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hey everyone! I'm taking the test on 21st may and looking for fellow test takers I just started studying today...
Ismet, any idea on how many experimentals there might be in a section and cite your sources please?This is how I understand it: The curve is pre-set. Basically all they have to do is take out the experimentals and grade the essays. The purpose of the experimental questions is to gauge the difficulty of the questions for use on future tests. The questions we got were a result of previous experimentals.
Ugh. I'm really hoping I'm pleasantly surprised on June 21. If I get my AAMC average (33) I will seriously burst into tears of happiness. That test was a hard one. Mine wasn't orgo-heavy, I actually thought BS was okay. PS killed meeeee
Ismet, any idea on how many experimentals there might be in a section and cite your sources please?
(I really want you to be right)
Ismet, any idea on how many experimentals there might be in a section and cite your sources please?
(I really want you to be right)
Btw, side note. Why does it take these people a month for this? I know they have to come up with a scale and everything, but I feel like with a computerized test that everyone is taking simultaneously, this shouldn't take nearly this long. I know the GRE's scaling is different, but when I took that I got a score immediately after choosing to not void...the only explanation I can think of is that they purposefully go out of their way to make this experience as miserable as possible.
Contrary to what most say, I had far more issues with timing today than I normally do. I saw I had about 3 seconds to read and answer the last VR question and quickly picked a choice, then after time ran out I could see I picked the wrong one.
Same thing on BS...there were about 4 questions to go with 30 seconds left...didn't have a chance to actually answer any of them, so random clicking will have to be lucky. Other than that, the content wasn't too horrible...and I ran out of time on the last ochem, which honestly I suck at anyways. I was too much of a pansy to void...but at this point hoping for miracles.
PS is always my best subject since I actually know that crap compared to BSing everything else (engineer here), but for some reason I wasn't feeling it completely today. Hopefully that went all right.
It's gonna be a long month...
Btw, side note. Why does it take these people a month for this? I know they have to come up with a scale and everything, but I feel like with a computerized test that everyone is taking simultaneously, this shouldn't take nearly this long. I know the GRE's scaling is different, but when I took that I got a score immediately after choosing to not void...the only explanation I can think of is that they purposefully go out of their way to make this experience as miserable as possible.
Hahahaha, after a 5 hour odyssey these are the only passage titles I remember. Feel free to tack on.
As far as I have heard from my MCAT instructor (who has talked with a few of the the higher-ups at the AAMC), they do a good amount of psychometric analysis to counteract test-wide variables. (Because question sequence/order effects cannot be predicted on a question-by-question difficulty basis.) Students with the same 7 questions presented in a different sequence will frequently score significantly differently. (e.g. if the hardest question is at the beginning, it might throw off test-takers timing and confidence more than if it were the last question in the passage).
The test-writers look for deviations in question-by-question performance on the real exam from their pre-set curve and can massage the scores accordingly, post-hoc. It's probably to our advantage that they do all this, especially as the MCAT matters SOOOOOO much more that the GRE. (which is the easiest test in history, for the record, having taken both).
Plus, because MCAT test-takers seem so psychologically fragile and disturbed, AAMC doesn't want any wrongful death lawsuits after Johnny premed overreacts to his score.
Why did you void if you were pimpin' mid 30's? Everywhere but SDN mid 30's is an excellent score...90th percentile.
I was tempted to void, thinking about signing up for the next available MCAT tomorrow morning...
I always read about people who considered voiding but get like 34. Is this just because we lack self-confidence or what?
Could be. Maybe we're all just perfectionists. Or maybe we all did really bad and they just curve really generously so it all turns out okay.
So who else is going to be writing their personal statement in the coming weeks?
I agree with you on this; except about the GRE mattering less than MCAT. They both measure completely different things. And, yes, the GRE would be substantially easier than the MCAT because it's a generalized admissions test for graduate schools. There's not a 'qualifier' before GRE, and that's why some programs, like physics graduate programs, require a Physics GRE. Basically, it's like saying the LSAT is easier than the MCAT--this may or may not be qualitatively true, but they test completely different things, and, in my mind, you cannot compare theme but for the fact they are all standardized tests.
Not trying to start a war, but just my two 0.02. I have also taken the GRE, and I agree that it is easier than the MCAT, but I don't think it's more or less important.
I took it on the 21st and am not super confident with my performance. I felt one question came totally out of left field and I know I 1) did not learn in college and 2) is not a part of the Princeton Review Hyperlearning that I used to study. I did all of the AAMC practice tests except one during the two weeks before the MCAT and my scores hovered around 35, with my two highest being 37 and 39 so I was not nervous taking the test.
I now feel like the AAMC practice tests were not very representative of the content distribution and question difficulty on the exam - the practice tests were easier. Also (and I speak from experience as a high school physics/science teacher and tutor and former college TA), I can remember two questions with very ambiguous (i.e. poorly written) wording and answer choices. However, this is comparable to the practice exams, because half of them had a question that was poorly conceived.
This could be test day jitters, but I do not recall having any "wtf?!" moments when practicing with AAMC's tests, and I definitely had two or three this day.
NOTE: I can not change the posting title, but I realize one can not be "usnure."
Me! Glad to know I'm not the only person that's behind on the schedule.
Me too!
You can add one more to that list...
No motivation post MCAT though... still bummed by my performance.
Does anyone know if there are any differences btwn the online and paper back version of the MSAR?
I agree with you about the poorly worded questions. In fact, there is one question in particular on the PS that I think had two answer choices that were the same. That is, both were right, but just worded differently.
I am 'usnure' if I should write to the AAMC about this because, while I KNOW I saw this question and remembered the choices, I am not sure if I remember the question stem correctly. I don't think I imagined it.
Advice?
How can you be bummed by a performance when you don't know what the performance is?
I strongly considered it, even going so far as to note the question numbers on the test that I thought were unfair, but when I was about to leave the room I asked myself if I honestly wanted to poke the sleeping giant that decides an integral part of my medical school application and decided nope, I don't. I gave my scrap paper to the test administrator and have tried hard to forget the details of those couple questions. If they were concerned about the validity of each and every question the process would be a little more transparent, allowing for you to file a dispute BEFORE you leave the test so you don't have to try your best to remember, possibly misquote the MCAT, and potentially just look like a doof. So while I would admire the effort, I think it might just be best to live with the doubt.
Like I said in the 5/20 thread, I noticed two typos on the 5/20 test. Anybody know what the policy regarding typos is?
Contact the AAMC. I'm from the 4/29 administration and there was one confirmed mistake that was brought to the attention of the AAMC by another member, and is now being scrapped.
As far as I have heard from my MCAT instructor (who has talked with a few of the the higher-ups at the AAMC), they do a good amount of psychometric analysis to counteract test-wide variables. (Because question sequence/order effects cannot be predicted on a question-by-question difficulty basis.) Students with the same 7 questions presented in a different sequence will frequently score significantly differently. (e.g. if the hardest question is at the beginning, it might throw off test-takers timing and confidence more than if it were the last question in the passage).
The test-writers look for deviations in question-by-question performance on the real exam from their pre-set curve and can massage the scores accordingly, post-hoc. It's probably to our advantage that they do all this, especially as the MCAT matters SOOOOOO much more that the GRE. (which is the easiest test in history, for the record, having taken both).
Plus, because MCAT test-takers seem so psychologically fragile and disturbed, AAMC doesn't want any wrongful death lawsuits after Johnny premed overreacts to his score.
Yeah...you basically just described my test experience there. Normally I'm actually pretty good at PS, especially when there are really obscure E&M physics passages (about the only thing I know haha)...but this wasn't that. First 4 easy questions, after that it was more unclear.I was crunching for time, too, Rohit. I don't know where it went. I speculate it was because I spent too much time on a question that, in hindsight, I probably ended up missing. I had no problems with timing on the 7 practice exams that I took.
Also, I wouldn't worry about your guessing on those 4 q's in bio. I had to do this for about half a passage on VR. Ironically, this was the section I prepped the most for (re-taker here).
PS was somewhat blah. After the first passage (which only had 4 questions!), I was veiled with a false sense of security. Oh well, I guess I would rather start out a test with a good feeling--even if it was for only 4 out of the 52 questions.
I agree with you on this; except about the GRE mattering less than MCAT. They both measure completely different things. And, yes, the GRE would be substantially easier than the MCAT because it's a generalized admissions test for graduate schools. There's not a 'qualifier' before GRE, and that's why some programs, like physics graduate programs, require a Physics GRE. Basically, it's like saying the LSAT is easier than the MCAT--this may or may not be qualitatively true, but they test completely different things, and, in my mind, you cannot compare theme but for the fact they are all standardized tests.
Not trying to start a war, but just my two 0.02. I have also taken the GRE, and I agree that it is easier than the MCAT, but I don't think it's more or less important.
Whoa! Seriously?! So how does scoring work if something gets scrapped? Does everyone automatically get a point for that question or is the total now n-1?
I'm kicking myself for not writing down the question numbers. They were typos in the answer choices. One of them was definitely confusing. There's no way I remember enough to contact them now.
I'm not really talking about typos here. I'm talking one question in particular that, if I remember it correctly, had two answer choices that were technically equivalent. I'm pretty sure these two answer choices were the correct answer.
It was along the lines of:
"A direction in which all birds fly during the winter is what?
a.West
b. East
c. South
d. Opposite of North"
Obviously, not the best question and answer, but the answer to the question was represented in two answer choices, just worded differently. Since I can't get into specifics here, this makes it difficult.
I know you're just coming up with an arbitrary example, but when there's two answers that are the same thing, aren't they both usually wrong?
So, for example (nothing MCAT related) if a question asks; "A cat is a..."
a) bird
b) avian
c) mammal
d) amphibian
Even though A and B are the same thing, they're both wrong so the correct choice must be one of the two that aren't saying the same thing.
Just my two pence.
If that's the case, then I don't think they can legitimately penalize you for it. I'm sure they'll catch something like that during the grading process, I hope.It wasn't like this. I knew the answer, and it was essentially more like this:
"1 + 3=
a.) 0 + 3
b.) 2 +2
c.) 4 + 0
d.) 1 + 0
I knew the answer to this particular question, and I realized that C was the same thing as B (which is what I hypothetically chose). I could have conceivably misunderstood the question, but I knew the answer straightaway.
Maybe I'm thinking too much about it. I could have imagined it.
690 hours 24 minutes. I've already checked three times to see if my score are up. I have problems.
I feel like at times there are two correct answers with one more specific than the other. The more specific one wins.
I feel like at times there are two correct answers with one more specific than the other. The more specific one wins.
Screw this. I looked at the MCAT essentials and to challenge a question you need the question number. I guess I could write to them and say, "This question was in PS, in the second passage, somewhere."
I mean, it's kind of ridiculous that they expect the exact number. Sure, I can understand they need to be thorough, but I didn't think to write down the question number. I actually thought about the question after I was out of the test.
Haha I know man, that's what I was referencing before when I was saying they clearly aren't concerned with it. I mean, it's probably the most stressful test any of us will take until the USMLE and they expect you to recall wording and question number while finishing the exam? Absurd. Then you have to challenge via the Pony Express? Lastly, it takes 4-6 weeks for a response and results come out in 4? What are they going to do, send you a sorry card and a cookie? I could only reason that the score delay was for challenges, but now I really wonder if it is just another trick to thin the herd.
This makes sense. But this question had two correct answers that said the same thing.
I might write to them. I'm not sure. Either way, I will have to decide because they have a 5-day limit to send in a challenge (more BS).