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What happened to the rejections tab?
As far as I can tell, George Washington only has one spot for 2016, which is what the google doc originally said, but someone changed the doc to say that there are 4 spots...is this true? Where did you get that information?
Technically there are 2 George Washington programs as per their official name, one with George Washington University proper, and one with Washington Hospital Center.As far as I can tell, George Washington only has one spot for 2016, which is what the google doc originally said, but someone changed the doc to say that there are 4 spots...is this true? Where did you get that information?
It would have to be both as I believe the program just started this past July. So they would need to recruit for both to get the full complement. of residents for every year.Was Carrilion 2015 or 2016 or both?
just a friendly reminder for everyone's who's looking @ google document. If you are signed in to gmail and have your chat open, your name will be shown under the list of people who are currently looking at the doc, not just anonymous animal/thing (top right corner). It shouldn't matter much, but just be aware!
Anyone in Derm who says they aren't paying attending to the Derm interview invite thread or now the Google Docs due to @PatsyStone's great idea, is lying. People want to know if their app has been looked at and if decisions have been made and this is the closest thing to that. That being said, it will definitely rev up people's nerves even higher than they already are.What do you mean, "have your chat open"?
FYI too...In addition to always having sooo many other dermatology applicants at my prelim interviews, I've also heard people talk about this Google document in person about 5 times now. Good to know everyone is neurotic.
Ok I gotta say University of Michigan's rejection email was quite possibly the nicest email ever. I don't even care they rejected me.
I don't get this whole "try to play off the fact that I'm neurotic" mentality. Residency interviews are one of the most important next steps in determining your career. If you are able to not have curiosity over if/when/where these might occur, then more power to you. In addition, if you are capable of this, you have had a very different path to dermatology than me. Neurotic level curiosity about one's chances for interviews is only natural given the abundant sacrifices the typical derm applicant must make. Some people are certainly better at controlling this curiosity and not letting it eat them alive, but to deny it and talk about it as if it is a bad thing is short-sighted in my opinion.What do you mean, "have your chat open"?
FYI too...In addition to always having sooo many other dermatology applicants at my prelim interviews, I've also heard people talk about this Google document in person about 5 times now. Good to know everyone is neurotic.
Was it really that nicely worded?So true! Same here. Is it possible to feel good being rejected? Cuz that's what this felt like
Agree. Neurotic is probably the wrong word choice. I guess it would be better for everyone's mental health though but it's only natural to want to know if you're on track or not. All the more reason to drink.I don't get this whole "try to play off the fact that I'm neurotic" mentality. Residency interviews are one of the most important next steps in determining your career. If you are able to not have curiosity over if/when/where these might occur, then more power to you. In addition, if you are capable of this, you have had a very different path to dermatology than me. Neurotic level curiosity about one's chances for interviews is only natural given the abundant sacrifices the typical derm applicant must make. Some people are certainly better at controlling this curiosity and not letting it eat them alive, but to deny it and talk about it as if it is a bad thing is short-sighted in my opinion.
I don't get this whole "try to play off the fact that I'm neurotic" mentality. Residency interviews are one of the most important next steps in determining your career. If you are able to not have curiosity over if/when/where these might occur, then more power to you. In addition, if you are capable of this, you have had a very different path to dermatology than me. Neurotic level curiosity about one's chances for interviews is only natural given the abundant sacrifices the typical derm applicant must make. Some people are certainly better at controlling this curiosity and not letting it eat them alive, but to deny it and talk about it as if it is a bad thing is short-sighted in my opinion.
I'm not over-analyzing your comment. Plenty of people talk about how neurotic people are who apply to derm. All I meant was that I completely understand neurotic tendencies when it comes to something as important as interviews. Interviews have a direct impact on the rest of your career. It is ok to be neurotic with something this important. Neurotically checking the cell phone or Facebook is an entirely different story. Constantly checking Facebook is, in my opinion, equivalent to wasting your life. Now time for that drink!I think you are over-analyzing a facetious (and frivolous) comment I made about derm interviewees....
Though, I will say I listened to a NPR story recently about everyone's obsession with constantly checking cell phones for emails, Facebook status updates, etc. that likened our human mentality to that of rats in operant conditioning chamber experiments (where they would continue to press a lever, even though they received a reward only 1 out of 5 or 10 times). It does add some neurotic (but apparently universally neurotic) element to it.
Compared to your average medical student, your med student applying to derm has to be more "neurotic" when it comes to checking off certain boxes. It definitely is a test of mental faculties when the rest of your classmates are getting IM, Peds, PM&R, Rads, Anesthesia etc. interviews out the wazoo and you're just sitting waiting and hoping a derm program will find your application interesting enough to select for interview (and if you have tons of people from your school applying for derm, then you have to be even more unique).I'm not over-analyzing your comment. Plenty of people talk about how neurotic people are who apply to derm. All I meant was that I completely understand neurotic tendencies when it comes to something as important as interviews. Interviews have a direct impact on the rest of your career. It is ok to be neurotic with something this important. Neurotically checking the cell phone or Facebook is an entirely different story. Constantly checking Facebook is, in my opinion, equivalent to wasting your life.
Agreed. For those of you out there who may be "pre-derm" and just watching this thread play out, the fear is real. A 260+, AOA at top 25 school, research, strong extracurricular involvement and LoRs has yielded me 2 interviews so far. There's still some time, but I'm not exactly in the confident situation I was hoping for after busting ass for 3 years. I think my class has a large number of derm applicants, so I'm sure that's not helping, but still it's a little disappointing. Not trying to discourage anyone from derm, because I'm confident things will work out. Just make sure you know your competitiveness and what you're up against. Nothing is guaranteed.Compared to your average medical student, your med student applying to derm has to be more "neurotic" when it comes to checking off certain boxes. It definitely is a test of mental faculties when the rest of your classmates are getting IM, Peds, PM&R, Rads, Anesthesia etc. interviews out the wazoo and you're just sitting waiting and hoping a derm program will find your application interesting enough to select for interview (and if you have tons of people from your school applying for derm, then you have to be even more unique).
If you check the GoogleDocs at nearly all times during the day, there is never less than 10-15 people checking and logged in.
Wow, I'm surprised, although you're right, if you have a lot of derm applicants from your school (not surprising as u go to a top 25), 1 program can't interview all your school's applicants. You'll have a better idea after Thanksgiving as interviews tend to go out in spurts. Was your research all in Derm?Agreed. For those of you out there who may be "pre-derm" and just watching this thread play out, the fear is real. A 260+, AOA at top 25 school, research, strong extracurricular involvement and LoRs has yielded me 2 interviews so far. There's still some time, but I'm not exactly in the confident situation I was hoping for after busting ass for 3 years. I think my class has a large number of derm applicants, so I'm sure that's not helping, but still it's a little disappointing. Not trying to discourage anyone from derm, because I'm confident things will work out. Just make sure you know your competitiveness and what you're up against. Nothing is guaranteed.
Agreed. For those of you out there who may be "pre-derm" and just watching this thread play out, the fear is real. A 260+, AOA at top 25 school, research, strong extracurricular involvement and LoRs has yielded me 2 interviews so far. There's still some time, but I'm not exactly in the confident situation I was hoping for after busting ass for 3 years. I think my class has a large number of derm applicants, so I'm sure that's not helping, but still it's a little disappointing. Not trying to discourage anyone from derm, because I'm confident things will work out. Just make sure you know your competitiveness and what you're up against. Nothing is guaranteed.
Mostly derm. Not MD/PhD or taking a year off kind of productivity, but still enough to check the derm research box and show commitment over time.Wow, I'm surprised, although you're right, if you have a lot of derm applicants from your school (not surprising as u go to a top 25), 1 program can't interview all your school's applicants. You'll have a better idea after Thanksgiving as interviews tend to go out in spurts. Was your research all in Derm?
I didn't take the year off. It does feel like at least 1/3 of applicants are doing the year off, but not all research fellowships are equally productive. A productive year off should give you a lot of pubs (projects, book chapters, case reports) and maybe even more importantly some strong connections and LoRs.To add this, at an interview, I was amazed that 1/3 of the applicants had taken a derm research year in med school. Perhaps it is naive to assume that a research year is a golden ticket to a spot
It's becoming much more common now. It's done as a way to set yourself apart - bc everyone has good grades, good board scores, high class rank. If you see prior match lists, even the AOAers are doing a research year. It is no longer the "golden ticket" it probably once was.To add this, at an interview, I was amazed that 1/3 of the applicants had taken a derm research year in med school. Perhaps it is naive to assume that a research year is a golden ticket to a spot
What's the average number of interviews and applicant get anyways? I know the average matched was between eight and nine. Only because eight out of 11 people in the newest how many interviews thread have 6+ and for my own personal being I just want to make sure this is just an SDN skew and not realityIt's becoming much more common now. It's done as a way to set yourself apart - bc everyone has good grades, good board scores, high class rank. If you see prior match lists, even the AOAers are doing a research year. It is no longer the "golden ticket" it probably once was.
What's the average number of interviews and applicant get anyways? I know the average matched was between eight and nine. Only because eight out of 11 people in the newest how many interviews thread have 6+ and for my own personal being I just want to make sure this is just an SDN skew and not reality
If you see here under the section, Advice for Medical Students: http://www.dermatologyprofessors.org/files/APD March 2014 eNewsletter.pdf. "The magic number of interviews that suggests a high likelihood of matching is around 7" -- this was in the Association of Professors Of Dermatology newsletter for March 2014.What's the average number of interviews and applicant get anyways? I know the average matched was between eight and nine. Only because eight out of 11 people in the newest how many interviews thread have 6+ and for my own personal being I just want to make sure this is just an SDN skew and not reality
And this is why it's important to drink during this process.Been away from the Google Doc for a few days. Just curious...
- What did the Duke "waitlist" email say? Did anyone else not receive a Duke "waitlist" email? I assume this means I'm rejected, but then trying to figure out why they didn't just send me a rejection email.
- Has Northwestern given out external invites (or is it internal only?)
Thanks guys... it's also OK to just comment on the Google Doc if you're shy.
my deans office said it has been a terrible year for derm for our students :/is this year abnormally difficult and/or slow? many of the students i've spoken with in person have expressed concern that they are not at the point (interview wise) that they should be, considering they are theoretically half way through the interview granting stages.
wow those are great odds!I don't think most programs give out 10 interviews/spot. Most give around 20-40 interviews (almost irregardless of # of available spots). The larger programs tend to be the higher ranked academic ones, so they don't need to rank as many students to fill their residency spots. I know personally at my home program that they could easily fill all the spots with internal candidates. They have 6 spots but still only interview 30.
There are certainly exceptions to this rule. For instance, I remember talking to applicants from prior years and they all told me UPenn tends to interview many more candidates than other programs because they like having a broad range of background and stories to hear on their interview days.
Perfect recipe for them going unmatched (and the rest of us laughing at their hubris).I don't think programs are giving out more interviews. There is no need to spend more resources if they match year after year without having to go down too far down on their rank list. I know for a fact my program is interviewing less candidates this year because they never go below ~10 on their list.
In all honesty, every year that year's applicants will feel like their year was the hardest year. In reality is it true? Who knows. That being said half of the programs haven't given interviews yet, so a lot can change. Hence why I recommend against having panic attacks everytime some email gets sent by a program, or a phone call made, and wondering why you didn't get it, yada yada. The process is already stressful enough.is this year abnormally difficult and/or slow? many of the students i've spoken with in person have expressed concern that they are not at the point (interview wise) that they should be, considering they are theoretically half way through the interview granting stages.
In all honesty, every year that year's applicants will feel like their year was the hardest year. In reality is it true? Who knows. That being said half of the programs haven't given interviews yet, so a lot can change. Hence why I recommend against having panic attacks everytime some email gets sent by a program, or a phone call made, and wondering why you didn't get it, yada yada. The process is already stressful enough.