2008-2009 WashU (Washington University, St. Louis) Secondary Application Thread

[PromisingCapita]

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You base your grand theory on what you observed while interviewing, right? Without digging back through this thread, you cited a sample of maybe a dozen schools mentioned in an intro meeting for interviewees, and said that you had "never heard of most of them" or something like that, and on this you limited and biased data you concluded that the level of rigor of the education, as measured by GPA, that is received by students who matriculate at Wash U Med is sub par or "podunk?"

Second, you take your limited and biased observation and take it a step further to claim that Wash U does this in order to inflate their GPA numbers.

Dude, you have some real problems with data points, analysis, and arriving at sensible conclusions. Wash U Med also has the highest average MCAT scores, too, so how do you reconcile this "fact" with your absurd conclusion that the high GPAs of matriculants are the result of them having attended less rigorous colleges with inflated GPAs?

When people do political polls, do you think they interview every single member of the electorate? No, they take a sample and it statistically represents the whole. By the same token, there are what, 100 students give or take in the first year class? Well I talked to about 15 of them randomly, and all but two of them went to a less-competitive school. But there's a caveat. Those two happened to be MD/PhD students. Anyway, that's a 15% randomized sample, so that should be good enough on its own. But in addition, 19 out of 20 interviewees came from a less-competitive school. So that just adds to the results.

Yes, Wash U has the highest average MCAT. But as I stated in a previous post, the MCAT tests only the basics and it's a lot easier to study for the MCAT when you don't have to worry about really hard final exams. I lucked out on my test, but I was REALLY worried about my physical chemistry finals a few weeks before my MCAT was scheduled. If I went to an easier school, I probably would have had all the time in the world to study for the MCAT rather than the two weeks I had to cram.

Finally, Wash U can easily choose all the high GPA high MCAT kids from less competitive schools because, guess what, the majority of students go to less competitive schools. It is this vast majority that take the MCAT, and therefore it would be reasonable to assume that many of the high MCAT scores belong to students at less competitive schools simply due to sheer numbers. Getting a high MCAT score is not nearly as difficult as getting a high GPA at a competitive school. Not even close.

 

[flip26]

When people do political polls, do you think they interview every single member of the electorate? No, they take a sample and it statistically represents the whole. By the same token, there are what, 100 students give or take in the first year class? Well I talked to about 15 of them randomly, and all but two of them went to a less-competitive school. But there's a caveat. Those two happened to be MD/PhD students. Anyway, that's a 15% randomized sample, so that should be good enough on its own. But in addition, 19 out of 20 interviewees came from a less-competitive school. So that just adds to the results.

Yes, Wash U has the highest average MCAT. But as I stated in a previous post, the MCAT tests only the basics and it's a lot easier to study for the MCAT when you don't have to worry about really hard final exams. I lucked out on my test, but I was REALLY worried about my physical chemistry finals a few weeks before my MCAT was scheduled. If I went to an easier school, I probably would have had all the time in the world to study for the MCAT rather than the two weeks I had to cram.

Finally, Wash U can easily choose all the high GPA high MCAT kids from less competitive schools because, guess what, the majority of students go to less competitive schools. It is this vast majority that take the MCAT, and therefore it would be reasonable to assume that many of the high MCAT scores belong to students at less competitive schools simply due to sheer numbers. Getting a high MCAT score is not nearly as difficult as getting a high GPA at a competitive school. Not even close.

This all has to be a joke, right?

 

[PromisingCapita]

This all has to be a joke, right?

Yeah, I am a doing a psychology experiment about inferiority/superiority complexes. 😀

 

[SDN2013]

So how about the people who took the MCAT during the middle of the semester and did well? I for instance, had biochem and physiology midterms, both within 4 days of my MCAT.

Let me guess, "they went to podunk u, if they went to a HYPSM they would of sucked on the MCAT" ?

Oh wait! My professor for biochem is the author of the most widely used undergrad biochem textbook. My professor for physiology is the author of a widely used (though not the most) physiology textbook.

 

[shemarty]

Not that anybody's going to listen to me... but you guys should really stop arguing about this...

 

[SDN2013]

Not that anybody's going to listen to me... but you guys should really stop arguing about this...

I agree 🙂 Taking WashU off of subscription list untill jan 5

 

[Caesar]

Not that anybody's going to listen to me... but you guys should really stop arguing about this...

This is good advice.

 

[jdover52]

The top five private schools and most if not all of the ivies have provided a better deal than public schools for a long, long time now. You are correct that it was just recently that they increased their aid packages significantly and now they offer a free ride (living expenses included) to all families making less than 150K. But even before that major initiative the best private schools have offered a better deal to the majority of middle class and lower class students.

Now since around 15% of the population make more than 150K, maybe I should correct myself and say that 85% of the time a top private school is cheaper than a public state school. That's still a ridiculously high percentage that should debunk the myth that top notch private schools are more expensive to attend. My family made 200K a year and I only had to pay 15K for school effectively making it seem like I received a full tuition scholarship and a partial living expenses scholarship as well. If I attended my local state school I would have had to pay the full sticker price of 25K.

Now there are some not-so-rich private schools that are a rotten deal and give virtually no financial aid to cover a 60K plus tuition. But I'm not talking about ALL private schools. Just the top ones.

Finally, I am not looking down on people who attend a less competitive undergrad school. Every med school, including Harvard, takes students from a variety of undergrad schools from the ultra competitive to the not-so-much. But Wash U seems to PREDOMINANTLY take students from the not-so-competitive schools in order to inflate their GPA numbers. This is what I am criticizing. I'm criticizing the school and not the students. Sheesh.

Tuition at UVA (my state school) is 9.5k for a resident. Where are you getting these numbers? I would love to see some numbers behind your statements... And where did you get the idea that Wash U predominantly takes students from not-so-competitive schools? They had a poster of MS1's at the pizza party and I would say the majority were from Top 20-25 undergrads.

 

[flip26]

Tuition at UVA (my state school) is 9.5k for a resident. Where are you getting these numbers? I would love to see some numbers behind your statements... And where did you get the idea that Wash U predominantly takes students from not-so-competitive schools? They had a poster of MS1's at the pizza party and I would say the majority were from Top 20-25 undergrads.

He pulls these numbers out of a smelly body orifice...

 

[WashMe]

He pulls these numbers out of a smelly body orifice...

lol agreed 👍 the tuition at my state school is a little under $9K. As a "for instance" I turned down Case Western for undergrad after they offered me $28 grand per year b/c it STILL would have been really expensive compared to my state school offer. If PC wants to talk about affordable schools, I get almost 10 grand per year on top of free tuition just to go to school. Sounds pretty affordable, huh.

 

[Myuu]

And now to escape this inevitable re-ignition of our favorite new flamewar, I pose to you fine people a suggestion:

Who wants to speculate endlessly on the next meeting date/round of decisions emails for our favorite (or least favorite) admissions committee?

I'm thinking somewhere around January 15th. You?

 

[WashMe]

And now to escape this inevitable re-ignition of our favorite new flamewar, I pose to you fine people a suggestion:

Who wants to speculate endlessly on the next meeting date/round of decisions emails for our favorite (or least favorite) admissions committee?

I'm thinking somewhere around January 15th. You?

I would hope so, but I'll wait as long as they want if they'll give me a yes. And if they don't, I'll start a thread of despair in June.

 

[PromisingCapita]

lol agreed 👍 the tuition at my state school is a little under $9K. As a "for instance" I turned down Case Western for undergrad after they offered me $28 grand per year b/c it STILL would have been really expensive compared to my state school offer. If PC wants to talk about affordable schools, I get almost 10 grand per year on top of free tuition just to go to school. Sounds pretty affordable, huh.

Ughh, you guys are such great spin doctors. Okay, so how's this for spin. I also get paid to go to a top five school. Because, let's see now, they pay my full tuition and cover 5K a year for my living expenses. So they basically pay me 5K a year to go to their school. Is this the logic behind your guys' reasoning. I highly doubt any public school pays someone 10 grand a year as a salary on top of living expenses.

But sadly, I choose not to live like a scrooge on 5K a year so I spend an additional 15K so that I can have such luxuries like food and heating. This is why I say I pay 15K a year. Does any of that money go towards tutition? Nope, that's all covered thanks to financial aid.

 

[WashMe]

Ughh, you guys are such great spin doctors. Okay, so how's this for spin. I also get paid to go to a top five school. Because, let's see now, they pay my full tuition and cover 5K a year for my living expenses. So they basically pay me 5K a year to go to their school. Is this the logic behind your guys' reasoning. I highly doubt any public school pays someone 10 grand a year as a salary on top of living expenses.

But sadly, I choose not to live like a scrooge on 5K a year so I spend an additional 15K so that I can have such luxuries like food and heating. This is why I say I pay 15K a year. Does any of that money go towards tutition? Nope, that's all covered thanks to financial aid.

you're probably an exception to the rule. I don't think I am. That's what I'm trying to say, no spin at all.

 

[PromisingCapita]

you're probably an exception to the rule. I don't think I am. That's what I'm trying to say, no spin at all.

I don't think I'm an exception to the rule. The vast majority of students at a top private school receive generous financial aid packages that often times dwarf my own.

But all things aside, I read your MDapps profile OnlyNeedOneYes and I do sincerely hope you get into at least one medical school. The app season is not quite over yet and I'm sure you can at least get off of one of those waitlists.

And last but not least, whether you go to a Podunk U or not, happy new year!

 

[WashMe]

I don't think I'm an exception to the rule. The vast majority of students at a top private school receive generous financial aid packages that often times dwarf my own.

But all things aside, I read your MDapps profile OnlyNeedOneYes and I do sincerely hope you get into at least one medical school. The app season is not quite over yet and I'm sure you can at least get off of one of those waitlists.

And last but not least, whether you go to a Podunk U or not, happy new year!

Thanks, and happy new year to you too 🙂

 

[What up doc]

Ughh, you guys are such great spin doctors. Okay, so how's this for spin. I also get paid to go to a top five school. Because, let's see now, they pay my full tuition and cover 5K a year for my living expenses. So they basically pay me 5K a year to go to their school. Is this the logic behind your guys' reasoning. I highly doubt any public school pays someone 10 grand a year as a salary on top of living expenses.

But sadly, I choose not to live like a scrooge on 5K a year so I spend an additional 15K so that I can have such luxuries like food and heating. This is why I say I pay 15K a year. Does any of that money go towards tutition? Nope, that's all covered thanks to financial aid.

think again...my school covers tuition, room and board, books, and fees...in addition to that i recieve a 5,000 refund check every semester.

not bad for coming from Podunk U, huh?

 

[Ubergeek]

When people do political polls, do you think they interview every single member of the electorate? No, they take a sample and it statistically represents the whole. By the same token, there are what, 100 students give or take in the first year class? Well I talked to about 15 of them randomly, and all but two of them went to a less-competitive school. But there's a caveat. Those two happened to be MD/PhD students. Anyway, that's a 15% randomized sample, so that should be good enough on its own. But in addition, 19 out of 20 interviewees came from a less-competitive school. So that just adds to the results.

You obviously think very highly of your own intelligence, yet you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes a random sample. There are at least five factors I can think of extemporaneously that would bias the number, intelligence, and alma maters of the interviewees on a particular day. Even if your thoroughly unsubstantiated and anecdotal observation about the overall podunk-ness of the interviewees were true, there is no guarantee that the composition of the accepted student pool would perfectly mirror that of the interviewee pool (e.g., the interview pool could have 20% URMs while the accepted pool would only be 10% URMs. This fact would prevent you from drawing any inferences about the accepted students from observations of the applicant pool). You should focus less on podunk institutions and examine your own over-estimated intelligence a little more.

 

[htownpremie]

i think we've all gotten a fair dose of both sides of this argument. nobody's gonna back down, and nobody's going to be able to convince anybody of anything at this point. let's just chill out.

a haiku for everyone to think on and relax:

old pond
a frog jumps
the sound of water

-Basho

 

[dma111]

So how about the people who took the MCAT during the middle of the semester and did well? I for instance, had biochem and physiology midterms, both within 4 days of my MCAT.

Let me guess, "they went to podunk u, if they went to a HYPSM they would of sucked on the MCAT" ?

Oh wait! My professor for biochem is the author of the most widely used undergrad biochem textbook. My professor for physiology is the author of a widely used (though not the most) physiology textbook.

Just to be a pain...Voet & Voet is by far the most widely used biochemistry textbook. Neither Voet teaches at Wisco.

That being said Wisco is an outstanding school for chemistry, biochemistry and biology.

 

[htownpremie]

Just to be a pain...Voet & Voet is by far the most widely used biochemistry textbook. Neither Voet teaches at Wisco.

That being said Wisco is an outstanding school for chemistry, biochemistry and biology.

acknowledged. you are a pain. 😉

 

[SDN2013]

Just to be a pain...Voet & Voet is by far the most widely used biochemistry textbook. Neither Voet teaches at Wisco.

That being said Wisco is an outstanding school for chemistry, biochemistry and biology.

any support for that statement?

 

[Myuu]

any support for that statement?

I'll support it on blind faith. Data? I don't need no stinkin' data.

 

[dr drummer]

I know that the insignificant argument of Wash U's liking towards *******es with high numbers is on the verge of being over, but I just wanted to recall my interview experience just so PC doesn't totally disregard Wash U because of his "bad" fellow interviewees....

On my interview day, I remember I had two students from Dartmouth, one from Yale, one from UC-Berkeley, one from Duke, one from Wash U, one from Princeton, and the rest were state schools. I remember because it said it on the name tag, and I was a little insecure because I am one of those *******es that goes to a lame university that is probably tier 3 in the rankings... and I love it!

It hasn't totally hurt me though because I haven't gotten a rejection quite yet, but they will come eventually.

Good luck to you all!

 

[Myuu]

I know that the insignificant argument of Wash U's liking towards *******es with high numbers is on the verge of being over, but I just wanted to recall my interview experience just so PC doesn't totally disregard Wash U because of his "bad" fellow interviewees....

On my interview day, I remember I had two students from Dartmouth, one from Yale, one from UC-Berkeley, one from Duke, one from Wash U, one from Princeton, and the rest were state schools. I remember because it said it on the name tag, and I was a little insecure because I am one of those *******es that goes to a lame university that is probably tier 3 in the rankings... and I love it!

It hasn't totally hurt me though because I haven't gotten a rejection quite yet, but they will come eventually.

Good luck to you all!

Mine was pretty much Yale, Yale, Harvard, Duke, UCLA, Columbia, BYU, and a couple of state schools, most of which I'd heard of.

"National Universities, Tier 3" for the win!

ANYWAY!

Hopefully, (good-) decision day draws near. What do you plan to do in the meantime? I have work to distract me, though clearly it's not terribly efficacious...

 

[PromisingCapita]

You obviously think very highly of your own intelligence, yet you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes a random sample. There are at least five factors I can think of extemporaneously that would bias the number, intelligence, and alma maters of the interviewees on a particular day. Even if your thoroughly unsubstantiated and anecdotal observation about the overall podunk-ness of the interviewees were true, there is no guarantee that the composition of the accepted student pool would perfectly mirror that of the interviewee pool (e.g., the interview pool could have 20% URMs while the accepted pool would only be 10% URMs. This fact would prevent you from drawing any inferences about the accepted students from observations of the applicant pool). You should focus less on podunk institutions and examine your own over-estimated intelligence a little more.

I don't think very highly of my intelligence. In fact, I am the one who repeatedly attributed my MCAT score to luck and good ol' fashioned cramming. Besides, I'm not the one who goes by the name "ubergeek."

Also, if you had paid attention to all the information in my post rather than just the information you wanted to hear (thus ironically being guilty of the bias you accuse me of) I had also said that I randomly sampled 15 of the 100 students in the first year class. A random sample of 15% is not bad at all by any means. Sampling the interviewees on my assigned day was just reinforcement of those results.

 

[tiamat360]

Not to continue what seems to be (hopefully) a dying topic...but does anyone else find it amusing that this guy who's so "I go to an awesome university and everyone else I meet is from Podunk U" has to twist the HYP acronym to make it work for him?

I mean, what is the "M" of HYPSM anyway? MIT? U Mich? Something else? Doesn't mean much when no one but you understands your made-up acronym.

And I went to a HYPSMDKDKEOEIOEIFJSLDSK university, so there. 😀

 

[ChipotleRules]

i think we've all gotten a fair dose of both sides of this argument. nobody's gonna back down, and nobody's going to be able to convince anybody of anything at this point. let's just chill out.

a haiku for everyone to think on and relax:

old pond
a frog jumps
the sound of water

-Bansho

Hey man, that dude's name is Basho, so lets flame each other for a couple pages mmk?

 

[PromisingCapita]

think again...my school covers tuition, room and board, books, and fees...in addition to that i recieve a 5,000 refund check every semester.

not bad for coming from Podunk U, huh?

Hmm...a refund check for 5,000 every semester on top of everything else. Do they also provide food stamps and Medicare?

 

[ChipotleRules]

Hmm...a refund check for 5,000 every semester on top of everything else. Do they also provide food stamps and Medicare?

Oh PromisingCapita, you and your zany elitism!

 

[What up doc]

Hmm...a refund check for 5,000 every semester on top of everything else. Do they also provide food stamps and Medicare?

yup, along with professional pedicures and manicures and complimentary @$$ wiping service 🙄

combination of outside scholarships (nmf, distinguished scholar,, etc.) = excessive mula and essentially getting paid 2 go 2 PoDunk U.

and u attribute youre MCAT score 2 luck? please. first off, i doubt you actually got a 40, im sorry im skeptical...and to say you crammed an MCAT's worth of information in 2 weeks? again, i call BS

youre prolly one of those @$$ clowns that spends all day and all night sutdying only to do marginally well on exams so that can you brag to everyone how well you did by "barely" even studying...grow up dude, noone cares how much you have to study to do well and is not impressed with your supposed lack of studying and subsequent "lucky" performnance. perhaps this is the mentality that pervades the the hallways of the ivory towers of MIT, (oh, wait do they have ivory towers? ), but you might be in for a surprise in med school when you realize that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are

 

[SDN2013]

it's very possible considering he had it the easy way and took the MCAT during break 😀

And nice scholarships man

 

[Myuu]

Hey man, that dude's name is Basho, so lets flame each other for a couple pages mmk?

No, this is Basho's third-tier clone, Bansho (a dirty, rotten plagiarist).

 

[PromisingCapita]

yup, along with professional pedicures and manicures and complimentary @$$ wiping service 🙄

combination of outside scholarships (nmf, distinguished scholar,, etc.) = excessive mula and essentially getting paid 2 go 2 PoDunk U.

and u attribute youre MCAT score 2 luck? please. first off, i doubt you actually got a 40, im sorry im skeptical...and to say you crammed an MCAT's worth of information in 2 weeks? again, i call BS

Now you know as well as I do that outside scholarships aren't meant to be pocketed. They can only be spent on tuition, books, room and board, and travel expenses. So to say you get paid 5K a year on top of everything else doesn't seem credible.

Yes I attribute my MCAT score to luck. As you know, there is about a +/- 6 point spread around your score. When I did the practice Kaplan tests I ranged everywhere from a low of 30 in the beginning to a high of 37. When the real test came along it seemed so much easier than the practice tests and I got a 40. Yes I studied all during winter break and nothing much more than that. Whether you believe me or not is another matter, one in which I frankly don't give damn.

 

[BlackDr2b]

Boy, yall are really going at it in here. I didn't even apply to Wash U but I frequent this thread just to be entertained. Is it that serious? I would cool it before yall thread gets shut down.

 

[waytooez]

yup, along with professional pedicures and manicures and complimentary @$$ wiping service 🙄

combination of outside scholarships (nmf, distinguished scholar,, etc.) = excessive mula and essentially getting paid 2 go 2 PoDunk U.

and u attribute youre MCAT score 2 luck? please. first off, i doubt you actually got a 40, im sorry im skeptical...and to say you crammed an MCAT's worth of information in 2 weeks? again, i call BS

youre prolly one of those @$$ clowns that spends all day and all night sutdying only to do marginally well on exam so that can you brag to everyone how well you did by "barely" even studying...grow up dude, noone cares how much you have to study to do well and is not impressed with your supposed lack of studying and subseuent "lucky" performnance. perhaps this is the mentality that pervades the the hallways of the ivory towers of MIT, (oh, wait do they have ivory towers? ), but you might be in for a surprise in med school when you realize that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are

i would like to clear up some inconsistencies in what you just said. first, for your previously mentioned scholarships, nmf (national merit finalist, i presume), does not pay students any money. only national merit SCHOLARS receive money, and the fact that you don't know that leads me to believe that you are neither. second, what is "distinguished scholar?" it's hard for me to believe there is a scholarship purely called "distinguished scholar." additionally, it is evident you do not know the difference between the words "youre" (which is the abbreviated form of "you are," minus the apostrophe) and "your," which i strenously believe was the word your PoDunk U should have taught you.

 

[What up doc]

Now you know as well as I do that outside scholarships aren't meant to be pocketed. They can only be spent on tuition, books, room and board, and travel expenses. So to say you get paid 5K a year on top of everything else doesn't seem credible.

Yes I attribute my MCAT score to luck. As you know, there is about a +/- 6 point spread around your score. When I did the practice Kaplan tests I ranged everywhere from a low of 30 in the beginning to a high of 37. When the real test came along it seemed so much easier than the practice tests and I got a 40. Yes I studied all during winter break and nothing much more than that. Whether you believe me or not is another matter, one in which I frankly don't give damn.

not at my school...i dont make the rules or ask questions...i just direct deposit my refund check into my checking account...i only listed two of the many scholarships i got from hs, most of which are local/community scholarships that i would say but then you could google them and you would see a picture of me and id prefer to maintain my anonymity 😀

i would like to clear up some inconsistencies in what you just said. first, for your previously mentioned scholarships, nmf (national merit finalist, i presume), does not pay students any money. only national merit SCHOLARS receive money, and the fact that you don't know that leads me to believe that you are neither. second, what is "distinguished scholar?" it's hard for me to believe there is a scholarship purely called "distinguished scholar." additionally, it is evident you do not know the difference between the words "youre" (which is the abbreviated form of "you are," minus the apostrophe) and "your," which i strenously believe was the word your PoDunk U should have taught you.

hehe...considering youre rediculously high post count one, i am dissapointed in myself for even adressing you're post (oops, i guess shouldnt have AP'ed out of freshman english ).

but lol, nmf are pretty much always promoted to the scholar level as long as they have the grades, fill out the application and replicate their success on the SAT, so yes, i was a national merit SCHOLAR as well as a national achievment SCHOLAR, look it up @$$whipe

distinguished scholar is not the entire name of the scholarship, it is a state scholarship that is called "(insert my state's name) distinguished scholar", but once again, because of paranoia for anonymity, i omitted the name of my home state, sue me.

your (damn, i did it again, my bad) about one thing. i suck at writing. but, i did get an "S" on the writing section of the MCAT (ha!) and I do keep a copy of Shrunk and White by my side to improve my shoddy writing skills. my shoddy writing skills however tell me that to "strenuously" believe anything sounds ******ed and awkward as the troll who "strenuously" believes anything :troll:

 

[htownpremie]

No, this is Basho's third-tier clone, Bansho (a dirty, rotten plagiarist).

my bad... fixed it. i was just trying to calm everybody down...although it's clearly not working.

 

[waytooez]

not at my school...i dont make the rules or ask questions...i just direct deposit my refund check into my checking account...i only listed two of the many scholarships i got from hs, most of which are local/community scholarships that i would say but then you could google them and you would see a picture of me and id prefer to maintain my anonymity 😀



hehe...considering youre rediculously high post count one, i am dissapointed in myself for even adressing you're post (oops, i guess shouldnt have AP'ed out of freshman english ).

but lol, nmf are pretty much always promoted to the scholar level as long as they have the grades, fill out the application and replicate their success on the SAT, so yes, i was a national merit SCHOLAR as well as a national achievment SCHOLAR, look it up @$$whipe

distinguished scholar is not the entire name of the scholarship, it is a state scholarship that is called "(insert my state's name) distinguished scholar", but once again, because of paranoia for anonymity, i omitted the name of my home state, sue me.

your (damn, i did it again, my bad) about one thing. i suck at writing. but, i did get an "S" on the writing section of the MCAT (ha!) and I do keep a copy of Shrunk and White by my side to improve my shoddy writing skills. my shoddy writing skills however tell me that to "strenuously" believe anything sounds ******ed and awkward as the troll who "strenuously" believes anything :troll:

so you won't tell me the state you go to college in, but you will use your picture as an avatar as well as reveal much of your personal information for the public. also, what am i supposed to look up again? and no, to be a national merit scholar is much harder than it is to be a finalist and is not simply just filling out a form and having the "grades"; this is why of 15,000 finalists, only 2,500 are awarded national merit scholar.😴

 

[Myuu]

my bad... fixed it. i was just trying to calm everybody down...although it's clearly not working.

Yeah, I tried that three times and have clearly not been successful. Granted, I'm also not helping all that much...

Basho's a good catch, though! I congratulate you on your taste in (and recognition of) Japanese poets.

Edit: You know, med students with choices tend to pick what schools they go to. And if these students are interviewing at WashU and accepted elsewhere, the HYPSMasldkfjasdfaserasdfasdflolwut students will probably have a tendency to head for the coasts. I would posit, then, that one cannot justifiably use the current student population of as a conclusive argument for WashU's alleged preference for schools of a less name-brand nature. Although, the adcom is surely aware of this and may be selecting within the applicant groups for candidates that are both well-qualified and likely to attend. Wouldn't want to waste time, after all.

 

[Depakote]

This thread is repeatedly flying way off topic. There's a lot of disruptive posting going on and we really hate to close a Secondary Application Thread, but we're getting pretty close.

Please keep the discussion on track.

 

[What up doc]

so you won't tell me the state you go to college in, but you will use your picture as an avatar as well as reveal much of your personal information for the public. also, what am i supposed to look up again? and no, to be a national merit scholar is much harder than it is to be a finalist and is not simply just filling out a form and having the "grades"; this is why of 15,000 finalists, only 2,500 are awarded national merit scholar.😴

What proportion of Finalists win a scholarship?
More than half of all Finalists win a scholarship.
http://www.nationalmerit.org/faq_scholarship.php#QB1

haha, wrong again my friend.

but even more alarming than youre fallacious claims is your total ignorance and disregard of relevant pop culture 😱 obviously that is not me in my avatar, but is the "vocie of our generation." if you dont know who that is, look him up. and then, get a life.

 

[Raryn]

Now you know as well as I do that outside scholarships aren't meant to be pocketed. They can only be spent on tuition, books, room and board, and travel expenses. So to say you get paid 5K a year on top of everything else doesn't seem credible.

Yes I attribute my MCAT score to luck. As you know, there is about a +/- 6 point spread around your score. When I did the practice Kaplan tests I ranged everywhere from a low of 30 in the beginning to a high of 37. When the real test came along it seemed so much easier than the practice tests and I got a 40. Yes I studied all during winter break and nothing much more than that. Whether you believe me or not is another matter, one in which I frankly don't give damn.

I don't know about your school, but I pocket outside scholarships almost every semester.

Or well, what happens is that they get applied towards tuition, then my full scholarship is applied last. The overflow money from that is sent to me in a check.

 

[PandaBrewMaster]

but even more alarming than youre fallacious claims is your total ignorance and disregard of relevant pop culture 😱 obviously that is not me in my avatar, but is the "vocie of our generation." if you dont know who that is, look him up. and then, get a life.

Sorry but I just had to and at this

 

[PromisingCapita]

I don't know about your school, but I pocket outside scholarships almost every semester.

Or well, what happens is that they get applied towards tuition, then my full scholarship is applied last. The overflow money from that is sent to me in a check.

Hmmm...that seems quite unethical to me. So you're telling me that you deposit scholarship funds that go over and beyond educational and living expenses into your personal checking account? So I guess the people who established and donated money to a scholarship fund weren't interested in helping students with college expenses but just wanted to find ways to deposit money into people's checking accounts. In a manner of speaking, you're taking money away from another potential student who would have used it to actually pay for college. Oh, but I'm sure all these scholarship funds have unlimited money for stuff like that.

 

[Raryn]

Hmmm...that seems quite unethical to me. So you're telling me that you deposit scholarship funds that go over and beyond educational and living expenses into your personal checking account? So I guess the people who established and donated money to a scholarship fund weren't interested in helping students with college expenses but just wanted to find ways to deposit money into people's checking accounts. In a manner of speaking, you're taking money away from another potential student who would have used it to actually pay for college. Oh, but I'm sure all these scholarship funds have unlimited money for stuff like that.

I earn $X in scholarship funds, I get $X.

Several of my peers have multiple full scholarships, and get one of them in cash. A girl I know gets a full scholarship through ROTC, as well as one through the honors college I'm in. She gets a check equivalent to full tuition every semester.

I'm not talking about need based scholarships, but rather merit based scholarships. Merit based scholarships don't give you money because you need it, rather because you worked hard enough to deserve it.

 

[Depakote]

Let's try this again.

I'm shutting this thread down. I'll make a new one (to be linked shortly).

It will be for the discussion of WashU application issues. If you must continue this tangential discussion, I highly recommend doing so elsewhere.

edit: new thread may be found here