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Why are white men carrying out more mass shootings?
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These are all good options. Just gotta keep thinking outside the box.
I'm more concerned about a different group, personally
Why are white men carrying out more mass shootings?
After another weekend of mass shootings, Americans are once again debating the problem of gun violence.news.sky.com
Did you even read that article?
What liberal nonsense. Perfect example of a liberal news outlet trying to make headline condemning "evil white men."
Highlights of the story for those who don't want to read it. Two SHOCKING statistics....
Number one - Men commit most mass shootings in America....like pretty much all of them. 110 out of 114
Number two - the evil white men, despite only being 60% of the population account for 58% of all mass shootings!!!!!
Conclusion........
PATRIARCHY
But I guess when you can get people like gator passing around headlines and perpetuating your agenda, you're doin your job.
Selective reading to promote your agenda? But happy to give a free pass to mikkel and his Muslim xenophobia?Did you even read that article?
What liberal nonsense. Perfect example of a liberal news outlet trying to make headline condemning "evil white men."
Highlights of the story for those who don't want to read it. Two SHOCKING statistics....
Number one - Men commit most mass shootings in America....like pretty much all of them. 110 out of 114
Number two - the evil white men, despite only being 60% of the population account for 58% of all mass shootings!!!!!
Conclusion........
PATRIARCHY
But I guess when you can get people like gator passing around headlines and perpetuating your agenda, you're doin your job.
Shocking lol
And what was selective? You quoted a part of the article that states EXACTLY what I posted, just in raw numbers, not percentages.
That's your big 'gotcha'?
Serious?
C'mon keep on deflecting. Unlike mikkei I actually post links to back up what I say. The real gotcha is this:
But yes I'm sure you're probably more worried about Muslims than right wing domestic terrorists, just like mikkei, which of course has no basis in reality.
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Who's deflecting? I asked you what was the selective reading that I did? I posted two statistics from the article you linked. You then proceeded to tell me that I was being 'selective' and you backed up your assertion by posting the exact numbers used to generate the statistics that I posted. Makes no sense.
Like, not to be rude, but you really are a physician? Cause your comprehension skills scare me sometimes.
When you can't refute, ad hominem? The numbers show an increasing problem the last few years among domestic white male right wing terrorists.
Do you actually talk to patients like this?
So mikkel didn't want to tell us Muslims are likely to have higher incomes than the general public. Maybe I should start posting about all the white US citizens on welfare in red states and not talk about the rich ones in ny and silicon valley?
Yet somehow I'm the one with an agenda?
Yet somehow I'm the one with an agenda?
Can't refute what? My goodness man, do I gotta spell it out exactly for you?
Fine...
Me: Hey gator, you post an article that showed the "shocking" facts that 1) pretty much all shootings are done by men, and 2) 58% of shootings are done by white men, which is almost exactly the same percent as their demographic in the US of 60%.
You: HAHA! You selective reader! Caught you! The article said 110 of 114 shootings were done by men and 64 of those 110 were by white men (AKA 58%).
Me: Yes.
Did you actually read the article? It shows there's a problem with men specifically irrespective of race certainly but the racial statistics don't really fit saying its a white male problem.I'm more concerned about a different group, personally
Why are white men carrying out more mass shootings?
After another weekend of mass shootings, Americans are once again debating the problem of gun violence.
Based on the article's 110 mass shootings carried out by men, 58% were committed by white men, 17% by black men, 9% by Latino, and 7% by Asian men.
In the US, white people are 73% of the population (and let's assume equal numbers of men/women for this as I couldn't easily find a breakdown of white men versus white women), AA are 12%, Asians are 5%. Latino has harder to figure out as you can be white and Latino or black and Latino by the overall number I'm seeing is about 17%.
So according to that article, white people and Latinos as a percentage of the population are less likely to commit a mass shooting than Asians or AAs.
This gets us into the problem of how mass shootings are categorized. The headline grabbing mass shootings are more likely to be committed by white males I believe. What gets the other groups in trouble are the ones where 3-4 people are killed/injured - these get your gang shootings, home invasions, basically not politically motivated crimes (for lack of a better term).
Didn't read the rest of the article and I forgot to post it. Clearly you mikkel will just gaze over anything that doesn't fit your agenda.
If you look further in that article, looking at larger shootings that were politically or racially motivated, they are more clear:
Statistically, right wing domestic terrorism is a bigger threat than radical islamic terrorism as of last year and this is not lost on the FBI
Shooting shows challenges for FBI in probing domestic terror
WASHINGTON (AP) — Following two mass shootings over the weekend, President Donald Trump called on federal authorities Monday to do a better job identifying violent extremists in the U.S.
apnews.com
The Trump administration has actually cut government resources to fight white supremacy and domestic terrorism
While President Donald Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement "whatever they need" to fight domestic terrorism, his government has instead cut resources to tackle this issue.
www.businessinsider.com
I'm sorry dude, but if you respond to my post, claiming I'm misstating something, then how about you actually come back and tell me what I STATED that is incorrect? If you can't actually tell me what you disagree with that I POSTED, then why are you even arguing with me?
I mean, I know the answer, and its cause I didn't state anything that wasn't true. But its just a terrible debate tactic to tell someone what they posted was "selective reading" and then to prove your point, you ramble on about things that I didn't claim. Like, I said, I question your comprehension abilities.....or you're just trying to be annoying. Can't decide which...
Ok so you want to keep deflecting. Let me know when you actually want to counter what was posted. Clearly there is domestic right wing terrorism problem and it isn't just getting a free pass from the oval office it seems...
That's all true but not the story your original article was trying (and failing) to make that this is a white male problem.If you look further in that article, looking at larger shootings that were politically or racially motivated, they are more clear:
Statistically, right wing domestic terrorism is a bigger threat than radical islamic terrorism as of last year and this is not lost on the FBI
Shooting shows challenges for FBI in probing domestic terror
WASHINGTON (AP) — Following two mass shootings over the weekend, President Donald Trump called on federal authorities Monday to do a better job identifying violent extremists in the U.S.
The Trump administration has actually cut government resources to fight white supremacy and domestic terrorism
While President Donald Trump pledged to give federal law enforcement "whatever they need" to fight domestic terrorism, his government has instead cut resources to tackle this issue.
It's a male problem and a far-right problem.
Alright, I'm tired of banging my head against the wall trying to explain to you how words and discussion work. Anyone who sees our exchanges can see how you seem to drown in your own streams of consciousness.. Good day sir.
Isn't that what the $2,000 per child tax credit is? 🙂
For those who reside in another bubble and who may not have heard, Lt. Col Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council who was on the call between Trump and Zelenskyy, testified today that he considered Trump’s request that Ukraine investigate his political rivals so damaging to American national security that he reported it to a superior, according to his opening statement obtained by NBC News.
Vindman is of Ukrainian Jewish heritage, was born there, and emigrated with his family to Brooklyn when he was 4 years old. He is a career Army officer, speaks fluent Russian and Ukrainian, and was awarded the Purple Heart after he was wounded in Iraq.
This is what the Trumpists are saying:
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"It seems very clear that he is incredibly concerned about Ukrainian defense,” Duffy, who was recently hired as a CNN contributor, said.
“I don't know that he's concerned about American policy ... We all have an affinity to our homeland, where we came from ... he has an affinity for the Ukraine," he continued.
thehill.com
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“He’s a decorated colonel, by the way, in the Iraq War,” she said. “But because Colonel Vindman emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian, Ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani, though they typically communicated in English.”
“Now, wait a second, John,” Ingraham continued, addressing Yoo. “Here we have a U.S. national security official who is advising Ukraine, while working inside the White House, apparently against the president’s interest, and usually, they spoke in English. Isn’t that kind of an interesting angle on this story?!”
Yoo replied that he found it “astounding” before offering his own bit of astounding speculation.
“You know, some people might call that espionage,” the former Bush administration official suggested."
www.thedailybeast.com
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@FFP this is what I was talking about the other day. You may see the left now as (too) obsessed with the defense of historically marginalized groups, but I would caution you that the Illiberals will offer no special treatment to eastern europeans or slavs who may normally fly under the radar compared to more obvious minorities. If there is a way for Trumpists to make a white, fully assimilated, decorated Army officer who just happens to be of Ukrainian heritage into the trope of the nebulous "other," then I suspect there are many other groups in America who may one day be quoting Niemöller.
Vindman is of Ukrainian Jewish heritage, was born there, and emigrated with his family to Brooklyn when he was 4 years old. He is a career Army officer, speaks fluent Russian and Ukrainian, and was awarded the Purple Heart after he was wounded in Iraq.
This is what the Trumpists are saying:
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"It seems very clear that he is incredibly concerned about Ukrainian defense,” Duffy, who was recently hired as a CNN contributor, said.
“I don't know that he's concerned about American policy ... We all have an affinity to our homeland, where we came from ... he has an affinity for the Ukraine," he continued.
Ex-GOP lawmaker Duffy: White House witness has ‘affinity’ for Ukraine
Former Rep. Sean Duffy (R-Wis.) on Tuesday questioned the patriotism of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and said the decorated Army officer has “an affinity” for Ukraine while Vindman t…
thehill.com
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“He’s a decorated colonel, by the way, in the Iraq War,” she said. “But because Colonel Vindman emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian, Ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani, though they typically communicated in English.”
“Now, wait a second, John,” Ingraham continued, addressing Yoo. “Here we have a U.S. national security official who is advising Ukraine, while working inside the White House, apparently against the president’s interest, and usually, they spoke in English. Isn’t that kind of an interesting angle on this story?!”
Yoo replied that he found it “astounding” before offering his own bit of astounding speculation.
“You know, some people might call that espionage,” the former Bush administration official suggested."
Fox News Panel Speculates That Latest Trump Impeachment Witness Committed Espionage
“Isn’t that kind of an interesting angle on this story?!” Fox host Laura Ingraham asked.
www.thedailybeast.com
@FFP this is what I was talking about the other day. You may see the left now as (too) obsessed with the defense of historically marginalized groups, but I would caution you that the Illiberals will offer no special treatment to eastern europeans or slavs who may normally fly under the radar compared to more obvious minorities. If there is a way for Trumpists to make a white, fully assimilated, decorated Army officer who just happens to be of Ukrainian heritage into the trope of the nebulous "other," then I suspect there are many other groups in America who may one day be quoting Niemöller.
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For those who reside in another bubble and who may not have heard, Lt. Col Alexander Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council who was on the call between Trump and Zelenskyy, testified today that he considered Trump’s request that Ukraine investigate his political rivals so damaging to American national security that he reported it to a superior, according to his opening statement obtained by NBC News.
Vindman is of Ukrainian Jewish heritage, was born there, and emigrated with his family to Brooklyn when he was 4 years old. He is a career Army officer, speaks fluent Russian and Ukrainian, and was awarded the Purple Heart after he was wounded in Iraq.
This is what the Trumpists are saying:
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"It seems very clear that he is incredibly concerned about Ukrainian defense,” Duffy, who was recently hired as a CNN contributor, said.
“I don't know that he's concerned about American policy ... We all have an affinity to our homeland, where we came from ... he has an affinity for the Ukraine," he continued.
------------Ex-GOP lawmaker Duffy: White House witness has ‘affinity’ for Ukraine
Former Rep. Sean Duffy (R-Wis.) on Tuesday questioned the patriotism of Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and said the decorated Army officer has “an affinity” for Ukraine while Vindman t…
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“He’s a decorated colonel, by the way, in the Iraq War,” she said. “But because Colonel Vindman emigrated from Ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in Ukrainian and Russian, Ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with Mr. Giuliani, though they typically communicated in English.”
“Now, wait a second, John,” Ingraham continued, addressing Yoo. “Here we have a U.S. national security official who is advising Ukraine, while working inside the White House, apparently against the president’s interest, and usually, they spoke in English. Isn’t that kind of an interesting angle on this story?!”
Yoo replied that he found it “astounding” before offering his own bit of astounding speculation.
“You know, some people might call that espionage,” the former Bush administration official suggested."
------------Fox News Panel Speculates That Latest Trump Impeachment Witness Committed Espionage
“Isn’t that kind of an interesting angle on this story?!” Fox host Laura Ingraham asked.
@FFP this is what I was talking about the other day. You may see the left now as (too) obsessed with the defense of historically marginalized groups, but I would caution you that the Illiberals will offer no special treatment to eastern europeans or slavs who may normally fly under the radar compared to more obvious minorities. If there is a way for Trumpists to make a white, fully assimilated, decorated Army officer who just happens to be of Ukrainian heritage into the nebulous trope of "the other," then I suspect there are many other groups in America who may one day be quoting Niemöller.
Do you remember what happened in Ft. Hood?
Absolutely disgusting that you'd try to equate Vindman, an officer who was wounded in combat and was decorated, with Hasan. You really should be ashamed.
electropartyogram
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Not equating. Just pointing out that, historically, things happen. Hasan was radicalized yes, but you cannot rule out with absolute certainty that Vindman could flip.
I do agree it is improper to begin to start this campaign against him; they should not draw those assumptions. Equally so, you still must take Vindman's words with caution as well.
Yea, sure thing. 🙄
You mighta thought it sounded like a dogwhistle but it was actually a bullhorn. Surely, you must be cursing to high heaven that Bill Taylor is a natural born American so you can't rely on age-old bigoted tropes about foreign allegiances to smear him.
electropartyogram
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Not quite sure what you mean. I rather stick to the facts. There is evidence that Vindman has been (or had) assisted the Ukranian government regarding the President (not in his favor) over the past months. Regardless of who you are, assisting a foreign government to undermine the president of your home country certainly sounds like espionage at least. We need more evidence from these developments before we can draw conclusions though.
Not sure if you can be more delusional. Assisting in translating because you speak Ukrainian and hoping our ally in the the former Soviet Union is able to defend its borders from Russia is somehow espionage to you? Put down the Koolaid cause you're starting to sound like the WWII-era folks who wanted German Americans and Japanese Americans in internment camps.
Trumpists have only been able to offer two things. Attack the messengers + attack the process. Too bad the GOP hasn't been able to dispute the multiple accounts from the whistleblower, Taylor, Vindman, Hill and Bolton of Trump's quid pro quo extorting for political gain and his unlawful withholding of Congressionally approved funds.
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Don’t worry, as he previously stated he is never snarky, never negative, never inches towards pejoratives, but always is the smartest and most prepared and most importantly, always correct...never, not once has he ever been wrong. A real life grand wizard and oracle.
I'll trust the veteran with a purple heart over the draft dodger who trusts Putin over the FBI
Let's see how many gaslighted coal miners show up to the polls next year....
2016:
www.cnbc.com
Today:
www.cnn.com
Anyone who understood the free market and wasn't a pathological liar knew coal was on its way out as nat gas and even renewables supplant it
2016:
Trump promises a US coal revival, but the world's energy authority begs to differ
The International Energy Agency sees U.S. coal companies cutting capacity in the next five years.
Today:
America's largest private coal miner files for bankruptcy
The slow death of the American coal industry has forced Murray Energy, the largest private coal miner in the United States, to file for bankruptcy protection Tuesday.
Anyone who understood the free market and wasn't a pathological liar knew coal was on its way out as nat gas and even renewables supplant it
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Let's see how many gaslighted coal miners show up to the polls next year....
2016:
Trump promises a US coal revival, but the world's energy authority begs to differ
The International Energy Agency sees U.S. coal companies cutting capacity in the next five years.
Today:
America's largest private coal miner files for bankruptcy
The slow death of the American coal industry has forced Murray Energy, the largest private coal miner in the United States, to file for bankruptcy protection Tuesday.
Anyone who understood the free market and wasn't a pathological liar knew coal was on its way out as nat gas and even renewables supplant it
These rust belt types always fall for the “we will get your jobs back” lie.
Wow.
Just ... wow.
This might just be the most horrible post in a thread with dozens if not a hundred horrible posts. There isn't any reason to believe Lt Col Vindman is anything other than the excellent, loyal officer his record has shown him to be. That you'd even go down this road is pathetic beyond words. You're a disgrace. Go away.
If you can decipher gators comments here and point out one thing that's incorrect or "selective" about my post below, I'll vote against Trump in 2020. Gator says my two points were selective reading or something...show me what's wrong with it and I'll gladly eat crow.
Did you even read that article?
What liberal nonsense. Perfect example of a liberal news outlet trying to make headline condemning "evil white men."
Highlights of the story for those who don't want to read it. Two SHOCKING statistics....
Number one - Men commit most mass shootings in America....like pretty much all of them. 110 out of 114
Number two - the evil white men, despite only being 60% of the population account for 58% of all mass shootings!!!!!
Conclusion........
PATRIARCHY
But I guess when you can get people like gator passing around headlines and perpetuating your agenda, you're doin your job.
Yup
Trump attacks on Vindman trigger backlash
President Trump’s aggressive attacks on a White House official who testified about his concerns over Trump’s communications with Ukraine in the impeachment inquiry set off a furious bac…
thehill.com
Pretty sure I am trusting the iraq was veteran with a purple heart over the draft dodging Putin lapdog that is happy to throw the FBI/CIA under the bus and praise his Russian mancrush at any opportunity
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Haha. That was actually kinda funny.
Reminds me of the days when Jimmy used to be a comedian instead of an activist
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The real speech is even funnier. I have to say, Trump’s “we killed the top terrorist” speech was WAY better than Obama’s speech.
It was way too long, but at least he focused more on giving credit to the military, while Obama took quite a bit of the credit for Osama #gutsycall.
I also preferred the lack of dignity given to the animal that was murdered this time. Feel like they showed too much respect to Bin Laden.
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I see you like to use the word “focus” lightly.
Don't shoot the messenger...
www.globalresearch.ca
You may not like or appreciate President Trump's communication style, but you must understand that Trump knows a lot of stuff about a lot of people (via military intelligence). People aren't always who you think they are or as they have been advertised.
What state was John McCain from? Ever heard of the "Arizona Mafia"?
Did John McCain Meet with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Alleged Head of the Islamic State (ISIS, ISIL, Daesh)? - Global Research
Note to readers: please click the share buttons above Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the alleged leader of ISIS is dead. President Trump confirmed that he was under surveillance and that he had ordered his execution. “He died like a dog, he died like a coward,” The President said he watched the...
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You may not like or appreciate President Trump's communication style, but you must understand that Trump knows a lot of stuff about a lot of people (via military intelligence). People aren't always who you think they are or as they have been advertised.
What state was John McCain from? Ever heard of the "Arizona Mafia"?
not a huge fan of democrats plans on healthcare, but getting rly tired of trump's stupid words on tv!
You really expect anyone here to believe rwnj conspiracy trash/fake news sites like that?Don't shoot the messenger...
Did John McCain Meet with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the Alleged Head of the Islamic State (ISIS, ISIL, Daesh)? - Global Research
Note to readers: please click the share buttons above Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the alleged leader of ISIS is dead. President Trump confirmed that he was under surveillance and that he had ordered his execution. “He died like a dog, he died like a coward,” The President said he watched the...
You may not like or appreciate President Trump's communication style, but you must understand that Trump knows a lot of stuff about a lot of people (via military intelligence). People aren't always who you think they are or as they have been advertised.
What state was John McCain from? Ever heard of the "Arizona Mafia"?
Lol
Global Research - Bias and Credibility
CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE Sources in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category may publish unverifiable information that is not always supported by evidence.
mediabiasfactcheck.com
Why Google Has a Responsibility to Fight Fake News | The Walrus
Google gives a platform to sites that deal in outright lies and innuendo—and that’s a problem
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He doesn’t dispute facts, just bashes sources and Trump. Just his MO.
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Human trafficking is the 2nd most profitable illegal activity. Human trafficking is big business. Right here in America, too. Current day (sex) slavery of women, men, and children. Children. It's more common than you'd think, and it's disgusting. Politicians set up these foundations all the time, and the money pours in for these causes. Good people in good faith make donations. It's just odd that the money never gets to where it is supposed to go or solve any of the problems that they are supposed to solve. Kind of like the Clintons raising money for earthquake victims in Haiti. What fraudsters! They lie and take advantage of the misfortunes of the most needy and vulnerable amongst us in order to line their own pockets. They don't care about the used and abused children or the totally impoverished Haitians. They are just the 'cause du jour' to capitalize on!
This is how the politicians collect money from foreign governments to buy influence. $1 million from Saudi!
I have great respect for those who serve in our military. They and their families make great sacrifices and defend our freedoms. They are the best of the best. BUT...fallen angels do exist...Lucifer, Walter White, and John McCain. So, when Trump speaks poorly of him, it is with good reason. Just because you (or I) don't know everything there is to know about McCain's activities, doesn't mean there isn't ample proof for Trump. Just the fact that McCain was the leaker of the Steele Dossier to Buzzfeed shows he was aligned with some nefarious people. Why would McCain actively participate in this (failed) coup attempt if he didn't have something to lose by Trump being President? What skeletons are in his closet? Use logic. After all, he was in Congress from 1983 until 2018---35 years!
You guys are so pathetic. John McCain was a decorated pow and certainly wouldn't be making America Last the way Trump is right now.
I guess it is much easier to keep believing fake news and right wing conspiracy theories. Less brain power required to listen to the Putin-loving draft-dodging treasonous gaslighter-in-chief. That MAGA kool-aid must taste great.
Does This Photograph Show John McCain Meeting Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?
A photograph taken in Syria in 2013 shows Senator John McCain posing with a commander of a Syrian opposition group, not ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
www.snopes.com
McCain rips claim he posed for photo with ISIS fighters
Sen. John McCain is calling a group's claim that he posed for a photo with ISIS militants a fabrication and a smear.
www.azcentral.com
You two should go out and get matching shirts for the next maga rally:
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When you stop giving a free pass to the increasing right wing domestic terrorism happening on Trump's watch. Which you won't. SAD!
I guess I'll have to find something from a conspiracy theory/fake news website for you to believe it
Hmmmm, that's funny, because I don't think I've minimized domestic terrorism at all. In fact, I don't believe its a topic I've even discussed. But I guess that's why you're railing on it. If it was something I'd actually addressed, you'd need to find a different point to argue that had nothing to do with me.
Perhaps you'd like to quote any post that I've made regarding "right wing domestic terrorism"? Just a thought, ya know, since I've been downplaying and giving it a free pass with everything I've been saying....
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