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Not to throw yet another wrench in the mix but keep in mind that interns might be fitting in the applicant interviews during an already packed day. I had one applicant lunch after two extremely rough patient sessions and I know I was a little off compared to other interview days.
100% agree. For me, it's similar to my experience in grad school. Overall I'm happy with my program (and decision to go into this field) but damn, there were some hard days. I would have trouble putting on a happy face at those times.Current intern here- I think the intern happiness is a complicated topic. I think you have every right to be considering intern happiness - your happiness during this year is important. That being said, I think what I lost sight of a little bit last year is that in the end, this is a demanding 40-60 hour/week clinical year. No matter how content we are with our decisions, we aren't going to be beaming with happiness every day as much as we would if say, we found the perfect partner or perfect pair of purple blingy pumps 😉. You should be content, but in the end it is a busy year where many of us have relocated, are working on our dissertations, etc. So I think it's good to keep in mind what is a realistic level of contentment/happiness to expect to see from current interns given all of this. I hope this isn't invalidating! I also think it's important to keep in mind that in my opinion location is just as much if not more important to your happiness during this year as the actual site.
Second, I think others who have pointed out the need to keep all interns perspectives in mind and not overly consider the outlier is a good point. Of course that miserable outlier is really salient, but everyone is different - if all of them are discontented- run. If there's one and the other few are content, think about the potential individual differences at play here.
Wishing you all the best of luck! It's a stressful but exciting time.
Hi #forumfam! This has been a rough month, but 1 interview to go finally!! I'm hardcore struggling with the idea of ranking. Is anyone using some sort of spreadsheet system and assigning point values to things, etc? Any help would be amazing and very much appreciated!
PS I hope interviews have been going well for everyone!
My countdown app says 25 days to M-Day. I started working on a list of 25 meaningful self-care activities I will do between now and then to help me get through the painful wait. Getting that overdue massage, visiting new places in my city, trying a new cuisine, restarting a simple daily yoga routine...
Buying a pair of bomb-ass shoes just made the list. #forumfamspiration
Awesome, thanks for sharing!!!I used the ranking method described in this article: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2598/bb80559048d4d8aa78cdecc67b10ad46b841.pdf
It was really helpful!!! I was having a hard time choosing between my top three--all of them are awesome and hit all of the things I'm looking for, but they each have one thing that they're not as awesome on--and this method ended up surprising me with what it showed. I used the list to inform a discussion I had with my mentor and with my partner, and I now feel very peaceful with my ranking list! Would definitely recommend for anyone else struggling with how to balance pros and cons of relatively similar and solid sites.
What an AWESOME idea! I love the idea of having a new thing to try/new way to be kind to myself each day over the next 3.5 weeks. (Sidebar: HOW is it that long?? Also, related, how the EFF is it still January?! 😵) You'd think we'd all be pros at the waiting game by this point, AND that is certainly still not my strong suit. So thanks for the awesome idea! I'm gonna create a list for myself too 🙂
Also, please update us on whatever bomb-ass kicks you end up with! Also, can't remember if you got one or not, but I still stand by the voodoo magic goodness of the acupressure mat #acunation
I LOVE THIS!! You're starting a wonderful new trend Refresh! Thanks for the idea 🙂
I certified my ranking list and feel pretty good about it. Whenever I read something like 25 days til match day or ask Alexa how many days until February 23rd I get this very strange adrenaline rush/butterfly feeling in my stomach. I'm sure it's some kind of confused fight/flight/freeze response. I love the idea of doing 25 meaningful fun/self-care activities between now and then! I've already gotten a facial, two massages, and gotten back in the running routine I abandoned during interviews.
I am so inspired by your pampering! Love it! #treatyoselfI certified my ranking list and feel pretty good about it. Whenever I read something like 25 days til match day or ask Alexa how many days until February 23rd I get this very strange adrenaline rush/butterfly feeling in my stomach. I'm sure it's some kind of confused fight/flight/freeze response. I love the idea of doing 25 meaningful fun/self-care activities between now and then! I've already gotten a facial, two massages, and gotten back in the running routine I abandoned during interviews.
YAYYYYY!!!!! So happy you were able to come up with a list that's right for you! What an awesome feelingAfter discussing my ranking dilemma with supervisors, I am really happy to say that I have it all sorted out! Yay!!
Yes, I agree: this is a great way to encourage healthy(ish) and adaptive(ish) ways to pass the next few weeks! I'm thinking of doing some baking to bring to my lab meeting/prac site (win-win for everyone!). I also wanna get back to a regular exercise routine and keep reading the several novels I started during interviews. Maybe get my hair cut? My friend and I are also planning to get our nails done the night before Match, so that's a fun thing for the night-before. I'm also thinking of squeezing in some quality friend time with the folks I'll be leaving soon. And of course, lots and lots of acupressure mat time!I like this game!
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Please share ideas from your lists! Mine is still not complete...though @slaney, my first-time session with an acupressure mat is now on there. 😛
Oh god. Sending you ALL the love and support and hugs (or if you don't like physical affection, then something else...). If you want to talk, PM me. I'm so sorry - there are few ways to up the stress more than that, and I'm so impressed that you're even getting through your days.My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
Echoing OpalinePhoenix. I am just so, so sorry. I can't even imagine what you must be feeling. Please let us know if there are ways we can help support you and I'm also available if you want to talk. Wishing you some semblance of peace and comfort, friend. <3Oh god. Sending you ALL the love and support and hugs (or if you don't like physical affection, then something else...). If you want to talk, PM me. I'm so sorry - there are few ways to up the stress more than that, and I'm so impressed that you're even getting through your days.
My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
I am so sorry to hear that. Add me to the list of people you can PM to process as wellMy fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
I'm so sorry to hear this - as if this process weren't vulnerable enough!My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
So many hugs and so much support going your way. Words from strangers are inadequate at times like these, yet sometimes more helpful than consolation from those who know us best...my heart goes out to you, in its best inadequacy <insert a sincerely loving heart emoji here>. It's a big heart, @ReallyFutureDrLove. Take care of you in the best ways you know how. Your struggle is unique and it's clear that there are many of us who embrace and value you. As with others, PMing is invited. I went through my own major partnership end during my doc training. It is so incredibly difficult and yet not at all uncommon. You are not alone!!!My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
I am so sorry! How awful! To echo the others, please treat yourself with kindness and let us know if/ how we can support you in this. I know there isn't a 'good' time for this to happen, but this seems like one of the toughest times. Take care.My fiance of 5 years broke things off the other day out of the blue. We were getting married in June before our plans to move for internship. Wow, I thought life couldn't get any worse...I was very very wrong. Well, now I can move far, far away and have a new start I guess.
Douche-canoe is a great word. That brought a smile to my face.I know everyone has already said it, and I am so sorry you’re dealing with this. That person is a douche-canoe for causing you pain at an already vulnerable time. Please feel free to reach out via PM if you want to vent/talk!
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Totally get this. I wasn't engaged at the time, but the long term relationship I was in with what sounds like very similar dynamics ended when I moved to grad school and my partner chose to not come/break up. I resonate a lot with what you're saying regarding your role and the ones forced onto you. It was awful at the time - but in retrospect, I'm really glad it ended and I got to start over how and when I did. I hope that your fresh start for internship is similarly helpful for moving forward and wiping the slate clean. It sounds like you have some amazing perspective on it already - just be ready for that to crash and burn at various moments as you work through it, and hang in there.Thanks everyone. All I can think is that this truly is a blessing in disguise and that he did this now before rankings were due (or being going through with a doomed marrigage and then a nastier divorce), so I can at least rank how I want without his concerns or pressure. I won't be thinking "I should have or could have ranked this or that higher". I look back and realize how bad the relationship was, pretty verbally and emotionally abusive even though he played it off to me and others as him being caring. He could pretend well and go through the motions. I attract all these guys with psychological issues (the past 3 were clearly not good choices), always, so next prospect down the road is getting the PAI, Rorschach, TAT, WAIS (to make sure he isn't a total idiot), also some screeners for other severe pathology, along with my own interview- kidding, but I'll be asking more covert questions from the getgo. I am no longer following the advice to "not diagnose" a partner, I need to notice red flags a lot earlier. Also, he resented me for having education when he had no bachelor's and I know he felt inferior and intimidated. I do excel at what I do and want and he just can't, even when I gave encouragement. So, he was right, I need to find someone on a similar intellectual level who is just better at adjusting to life and change and not afraid of commitment and selflessness, even empathy! I embrace change, my ex did not, along with many other incompatibilities that I will not compromise over ever again in a relationship, if I ever even find someone who is worthy of my time. No more low expectations, I would rather be alone. He gaslighted me into feeling like I was a controlling miserable person, when it was his projections and insecurities that then made me feel like the crazy "bad" one. It seems the reality of me making more money and wanting to move up in life was too much, but I should have seen this coming, so I feel foolish and even used. And I did care about him and we had a lot of years and memories together, so it's still a crappy major loss.
Ugh - I'm sorry. Not saying that internship had anything to do with what happened between you two at all, but I would like to add that the whole process has taken a crazy toll on my relationship. Between my anxiety about what the eff is going to happen with my life/internship and my partner's issues and our issues combined we have had so many crazy, embarrassing fights in the last couple of months. I hope you can take good care of yourself and rejoice in whatever match day has to offer you as a real, forced but helpful turning of the page.
I'm glad something made you smile. You are loved and appreciated, and you deserve better. If you're looking for random distractions feel free to PM me for doggo pictures and gifs of cats. They always help me when things are not going as well as i'd like them to.Douche-canoe is a great word. That brought a smile to my face.
Thanks everyone. All I can think is that this truly is a blessing in disguise and that he did this now before rankings were due (or being going through with a doomed marrigage and then a nastier divorce), so I can at least rank how I want without his concerns or pressure. I won't be thinking "I should have or could have ranked this or that higher". I look back and realize how bad the relationship was, pretty verbally and emotionally abusive even though he played it off to me and others as him being caring. He could pretend well and go through the motions. I attract all these guys with psychological issues (the past 3 were clearly not good choices), always, so next prospect down the road is getting the PAI, Rorschach, TAT, WAIS (to make sure he isn't a total idiot), also some screeners for other severe pathology, along with my own interview- kidding, but I'll be asking more covert questions from the getgo. I am no longer following the advice to "not diagnose" a partner, I need to notice red flags a lot earlier. Also, he resented me for having education when he had no bachelor's and I know he felt inferior and intimidated. I do excel at what I do and want and he just can't, even when I gave encouragement. So, he was right, I need to find someone on a similar intellectual level who is just better at adjusting to life and change and not afraid of commitment and selflessness, even empathy! I embrace change, my ex did not, along with many other incompatibilities that I will not compromise over ever again in a relationship, if I ever even find someone who is worthy of my time. No more low expectations, I would rather be alone. He gaslighted me into feeling like I was a controlling miserable person, when it was his projections and insecurities that then made me feel like the crazy "bad" one. It seems the reality of me making more money and wanting to move up in life was too much, but I should have seen this coming, so I feel foolish and even used. And I did care about him and we had a lot of years and memories together, so it's still a crappy major loss.
Thanks everyone. All I can think is that this truly is a blessing in disguise and that he did this now before rankings were due (or being going through with a doomed marrigage and then a nastier divorce), so I can at least rank how I want without his concerns or pressure. I won't be thinking "I should have or could have ranked this or that higher". I look back and realize how bad the relationship was, pretty verbally and emotionally abusive even though he played it off to me and others as him being caring. He could pretend well and go through the motions. I attract all these guys with psychological issues (the past 3 were clearly not good choices), always, so next prospect down the road is getting the PAI, Rorschach, TAT, WAIS (to make sure he isn't a total idiot), also some screeners for other severe pathology, along with my own interview- kidding, but I'll be asking more covert questions from the getgo. I am no longer following the advice to "not diagnose" a partner, I need to notice red flags a lot earlier. Also, he resented me for having education when he had no bachelor's and I know he felt inferior and intimidated. I do excel at what I do and want and he just can't, even when I gave encouragement. So, he was right, I need to find someone on a similar intellectual level who is just better at adjusting to life and change and not afraid of commitment and selflessness, even empathy! I embrace change, my ex did not, along with many other incompatibilities that I will not compromise over ever again in a relationship, if I ever even find someone who is worthy of my time. No more low expectations, I would rather be alone. He gaslighted me into feeling like I was a controlling miserable person, when it was his projections and insecurities that then made me feel like the crazy "bad" one. It seems the reality of me making more money and wanting to move up in life was too much, but I should have seen this coming, so I feel foolish and even used. And I did care about him and we had a lot of years and memories together, so it's still a crappy major loss.
Not a bad sign at all. Rank away!!!Hi all,
I'm in anxiety mode right now in light of ranking, and am curious to know how much I should over-analyze the following situation:
I had what I thought was a great interview with my top site, and emailed all of my interviewers to thank them. I only got a response from two (though one was the assistant TD). Should I take this as a bad sign? Trying to do lots of cognitive restructuring about that, but would love others' perspective. Thank you all, and best of luck on the match 🙂.
Hi all,
I'm in anxiety mode right now in light of ranking, and am curious to know how much I should over-analyze the following situation:
I had what I thought was a great interview with my top site, and emailed all of my interviewers to thank them. I only got a response from two (though one was the assistant TD). Should I take this as a bad sign? Trying to do lots of cognitive restructuring about that, but would love others' perspective. Thank you all, and best of luck on the match 🙂.
Thanks everyone. All I can think is that this truly is a blessing in disguise and that he did this now before rankings were due (or being going through with a doomed marrigage and then a nastier divorce), so I can at least rank how I want without his concerns or pressure. I won't be thinking "I should have or could have ranked this or that higher". I look back and realize how bad the relationship was, pretty verbally and emotionally abusive even though he played it off to me and others as him being caring. He could pretend well and go through the motions. I attract all these guys with psychological issues (the past 3 were clearly not good choices), always, so next prospect down the road is getting the PAI, Rorschach, TAT, WAIS (to make sure he isn't a total idiot), also some screeners for other severe pathology, along with my own interview- kidding, but I'll be asking more covert questions from the getgo. I am no longer following the advice to "not diagnose" a partner, I need to notice red flags a lot earlier. Also, he resented me for having education when he had no bachelor's and I know he felt inferior and intimidated. I do excel at what I do and want and he just can't, even when I gave encouragement. So, he was right, I need to find someone on a similar intellectual level who is just better at adjusting to life and change and not afraid of commitment and selflessness, even empathy! I embrace change, my ex did not, along with many other incompatibilities that I will not compromise over ever again in a relationship, if I ever even find someone who is worthy of my time. No more low expectations, I would rather be alone. He gaslighted me into feeling like I was a controlling miserable person, when it was his projections and insecurities that then made me feel like the crazy "bad" one. It seems the reality of me making more money and wanting to move up in life was too much, but I should have seen this coming, so I feel foolish and even used. And I did care about him and we had a lot of years and memories together, so it's still a crappy major loss.
That is soooo ****ty. You are so strong for even being able to talk about it.. even in a (mostly) anonymous forum. It sounds like you're trying to stay focused on the big picture. Although it sounds invalidating (which isn't my intent), what an opportunity to move, start fresh, and meet new and likely really cool people. Imagine how miserable internship year could've been with a soul-sucking partner. Live. It. Up. You deserve your wandsite and all the good stuff this experience can bring!
Nah, my understanding is that most places, people are so busy that they usually don't respond back.Hi all,
I'm in anxiety mode right now in light of ranking, and am curious to know how much I should over-analyze the following situation:
I had what I thought was a great interview with my top site, and emailed all of my interviewers to thank them. I only got a response from two (though one was the assistant TD). Should I take this as a bad sign? Trying to do lots of cognitive restructuring about that, but would love others' perspective. Thank you all, and best of luck on the match 🙂.
How many times will I review APPIC match statistics...
Probably the same number of times as I pull myself out of the "you told people your #1 choice, therefore you've jinxed it and won't match there" rabbit hole.How many times will I review APPIC match statistics...
Totally this. I have become genuinely upset that between my top two sites, I've picked a #1, and therefore have begun to get really excited about it. I keep being like, DON'T DO THAT, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED AND YOU WILL BE SAD AND YOU HAVE JINXED IT. It's not working. The excitement still creeps in like a malicious cookie.Probably the same number of times as I pull myself out of the "you told people your #1 choice, therefore you've jinxed it and won't match there" rabbit hole.
I wasn't gonna tell anyone (minus my closest friends and Mom haha) what my #1 was, but then I went back to my prac today for the first time since December and saw all of my amazing coworkers and supervisor who asked how my interviews had gone and what my favorite was and I was like "LET ME TELL YOU ALL ABOUT ITTTTTTTT!" I just got so excited to see and talk to them all and then broke my own rule and spent the rest of the day whispering to myself/the Universe "jk, it's not my #1, I actually hate it, it's the actual worst. 😵"Totally this. I have become genuinely upset that between my top two sites, I've picked a #1, and therefore have begun to get really excited about it. I keep being like, DON'T DO THAT, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED AND YOU WILL BE SAD AND YOU HAVE JINXED IT. It's not working. The excitement still creeps in like a malicious cookie.
Several years ago, if memory serves me right, my friend in the match found out her results through the site before the email. Is this still true?
I think that's not *supposed* to happen, theoretically - in one of Greg's Q&As it says that, "Results of Phase I of the Match are released to applicants and Training Directors. Result information will be distributed by e-mail and will be available online in the NMS Match System beginning at 10:00 a.m. Eastern Time." And, on the Match Policies on the APPIC website it specifies that, "Internship training directors are encouraged to contact matched applicants by telephone as soon as possible after (but not before) 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time on the APPIC Match Day for each Phase of the Match. On each APPIC Match Day, no contact between internship sites and matched applicants should occur prior to 11:00 a.m. Eastern Time."Several years ago, if memory serves me right, my friend in the match found out her results through the site before the email. Is this still true?
For the slightly neurotic. Last year, my match day email came at 6:55 am CST.