2018 Match List

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I think y’all are getting at two different points

IMO if we’re talking most prestigous DO match lists? RVU or AZCOM definitely consistently do well in that department

But if it is true that most of the OSU students matched at or near the top of their rank list thats amazing. Especially considering that was the class with like a 75% first time pass rate, having that home program to fall back on (guess you couldnt even call it a “fall back” because it was their first choice) seems to of totally helped. Plus its not like OSUs AOA programs are horrid, seems like a commonality on this site to automatically associated AOA program with crap. There are definitely some great AOA programs out there, and while i dont actually know im willing to bet OSU has some solid ones. I mean theyre still technically at a university hospital with probably a decent amount of resources at their disposal.
 
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Can we have a statistics of where students come from in OSU? If 40% of their class come from out of state and suddenly decided to settle in Oklahoma of all places, it’s not a good match list.
 
DrfluffyMD said:
Can we have a statistics of where students come from in OSU? If 40% of their class come from out of state and suddenly decided to settle in Oklahoma of all places, it’s not a good match list.
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Or maybe they like the state after studying there for 4 years and decide to stay? Match lists without knowing applicants preferences, scores, etc are as close to useless as can be
 
Chibucks15 said:
Or maybe they like the state after studying there for 4 years and decide to stay? Match lists without knowing applicants preferences, scores, etc are as close to useless as can be
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You can look at allo schools in similar states. If an noncali allo school with 40% of people from Cali and 40% matches to Cali, yet at OSU those people magically converted to OK, wouldn’t that be a bit shady?

Eitherway, the student make up data of OSU is what I am interested in. I heard they heavily recruit instate anyway.
 
DrfluffyMD said:
Can we have a statistics of where students come from in OSU? If 40% of their class come from out of state and suddenly decided to settle in Oklahoma of all places, it’s not a good match list.
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State mandated minimum of 85% of the class come from OK, many of them from rural OK. In my class there are only 9/114 OOS students, and of those 1 of them is from a non-neighboring state or did not attend UG in OK.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
State mandated minimum of 85% of the class come from OK, many of them from rural OK. In my class there are only 9/114 OOS students, and of those 1 of them is from a non-neighboring state or did not attend UG in OK.
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Sounds like a good match list then. People grow up in OK will want to stay in OK.
 
I personally have been overall pleased with what my future prospects might be based off of these match lists. For some reason, I feel like DO students on here lose a lot of perspective when viewing these lists, and all they seem to focus on are exceptional matches to provide them comfort with their situation of being a DO student. Obtaining an IM position at a perfectly fine academic institution or what have you is not a bad outcome, and is really not all that different from what the average MD student is obtaining. I just looked at several state MD school match lists and they are truly not that different from what I'm seeing on here, other than having a larger amount of those 'wow' matches than DO schools do (though still far from the majority, or even a large amount of them, matching into these top-tier residencies). It seems like (to me, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that the average MD student doesn't seem to look at the typical "mid-tier" academic match as a failed outcome, but some of the more negative DO students on here are unsatisfied by the very same - why?
 
Scrubs101 said:
I think y’all are getting at two different points

IMO if we’re talking most prestigous DO match lists? RVU or AZCOM definitely consistently do well in that department

But if it is true that most of the OSU students matched at or near the top of their rank list thats amazing. Especially considering that was the class with like a 75% first time pass rate, having that home program to fall back on (guess you couldnt even call it a “fall back” because it was their first choice) seems to of totally helped. Plus its not like OSUs AOA programs are horrid, seems like a commonality on this site to automatically associated AOA program with crap. There are definitely some great AOA programs out there, and while i dont actually know im willing to bet OSU has some solid ones. I mean theyre still technically at a university hospital with probably a decent amount of resources at their disposal.
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I personally know multiple 4th years who applied to LESS than 5 programs for residency and all of them matched. I would wager a good chunk of the class didn't apply to programs outside of Oklahoma.
 
Hippocrates II said:
I personally have been overall pleased with what my future prospects might be based off of these match lists. For some reason, I feel like DO students on here lose a lot of perspective when viewing these lists, and all they seem to focus on are exceptional matches to provide them comfort with their situation of being a DO student. Obtaining an IM position at a perfectly fine academic institution or what have you is not a bad outcome, and is really not all that different from what the average MD student is obtaining. I just looked at several state MD school match lists and they are truly not that different from what I'm seeing on here, other than having a larger amount of those 'wow' matches than DO schools do (though still far from the majority, or even a large amount of them, matching into these top-tier residencies). It seems like (to me, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that the average MD student doesn't seem to look at the typical "mid-tier" academic match as a failed outcome, but some of the more negative DO students on here are unsatisfied by the very same - why?
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I don't think anyone can really answer that question, but I'll try my best. Those negative students are hung up on the idea that having a DO attached to their name at the end of their 4 years makes them somehow less of a physician than those who gain the MD. They seem to think that if they're not given a shot at getting into those ivory tower programs that they're somehow a failure as a future physician. I mean, it largely depends on the person but the general feeling I get is that a lot of people just aren't confident in themselves. They feel like they have to come on here and be able to boast about getting into some ridiculously outrageous program to validate their degree and professional careers. I think a lot of people lose sight of why they really got into medicine and become obsessed with the accolades and care less and less about the work their doing and the communities they're serving.

At the end of the day, a family member of a GSW victim or a husband losing his wife to end stage cancer isn't going to stop and ask where you went for your surgical fellowship or your residency in IM. Patients look for confidence in a physician and their ability to articulate that in whatever modality they decide to practice. Mid tier, lower tier, top tier programs; who gives a ****? All of these programs are more than capable of training competent physicians or they wouldn't be accredited.
 
Fully agree with the above by tatt. We all get that status and prestige create a more aesthetically pleasing match list. I personally ranked and matched to my #1 program, a community program, over others with more prestige and pomp. Why? Better fit for me, aligned with my short term and long term goals, cost of living and a half dozen other reasons. I may not be a great candidate for fellowship after or delve into research, but I don't want either of those.

I'll admit with MADD and whoever else that OSU isn't technically a desirable overall match. But I bet a larger % of those grads are happier with their lot than most other schools, and grats to them for that situation.
 
To echo the above post basically nobody in my class (DO) or my dozens of friends from undergrad at MD schools give a damn about matching in a prestigious program (at least initially). 95% of DO students just want to match into the specialty they want...and that’s it. The next factor would be they’d prefer if it’s close to home. They don’t care if it’s community or academic. Being near support systems and/or family are far more important to most students that the prestige of a program. I cannot emphasize enough how essentially nobody talks or thinks about residency the way Dr.fluffy does at most DO schools and MD schools (that aren’t top tier). Which is why your back handed comments and constant desperate attempts to undermine each DO match list are a waste of your time.
 
Chibucks15 said:
Match Lists can help a little but for the most part they mean a hell of a lot less than people make them out to mean on here. Not everyone wants to be in the ivory tower in some super-competitive specialty. The vast majority of people at my school simply want to be a primary care doc or a community oriented specialist, at least from what some have told me. So while yes, impressive matches always look good, just because there's only 3 gen surg matches means next to nothing, as pointed out above. I know we all want all the info we can about our future prospects but I think we're looking in the wrong area to be completely honest. And everyone gets all mad about it.

MAKE SDN CHILL AGAIN
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😛I think this begs the same question- When was it originally chill??
 
DrJaySomeday said:
It's a previously AOA program. The neurosurg match at SUNY Downstate though. Pretty dope, I'm always just impressed people want to do neurosurgery at all, takes a special soul.
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Those sweet, sweet elective spine cash monies tho...

All jokes aside I agree. Looking at backs all day followed by super sick crani patients is not my idea of a good time.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
In case anyone wanted to know @GSWfan15 is salty because in a completely different thread I told a pre-med poster to choose RVU over Western and part of that discussion (I had multiple reasons why that did NOT involve a match list) was I said I thought RVU’s match list was consistently better. This was definitely not even close to the bulk of my reasons why.
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Haha not salty - I actually interviewed/was accepted at RVU and think it's a fine school; they're doing a great job obviously. However, I did happen to disagree about what school would be a better fit for that poster considering their stated goals/home state.

It's just puzzling when you criticize WesternU for matching lots of people into primary care (probably the specialty most of them wanted) and said lots of these are "crappy primary care residencies" in CA (ACGME programs; likely locations they wanted in the specialty they wanted) then you go on to praise your own school's (OSU's) match list (mostly programs in OK which you admit lack "prestige") because people are matching where they want. Double standard man, but if you can't see that then oh well, I tried.

If an individual matches somewhere they wanted (in the specialty they wanted), then it's a great match for them! This applies to other schools besides just OSU...
 
GSWfan15 said:
Haha not salty - I actually interviewed/was accepted at RVU and think it's a fine school; they're doing a great job obviously. However, I did happen to disagree about what school would be a better fit for that poster considering their stated goals/home state.

It's just puzzling when you criticize WesternU for matching lots of people into primary care (probably the specialty most of them wanted) and said lots of these are "crappy primary care residencies" in CA (ACGME programs; likely locations they wanted in the specialty they wanted) then you go on to praise your own school's (OSU's) match list (mostly programs in OK which you admit lack "prestige") because people are matching where they want. Double standard man, but if you can't see that then oh well, I tried.

If an individual matches somewhere they wanted (in the specialty they wanted), then it's a great match for them! This applies to other schools besides just OSU...
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You are taking two completely different threads and scenarios and trying to blend them into one thing. They aren't analogous situations. I agree with the bolded and have never stated otherwise.

I'll be the first one to admit that if you are comparing all these match lists that way then yes it is easily the worst list here. But that isn't the point of this specific thread.
 
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recycledpaper said:
Lol @ doing OMM in the OR. That's the type of **** a surgeon would say to a DO anesthesiologist
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"A patient presents to your office with glioblastoma. What is your most appropriate next step in managing this tumor?"
"I'm going to TART it and locate the tender point, of course. Want me to show you where your AL5 tender point is?"
 
poloboy said:
"A patient presents to your office with glioblastoma. What is your most appropriate next step in managing this tumor?"
"I'm going to TART it and locate the tender point, of course. Want me to show you where your AL5 tender point is?"
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Its one of chapman’s “Other points”
 
MADD!!! said:
Just because the students got what they wanted, doesn't make the quality of the programs any better.
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It doesn't mean that Osage County Family Medicine (I made that up so nobody accuses me of insulting a real place) is suddenly on par with Harvard dermatology, but OSUCOM having 85% of their class be Oklahomans does explain why so many people likely wanted to match there. If their class consists of people from there who want to stay there for medical school, it stands to reason they'd want to stay there for residency.

Same reason that LECOM has so many matches in PA/upstate NY, OUHCOM has so many in Ohio, Western in California, etc. Obviously there are DO students who want to do competitive things at competitive places and our schools should do a better job of supporting those individuals. I'm not arguing that point in the slightest. But we also have a lot--not all, but a fair number-- of classmates who ended up at their particular DO school because they wanted to be a doctor in that region (okay and sometimes partly because they weren't a competitive MD applicant). If their goal is to match at a community program close to home I can be thrilled for them without being objectively impressed.
 
I don't understand the complaints about OSU's match list. It had a nice mix of specialties and primary care and clearly a lot of home cooking, but that class was below average on board pass rate and they still had a better than average mix of specialties. That is the definition of a good match in my opinion. If one of these new branch campuses had a class that 83(corrected)% passed on first take, there wouldn't be much mix at all, they would mostly be in primary in BFE all over.

Edit: apparently not as weak as the class before, but still below national average.
 
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poloboy said:
"A patient presents to your office with glioblastoma. What is your most appropriate next step in managing this tumor?"
"I'm going to TART it and locate the tender point, of course. Want me to show you where your AL5 tender point is?"
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Attending Neurosurgeon: NF, we have infiltrated the cavernous sinus, what do we do next to repair the aneurysm?

Me, an astute student of osteopathy and all things holistic: OMM says we treat the most serious problem first, and I think his LF hallux looks edematous, we need to drain the thoracic inlet immediately and begin pedal pumping!

Attending Neurosurgeon: omfg you're right, I submit to your sage wisdom, plz forgive my ignorance NF - I will do better.

Me: Get out of my OR, filth! You'll never be an osteopath.

Attending Neurosurgeon: *cries*
 
NecrotizingFasciitis said:
Attending Neurosurgeon: NF, we have infiltrated the cavernous sinus, what do we do next to repair the aneurysm?

Me, an astute student of osteopathy and all things holistic: OMM says we treat the most serious problem first, and I think his LF hallux looks edematous, we need to drain the thoracic inlet immediately and begin pedal pumping!

Attending Neurosurgeon: omfg you're right, I submit to your sage wisdom, plz forgive my ignorance NF - I will do better.

Me: Get out of my OR, filth! You'll never be an osteopath.

Attending Neurosurgeon: *cries*
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OSUCOM class of 2017 was the class with a 77% pass rate. class of 2018 had pass rate of 83%. We had a better first time pass rate than the class above us. The difference between the match lists comes down to individuals. More people in my class had families and wanted to stay close to home. Didn't want to post about this but the "75% pass rate" thing was making me salty lol.

source: Graduate Outcome Data | OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine | OSU Center for Health Sciences - Oklahoma State University
 
poloboy said:
"A patient presents to your office with glioblastoma. What is your most appropriate next step in managing this tumor?"
"I'm going to TART it and locate the tender point, of course. Want me to show you where your AL5 tender point is?"
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Given our current state of surgical and chemoRT for GBM, I rather take the OMM. Survival length probably not even that much different.
 
parslea said:
😛I think this begs the same question- When was it originally chill??
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It wasn't chill when I first joined and it is certainly not chill now. First time posting and visiting sdn in a long, long time because I got curious after giving a pre-med advice and now I remember why I have avoided it for so long. I saw posts regarding weak classes and weak match lists and it bothers me especially when it comes from a poster who is a 1st, 2nd or 3rd year med student. You shouldn't rely on others to pave the way for you, place the onus on yourself if you want to end up at one of the programs you consider to be strong. Sure there's going to be a lot of those places where you do not have any chance no matter how amazing you are(you should have known this going to a DO school right from the outset), but there are other places where a PD can be convinced that you would be a fantastic addition to their residency.

If the individuals of a class are happy where they matched then why does it matter how weak their class's match list looks to an outside observer. It's a rhetorical question.
 
parslea said:
😛I think this begs the same question- When was it originally chill??
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That’s a really tough idiom to use. It doesn’t mean to incite another question. It means to use false logic to make a conclusion.

This thread is way off the rails and I always struggled to remember that one.
 
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Dr.Bruh said:
To echo the above post basically nobody in my class (DO) or my dozens of friends from undergrad at MD schools give a damn about matching in a prestigious program (at least initially). 95% of DO students just want to match into the specialty they want...and that’s it. The next factor would be they’d prefer if it’s close to home. They don’t care if it’s community or academic. Being near support systems and/or family are far more important to most students that the prestige of a program. I cannot emphasize enough how essentially nobody talks or thinks about residency the way Dr.fluffy does at most DO schools and MD schools (that aren’t top tier). Which is why your back handed comments and constant desperate attempts to undermine each DO match list are a waste of your time.
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This. If you get into your first or second choice residency, then it's a good one, even if it's at Joe's Clam Shack and Hospital.

So the rest of you babbling inanely about what's good or not, quit taking a dump on the OSU grads and be happy for them.
 
NecrotizingFasciitis said:
Attending Neurosurgeon: NF, we have infiltrated the cavernous sinus, what do we do next to repair the aneurysm?

Me, an astute student of osteopathy and all things holistic: OMM says we treat the most serious problem first, and I think his LF hallux looks edematous, we need to drain the thoracic inlet immediately and begin pedal pumping!

Attending Neurosurgeon: omfg you're right, I submit to your sage wisdom, plz forgive my ignorance NF - I will do better.

Me: Get out of my OR, filth! You'll never be an osteopath.

Attending Neurosurgeon: *cries*
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When you're the only one who knows OMM, everyone else is just...USELESS.

DrfluffyMD said:
Given our current state of surgical and chemoRT for GBM, I rather take the OMM. Survival length probably not even that much different.
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...Because obviously OMM increases survival length :bow:
 
ortnakas said:
It doesn't mean that Osage County Family Medicine (I made that up so nobody accuses me of insulting a real place) is suddenly on par with Harvard dermatology, but OSUCOM having 85% of their class be Oklahomans does explain why so many people likely wanted to match there. If their class consists of people from there who want to stay there for medical school, it stands to reason they'd want to stay there for residency.

Same reason that LECOM has so many matches in PA/upstate NY, OUHCOM has so many in Ohio, Western in California, etc. Obviously there are DO students who want to do competitive things at competitive places and our schools should do a better job of supporting those individuals. I'm not arguing that point in the slightest. But we also have a lot--not all, but a fair number-- of classmates who ended up at their particular DO school because they wanted to be a doctor in that region (okay and sometimes partly because they weren't a competitive MD applicant). If their goal is to match at a community program close to home I can be thrilled for them without being objectively impressed.
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That's exactly my point. I'm thrilled for them too, but don't be coming and saying it's a PERFECT match list. That's exactly what I was trying to get at.
 
Goro said:
This. If you get into your first or second choice residency, then it's a good one, even if it's at Joe's Clam Shack and Hospital.
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100% would have ranked Joe’s Clam Shack and Hospital in my top 4 had it been a real place. Sounds like a place with free food and no snow! (/s... mostly)
 
(Accidental quote fail —> double post)
MADD!!! said:
That's exactly my point. I'm thrilled for them too, but don't be coming and saying it's a PERFECT match list. That's exactly what I was trying to get at.
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Sorry to have quoted you in my rant then. Sounds like we meant exactly the same thing!

Mostly goes to show these annual threads are interesting but ultimately pointless; we can point out some objectively good matches, but there’s no way to differentiate between the subjectively good ones and the bad ones.
 
Skynnyrd said:
OSUCOM class of 2017 was the class with a 77% pass rate. class of 2018 had pass rate of 83%. We had a better first time pass rate than the class above us. The difference between the match lists comes down to individuals. More people in my class had families and wanted to stay close to home. Didn't want to post about this but the "75% pass rate" thing was making me salty lol.

source: Graduate Outcome Data | OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine | OSU Center for Health Sciences - Oklahoma State University
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Mea culpa on the percent, I copied someone elses number on faith, I have edited the comment to reflect. Congrats on matching, I still think your match list is good and I am quite jealous of your home programs.
 
Goro said:
This. If you get into your first or second choice residency, then it's a good one, even if it's at Joe's Clam Shack and Hospital.

So the rest of you babbling inanely about what's good or not, quit taking a dump on the OSU grads and be happy for them.
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I disagree, and here’s why:

https://www.usnews.com/education/be...-to-get-their-first-choice-residency?slide=11

Take a look! Nova had 232 grads ALL matching into their first choice residency!! They must be the best med school in the US, because no ivy leagues are listed on that page.

Why should someone attend an MD school when STATISTICALLY more DO schools are getting their first choice matches?! Please point out the flaws here, or just call all of these DO schools perfect
 
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