Gross Anti-Islam Sentiment During AECOM Interview

This forum made possible through the generous support of SDN members, donors, and sponsors. Thank you.
Status
Not open for further replies.

dcMDiva

Full Member
10+ Year Member
15+ Year Member
Joined
Oct 29, 2007
Messages
36
Reaction score
0
I recently interviewed at AECOM and experienced gross questioning and comments regarding my being Muslim. Please find the letter I sent to administrators at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, in its entirety. I am curious to know if others have had similar experiences during interviews, not just at AECOM.

--------------------------
Dear Dean Spiegel:

I am writing to express my total disgust with the inappropriate
behavior of Dr. [name removed] during my visit to your campus yesterday
for an interview or medical school admission. Never in my life have I
been subjected to such anti-Islamic sentiments in any setting, much
less a professional one. I want to bring his comments to your
attention right away in the hope that it does not reflect the
prevailing attitude of Albert Einstein College of Medicine towards
Muslim applicants and students, and that steps be taken to ensure that
it does not happen again.

My incredulity at the experience was heightened by the sad realization
that Dr. [name removed] is a leader on the front of diversity at Albert
Einstein, as the Associate Dean of the Office of Diversity
Enhancement. After sitting through more than thirty-minutes of
offensive and biting commentary on Islam according to Dr. [name removed], I
left AECOM with the sense that religious diversity is not encompassed
in the school's vision of greater diversity. I shall describe below
a few choice moments from our encounter.

We initially spoke casually about my junior year abroad in Cairo,
Egypt. After a few minutes of highlighting special aspects of my
experience, Dr. [name removed] interjected, "Did you become radicalized while
you were there?" The question understandably caught me off-guard, and
I responded glibly. I figured this was a poor display of off-color
humor. Inappropriate, I thought, but overlookable-if he had halted
there; however, he continued on.

I was regaled with Dr. [name removed]'s views on Ramadan. I found particularly
curious his assertion that "you Muslims are a bunch of hypocrites"
because we eat a break fast at sundown and a light morning meal before
sunrise. The allowance of two meals while the sun is down apparently
did not sit well with him. He offered, "That's easy! I do that
sometimes myself. I drink coffee in the morning and nothing else until
three or four in the afternoon." His simplistic view on the most
blessed month in the Islamic year would have been easily overlooked
had he not gone that crucial step of mocking and disparaging the
significance of the month-long fast.

The inappropriate and unproductive line of questioning continued. He
asked me no less than three times: "What do you do wrong?" Initially,
I refused to believe that he sought an answer from my perspective as a
practicing Muslim. I spoke of personal traits that I had identified
as weaknesses and that I had sought to improve upon as I embark on the
journey towards becoming a physician. This answer did not satisfy his
now-apparent urge to find discrediting or disparaging intelligence
about my personal practice of Islam, in order to fuel his ignorance
and animosity towards Muslims. As such, he repeated the question until
he was satisfied-or until it became clear that he would not receive
any additional personal information.

One final comment I would like to draw to your attention related to my
brothers' level of religious observance. After inquiring about their
fields of work, Dr. [name removed] asked if they were "regular guys" or
practicing Muslims--presenting the options as if they are
diametrically opposed. If there was any doubt as to his perspective
on Islam, this comment cleared the smoke.

I could expound ad infinitum the myriad reasons why Dr. [name removed]'
behavior was so reprehensible. I will be brief and touch on the most
glaring considerations. First, Dr. [name removed] abused the interview's
inherently unequal power dynamic. The majority of applicants would
withstand stressful and bizarre interview conditions if it meant a
shot at medical school. Dr. [name removed] no doubt understands this and
unfairly took advantage of his position of power to snidely attack
various aspects of my chosen way of life. I fully appreciate that
the field of medicine exposes physicians to a wide variety of
difficult patients who have no qualms about expressing their views, no
matter how incendiary they are. Moreover, I appreciate that some
interviewers find it useful to pelt controversial or uncomfortable
questions at their interviewees to glean applicants' level of maturity
and poise. If this was indeed Dr. [name removed]' intent, then I still reject
the manner in which he carried out this goal. I was forced to maintain
my composure through unnecessary insensitivity and overt ignorance.

As we spoke, Dr. [name removed]' title of 'Associate Dean of the Office of
Diversity Enhancement' continuously swirled through my mind. The irony
would not have been lost on even the most obtuse. If this is the type
of welcome I may expect to receive if I were to matriculate at Albert
Einstein College of Medicine, I would promptly decline such an
experience. Candidly, I was hesitant to seriously consider AECOM due
to my double minority status—both Muslim and African-American. I was
concerned about how international political and historical divides
might color my experience on both interview day and upon
matriculation. However, as an individual resolved to remain optimistic
as long as reality will allow, I decided to move ahead with the
application process. I am sorry to say that my initial instinct was
vindicated, albeit by an unfortunate and surprising source.

In the second millennium, public tolerance of racial bigotry appears
to be at an all time low. As an African-American, I can personally
vouch for that statement. As a Muslim, I can say just as certainly
that public outrage on religious bigotry, especially as far as Islam
is concerned, continues to lag. It is absolutely essential that
institutions of learning take strong positions of leadership on issues
of intolerance and injustice. After all, is not an education supposed
to make one more enlightened and thoughtfully critical? Unfortunately,
Dr. [name removed] displayed the opposite attributes through his vulgar
comments and questions.

I am quite open to discussing my religious observance. I have had
much experience answering the questions of strangers, which is why I
think I was able to maintain my composure. However, the difference
between thoughtfully articulated questions and the boldly crass manner
in which Dr. [name removed] voiced his ill-gotten views was limitless.

Before Dr. [name removed] or another individual at AECOM does such a profound
disservice to the stellar reputation of your medical school, I would
strongly recommend that AECOM invite local Muslim leaders to the
medical campus to discuss Islam with not just students, but faculty,
staff, and administrators. I am doubtful that Dr. [name removed] presents an
isolated case of religious bigotry. As such, the culture of silent
complicity must be broken. Please let me know if you need suggestions
of appropriate Muslim presenters in the New York City-area.
 
Wow, sounds like you had a rough experience. Hopefully they will take your letter into consideration. In the future, you can also consider requesting another interview on the same day if you feel that one of your interviewers was way out of line.
 
My hope is that they reprimand Dr. [interviewer's name removed] and take measures to ensure interviewers know where questioning becomes inappropriate/offensive. I have little interest in attending AECOM at this point.
 
I'm really proud of you for standing up for yourself...it takes guts and you were crystal clear. Hopefully, they will take your message seriously and give you a thoughtful response...
 
That was a pretty nicely written letter, IMO. How long did it take you to compose? I normally don't read such long posts but wow. The ending suggestion sounded a little preachy, however. It should be up to them how to respond to your accusations.

That being said, don't let this incident bother you for too long though. Racism occurs everywhere and while it's fine to be upset about it, it's not worth your energy to let it distract you from other things.

Hopefully this was an isolated incident and one that few applicants will find familiar.
 
I certainly won't. I did my part by promptly writing a letter of complaint. Now the ball is in their court...
 
Salam,

Sorry for your bad experience. I have a good friend who is an Indian Muslim who got accepted to AECOM last year. I'm remember he told me they even discussed the time he lived in Saudi Arabia during the interview, so I'm guessing this [interviewer's name removed] character is just an exception. It's probably good for AECOM that you are letting them know about this.
 
Yeah. No inane catfights. I'm not about to start responding to purposefully ignorant comments in here.
 
This was such a powerful letter man....i think the best thing to do is to ride it out....once you get accepted some where you should go public (fully public) like contact CAIR and ISNA just so the issue can be raised. I know of some friends that have been subjected to religious bigotry (and some are not muslim) at interviews. This is a very serious topic that needs to be raised in the admissions processs.
 
Salam,

Sorry for your bad experience. I have a good friend who is an Indian Muslim who got accepted to AECOM last year. I'm remember he told me they even discussed the time he lived in Saudi Arabia during the interview, so I'm guessing this [interviewer's name removed] character is just an exception. It's probably good for AECOM that you are letting them know about this.
It seriously is strange though, isn't it? I mean Dr. [interviewer's name removed]'s title. How do you even accept a position like that knowing what you believe?

It's one of those moments in life when you realize that some people will do things that they are hardly qualified to do and that their egos are too large for them to realize it.
 
OH MY GOODNESS!! I am not Muslim, but I had a VERY bad interview with him as well! It ended with me crying on my way out wondering what just happened... and it was my 5th interview, so it wasn't like I was nervous for this one or something. I will PM you.
 
Thanks.

Alhamdullilah, I am already into med school! My Dad and I are thinking of the best avenues to publicize what occured. I'm certain this has happened before at other schools but folks have shyed away from going public due to fear of rejection. Thankfully, I'm out of those woods. We're ready to get this out there...
 
This was such a powerful letter man....i think the best thing to do is to ride it out....once you get accepted some where you should go public (fully public) like contact CAIR and ISNA just so the issue can be raised. I know of some friends that have been subjected to religious bigotry (and some are not muslim) at interviews. This is a very serious topic that needs to be raised in the admissions processs.



I think she's already had at least one acceptance, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Please do, LovelyMD! This guy needs to be reeled IN.
 
The way this letter was so well-written makes me shiver. I hope they heed your call.
 
Very well composed letter. You must've written a good personal statement.
 
Great letter. Sorry you had to deal with that - let's hope the Dean responds appropriately, and throws in an acceptance + full scholarship
 
Very well-written and I like it a lot. My only problem is the last paragraph. I think it's too bold to advise them to bring in Muslim spokespeople, especially if it is an isolated incident that we should assume does not reflect the entire AECOM community. Good luck!
 
Seriously, on my busride home from NY last night, my blood was boiling. It was all I could do to get all my thoughts out on paper because they were coming at me so quickly. I got home after midnight and banged this out. I wanted to email it this morning. I'm anxiously awaiting a response from them. Will keep you guys posted.

And for the record, they can keep their waitlist.
 
Thanks.

Alhamdullilah, I am already into med school! My Dad and I are thinking of the best avenues to publicize what occured. I'm certain this has happened before at other schools but folks have shyed away from going public due to fear of rejection. Thankfully, I'm out of those woods. We're ready to get this out there...


your letter is eloquent and right on the money. beautifully done. i am stunned and plan to withdraw my application from AECOM. and i'm a wasp/jew.

i agree that you should pursue that in a public forum. this should not end here.

i am so sorry that you had to be subjected to that kind of blind hatred. i'm shaking thinking about it. with rage and emotion.
 
that is absolutely outrageous. kudos to you for even being able to sit there while maintaining your composure. i really hope it works out for you.
 
While it's understandable that something like this made you upset, you should probably have given them a chance to make amends before you aired their dirty laundry over a public message board. I highly doubt that the entire school is prejudice against Muslims, and your case would have probably been heard with sympathy by the school if kept private, since it's really no business of anyone else anyway. I would only expect that, while they will probably still be conciliatory, they will now be less likely to be willing to work with you. Perhaps you don't care, but it's probably just one guy, not the whole school, and you'd probably never see him again at the school if accepted. You want to throw your career away for one guys dumb comments?

Generally, going public with something like this is the LAST thing you do after you don't get anywhere with established channels.
 
your letter is eloquent and right on the money. beautifully done. i am stunned and plan to withdraw my application from AECOM. and i'm a wasp/jew.

i agree that you should pursue that in a public forum. this should not end here.

i am so sorry that you had to be subjected to that kind of blind hatred. i'm shaking thinking about it. with rage and emotion.

Withdrawing your application based on a one-sided story posted on an anonymous message board is ridiculous. (Note: I'm not necessarily doubting the poster's version of events.)
 
mA. that was so well-written and i applaud you for standing up against bigotry of all sorts. discrimination at any level towards anyone has no room in medicine let alone any other profession. i wish you the very best and am confidant that an individual like yourself will find a school that is truly welcoming to diversity. any school would be lucky to number you amongst their students. 🙂
 
Amazing writing - disgusting that you had to compose it.
 
i applaud you for standing up for your beliefs. don't sacrifice your dignity for med school.
 
While it's understandable that something like this made you upset, you should probably have given them a chance to make amends before you aired their dirty laundry over a public message board. I highly doubt that the entire school is prejudice against Muslims, and your case would have probably been heard with sympathy by the school if kept private, since it's really no business of anyone else anyway. I would only expect that, while they will probably still be conciliatory, they will now be less likely to be willing to work with you. Perhaps you don't care, but it's probably just one guy, not the whole school, and you'd probably never see him again at the school if accepted. You want to throw your career away for one guys dumb comments?

Generally, going public with something like this is the LAST thing you do after you don't get anywhere with established channels.

Normally I'd have to agree with this. I think posting these grievances publicly was reactive and reflects the level of anger of the OP; however, the fact that he directs AECOM's diversity program makes this case exceptional in my opinion and maybe just about justifies the public post.
 

As bad as this is going to sound, I'm glad he did this to you and not somebody with less capacity to write so well. Your letter was very, very well written, and will hopefully bring quite a bad mark on this guy's record. Hopefully, they'll follow up with another interview via phone so you don't have to go out there again. After this, I wouldn't even want to consider going to this school mostly because of how uneasy I would feel about the potential racial tensions.

I'm appalled at how blatantly offensive he was. No subtlety in his vitriolic hate for Muslims.
 
KThanks, I appreciate your sentiment. I do. And I thought of waiting for their response before posting on here. However, I found it important to put this incident out there to allow others to comment and to exchange experiences. Institutions need to be held in check by a well-informed public. If we work behind closed doors, the public misses out on crucial details that it deserves to know. My sense is that religious bigotry is a far-reaching problem--greater than being Muslim, greater than AECOM. As such, I wanted to give others a chance to share stories and to be fully informed.
 
I agree with others: your letter was well written. I do think it could've done with less thesaurus and more bulleted quotations from your interviewer. The quotations on their own would be damning enough without additional diatribe.

I also think reposting the letter here, before allowing them to contact you, is in poor form. It does seem odd that someone with these views would even want the position of dean of diversity. Sorry you had to endure that, but there was probably a way to spread your message without outing yourself (to AECOM) and your interviewer (to the SDN community).
 
I'm wondering if it was simply a stress interview, given the guy's past record of upsetting interviews.
I don't think derogatory sentiments/statements about someone's religion/race/sexual orientation/gender/nationality make for a good "stress interview."
 
I'm wondering if it was simply a stress interview, given the guy's past record of upsetting interviews.

I'm not going to go into detail, but I don't think the manner in which he acted is restricted just to interviews. (But whether or not he actually has a bias against Muslim people is a different question entirely).
 
Yeah i don't really have an original opinion about what happened, but I would like to also cast a nay vote on the writing.

From my layman's perspective it seems like you were trying to push the most impressive words you could find, rather than the most apt. One sentence in particular: "I could expound ad infinitum the myriad reasons why Dr. [interviewer's name removed]'s
behavior was so reprehensible." made me cringe. I have beef with the word "myriad" to be honest. It was a great word, but it has been whored out by so many High School students looking for a synonym for "lots" or "many" that I can't stand it anymore.

Also see: plethora.
 
Are you suggesting that the discriminatory and inappropriate remarks should be excused because it was a "stress" interview?
I didn't realize I said all of that. I'm pretty good at sending out unsaid information.

What I'm saying is that the guy may have overreacted. I wasn't there, so I don't know, but it sounds like the guy may be a little oversensitive about some of the comments that were made. The "hypocrites" comment was out of line, but everything else sounds rather tame to me. Again, I wasn't there though.

My perspective here though is that your patients won't always be respectful of your race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. How you react to people insulting you in the most personal ways may be interesting to an interviewer who's looking to push your buttons.

Just one guy's opinion, though.
 
I recently interviewed at AECOM and experienced gross questioning and comments regarding my being Muslim. Please find the letter I sent to administrators at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, in its entirety. I am curious to know if others have had similar experiences during interviews, not just at AECOM.

--------------------------
Dear Dean Spiegel:

I am writing to express my total disgust with the inappropriate
behavior of Dr. [name removed] during my visit to your campus yesterday
for an interview or medical school admission. Never in my life have I
been subjected to such anti-Islamic sentiments in any setting, much
less a professional one. I want to bring his comments to your
attention right away in the hope that it does not reflect the
prevailing attitude of Albert Einstein College of Medicine towards
Muslim applicants and students, and that steps be taken to ensure that
it does not happen again.

My incredulity at the experience was heightened by the sad realization
that Dr. [name removed] is a leader on the front of diversity at Albert
Einstein, as the Associate Dean of the Office of Diversity
Enhancement. After sitting through more than thirty-minutes of
offensive and biting commentary on Islam according to Dr. [name removed], I
left AECOM with the sense that religious diversity is not encompassed
in the school's vision of greater diversity. I shall describe below
a few choice moments from our encounter.

We initially spoke casually about my junior year abroad in Cairo,
Egypt. After a few minutes of highlighting special aspects of my
experience, Dr. [name removed] interjected, "Did you become radicalized while
you were there?" The question understandably caught me off-guard, and
I responded glibly. I figured this was a poor display of off-color
humor. Inappropriate, I thought, but overlookable-if he had halted
there; however, he continued on.

I was regaled with Dr. [name removed]'s views on Ramadan. I found particularly
curious his assertion that "you Muslims are a bunch of hypocrites"
because we eat a break fast at sundown and a light morning meal before
sunrise. The allowance of two meals while the sun is down apparently
did not sit well with him. He offered, "That's easy! I do that
sometimes myself. I drink coffee in the morning and nothing else until
three or four in the afternoon." His simplistic view on the most
blessed month in the Islamic year would have been easily overlooked
had he not gone that crucial step of mocking and disparaging the
significance of the month-long fast.

The inappropriate and unproductive line of questioning continued. He
asked me no less than three times: "What do you do wrong?" Initially,
I refused to believe that he sought an answer from my perspective as a
practicing Muslim. I spoke of personal traits that I had identified
as weaknesses and that I had sought to improve upon as I embark on the
journey towards becoming a physician. This answer did not satisfy his
now-apparent urge to find discrediting or disparaging intelligence
about my personal practice of Islam, in order to fuel his ignorance
and animosity towards Muslims. As such, he repeated the question until
he was satisfied-or until it became clear that he would not receive
any additional personal information.

One final comment I would like to draw to your attention related to my
brothers' level of religious observance. After inquiring about their
fields of work, Dr. [name removed] asked if they were "regular guys" or
practicing Muslims--presenting the options as if they are
diametrically opposed. If there was any doubt as to his perspective
on Islam, this comment cleared the smoke.

I could expound ad infinitum the myriad reasons why Dr. [name removed]'
behavior was so reprehensible. I will be brief and touch on the most
glaring considerations. First, Dr. [name removed] abused the interview's
inherently unequal power dynamic. The majority of applicants would
withstand stressful and bizarre interview conditions if it meant a
shot at medical school. Dr. [name removed] no doubt understands this and
unfairly took advantage of his position of power to snidely attack
various aspects of my chosen way of life. I fully appreciate that
the field of medicine exposes physicians to a wide variety of
difficult patients who have no qualms about expressing their views, no
matter how incendiary they are. Moreover, I appreciate that some
interviewers find it useful to pelt controversial or uncomfortable
questions at their interviewees to glean applicants' level of maturity
and poise. If this was indeed Dr. [name removed]' intent, then I still reject
the manner in which he carried out this goal. I was forced to maintain
my composure through unnecessary insensitivity and overt ignorance.

As we spoke, Dr. [name removed]' title of 'Associate Dean of the Office of
Diversity Enhancement' continuously swirled through my mind. The irony
would not have been lost on even the most obtuse. If this is the type
of welcome I may expect to receive if I were to matriculate at Albert
Einstein College of Medicine, I would promptly decline such an
experience. Candidly, I was hesitant to seriously consider AECOM due
to my double minority status—both Muslim and African-American. I was
concerned about how international political and historical divides
might color my experience on both interview day and upon
matriculation. However, as an individual resolved to remain optimistic
as long as reality will allow, I decided to move ahead with the
application process. I am sorry to say that my initial instinct was
vindicated, albeit by an unfortunate and surprising source.

In the second millennium, public tolerance of racial bigotry appears
to be at an all time low. As an African-American, I can personally
vouch for that statement. As a Muslim, I can say just as certainly
that public outrage on religious bigotry, especially as far as Islam
is concerned, continues to lag. It is absolutely essential that
institutions of learning take strong positions of leadership on issues
of intolerance and injustice. After all, is not an education supposed
to make one more enlightened and thoughtfully critical? Unfortunately,
Dr. [name removed] displayed the opposite attributes through his vulgar
comments and questions.

I am quite open to discussing my religious observance. I have had
much experience answering the questions of strangers, which is why I
think I was able to maintain my composure. However, the difference
between thoughtfully articulated questions and the boldly crass manner
in which Dr. [name removed] voiced his ill-gotten views was limitless.

Before Dr. [name removed] or another individual at AECOM does such a profound
disservice to the stellar reputation of your medical school, I would
strongly recommend that AECOM invite local Muslim leaders to the
medical campus to discuss Islam with not just students, but faculty,
staff, and administrators. I am doubtful that Dr. [name removed] presents an
isolated case of religious bigotry. As such, the culture of silent
complicity must be broken. Please let me know if you need suggestions
of appropriate Muslim presenters in the New York City-area.


congrats on getting in to this school!
 
you should have challenged him to a fight, go all hood on him

Haha, trust me, this is a BIG guy we're talking about. Wouldn't want to do that.

I personally was put off by the way he acted, and I would not be comfortable going to a school where the director of the Office of Diversity of all offices acted in such a manner. Plus, the activities that I would want to be involved in during med school would be run through his office, so I would have more than my fair share of contact with him (it's not like I'd never see him again after the interview).

EDIT after reading BeyondDriven's post: I hope you didn't say that because that OP is African American... and FYI, he is African American as well.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top