone who would even dare investigate that company would be terminated.

That's the power of having a vice president's son on the board.


By the way, the corruption was what Joe Biden did, and his gaffe-prone ways made that plain to everyone what he did, on camera. He's such a fool by admitting he committed a crime with his extortion of a foreign government.
 
Democrat media lol. Talk about third grade. You prefer Trump's Twitter lies?

Never was pro life. I like slick Willy's abortion stance... Safe, legal and rare

Close to 100% of major network journalists donate to the DNC. It's public information that you're ignoring so casually.

Remember 2016 and how fake polls were used to try to decrease Republican voter turnout? It's amazing that this election interference by the media is allowed.
 
Kinda like the gaffe prone guy in the wh asking the Ukrainian president for a favor?

Let me put this in words you can understand. The Biden Ukrainian thing is one big covfefe hamberder, ok??

Trump didn't ask for a favor with a Biden investigation, you probably only heard Schiff's extremely dishonest misrepresentation of Trump's phone call.

Read the transcript, he didn't ask for that favor.
 
Close to 100% of major network journalists donate to the DNC. It's public information that you're ignoring so casually.

Remember 2016 and how fake polls were used to try to decrease Republican voter turnout? It's amazing that this election interference by the media is allowed.

Oh c'mon, the usual right wing argument is that Fox news has the highest ratings! Why are you changing the propaganda?

Remember how Russian fake news on Facebook helped Trump win the Midwest?

 
Trump didn't ask for a favor with a Biden investigation, you probably only heard Schiff's extremely dishonest misrepresentation of Trump's phone call.

Read the transcript, he didn't ask for that favor.

In that case, why did the Trump team try to move it to a protected server?

Trump's server is going to trend well this election

 
In that case, why did the Trump team try to move it to a protected server?

Trump's server is going to trend well this election


Because Trump's previous conversations with state leaders like Australia's and Mexico's were illegally leaked to the media, so Trump's team routinely moved transcripts to a more secure location.

The New York Times reported on this.
 
Oh c'mon, the usual right wing argument is that Fox news has the highest ratings! Why are you changing the propaganda?

Remember how Russian fake news on Facebook helped Trump win the Midwest?


Hillary had a billion dollars of cash available and spent, compared to a few hundred bucks spent on ads in some states that were seen by practically nobody, and changed no votes.
 
Because Trump's previous conversations with state leaders like Australia's and Mexico's were illegally leaked to the media, so Trump's team routinely moved transcripts to a more secure location.

The New York Times reported on this.
Nothing to worry about if he didn't do anything wrong and there wasn't classified info in it.

Funny how gwb Obama etc never had to do that and their former advisors made it very clear that team Trump's behavior was very unusual in this regard
 
In that case, why did the Trump team try to move it to a protected server?

Trump's server is going to trend well this election



I agree Biden won’t get into much trouble for his shenanigans in Ukraine but it will cost him his nomination. I also agree private servers will become a much bigger topic moving forward. And Trump won’t be impeached.
 
I agree Biden won’t get into much trouble for his shenanigans in Ukraine but it will cost him his nomination. I also agree private servers will become a much bigger topic moving forward. And Trump won’t be impeached.
He might be impeached. He likely won't be convicted. Because the gop Senate is full of cowards according to Jeff flake


Biden still likely has the best chance for an ec victory by winning back the rustbelt. Dems ignore this at their peril.
 
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Anyone care to opine on a Warren Administration's affect on the economy? The stock market? I assume healthcare stocks will keep tanking until well after Jan 2021.

The stock market will likely be afraid of Warren and valuations will decrease as she assumes front runner status.
 
Anyone care to opine on a Warren Administration's affect on the economy? The stock market? I assume healthcare stocks will keep tanking until well after Jan 2021.

The stock market will likely be afraid of Warren and valuations will decrease as she assumes front runner status.
Market did fine under Obama. And trump. Remember how much futures tanked the night Trump won? Although most of Trump's gains came in year 1 which you could argue was thanks to Obama.

The deficit is rocketing thanks to the Trump tax cut and GDP growth is decelerating. Not what was supposed to happen with the tax cut, but we've all heard that one before.

Honestly I think they'll do best under a centrist like Biden. Trump has created too much business uncertainty with his policy by tweet and back and forth on tariffs.
 
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Market did fine under Obama. And trump. Remember how much futures tanked the night Trump won?

Honestly I think they'll do best under a centrist like Biden. Trump has created too much business uncertainty with his policy by tweet and back and forth on tariffs.

These days make me miss 2010. Obama’s ACA pretty much did it for me. Never really liked him or his band of beam counting goons who came up with the thing. Plus the guy wanted single payer tried to back door it with a public option.

People talk about how he emphasized transparency in his administration. Sure compared to this president probably but that was never really enough for me to like him as a president. Plus a lot of the provisions of the ACA were to take effect late into a second term or for the next president to deal with and take the heat for.

We faced the worst recession in decades and the bottom dropped out quickly and no matter who was in the White House Nobody wanted to be the next Herbert Hoover. The regulations in banking kicked in and stimulus talk and QE we’re on the table. Even McCain would have seen the wisdom of that despite his party being all about the “free market”. Palin was a stupid VP pick.

Anyway fast forward 10 years and honestly the world has gotten scarier and the politicians even more so.
 
Anyway fast forward 10 years and honestly the world has gotten scarier and the politicians even more so.

Not sure how the right can still support the authoritarian pathological liar in the wh.

I mean just look at the sh*tshow he caused on Fri in Chinese stocks on the US exchanges and then the cleanup job from the treasury afterwards.



If that authoritarian statist crap came from a leftist like Bernie or Warren, the right would be having a CVA about it on Fox. But it's just business as normal from Trump inc and his merry band of MAGA koolaid drinkers now.

Personally, I'd be less worried about my portfolio's Chinese exposure under Warren than Trump
 
Let's take a look at Warren's policies. Do you agree with her on these issues?

1. Higher taxes- Let's assume she raises YOUR taxes by 15%. That is a conservative number as the total tax increase may be higher.

2.- Debt- Warren won't be paying down the debt but increasing it by trillions to help fund environmental causes and liberal policies for the poor.

3. Wealth tax- This won't affect any of you but do you support it?

4. Medicare for all- Let's assume she gets this passed by the Congress. Do you support Medicare for all?

5. Immigration- Open borders. Chaos. Zero enforcement of existing laws on the books. Path to legal citizenship for those entering this country illegally. Millions more immigrants draining tax dollars and getting free healthcare.

6. Environment- Massive increases in the cost of carbon based fuels and foods such as beef. These costs will be due to taxes or regulations. Chines, Russians, Indians, etc will cheat on any supposed verbal agreements with Warren. USA will suffer heavily under such an arrangement.
 
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