2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

[user3]

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You have a very slim chance with that mcat score. Apply to the new schools such as CUSOM, ACOM, Marian, WCU-COM, LMU-DCOM, VCOM. You can also apply to Pikeville if you are a southerner.

+1

Someone got into CUSOM with 3.2/22. It's definitely possible and worth applying, even though chances aren't the best.

 

[Temperature101]

+1

Someone got into CUSOM with 3.2/22. It's definitely possible and worth applying, even though chances aren't the best.

That person could have been an URM, but anything is possible...

 

[hallowmann]

cgpa: 2.91
sGPA 3.91
mcat:28

That cgpa going to destroy me 🙁 . Scared most places will auto-reject me. Pretty sure im a underdawg cause of it..

You should get in somewhere if you apply early and broadly, but if you really want choices, I'd work on taking a couple retakes either for the rest of the summer or into the fall, so you could break that 3.0 screen barrier that many schools have.

Thinking about next spring. My baseline was a 19 without studying, so I have some work to do, but I didnt have orgo, how hard would it be to get a 27+?

You dont think my science GPA will keep me out?

sGPA is not wonderful, but you'll be fine. You can do well on the MCAT if you just commit to studying and actually understanding the material. Then for the last 3 weeks or month before the exam focus on taking many practice tests and getting your timing right. With that, you should be fine, and definitely able to get a 26+.

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. I got a 9 on the practice, but most were biological function questions and I actually learned most of the things from my nutrition class lol.

Its still doable, albeit harder, without taking O Chem, but its still manageable.

 

[Anicetus]

So apparently LECOM has been sending interview invites already!

Has anyone from our underdog team been blessed with one?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

So apparently LECOM has been sending interview invites already!

Has anyone from our underdog team been blessed with one?

This early? Welp better than during the year I suppose.

 

[hallowmann]

This early? Welp better than during the year I suppose.

They did the same thing last year. II's go out in early July for interviews starting in mid/late July.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

They did the same thing last year. II's go out in early July for interviews starting in mid/late July.

I wouldn't mind an interview to Brendenton in the early summer.

 

[ChineseKid]

Damit, interviews alrdy so soon?

Better get my secondaries out ASAP.

 

[Hot Wheels]

Lol. I'm like the underdog of underdogs.

 

[TheFuture_22]

+1

Someone got into CUSOM with 3.2/22. It's definitely possible and worth applying, even though chances aren't the best.

Definitely URM or extraordinary ECs, I would say average for CUSOM is somewhere around 3.5/25 based on people I have talked to.

 

[hallowmann]

Definitely URM or extraordinary ECs, I would say average for CUSOM is somewhere around 3.5/25 based on people I have talked to.

That sounds about right for a new school these days. Maybe a slightly lower GPA, but who knows. I think ACOM was around that as well.

 

[TheFuture_22]

That sounds about right for a new school these days. Maybe a slightly lower GPA, but who knows. I think ACOM was around that as well.

The reason I said 3.5 as opposed to 3.4 is because CUSOM has the 3.2 minimum for GPA, so I figured it would end up at about 3.5 instead of the norm for new schools which is around 3.4. I could be wrong though.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Definitely URM or extraordinary ECs, I would say average for CUSOM is somewhere around 3.5/25 based on people I have talked to.

I'm curious what the matriculate average will be

 

[touchpause13]

Wow at LECOM. Anyone heard of any other schools giving out iis this early? So far I've got secondaries submitted at CUSOM, MUCOM and KCOM. Planning on finishing CCOM and OUHCOM after I get back from my honeymoon.

 

[Temperature101]

The reason I said 3.5 as opposed to 3.4 is because CUSOM has the 3.2 minimum for GPA, so I figured it would end up at about 3.5 instead of the norm for new schools which is around 3.4. I could be wrong though.

The 3.2 is for competitiveness... Minimum is 3.0

 

[ChineseKid]

The 3.2 is for competitiveness... Minimum is 3.0

Min for sGPA is 3.2
I got rejected with 3.18

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[pre med 2014]

When are we supposed to get secondaries from the time of aacomas submission?

 

[go1]

Just an update for ya underdogs:

I got in off the waitlist for a school I had applied to. I start this Fall 2013.

Stats:

3.65 GPA
22 MCAT
Great EC's

and I'm white.

If you're stats are similar to mine don't give up hope. Good luck to you all.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Just an update for ya underdogs:

I got in off the waitlist for a school I had applied to. I start this Fall 2013.

Stats:

3.65 GPA
22 MCAT
Great EC's

and I'm white.

If you're stats are similar to mine don't give up hope. Good luck to you all.

What school did you get in? How many invites and interviews did you have?
Honestly not to take away from your personal experience but for many this won't happen. Someone with a 22 will either be rejected or waitlisted, especially when youre below the average applicant by a standard deviation and some.

 

[Temperature101]

Just an update for ya underdogs:

I got in off the waitlist for a school I had applied to. I start this Fall 2013.

Stats:

3.65 GPA
22 MCAT
Great EC's

and I'm white.

If you're stats are similar to mine don't give up hope. Good luck to you all.

Congrats...

 

[Temperature101]

What school did you get in? How many invites and interviews did you have?
Honestly not to take away from your personal experience but for many this won't happen. Someone with a 22 will either be rejected or waitlisted, especially when youre below the average applicant by a standard deviation and some.

We have been beating up a lot on user3 because he/she is always upbeat about people chances... I hate to say it, but user3 is right for the most part... If someone has 3.3 c/sGPA and 24-25 mcat, that person might not be an underdog because the definition of underdog should be < 50% chances...Also, I look at last year's underdog thread and most applicants with the stats I mention above have 2+ acceptances.... I think we should reconsider the definition of underdog...

 

[hallowmann]

We have been beating up a lot on user3 because he/she is always upbeat about people chances... I hate to say it, but user3 is right for the most part... If someone has 3.3 c/sGPA and 24-25 mcat, that person might not be an underdog because the definition of underdog should be < 50% chances...Also, I look at last year's underdog thread and most applicants with the stats I mention above have 2+ acceptances.... I think we should reconsider the definition of underdog...

They might have something in common that makes them desirable to schools in general. Sure its possible to get in with lower stats (<50% still leaves a lot of chances for success, especially if you consider the average applicant applies to 8-10 schools and people with those lower stats are usually applying to 20-30). They are on that border for interviews, so if they get an interview, if they have good ECs and kill the interview, at very least they'll be waitlisted.

That said, user3's posts make it sound like if you have a 3.1 and a 23, you're guaranteed an acceptance. The problem with that is that it doesn't take into account EC's, interviewing ability, or even trend. I'm sure someone who has a rough 1st or even 2nd year, but gets mostly As in the last two years will have a much better chance than the guy who is just a B- student.

In any case, all you need to do is look at applicant vs. matriculant data. Averages for applicants are in the 3.3 and 25 range, and of all applicants ~40% are accepted into a DO school. That already gives people with those stats or below less of a chance than what's considered to be an underdog. Besides who ever said underdogs don't get in? The whole purpose of this thread is to give hope, because underdogs really do get in (again 40% isn't bad). I'm sure if the "underdogs" were considered people with <3.0 GPAs and <22 MCATs, this would be a much more depressing thread.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

We have been beating up a lot on user3 because he/she is always upbeat about people chances... I hate to say it, but user3 is right for the most part... If someone has 3.3 c/sGPA and 24-25 mcat, that person might not be an underdog because the definition of underdog should be < 50% chances...Also, I look at last year's underdog thread and most applicants with the stats I mention above have 2+ acceptances.... I think we should reconsider the definition of underdog...

Because user3 has no semblance of a notion of statistical incidence and prediction. Someone with a 3.3/25 will likely be rejected, and we have plenty re applicants on here with very strong ECs who have been.

Sorry, but anecdotal evidence is meaningless.

 

[pre med 2014]

Because user3 has no semblance of a notion of statistical incidence and prediction. Someone with a 3.3/25 will likely be rejected, and we have plenty re applicants on here with very strong ECs who have been.

Sorry, but anecdotal evidence is meaningless.

Why unlikely? Average LizzyM for DO matriculated is 60, does having a 58 really make it unlikely to get in??

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Why unlikely? Average LizzyM for DO matriculated is 60, does having a 58 really make it unlikely to get in??

It's 62 and the average rejected applicant's average is 3.4/25....

 

[GypsyHummus]

What schools would be better for someone with a low science GPA?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

What schools would be better for someone with a low science GPA?

I don't think there are any schools that look favorably on a low sci gpa. But yah, generally that's only redeemable if you've got a solid mcat score.

 

[kratosis]

I don't think there are any schools that look favorably on a low sci gpa. But yah, generally that's only redeemable if you've got a solid mcat score.

i have a low cGPA (3.1) but a 3.6sGPA...the school i graduated from my cGPA and sGPA are both around 3.6...its just that i transferred to two other schools while having health problems and i did really bad (academically dismissed from one earning no credits after 2 semesters: serious health issues) so my cGPA overall is 3.1 but my last two years are almost straight A's.... i have a 23MCAT and a 27MCAT (retake)... i really hope i get some interviews... hopefully in the northeast.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I thought it was 3.2/24.4?

Higher last time I checked. But double check me.

 

[user3]

Because user3 has no semblance of a notion of statistical incidence and prediction. Someone with a 3.3/25 will likely be rejected, and we have plenty re applicants on here with very strong ECs who have been.

Sorry, but anecdotal evidence is meaningless.

I will put my money where my mouth is. Find me someone with 3.2-3.3 sci gpa/24-25 who applied broadly (minimum 10 schools) and did not get in.

I asked this question on another thread and guess what I got? crickets.

most common reason people do not get into DO, BY FAR, is not applying broadly enough.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I will put my money where my mouth is. Find me someone with 3.2-3.3 sci gpa/24-25 who applied broadly (minimum 10 schools) and did not get in.

I asked this question on another thread and guess what I got? crickets.

most common reason people do not get into DO, BY FAR, is not applying broadly enough.

Toothpause

 

[Temperature101]

I will put my money where my mouth is. Find me someone with 3.2-3.3 sci gpa/24-25 who applied broadly (minimum 10 schools) and did not get in.

I asked this question on another thread and guess what I got? crickets.

most common reason people do not get into DO, BY FAR, is not applying broadly enough.

I wouldn't go as far to say 3.2 c/sGPA and 24 MCAT has a great shot... But I partially agree with your last statement... It would not be easy to find someone with 3.3 c/sGPA, 25 MCAT and average ECs who cant (or did not) get into a DO school if they apply broadly (and I would add smartly)... I don't think it is an outlier anymore when someone got in with 3.3 and 25 MCAT...

Are people saying someone with these stats (3.3 c/sGPA and 25 mcat) and average ECs has a long shot if they apply to these schools...?

1. ACOM
2. CUSOM
3. MUCOM
4. LMU-DCOM
5. WVSOM
6. LECOM-E
7. LECOM-B
8. KYCOM
9. ATSU-SOMA
10. ATSU-KCOM
11. PCOM-GA
12. VCOM-VC
13. LUCOM (aka Jerry Farwell's school..Lol)
14.Touro-NV
15.VCOM-CC

 

[touchpause13]

Because user3 has no semblance of a notion of statistical incidence and prediction. Someone with a 3.3/25 will likely be rejected, and we have plenty re applicants on here with very strong ECs who have been.

Sorry, but anecdotal evidence is meaningless.

Like me! 🙁

 

[touchpause13]

I will put my money where my mouth is. Find me someone with 3.2-3.3 sci gpa/24-25 who applied broadly (minimum 10 schools) and did not get in.

I asked this question on another thread and guess what I got? crickets.

most common reason people do not get into DO, BY FAR, is not applying broadly enough.

Yup, serenade is correct, this is me.
Applied BROADLY (12 schools) last year with a 25 (started with a 24) , 3.3 and above average ECs. Was WL at LMU but was not accepted anywhere (had 3 iis)

 

[Telekinesis]

Yup, serenade is correct, this is me.
Applied BROADLY (12 schools) last year with a 25 (started with a 24) , 3.3 and above average ECs. Was WL at LMU but was not accepted anywhere (had 3 iis)

I would say your interview skills are at fault. If you had 3 iis fault lies with you.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I would say your interview skills are at fault. If you had 3 iis fault lies with you.

Not exactly, there are many factors here. If you have low stats it means you'll be small pooled and then interview in the late half of the cycle and on chances are you'll be fighting for WLs and nothing else. Furthermore you could attend interviews where the interviewer simply decided that they were not a good fit for the school.

 

[TheFuture_22]

For anyone who applied to Marian, will it reflect bad on me to leave the "any other information" question blank on the secondary?

I left it blank and received an interview, so you should be fine if everything you wanted to say has been said. I wouldn't recommend just putting filler in there. Good luck this cycle, Vince!

 

[Anicetus]

We should keep track of which underdogs get interviews.

Serenade, tally me off for one interview so far.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Yup, serenade is correct, this is me.
Applied BROADLY (12 schools) last year with a 25 (started with a 24) , 3.3 and above average ECs. Was WL at LMU but was not accepted anywhere (had 3 iis)

You could still be accepted at LMU

 

[Temperature101]

We should keep track of which underdogs get interviews.

Serenade, tally me off for one interview so far.

That early! Which school? I am getting anxious... Have not even submitted my primary yet....

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

We should keep track of which underdogs get interviews.

Serenade, tally me off for one interview so far.

Lol, lets keep tallying to ourselves till like November when people won't panic about stuff.

 

[ENGL1GHTENED]

28 MCAT- 10/9/9 - B/P/V
3.19 sGPA
3.25 cGPA

LOR from a DO-50 hours shadowed plus a great relationship with him
2 research stints, one on going in conservation biology
Other great ECs

If I applied to 20 schools how many secondary/interviews/ acceptances should I expect, (if any 😕 ), I humbly believe my writing, interview, and communication skills are great, if that helps.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

28 MCAT- 10/9/9 - B/P/V
3.19 sGPA
3.25 cGPA

LOR from a DO-50 hours shadowed plus a great relationship with him
2 research stints, one on going in conservation biology
Other great ECs

If I applied to 20 schools how many secondary/interviews/ acceptances should I expect, (if any 😕 ), I humbly believe my writing, interview, and communication skills are great, if that helps.

20 DO schools?

You'll probably have at the minimum 3-5 interview invites.

 

[Temperature101]

28 MCAT- 10/9/9 - B/P/V
3.19 sGPA
3.25 cGPA

LOR from a DO-50 hours shadowed plus a great relationship with him
2 research stints, one on going in conservation biology
Other great ECs

If I applied to 20 schools how many secondary/interviews/ acceptances should I expect, (if any 😕 ), I humbly believe my writing, interview, and communication skills are great, if that helps.

12-15 if you apply to low tier ones... Avoid Touro-CA, Western, DMU, CCOM and schools with regional bias

 

[D2thaJay]

So I just got my MCAT scores back on Tuesday and would consider myself an underdog...

27 (9,8,10) (P,V,B)

cGPA: 3.9
SGPA: 3.95

Applied to 15 MD and I am currently applying to several DOs

Any suggestions on which DOs I should apply to?!?!

 

[pre med 2014]

So I just got my MCAT scores back on Tuesday and would consider myself an underdog...

27 (9,8,10) (P,V,B)

cGPA: 3.9
SGPA: 3.95

Applied to 15 MD and I am currently applying to several DOs

Any suggestions on which DOs I should apply to?!?!

Not a DO underdog. And you are on the cutoff mark for MD underdog. LizzyM 67 required for MD underdog, you are 66 but +1 for early app

 

[pre med 2014]

20 DO schools?

You'll probably have at the minimum 3-5 interview invites.

I applied to 28 schools with 3.2/27 how many interviews will I get?

 

[touchpause13]

I would say your interview skills are at fault. If you had 3 iis fault lies with you.

Not exactly, there are many factors here. If you have low stats it means you'll be small pooled and then interview in the late half of the cycle and on chances are you'll be fighting for WLs and nothing else. Furthermore you could attend interviews where the interviewer simply decided that they were not a good fit for the school.

interviewing wasn't the problem, I got good feedback about that. the issue was i applied late (secondaries complete by october due to september MCAT) and had a low sgpa (3.1)
And i had 3 ii, but only attended 2.

But yeah thanks capt obvious, i didn't get in obviously the fault is with me. in other breaking news bears **** in the woods and the pope is catholic.

 

[touchpause13]

we should keep track of which underdogs get interviews.

Serenade, tally me off for one interview so far.

lecom?

 

[pre med 2014]

Someone seriously already got an interview??