WSJ: UnitedHealthcare CEO Fatally Shot

[drusso]

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"Brian Thompson was shot in the chest and leg shortly before UnitedHealthcare, a Minnesota-based insurance company, was set to hold its annual investors meeting. The company ended the meeting early."

https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/unitedhealth-ceo-brian-thomspon-shot-killed-c0358c5e?st=3Emwd8&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

[SSdoc33]

crazy story.

there is no role for violence of this sort.

but these CEOS make 20, 30, 40 million a year by denying legitimate medical care. there is no other way to slice it. this is how they make their money. it is easy to see how a disgruntled insured patient or family member would resort to this. if they find the guy, id like to hear his story before he gets put away for the rest of his life. batsh$t crazy or wife couldnt get he care she needed and died?

 

[Gauss]

counterpoint:

 

[Gauss]

crazy story.

there is no role for violence of this sort.

but these CEOS make 20, 30, 40 million a year by denying legitimate medical care. there is no other way to slice it. this is how they make their money. it is easy to see how a disgruntled insured patient or family member would resort to this. if they find the guy, id like to hear his story before he gets put away for the rest of his life. batsh$t crazy or wife couldnt get he care she needed and died?

His commitment to the company was so great that he died quickly with no prolonged hospitalization to maximize shareholder profit

 

[geauxg8rs]

crazy story.

there is no role for violence of this sort.

but these CEOS make 20, 30, 40 million a year by denying legitimate medical care. there is no other way to slice it. this is how they make their money. it is easy to see how a disgruntled insured patient or family member would resort to this. if they find the guy, id like to hear his story before he gets put away for the rest of his life. batsh$t crazy or wife couldnt get he care she needed and died?

Now they will just say the ceos earn their salary with it being a dangerous field.

 

[SSdoc33]

His commitment to the company was so great that he died quickly with no prolonged hospitalization to maximize shareholder profit

too soon?

 

[RoloTomassi]

Wonder how these P2P docs are going to respond when asked their name and NPI now

 

[Gauss]

too soon?

Did he fail first line therapy (dodging)

 

[buddababa]

Wonder how these P2P docs are going to respond when asked their name and NPI now

oooo!

 

[callmeanesthesia]

He was killed by a masked gunman dressed all in black, with a silencer, who then disappeared into the crowd and is still at large. That seems like more than just an aggrieved customer. I’d be checking to see who took big short positions on UHC recently…

 

[SSdoc33]

He was killed by a masked gunman dressed all in black, with a silencer, who then disappeared into the crowd and is still at large. That seems like more than just an aggrieved customer. I’d be checking to see who took big short positions on UHC recently…

if we are talking spy-novel type of stuff, i cant imagine a hitman would take such a high profile case in broad daylight in new york city. how many cameras are on that guy? 100? it would be done more quietly and privately if this was for retribution. whoever did this wanted to make a very loud point.

 

[lobelsteve]

He was killed by a masked gunman dressed all in black, with a silencer, who then disappeared into the crowd and is still at large. That seems like more than just an aggrieved customer. I’d be checking to see who took big short positions on UHC recently…

Doctodd goes missing and now this.....
Could be any one of us. I would get caught. Mitch would make it away.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

He was killed by a masked gunman dressed all in black, with a silencer, who then disappeared into the crowd and is still at large. That seems like more than just an aggrieved customer. I’d be checking to see who took big short positions on UHC recently…

Or what major hospital system is having a contract dispute with United right now.

 

[SSdoc33]

Doctodd goes missing and now this.....
Could be any one of us. I would get caught. Mitch would make it away.

did anybody see mitch this morning? didnt think so....

 

[CleanUp]

Or what major hospital system is having a contract dispute with United right now.

Which one isn’t?

 

[geauxg8rs]

I would start with the “not” for profit hospitals first

 

[Baron S]

“There had been some threats,” Paulette Thompson told NBC News in her first comments since her husband was murdered early Wednesday.

“Basically, I don’t know, a lack of coverage?” she said, referring to her 50-year-old husband’s role as CEO of UnitedHealthcare’s insurance division.

 

[Baron S]

Or what major hospital system is having a contract dispute with United right now.

I'd look at the people whose lives United Health has destroyed through either denial of coverage or financial ruin. Should narrow it down to a few hundred thousand suspects.

 

[drusso]

Or what major hospital system is having a contract dispute with United right now.

We're negotiating them, and they basically flat-lined us despite the most financially successful quarter ever. It feels like "take it or leave it."

 

[lobelsteve]

did anybody see mitch this morning? didnt think so....

Mitch would not have been seen on video at scene.
Mitch would have taken a single shot from a distance.

Profile: very angry spouse or family member of a united customer who died due to denied care. Unlikely to have more than basic firearm training. Left unfired bullets on scene.

 

[JoeLores]

With a silencer. Gun jammed….he took his time unjamming it and shot again.

 

[Gauss]

I'd look at the people whose lives United Health has destroyed through either denial of coverage or financial ruin. Should narrow it down to a few hundred thousand suspects.

No family should have to watch their loved ones get shot to death. They deserve to watch them slowly & humiliatingly die from preventable or treatable illness that drives them bankrupt so a company can pull in $25B in profit.

 

[callmeanesthesia]

Damn, this thread has no mercy.

I’m here for it.

 

[MitchLevi]

If I did something like that, yall would know about it because I'd be so amped up I'd post about it.

Also, the shell casings had words inscribed on them according to ABC News = Deny, Defend, Depose.

If it were me, they would have said - Cervical, RFAs, Always, Cause, Neuritis.

 

[powermd]

Damn, this thread has no mercy.

I’m here for it.

I heard the autopsy is on hold pending prior auth. You need to fail multiple methods of execution before they will approve.

 

[clubdeac]

If I did something like that, yall would know about it because I'd be so amped up I'd post about it.

Also, the shell casings had words inscribed on them according to ABC News = Deny, Defend, Depose.

If it were me, they would have said - Cervical, RFAs, Always, Cause, Neuritis.

I read that. Ok I get the deny and defend. What does the depose mean? Too early to think right now

 

[Ducttape]

What does the depose mean?

maybe its an underling vying to be the next CEO? Game of Thrones kind of thing.

which would be a lot more interesting than a disgruntled patient or family member.....

 

[Agast]

I read that. Ok I get the deny and defend. What does the depose mean? Too early to think right now

He meant Dispose. The killer has a lisp!

 

[Gauss]

I read that. Ok I get the deny and defend. What does the depose mean? Too early to think right now

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[Gauss]

Damn, this thread has no mercy.

I’m here for it.

My Empathy Is Out of Network​

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I read that. Ok I get the deny and defend. What does the depose mean? Too early to think right now

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[Agast]

Look how happy he is

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting latest: New photos of suspect's face released

Police searching for the suspected killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson are investigating whether the alleged shooter prepositioned an e-bike close to the scene.

abcnews.go.com

 

[JoeLores]

His new Bob Dylan movie won’t do well

 

[NJPAIN]

Absolutely tragic that he was gunned down like this. However, not at all surprising. I have to put much of the blame on our government that perhaps has the power to act on the behalf of citizens in need and fails to do so. The absolute ridiculousness of:
- prior authorization is not a guarantee of payment
- denying live saving meds and procedures
- illogical coverage policies
…. The list goes on and on.

What other industry gets to make their own rules???

This doesn’t justify murder. However, if you or a loved one cannot get the care you/they need, is it surprising if you resort to this??

 

[paindoc007]

Yuck. It’s easy to apply this type of logic to us too. Next time a pain doctor gets murdered in cold blood. Maybe the FP forums people yuck is up over that too, and laugh over our exorbitant incomes, propensity to push dangerous and painful procedures for our financial gain, refusal to take on medications and dump that on pcp, etc. And then the last tag like goes “well is it all surprising someone resorts to this??” Hmm… Karma is a b!tch

 

[NJPAIN]

Yuck. It’s easy to apply this type of logic to us too. Next time a pain doctor gets murdered in cold blood. Maybe the FP forums people yuck is up over that too, and laugh over our exorbitant incomes, propensity to push dangerous and painful procedures for our financial gain, refusal to take on medications and dump that on pcp, etc. And then the last tag like goes “well is it all surprising someone resorts to this??” Hmm… Karma is a b!tch

Good point. However, I think that the two situations are quite different although a life is a life.

 

[SSdoc33]

they are gonna catch this guy today or tomorrow

 

[Agast]

Yuck. It’s easy to apply this type of logic to us too. Next time a pain doctor gets murdered in cold blood. Maybe the FP forums people yuck is up over that too, and laugh over our exorbitant incomes, propensity to push dangerous and painful procedures for our financial gain, refusal to take on medications and dump that on pcp, etc. And then the last tag like goes “well is it all surprising someone resorts to this??” Hmm… Karma is a b!tch

We get paid to deliver care. Insurance gets paid to withhold care. Hardly the same. There is no reward or incentive to deliver less care to patients who need you.

 

[Agast]

Also, am I missing something or do these seem to be two different people. The jacket is completely different. Do they have footage of him changing jackets??

 

[JoeLores]

Might be a woman

 

[RoloTomassi]

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Also, am I missing something or do these seem to be two different people. The jacket is completely different. Do they have footage of him changing jackets??

The right is at a hostel he was staying at so I'm assuming different day, different outfit

 

[SSdoc33]

"person of interest" could mean anything. they do look like different people

 

[hyperalgesia]

This thread is a case in point for the only purpose of insurance companies - they take the blame for population healthcare rationing.

The more you hate these guys, the more politicians shake their heads and say, "yep, we don't want to do that."

 

[hyperalgesia]

Would you guys take his job for 10 mil+ per year and try to "fix" the company?

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Yuck. It’s easy to apply this type of logic to us too. Next time a pain doctor gets murdered in cold blood. Maybe the FP forums people yuck is up over that too, and laugh over our exorbitant incomes, propensity to push dangerous and painful procedures for our financial gain, refusal to take on medications and dump that on pcp, etc. And then the last tag like goes “well is it all surprising someone resorts to this??” Hmm… Karma is a b!tch

None of us get paid more for denying pain medicines. If every time you refused to refill a patient's Norco you made $2000, that would be closer to the mark.

 

[Gauss]

Absolutely tragic that he was gunned down like this. However, not at all surprising. I have to put much of the blame on our government that perhaps has the power to act on the behalf of citizens in need and fails to do so. The absolute ridiculousness of:
- prior authorization is not a guarantee of payment
- denying live saving meds and procedures
- illogical coverage policies
…. The list goes on and on.

What other industry gets to make their own rules???

This doesn’t justify murder. However, if you or a loved one cannot get the care you/they need, is it surprising if you resort to this??

counterpoint - it quickly and effectively changed insurance policy without years of litigation and wasting physicians' (our) time:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits

 

[cowboydoc]

The disgruntled are numerous.

Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO

 

[hyperalgesia]

We get paid to deliver care. Insurance gets paid to withhold care. Hardly the same. There is no reward or incentive to deliver less care to patients who need you.

We also get paid to deliver unnecessary and dangerous care.

 

[drusso]

The disgruntled are numerous.

Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO

Mark my words: The assassination of Brian Thompson marks a turn in the health care reform social movement. This moment is akin to the murder of JFK, MLK, Lennon, etc. There will be a "before" and an "after" in terms of health plan executives are called to account for their actions.

 

[JoeLores]

Not sure about UHC, but some insurance companies are requiring auth for Ultram, which costs pennies