2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

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Everything is in my MDapps... It's linked on my profile here. I did a lot after undergrad, and I had a pretty good CV. But my undergrad grades were not so hot... My CV and persistence ultimately helped me overcome my grades.

Test scores and grades are not an indicator of intelligence. If you can prove yourself in other ways, prove that you are more than just numbers, the adcoms will give you a chance. In the end, I am so glad that I wasn’t a straight A student and didn’t get a 30+ on my MCAT. It forced me to focus on other things (something many of the people in my med school class didn't get the chance to do)... Grades don’t follow you through life. At the end of med school, no one will care what my undergrad GPA was. And at the end of residency, no one will care what rank I was in med school or what my USMLE/COMLEX board scores were…

The point is, grades don’t follow you. They are limited in their ability to make you look competent and intelligent. However, your experiences, all of the things you have done that no one else had the chance to do because they were so focused on their grades… Those things make you look like a rockstar for the rest of your life. Just something to think about kids…

How does the rigor of the mcat compare to that of the USMLE/COMLEX?

It took me two attempts to get a semi-competitive score on the MCAT and this worries me when I try to think of how my performance on the boards is going to be.
 
Uh... Actually, I had a 3.01, 2.95, and took the MCAT 5 times (16, 19, 17, 22, 27)... But I had a 27 when I finally applied a few years ago. And I had over 10 interviews (MD and DO). I did get in (currently a third year at TCOM)... 😉 Underdogs have to work harder, but it can be done. I know the season is coming up quickly, I am super excited for all of you, good luck guys!
you had a stellar CV, good grad GPA and a solid MCAT though. you totally deserved to get in. You were not like other people on here who have run of the mill EC's, and both weak GPA and weak MCAT that get into the newer DO schools like LUCOM or LMU.
 
How does the rigor of the mcat compare to that of the USMLE/COMLEX?

It took me two attempts to get a semi-competitive score on the MCAT and this worries me when I try to think of how my performance on the boards is going to be.

I did very well on COMLEX 1, getting a 553 (400 is passing the exam, and the average in the US is a 500). I got a 212 on the USMLE 1 (187 is passing right now, and average for everyone taking the USMLE when I took it last summer was a 227). I didn't kill the USMLE, but I didn't do all that bad. It’s nothing to be excited about, however I worked dang hard for that 212, so I am pretty proud of myself... Especially considering I am seriously not good at taking multiple choice exams. I don't memorize things, I learn them. Apparently multiple choice exams don't agree with this strategy... But my rotations have, and I have gotten "honors" from my attendings on almost all of my evaluations this year.
 
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Everything is in my MDapps... It's linked on my profile here. I did a lot after undergrad, and I had a pretty good CV. But my undergrad grades were not so hot... My CV and persistence ultimately helped me overcome my grades.

Test scores and grades are not an indicator of intelligence. If you can prove yourself in other ways, prove that you are more than just numbers, the adcoms will give you a chance. In the end, I am so glad that I wasn’t a straight A student and didn’t get a 30+ on my MCAT. It forced me to focus on other things (something many of the people in my med school class didn't get the chance to do)... Grades don’t follow you through life. At the end of med school, no one will care what my undergrad GPA was. And at the end of residency, no one will care what rank I was in med school or what my USMLE/COMLEX board scores were…

The point is, grades don’t follow you. They are limited in their ability to make you look competent and intelligent. However, your experiences, all of the things you have done that no one else had the chance to do because they were so focused on their grades… Those things make you look like a rockstar for the rest of your life. Just something to think about kids…

Wow your story is very inspirational...I can't imagine having to take the MCAT five times but I'm glad your hard work paid off..I'm very impressed that you got an interview at the University of Vermont...do you think it was cause of your stellar ECs?
 
Wow your story is very inspirational...I can't imagine having to take the MCAT five times but I'm glad your hard work paid off..I'm very impressed that you got an interview at the University of Vermont...do you think it was cause of your stellar ECs?

I wrote them a letter of interest near the end of the interviewing season (mid February), and they sent me an interview invite about a week later (a copy of my letter to them is posted on my MDapps). When I got to the interview, my interviewer kept talking about the uniqueness of my EC activities so I guess that may have been one of the reasons they went ahead and gave me an interview. However, I am sure that if I hadn't written a letter they wouldn't have given me a shot in the first place. It is an amazing school! I may have died from hypothermia if I actually went there though. Haha.
 
this is me...

3.6 cGPA/3.3 sGPA, 35 MCAT
-strong ECs

BUT

i have a minor IA that i have to report. i only received a warning (no probation or anything more serious), and the incident did not involve any police, drugs, or academic issues.
 
this is me...

3.6 cGPA/3.3 sGPA, 35 MCAT
-strong ECs

BUT

i have a minor IA that i have to report. i only received a warning (no probation or anything more serious), and the incident did not involve any police, drugs, or academic issues.

Why are you so down on yourself? I've noticed multiple posts where you are nervous about applying when you're competitive at EVERY osteopathic school. You need to garner some confidence so you don't self destruct in your interviews (that you will get many of).
 
Why are you so down on yourself? I've noticed multiple posts where you are nervous about applying when you're competitive at EVERY osteopathic school. You need to garner some confidence so you don't self destruct in your interviews (that you will get many of).
I dunno. A warning is serious business.
 
I dunno. A warning is serious business.

at my school, it is a very low level sanction. but then again, every school's different

EDIT: are you saying that ANY type of IA is serious? alcohol violations frequently end in probations, which is more serious.

i would hope that adcoms would know that a "warning" is less serious than a "probation". do you think i need to indicate on my explanation that the warning is lower in level?
 
at my school, it is a very low level sanction. but then again, every school's different

EDIT: are you saying that ANY type of IA is serious? alcohol violations frequently end in probations, which is more serious.

i would hope that adcoms would know that a "warning" is less serious than a "probation". do you think i need to indicate on my explanation that the warning is lower in level?
I was being facetious.
 
thank god...but please dont joke about these types of things. it has tortured my for the past 3 years.
Sorry. I can definitely understand how that can be a sensitive topic, but I would honestly be shocked if anyone took a warning seriously when considering you.
 
Sorry. I can definitely understand how that can be a sensitive topic, but I would honestly be shocked if anyone took a warning seriously when considering you.

nah, i am the one being over-sensitive.

sometimes, we just have to move on.
 
you had a stellar CV, good grad GPA and a solid MCAT though. you totally deserved to get in. You were not like other people on here who have run of the mill EC's, and both weak GPA and weak MCAT that get into the newer DO schools like LUCOM or LMU.
I routinely see you saying good CVs and ECs don't matter/are so BSable that they are/should be irrelevant.
 
this is me...

3.6 cGPA/3.3 sGPA, 35 MCAT
-strong ECs

BUT

i have a minor IA that i have to report. i only received a warning (no probation or anything more serious), and the incident did not involve any police, drugs, or academic issues.
As long as you put the issue to bed in your explanation, it won't be a problem. If you can fully address the IA, what actions were followed, what you learned, and how you won't let something like that happen again then it is fine. I called Western-Lebanon and PNWU to find out why I didn't even receive a secondary for their schools and it was because I didn't explain what I had learned from a misdemeanor alcohol-related charge and an academic probation I received way back in 2004. I addressed them, told them what actions were taken, and how I was put back into good standing but never explained what I learned and how it won't happen again. This led to outright rejection post-primary app and was told that my numbers were fine at submission (~3.3 sgpa and 27 mcat) and were competitive for their schools.
 
As long as you put the issue to bed in your explanation, it won't be a problem. If you can fully address the IA, what actions were followed, what you learned, and how you won't let something like that happen again then it is fine. I called Western-Lebanon and PNWU to find out why I didn't even receive a secondary for their schools and it was because I didn't explain what I had learned from a misdemeanor alcohol-related charge and an academic probation I received way back in 2004. I addressed them, told them what actions were taken, and how I was put back into good standing but never explained what I learned and how it won't happen again. This led to outright rejection post-primary app and was told that my numbers were fine at submission (~3.3 sgpa and 27 mcat) and were competitive for their schools.
The missing link. I knew there had to be some reason for all those rejections despite your decent numbers.
 
As long as you put the issue to bed in your explanation, it won't be a problem. If you can fully address the IA, what actions were followed, what you learned, and how you won't let something like that happen again then it is fine. I called Western-Lebanon and PNWU to find out why I didn't even receive a secondary for their schools and it was because I didn't explain what I had learned from a misdemeanor alcohol-related charge and an academic probation I received way back in 2004. I addressed them, told them what actions were taken, and how I was put back into good standing but never explained what I learned and how it won't happen again. This led to outright rejection post-primary app and was told that my numbers were fine at submission (~3.3 sgpa and 27 mcat) and were competitive for their schools.
Have you got in somewhere?
 
The missing link. I knew there had to be some reason for all those rejections despite your decent numbers.
Yeah I finally got feedback from PNWU and Western-Leb. and had very constructive conversations. I am still re-taking classes in March to get the cgpa up to ~3.1 and sgpa around ~3.5 to better my chances with stats and know how to approach those sections of aacomas about any misdemeanors and academic probation. They told me they don't care that they were a decade ago just explain what I learned and how it won't happen again. They accept students all the time with those backgrounds but they just did a better job explaining their situation. I got asked about my misdemeanors at ACOM interview and I already knew how to explain and what I learned.
Have you got in somewhere?
Unfortunately, no. I am waitlisted at ACOM and pre-interview hold at touro CA & NY, UNECOM, Ohio, and DMU. I am rejectd from MUCOM, pnwu, western-leb., ccom, and haven't heard a peep from VCOM on receiving a secondary. VCOM will send me emails saying I am under review and can take up to 3 months. It has now been 4 1/2 months since I submitted my aacomas. I may attend KCUMBs BMS program since I have been accepted and apply very broadly.
 
As long as you put the issue to bed in your explanation, it won't be a problem. If you can fully address the IA, what actions were followed, what you learned, and how you won't let something like that happen again then it is fine. I called Western-Lebanon and PNWU to find out why I didn't even receive a secondary for their schools and it was because I didn't explain what I had learned from a misdemeanor alcohol-related charge and an academic probation I received way back in 2004. I addressed them, told them what actions were taken, and how I was put back into good standing but never explained what I learned and how it won't happen again. This led to outright rejection post-primary app and was told that my numbers were fine at submission (~3.3 sgpa and 27 mcat) and were competitive for their schools.

thanks for sharing. but what if the IA is so stupid and minor that you can't really say what you "learned" from it?

i dont want to dip into specifics, but say it was something like unauthorized use of a microwave in the TA's lounge or something...

also, if your incidents occurred nearly 10 years ago, why would anyone care that much to begin with unless it's something that's very serious and can prevent licensure?
 
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Yeah I finally got feedback from PNWU and Western-Leb. and had very constructive conversations. I am still re-taking classes in March to get the cgpa up to ~3.1 and sgpa around ~3.5 to better my chances with stats and know how to approach those sections of aacomas about any misdemeanors and academic probation. They told me they don't care that they were a decade ago just explain what I learned and how it won't happen again. They accept students all the time with those backgrounds but they just did a better job explaining their situation. I got asked about my misdemeanors at ACOM interview and I already knew how to explain and what I learned.

Unfortunately, no. I am waitlisted at ACOM and pre-interview hold at touro CA & NY, UNECOM, Ohio, and DMU. I am rejectd from MUCOM, pnwu, western-leb., ccom, and haven't heard a peep from VCOM on receiving a secondary. VCOM will send me emails saying I am under review and can take up to 3 months. It has now been 4 1/2 months since I submitted my aacomas. I may attend KCUMBs BMS program since I have been accepted and apply very broadly.

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thanks for sharing. but what if the IA is so stupid and minor that you can't really say what you "learned" from it?

i dont want to dip into specifics, but say it was something like unauthorized use of a microwave in the TA's lounge or something...

also, if your incidents occurred nearly 10 years ago, why would anyone care that much to begin with unless it's something that's very serious and can prevent licensure?
If it's on your record and have to list it, I wouldn't take a chance by not listing it as a learning opportunity no matter how minor. That way you don't leave whoever is reading your file with any lingering questions about the incident. If it was something like using a microwave in an unauthorized area just say you learned that you need to respect the rules or boundaries or something.

Touro NY reviews all apps with misdemeanors or felonies pretty heavily because New York State law has stringent licensure requirements and if you're accepted to Touro ny with a charge like that, you apparently have to sign a document stating you won't sue the school if you can't get licensed in the state after graduating.

It's frustrating that I made that mistake and hopefully others who may have these blemishes can address it better than I did.


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If it's on your record and have to list it, I wouldn't take a chance by not listing it as a learning opportunity no matter how minor. That way you don't leave whoever is reading your file with any lingering questions about the incident. If it was something like using a microwave in an unauthorized area just say you learned that you need to respect the rules or boundaries or something.

Touro NY reviews all apps with misdemeanors or felonies pretty heavily because New York State law has stringent licensure requirements and if you're accepted to Touro ny with a charge like that, you apparently have to sign a document stating you won't sue the school if you can't get licensed in the state after graduating.

It's frustrating that I made that mistake and hopefully others who may have these blemishes can address it better than I did.


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thanks for the response. my incident is not a misdemeanor, and i am not applying to any of the touro schools because i dont have behavioral science classes.

i am aiming for low/mid DO schools
 
thanks for sharing. but what if the IA is so stupid and minor that you can't really say what you "learned" from it?

i dont want to dip into specifics, but say it was something like unauthorized use of a microwave in the TA's lounge or something...

also, if your incidents occurred nearly 10 years ago, why would anyone care that much to begin with unless it's something that's very serious and can prevent licensure?
If it is something ridiculous like that, I recommend going with a simple answer. If you didn't know it was just for the TA's, say you need to have better attention to detail. If you couldn't be there, you can say something like "I used the microwave there because I thought it was inconsequential, but now I understand that being in the TA lounge unauthorized could make people wonder if I was there for other reasons. I learned small things could potentially have bigger consequences. Thankfully, my school knew it was just the use of the microwave and simply gave me a warning."
 
Yeah I finally got feedback from PNWU and Western-Leb. and had very constructive conversations. I am still re-taking classes in March to get the cgpa up to ~3.1 and sgpa around ~3.5 to better my chances with stats and know how to approach those sections of aacomas about any misdemeanors and academic probation. They told me they don't care that they were a decade ago just explain what I learned and how it won't happen again. They accept students all the time with those backgrounds but they just did a better job explaining their situation. I got asked about my misdemeanors at ACOM interview and I already knew how to explain and what I learned.

Unfortunately, no. I am waitlisted at ACOM and pre-interview hold at touro CA & NY, UNECOM, Ohio, and DMU. I am rejectd from MUCOM, pnwu, western-leb., ccom, and haven't heard a peep from VCOM on receiving a secondary. VCOM will send me emails saying I am under review and can take up to 3 months. It has now been 4 1/2 months since I submitted my aacomas. I may attend KCUMBs BMS program since I have been accepted and apply very broadly.


I guess it varies also depending on the school, and even the interviewer. I have an IA from three years ago (my sophomore year) which resulted in legal repercussions along with a semester of school probation. I addressed it fairly well in my primary/secondaries however it wasn't even brought up at any of my DO interviews (including ACOM). The only time it was brought up was at an MD interview.
 
I guess it varies also depending on the school, and even the interviewer. I have an IA from three years ago (my sophomore year) which resulted in legal repercussions along with a semester of school probation. I addressed it fairly well in my primary/secondaries however it wasn't even brought up at any of my DO interviews (including ACOM). The only time it was brought up was at an MD interview.

thanks for sharing. that makes me feel so much better.
 
will a minor IA (not related to misdemeanors or legal infractions) cause any issues with licensure? i dont want to go through medical education only to be denied the license to practice.
 
I routinely see you saying good CVs and ECs don't matter/are so BSable that they are/should be irrelevant.
hers was full of legit, tangible content: Adjunct professor, good grad GPA in a decent SMP, graduated honors with thesis, secretary of graduate school, multiple management positions, 7 publications, poster presentations, clinical research coordinator, various medical related jobs, (in addition to the volunteer work and shadowing)

EC's that consist of stuff like hospital volunteering, mission trips, community service, physician shadowing, and/or research w/ no pubs is not that impressive, even if you have 10 million hours of them.
 
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thanks for the response. my incident is not a misdemeanor, and i am not applying to any of the touro schools because i dont have behavioral science classes.

i am aiming for low/mid DO schools

I have a pretty serious IA from around 5 years ago. I've talked to several people from admissions at different schools about it as well as a couple people on this forum who are directly involved in that process, and they have all essentially told me that I still have a decent shot. I won't go into much detail about the IA because it's fairly unique and I'd like to keep anonymity, but trust me, it's extremely serious and I was straight up asked to leave the school as a result. My only saving grace was that the school decided I was just a young ***** and didn't deserve a legal record over it, so I'm very lucky.

From what I've gathered, an IA can certainly make or break you, but only if YOU let it. Be honest, lay it all out bare and be sincere when talking about how it has affected you. Don't fabricate lessons you've learned, omit details, or try to pass off blame. And for your situation specifically, don't worry about trying to create some grand lesson you learned from using a TA microwave when you weren't supposed to. Just show some humility over the situation and don't try to discredit the school for giving you the warning. Own it and I think that is all you will need in such a mild situation. Adcoms are people, they're gonna think you're a little weird if you like decided to find Jesus and join the Peace Corps or something as a result of getting a microwave warning.
 
hers was full of legit, tangible content: Adjunct professor, good grad GPA in a decent SMP, graduated honors with thesis, secretary of graduate school, multiple management positions, 7 publications, poster presentations, clinical research coordinator, various medical related jobs, (in addition to the volunteer work and shadowing)

EC's that consist of stuff like hospital volunteering, mission trips, community service, physician shadowing, and/or research w/ no pubs is not that impressive, even if you have 10 million hours of them.
You should be clearer about that. Until now it just sounded like you were dumping on people's accomplishments.

[That the other stuff doesn't matter is a dubious opinion, but at least a line was drawn]
 
will a minor IA (not related to misdemeanors or legal infractions) cause any issues with licensure? i dont want to go through medical education only to be denied the license to practice.
You need to chill out. I was talking to my attorney friend and he was telling me some doctor that contracted a hit man was convicted and then given his license back upon release, and this is in the state of California.
 
I'm still on 6 pre-interview holds and 1 post interview alternate list. Starting to go a bit crazy over here. 3.15, 30.

Just started my first SMP app. RFU BMS program. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but getting off the waitlist for an interview this late seems pretty unlikely. I do full time research and my PI is sending a fantastic letter personally to each of the 6 schools so hopefully that will help me a bit. Is there any point for me to send letters of intent/interest pre-interview?
 
I'm still on 6 pre-interview holds and 1 post interview alternate list. Starting to go a bit crazy over here. 3.15, 30.

Just started my first SMP app. RFU BMS program. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but getting off the waitlist for an interview this late seems pretty unlikely. I do full time research and my PI is sending a fantastic letter personally to each of the 6 schools so hopefully that will help me a bit. Is there any point for me to send letters of intent/interest pre-interview?

How many schools did you apply to? Where is your waitlist?
 
I'm still on 6 pre-interview holds and 1 post interview alternate list. Starting to go a bit crazy over here. 3.15, 30.

Just started my first SMP app. RFU BMS program. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but getting off the waitlist for an interview this late seems pretty unlikely. I do full time research and my PI is sending a fantastic letter personally to each of the 6 schools so hopefully that will help me a bit. Is there any point for me to send letters of intent/interest pre-interview?
I think my pre-interview LOI was key in getting an interview at my top choice. If you want to play in this cycle, I strongly recommend you send those letters soon. I don't know how successful you'll be this late in the cycle, but it's the only card you have left.
 
I have a pretty serious IA from around 5 years ago. I've talked to several people from admissions at different schools about it as well as a couple people on this forum who are directly involved in that process, and they have all essentially told me that I still have a decent shot. I won't go into much detail about the IA because it's fairly unique and I'd like to keep anonymity, but trust me, it's extremely serious and I was straight up asked to leave the school as a result. My only saving grace was that the school decided I was just a young ***** and didn't deserve a legal record over it, so I'm very lucky.

From what I've gathered, an IA can certainly make or break you, but only if YOU let it. Be honest, lay it all out bare and be sincere when talking about how it has affected you. Don't fabricate lessons you've learned, omit details, or try to pass off blame. And for your situation specifically, don't worry about trying to create some grand lesson you learned from using a TA microwave when you weren't supposed to. Just show some humility over the situation and don't try to discredit the school for giving you the warning. Own it and I think that is all you will need in such a mild situation. Adcoms are people, they're gonna think you're a little weird if you like decided to find Jesus and join the Peace Corps or something as a result of getting a microwave warning.

i will disclose the record (regardless of how much i dont want to), but i want it to end after/if i get in. i dont want to keep telling residencies and licensing boards how sorry i am for using a forbidden microwave
 
You need to chill out. I was talking to my attorney friend and he was telling me some doctor that contracted a hit man was convicted and then given his license back upon release, and this is in the state of California.
Wow.
 
I think my pre-interview LOI was key in getting an interview at my top choice. If you want to play in this cycle, I strongly recommend you send those letters soon. I don't know how successful you'll be this late in the cycle, but it's the only card you have left.

I sent DMU a pre-int LOI and it did nothing lol.
 
I'm still on 6 pre-interview holds and 1 post interview alternate list. Starting to go a bit crazy over here. 3.15, 30.

Just started my first SMP app. RFU BMS program. Hopefully it doesn't come to that but getting off the waitlist for an interview this late seems pretty unlikely. I do full time research and my PI is sending a fantastic letter personally to each of the 6 schools so hopefully that will help me a bit. Is there any point for me to send letters of intent/interest pre-interview?
Where did you apply and when were you complete?
 
How many schools did you apply to? Where is your waitlist?
Applied to 10 I think. Post-interview waitlist at LECOM. Pre-interview (i.e. either actually told on waitlist or still haven't heard from them for many months after submitting secondary) at AZCOM, NSU, WVSOM, Touro CA, Touro NV. Most were complete by August. I think NSU and Touros were like November.
 
Applied to 10 I think. Post-interview waitlist at LECOM. Pre-interview (i.e. either actually told on waitlist or still haven't heard from them for many months after submitting secondary) at AZCOM, NSU, WVSOM, Touro CA, Touro NV. Most were complete by August. I think NSU and Touros were like November.

you have a 3.15 GPA and 30 MCAT?

is your cGPA lower than a 3.0? i would think that a 30 is more than enough to compensate for a relatively low GPA.

i am sure you'll end up in a great place though, regardless.
 
Applied to 10 I think. Post-interview waitlist at LECOM. Pre-interview (i.e. either actually told on waitlist or still haven't heard from them for many months after submitting secondary) at AZCOM, NSU, WVSOM, Touro CA, Touro NV. Most were complete by August. I think NSU and Touros were like November.
Did you apply to Touro-NY? They seem to pretty much take anyone with 3.0/30
 
you have a 3.15 GPA and 30 MCAT?

is your cGPA lower than a 3.0? i would think that a 30 is more than enough to compensate for a relatively low GPA.

i am sure you'll end up in a great place though, regardless.
Thanks, I hope you're right. cGPA is 3.15 and sGPA is a smidge lower. Definitely above 3.0. Just frustrating at this point with all the waiting.
 
Did you apply to Touro-NY? They seem to pretty much take anyone with 3.0/30

isn't touro-ny one of the most competitive DO schools with a 3.6/30 average? i cant apply to any touros because of their social/behavioral science requirements. oh well
 
Did you apply to Touro-NY? They seem to pretty much take anyone with 3.0/30
No I did not. Did not really want to go out to NY. I thought I'd have a shot elsewhere but apparently I may be mistaken.
 
Applied to 10 I think. Post-interview waitlist at LECOM. Pre-interview (i.e. either actually told on waitlist or still haven't heard from them for many months after submitting secondary) at AZCOM, NSU, WVSOM, Touro CA, Touro NV. Most were complete by August. I think NSU and Touros were like November.
You applied top heavy. If you didn't have strong EC, I can see why an established school would hesitate.
 
i will disclose the record (regardless of how much i dont want to), but i want it to end after/if i get in. i dont want to keep telling residencies and licensing boards how sorry i am for using a forbidden microwave

I mean, nobody can guarantee you that "it will end" once you're accepted, no matter how badly you want an answer to that. If you're seriously not okay with being questioned about it in the future, then a career that relies heavily on your academic/criminal record might not be for you. I would personally be happy to trade my IA for a microwave warning. Lol.
 
I mean, nobody can guarantee you that "it will end" once you're accepted, no matter how badly you want an answer to that. If you're seriously not okay with being questioned about it in the future, then a career that relies heavily on your academic/criminal record might not be for you. I would personally be happy to trade my IA for a microwave warning. Lol.

haha, it's not exactly a microwave warning, but it is similar in a nature/severity, and non-academic related.
 
I apologize. I got you confused with the microwave guy. Sorry about that!

lol I AM the microwave guy!

i am saying that my warning has nothing to do with microwave; i used that as an example of a minor infraction not related to alcohol/academics.
 
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