2018 Match List

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Ho0v-man said:
Is that before or after the google doc was filled out?
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We do our own google doc as a class for fun starting at the AOA match, it is not mandatory, and only about 40 people filled out our google drive doc this year. Our schools (SOMAs) match list was sent to us via email on a non-editable official document that listed what I stated above for every applicant in our class (108 students).

The administration publishes a full list in conjunction with ATSU-KCOM that comes out in late April.

Not sure why you are being naive and picking a fight about this, if you don’t go there then you obviously have no understanding of the behind the scenes stuff that goes on.
 
Marian COM 2018 Match List

ANESTHESIA
McLaren Greater Lansing Lansing MI
Indiana University School of Medicine (3) Indianapolis IN
Wayne State University School of Med Pontiac MI
University of Illinois COM Chicago IL
Allegheny General Hospital Pittsburgh PA

DERMATOLOGY
St. Joseph Mercy Clinton Township MI
Largo Medical Center Largo FL

EMERGENCY MEDICINE
St. Barnabas Hospital Bronx NY
Lakeland Health (2) Saint Joseph MI
Metro Health Hospital - Univ of MI Wyoming MI
Henry Ford Allegiance Health Jackson MI
Wright Patterson AFB Medical Center Dayton OH
Franciscan Health Emergency Medicine Olympia Fields IL
McLaren Oakland Mount Clemens MI
ProMedica Monroe Regional Hospital Monroe MI
University at Buffalo School of Medicine (2) Buffalo NY
UCF COM/GME Consortium Gainesville FL
SIU SOM & Affilliate Hospitals Springfield IL
Comanche County Memorial Hospital Lawton OK
Cape Fear Valley Medical Center Fayetteville NC
Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital Wyandotte MI

FAMILY MEDICINE
St Vincent Hospital (4) Indianapolis IN
Indiana University School of Medicine (4) Indianapolis IN
Union Hospital Terre Haute IN
St Francis Hospital Center (4) Indianapolis IN
Indiana University Health Ball Memorial (2) Muncie IN
CommuniCare Inst. for GME & Research San Antonio TX
Univ of Arizona COM at South Campus Tucson AZ
Community Health Network (6) Indianapolis IN
St. Josephs Regional Medical Center (2) Mishawaka IN
Fort Wayne Medical Education Program (3) Fort Wayne IN
University of Virginia Charlottesville VA
Munson Medical Center Traverse City MI
Bethesda Hospital (2) Cincinnati OH
Mike O'Callaghan Federal Hospital Nellis AF Base NV
Trident Medical Center Charleston SC
Texas Tech University El Paso TX
Reid Health (2) Richmond IN
Medical College of Wisconsin Appleton WI
Genesys Regional Med Center Grand Blanc MI
Maine-Dartmouth FM Program Augusta ME
Grant Medical Center Columbus OH
Lake Cumberland Somerset KY

INTERNAL MEDICINE
Lower Bucks Hospital Bristol PA
Desert Regional Medical Center Palm Springs CA
Indiana University School of Medicine Indianapolis IN
Mercy Health (2) Muskegon MI
Henry Ford Hospital Detroit MI
University of Illinois COM (2) Chicago IL
Mountain Vista Medical Center Mesa AZ
Christ Hospital (2) Cincinnati OH
St Vincent Hospital (8) Indianapolis IN
Ochsner Clinic Foundation New Orleans LA
Lakeland Health St. Joseph MI
University of Texas Medical Branch (2) Galveston TX
St John Macomb-Oakland Hospital (2) Warren MI
University of Chicago Medical Center Chicago IL
St. Joseph Mercy Ann Arbor MI
Medical College of Wisconsin Milwaukee WI
Western Reserve Cuyahoga Falls OH

GENERAL SURGERY
Henry Ford Macomb Clinton Township MI
Drexel University Philadelphia PA
HealthONE Englewood CO
St Vincent Hospital Indianapolis IN

IM/EM
Aria Health Philadelphia PA

NEUROLOGY
Larkin Community Hospital South Miami FL
Indiana University School of Medicine Indianapolis IN

OB/GYN
McLaren Greater Lansing Lansing MI
St Vincent Hospital Indianapolis IN
Kennedy University/Our Lady of Lourdes Stratford NJ
University of Tennessee Memphis TN
Good Samaritan Hospital Cincinnati OH
Indiana University School of Medicine Indianapolis IN
Central Michigan University Saginaw MI

ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY
Doctors Hospital Columbus OH

OMM/NMM
MSUCOM East Lansing MI

PEDIATRICS
St Vincent Hospital (2) Indianapolis IN
Eastern Virginia Medical School Norfolk VA
Nationwide Childrens Hospital Columbus OH
Indiana University School of Medicine Indianapolis IN
Palmetto Health Columbia SC
University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM
Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Baton Rouge LA
University of Illinois- St Francis Peoria IL

PHYSICAL MEDICINE AND REHABILITATION
Case Western Cleveland OH
NYU School of Medicine New York NY
SUNY Upstate Syracuse NY
University of North Carolina Chapel Hill NC

PRELIM NEUROSURGERY/GEN SURGERY
University of Texas Medical Branch Houston TX

PSYCHIATRY
Community Health Network (2) Indianapolis IN
University of Kansas Wichita KS
Pine Rest Christian Mental Health Grand Rapids MI
West Virginia University Morgantown WV
University of Toledo Toledo OH
Griffin Memorial Hospital Norman OK
University of South Alabama Mobile AL

RADIOLOGY
Oakwood Hospital Dearborn MI

TRI
MSUCOM/McLaren Oakland Pontiac MI
St. Anthony Hospital Oklahoma City OK
Allegheny Health Network Pittsburgh PA
Arnot Health Elmira NY

TY
Navy Medical Center (2) San Diego CA
William Beaumont Army Center El Paso TX
St Lucie Medical Center Port St Lucie FL

UROLOGICAL SURGERY
St John Providence Warren MI
 
SLC said:
It’s a great match, but UCSF has been taking DO’s for at least the past 3 years. One of my SOMA classmates from 2015 matched there. She may have been the first.
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TIL. I knew UCSF Fresno took DOs but I never knew the OG accepted them too
 
SLC said:
Yep, my classmate is at the SF main campus.
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UCSF and Stanford pathology both took DOs. I think last year this field match 35% American grads if memory serves.
 
Anyone have a list of WVSOM's match, by any chance?! I've been checking their site at least 8 times/day for the past few weeks, and still nothing =(
 
py335 said:
Anyone have a list of WVSOM's match, by any chance?! I've been checking their site at least 8 times/day for the past few weeks, and still nothing =(
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They won’t post it. You have to email them and ask for it.
 
How long till the nrmp puts the complete charting out?
 
NecFasc92 said:
Agreed. Too many politics involved.

DO pointless outcomes 2.0 🙁
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Honestly, it's worse than useless. It was actively bad to publish the last one with that incomplete info. It paints a misleading picture by not including the absolutely undebatably most important aspect of an application (particularly DO). There is so much to glean from the added perspective. General surgery match statistics are a great example of this. If the numbers are 60% or whatever but most of those people had no USMLE or mediocre scores I'm not exactly surprised as they got typical bad DO advising. If most of these dudes are getting 240 and still not matching we have something to talK about.
 
Neopolymath said:
Honestly, it's worse than useless. It was actively bad to publish the last one with that incomplete info. It paints a misleading picture by not including the absolutely undebatably most important aspect of an application (particularly DO). There is so much to glean from the added perspective. General surgery match statistics are a great example of this. If the numbers are 60% or whatever but most of those people had no USMLE or mediocre scores I'm not exactly surprised as they got typical bad DO advising. If most of these dudes are getting 240 and still not matching we have something to talK about.
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Yep. Almost every single person I know that applied to GS with above a 230 matched, whether they were someone in real life or someone I reached out to on SDN. There was one exception. I agree the last Outcomes published was worthless. I was really hoping they would throw Step scores on there this time but I think you're right and that they won't. Aggravating.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Yep. Almost every single person I know that applied to GS with above a 230 matched, whether they were someone in real life or someone I reached out to on SDN. There was one exception. I agree the last Outcomes published was worthless. I was really hoping they would throw Step scores on there this time but I think you're right and that they won't. Aggravating.
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i dont think they will throw step scores on there until the class of 2020. Many people in my class choose to no take it because of the AOA myths that they believe about comlex= usmle . The class of 2019 is the last year we will have the aoa match and i think its the last year they wont publish step scores for DO matching applicants
 
Since Step scores aren't being posted, what the best way to interpret the report? Just disregard and aim for numbers higher than the MD one?
 
ohmanwaddup said:
Since Step scores aren't being posted, what the best way to interpret the report? Just disregard and aim for numbers higher than the MD one?
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i suppose you could go through that path. the Frieda system is flawed so i wouldn't use that . next best idea is stick with old AOAs that have been given initial accreditation into the acgme and stick with comlex score standards for the specialty
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
i suppose you could go through that path. the Frieda system is flawed so i wouldn't use that . next best idea is stick with old AOAs that have been given initial accreditation into the acgme and stick with comlex score standards for the specialty
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How is Frieda flawed? Clueless incoming student here.
 
Neopolymath said:
It is not updated and has many inaccuracies. All you can do is apply to programs you know aren't anti-do either via the grapevine or good old residency roster creeping. The key is to have better scores than your MD competitors.
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And/or audition rotations, which never get stressed on importance on SDN.
 
MADD!!! said:
And/or audition rotations, which never get stressed on importance on SDN.
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In the DO world audition are huge but as we start in this brave new ACGME only match things will change. 1. According to a few program directors at my hospital, audition rotation at OLD AOAs are still king. Nothing says i want to come here like spending a month rotating through when they know realistically you can only go to 4 auditions at most. So if you wanna match at a certain place thats an old AOA, audition there. 2. Apply broadly. 3. Aoa directors used to be able to give you "good feedback" and let you know you had a spot at the program in the past, now with the whole initial accreditation they don't want to risk it so they won't do that anymore. 4. looking at residency rosters > beats frieda stats. This has been told to be by multiple people in this years match and in the past. Just because there is 1 do in the program, doesnt mean they are DO friendly. Look for a trend 1-2 a year is a good sign.
 
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Neopolymath said:
It's commonly cited as generally not advisable unless you meet a few specific scenarios and specific fields.
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I've never heard of this. Every PD I've spoken to has specifically noted the importance of audition rotations. It's their only chance they get to see how you are as a clinician as opposed to a set of numbers on a piece of paper.
 
Dr.Jekyll75 said:
In the DO world audition are huge but as we start in this brave new ACGME only match things will change. 1. According to a few program directors at my hospital, audition rotation at OLD AOAs are still king. Nothing says i want to come here like spending a month rotating through when they know realistically you can only go to 4 auditions at most. So if you wanna match at a certain place thats an old AOA, audition there. 2. Apply broadly. 3. Aoa directors used to be able to give you "good feedback" and let you know you had a spot at the program in the past, now with the whole initial accreditation they don't want to risk it so they won't do that anymore. 4. looking at residency rosters > beats frieda stats. This has been told to be by multiple people in this years match and in the past. Just because there is 1 do in the program, doesnt mean they are DO friendly. Look for a trend 1-2 a year is a good sign.
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Declining #s of DO's from year to year is a bad sign. Not just having DO's from year to year. But in general, I am a proponent of audition rotations, especially at reach programs.

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Doesn't an average medical student in an average medical school have adequate clinical education, and thus shall function well as a clinician in a residency program. Unless the quality of the education is questionable, then audition rotations are needed.
 
MADD!!! said:
I've never heard of this. Every PD I've spoken to has specifically noted the importance of audition rotations. It's their only chance they get to see how you are as a clinician as opposed to a set of numbers on a piece of paper.
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Old school AOA PDs, as stated before, agree with what you said. On the ACGME side of things the general consensus is not to do aways unless the specific field has a culture of aways (most surgery etc), you are sure you will perform well in a new environment and aren't going to do poorly (difficult for MD but particularly hard for DO students new to academic centers etc), and it is a program that you aren't particularly competitive for on paper or a place that you have no idea if it is DO friendly or not. Reserve them for reach programs and formerly AOA programs.

I think it is important to remember that everyone thinks that they are just going to go on an away and do great, but just like boards/mcat, that's just not the case. You have a whole month of facetime to put your foot in your mouth/**** up ONCE to kiss your chances at matching at the program goodbye. Most DOs don't have great exposure to academic medicine and won't gel with the team as quickly as their MD counterparts even if they have superior knowledge base and will thus look worse. Aways are for punching above your weight and making connections/getting letters more than anything. It's not something you do at a program that should extend you an interview based on your stats anyways. For example, someone going into IM with a 240 is better to just apply broadly and get interviews instead of spend a month somewhere with an unfamiliar EMR and whatnot and remove all doubt that the program doesn't want to interview them.
 
Neopolymath said:
Aways are for punching above your weight and making connections/getting letters more than anything. It's not something you do at a program that should extend you an interview based on your stats anyways.
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Agreed, it's slightly better than a Hail Mary pass and ideal for reaches that you wouldn't have a shot at otherwise. And for sure you should do well in these.

I acknowledge that you may or may not overestimate your abilities but that isn't for me to say. If it's a reach to begin with then if you do bad then nothing lost and if you do well then the world may be your oyster so to speak.

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Neopolymath said:
Old school AOA PDs, as stated before, agree with what you said. On the ACGME side of things the general consensus is not to do aways unless the specific field has a culture of aways (most surgery etc), you are sure you will perform well in a new environment and aren't going to do poorly (difficult for MD but particularly hard for DO students new to academic centers etc), and it is a program that you aren't particularly competitive for on paper or a place that you have no idea if it is DO friendly or not. Reserve them for reach programs and formerly AOA programs.

I think it is important to remember that everyone thinks that they are just going to go on an away and do great, but just like boards/mcat, that's just not the case. You have a whole month of facetime to put your foot in your mouth/**** up ONCE to kiss your chances at matching at the program goodbye. Most DOs don't have great exposure to academic medicine and won't gel with the team as quickly as their MD counterparts even if they have superior knowledge base and will thus look worse. Aways are for punching above your weight and making connections/getting letters more than anything. It's not something you do at a program that should extend you an interview based on your stats anyways. For example, someone going into IM with a 240 is better to just apply broadly and get interviews instead of spend a month somewhere with an unfamiliar EMR and whatnot and remove all doubt that the program doesn't want to interview them.
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Definitely something I need to follow-up on/learn more about. We have hospital days at our school and literally every PD says do an away with us. But then again, these are all AOA/former AOA programs.
 
Neopolymath said:
Old school AOA PDs, as stated before, agree with what you said. On the ACGME side of things the general consensus is not to do aways unless the specific field has a culture of aways (most surgery etc), you are sure you will perform well in a new environment and aren't going to do poorly (difficult for MD but particularly hard for DO students new to academic centers etc), and it is a program that you aren't particularly competitive for on paper or a place that you have no idea if it is DO friendly or not. Reserve them for reach programs and formerly AOA programs.

I think it is important to remember that everyone thinks that they are just going to go on an away and do great, but just like boards/mcat, that's just not the case. You have a whole month of facetime to put your foot in your mouth/**** up ONCE to kiss your chances at matching at the program goodbye. Most DOs don't have great exposure to academic medicine and won't gel with the team as quickly as their MD counterparts even if they have superior knowledge base and will thus look worse. Aways are for punching above your weight and making connections/getting letters more than anything. It's not something you do at a program that should extend you an interview based on your stats anyways. For example, someone going into IM with a 240 is better to just apply broadly and get interviews instead of spend a month somewhere with an unfamiliar EMR and whatnot and remove all doubt that the program doesn't want to interview them.
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Also, some MD applicants did top tier aways and got courtesy interview invites but they had no intention of actually ranking them high (the aways being their only top interviews). Some programs may interview everyone who does an away but it's hard to elevate your position on the list if too low to begin with. So just important to be aware of the risk involved with these, but for DOs I think they're a good idea if can afford it.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This is why. In the ACGME/MD world aways are pretty much non-existent except for certain fields. It’s actually discouraged most of the time.
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What are your thoughts on it for Psychiatry and Family Medicine (trying to lock in a specific region).
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This is why. In the ACGME/MD world aways are pretty much non-existent except for certain fields. It’s actually discouraged most of the time.
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huh i never knew that. i always thought it was a good opportunity for students to see if they like the program
 
fldoctorgirl said:
Can someone post KCU's list (or at least, noteworthy matches)? I've tried like twice to get into the FB group but keep getting rejected....🙁

Edit: Never mind someone added me!
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Do you mind posting the list or messaging me the group? Thanks!!
 
pandavo said:
Do you mind posting the list or messaging me the group? Thanks!!
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So it's not really a list, more just some people posting their matches. So, kind of hard to post on here 😛

Are you an incoming student? I can get you added to the group if so!
 
Again, I'm just a clueless incoming student trying to become as informed as possible on what best to do, even though match is 4 years away. (I messed up in college by not looking into what was needed to be competitive until Junior Year and don't want to repeat that) I always got the impression that audition rotations were a necessity, now people are saying the opposite.

Would anyone mind making a list of things that make applicants competitive / extras that are unspokenly considered required to have before applying? I'm plan on primary care, but am hoping to match in the NYC area for family reasons.
 
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