2013 rank list thread

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NYCMS2 said:
Does anyone else think that the rank lists are longer this year? Most are in the 10+ ranks? And quite a few are around 15?

Seems like everyone interviewed at at least 10 programs. Lots of people interviewed at 15+ programs.

To anyone who will share: how much contiguous time off did it take to attend that many interviews? What months were your heaviest interview months? When was your first, and last, interview?

I am trying to picture the months I am scheduled to take off (Nov and Dec), and I have a hard time seeing 15+ interviews being possible.
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I applied to 34 programs, got offered interviews at 20, and attended 15 interviews, (declining 4 and cancelling 1), with an addition of four second looks at my 4 second looks at top 3 programs. A total of 20 interview days.

I started late, waiting to finish all my clinical clerkships through November. I started with two warm-up interviews in California before heading out East, which marked the beginning of two full months on the interview trail; only punctuated at the halfway point with a weeklong family vacation over christmas and new years in Montreal.

From the first week of December through the last day of January, I interviewed at 13 different programs, and four second looks. Concentrated in NYC (five) and Boston (four), and a smattering of programs in New England (Baltimore, Philadelphia, New Haven) all within a few hours bus ride of each other.

Then my flight back west detoured through the Pacific NW, rainy Seattle as my last stop.

My best interviews ended up being during those two months, near the very beginning in mid-December after shaking off some nerves and then in mid- January, combining the excitement of visiting your favorite programs on paper with experience and confidence with two 'ranked to matches' in hand. Worked out pretty good, with top four out of five ranked programs offering me a spot.

On hindsight, I would applied to ten less programs from 35 to 25 (shaving off the bottom ranked ten programs according to US News), and interviewed at a 12 instead of 15 programs (declining by location Hopkins in Baltimore and UMass in Worcester, as well as Cornell and the UCs due to visa limitations. If you average it up, it ended up being 20 interview days over 60 days of continuous interview trail, or one interview every three days. Phew. Exhausting, but exciting. Its our official welcome to psychiatry, after all. =)

Hope that helps.
 
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splik said:
remember SDN is not representative of reality. most people dont go on more than 10 interviews, and there are many people who interview at only a handful of places. there is absolutely no reason to interview at 15+ places for the vast majority of the time.
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I agree that SDN applicants are tweaked a bit more than typical applicants, but my observation (not scientific at all, based on memory) is that looking at the last couple of years of this stuff on SDN, the ROL and interview numbers seem higher.

Conversely, the interview review thread count is way down this year - far fewer reviews posted than in recent years. Not sure what that says, but there it is. Hopefully there will be a flood of reviews now that the ROL is done, or maybe following Match Day?
 
Applied to 15 got interviews at 15. Did not attend - Emory, Duke, UNC. Want to stay in Boston

1. Mgh adult
2. CHA
3. Longwood
4. Columbia
5. Penn
6. Yale
7. USF
8. UF
9. USC Palmetto - truly a dream for those interested in private practice and a good lifestyle
10. NYU - would have ranked much higher if I wasn't married with a family
11. UMiami
12. Cannot say without giving away who I am. ( not a lot of people interview here)


I'll be happy anywhere in my top 10. Good luck everyone
 
member2721 said:
http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/Alan_Louie/

Think of him as California's counterpart to Marshall Forstein of Cambridge. A wise gentle psychiatrist from the early 70s, when the hay-days of Mass Mental and UCSF were still the bastions of psychoanalysis on the East and Left Coast... where his graduating classmate was Steve Hyman (Director of NIMH), whom never shared a conversation until Match Day.

Alan Louie moved up the academic ranks of UCSF, a clinical expert in anxiety and psychiatry education, he was soon recruited as program director for San Mateo's community program during the last decade- that geographical region in the Bay Area between San Francisco and Stanford. Until finally in 2012, following the welcome surprise recruitment of new Department Chair and well-respected leading ethicist Dr. Laura Roberts, Dr Alan Louie moved from San Mateo to Stanford full-time, taking over the role of Vice Chair of Education in the department.

All in all, a very very cool guy, always looking forward to the next interesting conversation with a budding psychiatrist.. =)
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Ohhhh! I remember hearing about him toward the end of my day at Stanford but I hadn't remembered the name, just that there was a guy who was very big into residency education from San Mateo who was coming to Stanford , and I saw that as a promising sign for the program. Cool! 🙂 Still would kinda rather be in Seattle, but I won't be depressed about ending up at Stanford.


NYCMS2 said:
Does anyone else think that the rank lists are longer this year? Most are in the 10+ ranks? And quite a few are around 15?

And where people list their DNRs, it looks like the number of interviews is up, too. Seems like everyone interviewed at at least 10 programs. Lots of people interviewed at 15+ programs.

To anyone who will share: how much contiguous time off did it take to attend that many interviews? What months were your heaviest interview months? When was your first, and last, interview?

I am trying to picture the months I am scheduled to take off (Nov and Dec), and I have a hard time seeing 15+ interviews being possible, due partly to Thanksgiving and XMAS, but even without those holidays, it still looks tough to do.
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I planned to do at most ten interviews, and was hoping for at least 6-8. If I had been focusing in on just one region of the country, I would have been comfortable with fewer, but I was interviewing on two coasts. I ended up with eleven because I got a last minute interview at somewhere I really, really wanted to interview (Stanford).

I spread my interviews out quite a bit, which was more expensive, but it was how it worked out best for me. I did four in November during some time off (well, Oct/Nov), and had meant to do five, but Hurricane Sandy got in the way. I did another four in December during a rotation (missed four days and had to do a make-up paper), and then my last three in January (one during winter break, two during a rotation).

I can't imagine doing more interviews than this. By my last two I was quite exhausted, and I don't think I interviewed as well as I did in the beginning. They were two I cared a lot about too, so I would advise you to do your best to schedule programs you think you'll like a lot closer to the beginning/middle of your schedule.

From talking to people interviewing this years versus current residents, it does sound like it's more common to interview at more places. A lot of people I talked to toward the middle were feeling insecure about canceling interviews, and I admit I hesitated a little to cancel the three I did.
 
Here is my ROL

1. University of South Florida
2. University of Florida
3. Hennepin County
4. Advocate Lutheran
5. Creighton
6. SIU SOM
7. St. Mary Mercy
8. St. Elizabeth's Boston
 
NYCMS2 said:
Does anyone else think that the rank lists are longer this year? Most are in the 10+ ranks? And quite a few are around 15?

And where people list their DNRs, it looks like the number of interviews is up, too. Seems like everyone interviewed at at least 10 programs. Lots of people interviewed at 15+ programs.

To anyone who will share: how much contiguous time off did it take to attend that many interviews? What months were your heaviest interview months? When was your first, and last, interview?

I am trying to picture the months I am scheduled to take off (Nov and Dec), and I have a hard time seeing 15+ interviews being possible, due partly to Thanksgiving and XMAS, but even without those holidays, it still looks tough to do.
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In my case, I just wanted to check out new places and let myself be surprised. Since psych is not competitive, I probably could have ranked 5 programs and matched. Since I rather match somewhere than scramble, I just ranked everywhere I went.
 
Always one of my favorite threads of the year. So many of the lists I look at and think, "WHAT?! " . I guess people have very different priorities. The match really is a good system.
 
After seeing my top 5 near the top of so many people's list I am really getting bummed out. BRB matching at my 10th spot.
 
I'll go ahead and post mine since this forum has been such a huge help to me over these past few months and reading people's thoughts over the past few years has often been the main source of information I've had on some programs.

What's most interesting is truly how much of an individualized process this is. In the end you really have to figure out what's most important to you. Reading all of these lists it's abundantly clear that give a few people the same programs and you will see drastically different ROL's from each.

I am from the south and have been looking to leave but also remain tied by my friends and family. I am fairly adverse to cold weather, would love to live on the beach, and am single so I want to be in a great location. The other primary factors in my decision were strength of clinical training (and willingness of faculty to teach), work-life balance, research opportunities, moonlighting, and most importantly - overall feel of the program.

1. UCLA Harbor-View (Harbor)
2. MUSC
3. UNC
4. Brown
5. UIllinois Chicago (UIC)
6. UC Denver
7. WashU
8. UTSW Dallas
9. UTSW Austin
10. Tufts
11. AE Montefiore
12. LIJ
13. UCLA SFV
14. Emory
DNR: 1 based on location

I clearly applied to way too many programs (as you will see below) but I wasn't sure where I stood and felt it was worth it to keep my options open. I interviewed at too many as well but again wanted explore my options and really enjoyed touring the country.

Cancelled/Turned down: USF, Wake, Maryland, LSU Nola, UVA, Rosalind Franklin, UMass, UChicago, Rush

Waitlisted: UCSF, Tulane, BU/UC Fresno/Georgetown (Ultimately turned these 3 down)

Rejected: OHSU, UCLA, UW, CHA, Yale, Longwood, Vanderbilt, MGH, Stanford, Columbia, USC, Mount Sinai/Beth israel (forgot to apply to these until very late)

Never heard from: Hopkins, Northwestern, Cornell, UC Davis?, UCSD, Michigan, UPenn, Duke, California Pacific?, George Washington?

To the person that asked this was 1 contiguous month long trip as well as taking approximately 4 other short trips during rotations, definitely manageable if not expensive (hint: book flights as contiguous legs). I would also advise sending relatively early letters of interest to programs as there is clearly regional/geographic and other types of bias that factor in handing out interviews.

I hope posting this will help some people out in the future and I hope to have some short program reviews forthcoming.
 
Homunculus00 said:
I'll go ahead and post mine since this forum has been such a huge help to me over these past few months and reading people's thoughts over the past few years has often been the main source of information I've had on some programs.

What's most interesting is truly how much of an individualized process this is. In the end you really have to figure out what's most important to you. Reading all of these lists it's abundantly clear that give a few people the same programs and you will see drastically different ROL's from each.

I am from the south and have been looking to leave but also remain tied by my friends and family. I am fairly adverse to cold weather, would love to live on the beach, and am single so I want to be in a great location. The other primary factors in my decision were strength of clinical training (and willingness of faculty to teach), work-life balance, research opportunities, moonlighting, and most importantly - overall feel of the program.

1. UCLA Harbor-View (Harbor)
2. MUSC
3. UNC
4. Brown
5. UIllinois Chicago (UIC)
6. UC Denver
7. WashU
8. UTSW Dallas
9. UTSW Austin
10. Tufts
11. AE Montefiore
12. LIJ
13. UCLA SFV
14. Emory
DNR: 1 based on location

I clearly applied to way too many programs (as you will see below) but I wasn't sure where I stood and felt it was worth it to keep my options open. I interviewed at too many as well but again wanted explore my options and really enjoyed touring the country.

Cancelled/Turned down: USF, Wake, Maryland, LSU Nola, UVA, Rosalind Franklin, UMass, UChicago, Rush

Waitlisted: UCSF, Tulane, BU/UC Fresno/Georgetown (Ultimately turned these 3 down)

Rejected: OHSU, UCLA, UW, CHA, Yale, Longwood, Vanderbilt, MGH, Stanford, Columbia, USC, Mount Sinai/Beth israel (forgot to apply to these until very late)

Never heard from: Hopkins, Northwestern, Cornell, UC Davis?, UCSD, Michigan, UPenn, Duke, California Pacific?, George Washington?

To the person that asked this was 1 contiguous month long trip as well as taking approximately 4 other short trips during rotations, definitely manageable if not expensive (hint: book flights as contiguous legs). I would also advise sending relatively early letters of interest to programs as there is clearly regional/geographic and other types of bias that factor in handing out interviews.

I hope posting this will help some people out in the future and I hope to have some short program reviews forthcoming.
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Thanks for sharing

I'm working on reviews as we speak
 
1. Stanford
2. UCSD
3. UCLA-Semel
4. UW Seattle
5. UPMC
6. Yale
7. NYU
8. Mount Sinai
9. Columbia

Applied to 21. Interviewed at 9 and cancelled 9.

Cancelled: MGH, Longwood, Cambridge, Brown, Duke, OHSU, Case Western, Penn, Maryland.
Waitlisted: UCSF
Never heard from: Northwestern, Cornell

I ended up cancelling interviews after my SO and I decided that we wanted to live in California and I ran out of interview funds. I feel like I would be happy at any of my top 3 and the ranking is mostly based on where in Cali my SO and I want to live.
 
MedYEP said:
1. Stanford
2. UCSD
3. UCLA-Semel
4. UW Seattle
5. UPMC
6. Yale
7. NYU
8. Mount Sinai
9. Columbia

Applied to 21. Interviewed at 9 and cancelled 9.

Cancelled: MGH, Longwood, Cambridge, Brown, Duke, OHSU, Case Western, Penn, Maryland.
Waitlisted: UCSF
Never heard from: Northwestern, Cornell

I ended up cancelling interviews after my SO and I decided that we wanted to live in California and I ran out of interview funds. I feel like I would be happy at any of my top 3 and the ranking is mostly based on where in Cali my SO and I want to live.
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Classic underachiever, this guy.
 
Here is mine:

1. UCLA-Semel
2. UW-Seattle
3. UNC
4. Harvard Longwood
5. Brown
6. Pitt
7. Emory
8. UC-Denver
9. Einstein/Montefiore
10. Boston University

Cancelled interviews: Tufts, OHSU
Rejections: MGH, Columbia, Stanford, UCSF
Never heard from: Cornell, NYU, Mt. Sinai
 
1. MUSC
2. Dartmouth
3. UNC
4. Emory
5. UChicago
6. UAB

Pretty sure I'll land somewhere, but also a little nervous about not ranking very many. Cancelled Mayo, Wash-St.Louis, Hopkins. If I had to do it over, I'd interview in St. Louis. Not a big fan of the cold/Texas, so that affected my choices of where to interview.
 
Dr. Toaster said:
I believe that means the actual opposite...i.e. actual overachiever.
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Don't be a hater!!

At least he had the guts to (1) post his ROL and (2) put his personal life over his rank list.

I say more power to you MedYEP
 
MedYEP said:
What do you mean by that?
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BobA said:
Don't be a hater!!

At least he had the guts to (1) post his ROL and (2) put his personal life over his rank list.

I say more power to you MedYEP
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Jesus Christ is this the IM forum? Can't people here understand sarcasm?

MedYEP, you did well for yourself. I wasn't ragging on you.
 
amazing lists everyone!! good luck with match! here's mine:

1. ucsf
2. ucla
3. stanford
4. ucla-harbor
--i wanted to stay in california (and these were the programs i really liked--clinical breath, research, faculty, urban settings, great faculty, residents, admin)
5. uw (loved seattle and the program overall!--very mild winters compared to east coast)
6. mgh (loved boston, amazing experience, training, although too cold, but i could see myself there)
7. columbia
8. cornell
--similar to mgh, but i like boston more than nyc, but still really like the city. so both of these programs came next.
9. ucd
10. uci
--in california, although locations aren't the greatest. still strong academic and community programs.

overall, i wanted strong clinical training (my perception of strong), research opp (related in geriatrics, dementia, neuro), the feeling that residents were inviting with pretty chill personalities (although got this from a snapshot of the interview also despite the face that i won't know who the incoming class will be), faculty, great PD/aPDs, admin, fellowship opp (want to do geriatrics, and it seems like at all programs i could get there after residency), urban (or close to) cities and bearable weather (which is why east coast programs are in the latter half, but still above two california programs). also, my girlfriend loves the cities we could end up in. in the end, i would be extremely happy with wherever i match on my rank list. i abstained from going on more than 10 interviews so that i can rank 10 programs. the programs i cancelled were just due to scheduling conflict with other interviews, rotations, etc. other than that, i would have loved to go on those interviews!

cancelled: ucsd, usc, mt sinai, nyu, longwood, cambridge, northwestern, sfv-ucla
 
kindasorta said:
Jesus Christ is this the IM forum? Can't people here understand sarcasm?

MedYEP, you did well for yourself. I wasn't ragging on you.
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Thanks. Match day can't come soon enough! I just want to know where I will be already...
 
heyheypsych said:
amazing lists everyone!! good luck with match! here's mine:

1. ucsf
2. ucla
3. stanford
4. ucla-harbor
--i wanted to stay in california (and these were the programs i really liked--clinical breath, research, faculty, urban settings, great faculty, residents, admin)
5. uw (loved seattle and the program overall!--very mild winters compared to east coast)
6. mgh (loved boston, amazing experience, training, although too cold, but i could see myself there)
7. columbia
8. cornell
--similar to mgh, but i like boston more than nyc, but still really like the city. so both of these programs came next.
9. ucd
10. uci
--in california, although locations aren't the greatest. still strong academic and community programs.

overall, i wanted strong clinical training; research opportunities and residents with pretty chill personalities

in the end, i would be extremely happy with wherever i match on my rank list. i abstained from going on more than 10 interviews so that i can rank 10 programs.

cancelled: ucsd, usc, mt sinai, nyu, longwood, cambridge, northwestern, sfv-ucla
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This is a really interesting list. Did you go to UCLA for med school?
You can PM me
 
member2721 said:
This is a really interesting list. Did you go to UCLA for med school?
You can PM me
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in med school up north. md/phd (not through mstp--phd before med school). did meet quite a few peeps from ucla at several ca interviews. did you go to ucla?
 
NYCMS2 said:
Does anyone else think that the rank lists are longer this year? Most are in the 10+ ranks? And quite a few are around 15?

And where people list their DNRs, it looks like the number of interviews is up, too. Seems like everyone interviewed at at least 10 programs. Lots of people interviewed at 15+ programs.

To anyone who will share: how much contiguous time off did it take to attend that many interviews? What months were your heaviest interview months? When was your first, and last, interview?

I am trying to picture the months I am scheduled to take off (Nov and Dec), and I have a hard time seeing 15+ interviews being possible, due partly to Thanksgiving and XMAS, but even without those holidays, it still looks tough to do.
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It does seem that people on here over applied and over interviewed considering they will likely match in the first 3. It might be a detriment to other applicants as a program has now used up their limited amount of interview spots. It probably also handicaps the programs in the same way; hence SOAP!
 
Homunculus00 said:
1. UCLA Harbor-View (Harbor)
2. MUSC
3. UNC
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👍 on your number one rank. 😉

Just like another poster said, we have great faculty, residents, and amazing clinical breadth. We see 1.5x the number of patients compared to many programs. Your own outpatients and moonlighting starting in PGY2. Full access to clinics at UCLA-NPI in our fourth year is most excellent. You will get solid training here, and recent grads go to top fellowships and negotiate high starting salaries. Good luck!
 
Here is my list:

1. UNC
2. Palmetto Health- SC
3. MUSC
4. UVA
5. Duke
6. Wake Forest
7. Vidant- ECU


...I'm partial to the South. I moved to NC for med school, and I'd like to stay in the NC or SC area. Also, my significant other's job is in the area. Good luck everyone!
 
splik said:
remember SDN is not representative of reality. most people dont go on more than 10 interviews, and there are many people who interview at only a handful of places. there is absolutely no reason to interview at 15+ places for the vast majority of the time.
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On the trail it seemed like most applicants to the bigger academic programs went on about a dozen, ranging from 8 to 15 if I recall
 
member2721 said:
On the trail it seemed like most applicants to the bigger academic programs went on about a dozen, ranging from 8 to 15 if I recall
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As a Carib IMG. Applied to 70. I got 15 interviews went to all 15 since I had the time and felt I will only be doing it once hopefully. Most of the Carib IMGs I have met on the trail who have gotten interviews went to 10 to 15. This year with very few programs doing prematches everyone was a little more over zealous.
 
Having a difficult time with these programs, how would you rank? Location does not matter:

1. North Shore Long Island Jewish
2. Beth Israel - NYC
3. State University of New York Downstate
4. NYU
5. University of Virginia
6. Boston university
7. Tufts
8. University of mass
 
Freud1988 said:
Having a difficult time with these programs, how would you rank? Location does not matter:
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Post your question on the applicable 2014 thread (linked in Elftown's post above yours).
 
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