2021-2022 Pain Fellowship Application Thread

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Bandwagon1 said:
For those who are interviewing at VA Greater Los Angeles on 5/18, did y'all get any info yet? The person that called said that they would be sending an email on 5/11 but I haven't gotten anything yet.
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The program called to invite you to interview?? Wow, talk about customer service...
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GandalfTheWhite said:
You would’ve expected that the program would account for this. 🤷🏽‍♂️
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Show me the program that immediately doubled administrative support and increased the amount of nonclinical time given to staff to review all of these applications, and I'll show you a liar.
 
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adiradirim said:
Well it's the anesthesia department based pain fellowships that are extending offers to the non-anesthesia applicants. You can't blame the applicants, especially when programs have interest in non-anesthesia applicants over the anesthesia applicants.

"Don't hate the player, hate the game"
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The percentage of anesthesia vs non-anesthesia applicants hasn't appreciably changed in the past few years. Besides, the ACGME set up Pain Medicine as a multi-disciplinary fellowship. It is a requirement to be trained by faculty from multiple disciplines as a part of the fellowship experience. It is expected, although not enforced, that all fellowships would consider multiple disciplines as applicants.
 
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Last year's interview dates:
  1. Albany Medical Center (1/9) - 5/8, 5/15, 6/26
  2. UCLA David Geffen SOM (1/10) - 3/13, 3/25, 4/10
  3. Allegheny (1/28) - 4/9, 4/16, 4/23, 4/30, 5/7, 5/14
  4. University of Kentucky (1/28) - 4/21, 4/28, 5/5, 5/12
  5. Emory University (2/3, 4/6) - 3/22, 5/17, 5/30, 6/14, 6/27
  6. UNM (2/5) - 3/27, 4/24, 5/8
  7. Dartmouth (2/11, 3/4) - 5/1, 5/8, 5/15, 6/1
  8. UMMS-Baystate (2/13) - 6/18, 6/25, 7/16, 8/6, 8/13
  9. University of Buffalo (2/13) - 3/27
  10. University of Kansas (2/18) - 5/4
  11. Cook County (2/21) - 3/4, 4/8
  12. University of Maryland (2/21) - 5/4, 5/11, 5/18, 6/1
  13. University of Wisconsin (2/28) - 5/6, 5/13
  14. University of Louisville (3/2) - 5/15, 6/12
  15. UNC (3/4) - 6/8, 6/9
  16. University of Nebraska (3/5) - 5/4, 5/18
  17. University of Michigan (3/9) - 4/18
  18. OHSU (3/10) - 4/3, 4/10, 4/17, 4/24, 5/1, 5/8, 5/9, 6/5, 6/26, 7/10, 7/17, 7/24, 8/21
  19. Rush (3/10, 3/26) - 5/2, 5/7, 5/28, 6/11
  20. Medical College of Georgia (3/12) - 4/27, 5/4, 6/1
  21. MD Anderson/UT Houston (3/13) - 5/30, 6/6
  22. Virginia Mason (3/16) - 5/11, 5/18, 6/8
  23. Wake Forest (3/22) - 4/4, 4/25
  24. Northwestern (3/23, 4/7, 4/28) - 3/27, 4/3, 4/24 [all via phone]
  25. Vanderbilt (3/24) - 5/15, 6/12, 6/19
  26. Mount Sinai (3/27) - 7/31, 8/14, 8/28
  27. UCSF (3/30) - 6/8, 6/15, 6/22
  28. UC Davis (4/4) - 5/11, 5/18, 6/1, 6/2
  29. Stanford (4/6) - 5/1, 5/8, 6/5
  30. UAB (4/8) - 5/26, 6/8
  31. Mayo Clinic, Arizona (4/8) - 8/19, 8/21
  32. UC Irvine (4/8) - 6/1, 6/5
  33. MGH (4/8) - 6/8, 7/13, 7/24
  34. UPMC (4/9) - 5/15, 5/29, 7/17
  35. University of Washington (4/9, 4/24) - 6/26, 7/10, 8/21
  36. MCW (4/10) - 5/8, 5,14, 5/18, 6/5, 6/12, 6/25 (all virtual)
  37. Duke (4/10) - 7/25, 8/1, 8/15
  38. NYP/Columbia (4/13) - 6/16, 6/22, 7/11 x2, 7/17, 8/3, 8/8 x2
  39. Utah (4/14) - 6/12, 6/26 (virtual meet & greets in April)
  40. Cedars Sinai (4/15) - 4/17, 4/22, 4/24, 5/1, 5/6
  41. Iowa (4/15, 5/4) - 4/24, 4/27, 5/1, 5/4, 5/8, 5/11, 5/14, 5/18
  42. Oklahoma (4/15) - 5/29, 6/5
  43. University of Minnesota (4/16, 4/23) - 6/4, 6/5, 6/18, 6/19
  44. University of Arizona (4/16) - 5/22, 6/5, 6/19
  45. University of Arkansas (4/16, 4/22) - 6/12, 7/10
  46. Wash U (4/17, 4/22) - 5/4, 5/8, 5/18, 5/22
  47. UCSD (4/19, 4/23) - 6/5, 7/13, 7/16, 7/18
  48. Mt. Sinai - St. Lukes (4/20) - 8/13
  49. University of Chicago (4/20, 4/29) - 5/1, 5/22, 5/29
  50. Cleveland Clinic (4/20) -
  51. Penn State (4/21) - 5/18, 5/29, 6/1 (all virtual)
  52. UT San Antonio (4/23) - filled outside match
  53. University of Florida (4/23) - 5/1, 5/12
  54. UT Southwestern (4/23) - 6/5, 6/12, 6/19
  55. University of Toledo (4/27) - 5/22, 5/29, 6/5, 6/12
  56. Case Western (MetroHealth) (4/28) - 6/1, 6/8, 6/15, 6/22
  57. University of Rochester (4/29) - 5/21, 6/4, 6/10, 6/18, 7/16
  58. VCU (4/29) - 5/8, 5/15, 6/19
  59. West LA VA (4/30) - 5/12
  60. Loma Linda (4/30) - 8/10, 8/14
  61. UVA (5/1) - 5/20, 5/29, 6/3a, 6/3p, 6/10, 6/24a, 6/24p
  62. Cincinnati Children's (5/1) - 5/15
  63. University of Vermont (5/4) - 6/22, 6/26, 7/10
  64. Ohio State University (5/6) - 6/1, 6/8
  65. Mayo Clinic, Rochester (5/6) - 6/15, 6/16
  66. SUNY Upstate (5/7) -
  67. University of Colorado (5/8) - 6/5
  68. Mayo Clinic, Jacksonville (5/11) – 6/5, 6/8
  69. Zucker School of Medicine Hofstra/Northwell (5/11) - 5/15, 5/22
  70. University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program (5/12) - 5/14,15,19,21,26,28,29, 6/4 and 6/11
  71. Henry Ford Hospital/Wayne State University Program (5/12) - ?
  72. Beth Israel (5/15) - 7/13, 7/20, 7/27
  73. UPenn (5/19) -7/7, 7/15, 7/22, 7/31
  74. BWH (5/21): 6/4, 6/11, 6/18, 6/25
  75. Texas Tech (5/22): 6/5, 6/12, 6/19, 6/26
  76. NYU (5/26): 6/2, 6/4, 6/9, 6/11, 6/16, 6/18, 6/23, 6/25, 6/30, 7/7, 7/9, 7/14, 7/16, 7/21, 7/23, 7/28, 7/30
  77. University of Michigan (5/28, 5/29): 6/20, 6/27, 7/25
  78. USC (Southern Cali) (6/1/20): 6/15, 6/22, 6/29
  79. LSU (6/2): 6/17, 6/24, 7/1, 7/22
  80. Case Western (6/7): 6/10, 6/11, 6/13, 6/16/, 6/18, 6/20
  81. Johns Hopkins (5/29): 7/9, 7/16, 7/18, 7/23
  82. Baylor, Scott & White (6/9): 6/27
  83. Jackson Memorial/ University of Miami (6/9): 7/6, 7/7
  84. Cornell (6/27): 7/17, 8/4, 8/14, 8/21, 9/4, 9/11
 
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How many interviews are you shooting for this year?
 
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Quick question, it has been a long time and I feel like an idiot but when the nrmp ultimately opens up for match, how do we get our nrmp ID to programs for distribution to programs? Is it solely via the ERAS application or do people generally email individual programs? My ERAS is acting up and being pretty glitchy so I figured I'd just email program coordinators
 
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My amigo said:
Quick question, it has been a long time and I feel like an idiot but when the nrmp ultimately opens up for match, how do we get our nrmp ID to programs for distribution to programs? Is it solely via the ERAS application or do people generally email individual programs? My ERAS is acting up and being pretty glitchy so I figured I'd just email program coordinators
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They don't need it anymore. You don't need to do anything. ERAS closed before NRMP opens.
 
does anyone have updated reviews/impressions on the following programs:
Columbia
Mt Sinai
Cedars Sinai
Cleveland Clinic
Kansas
NYU
Montefiore
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
does anyone have updated reviews/impressions on the following programs:
Columbia
Mt Sinai
Cedars Sinai
Cleveland Clinic
Kansas
NYU
Montefiore
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Columbia: faculty were odd, fellows were somewhat odd as well. One fellow kept talking about how columbia’s name “opened doors” for him, but the job he got was somewhere in the woods. So I’m not sure what he meant by that. LOL.

Mount Sinai: you have to be able to tolerate the culture at Sinai in general, but its probably about average nationally as a program. Bread and butter procedures, split amongst 8 fellows (although i haven’t heard that bread and butter numbers are necessarily a problem there).

Cedars-Sinai: IMG friendly, but not a particularly strong fellowship, especially in a state with Stanford, UCSD, UCSF, UCLA etc. Will deal with arrogant, entitled patients who won’t let you touch them. Forced anesthesia OR trauma call. You have 1 year to learn Pain, which is a very short period of time. don’t spend it dealing with entitled idiots and forced anesthesia OR work (even if in-house call is not often, it still detracts from your ability to learn Pain, as in-house call has indirect effects like fatigue etc). This is all aside from dealing with LA quality of life issues.

Cleveland Clinic: what can I say? This is where all the innovations in Pain happen. This place has been at the forefront of chronic and acute pain for decades. Probably a top 3 program.

NYU: asked one the fellows what they like about their program the most, they said “we don’t work much”. And that was it. LMFAO. Nothing else. Although the fellows didn’t seem unhappy. Maybe it’s because they were the type of people to be happy doing less work. NYU are known for often taking not the best applicants, and the tough part about the local politics is that its overshadowed by some of the other places in NYC in terms of prestige, and by local I mean literally blocks away (except for Sinai, because while Sinai might be a better program, most laypeople outside of NYC don’t know who or what a Mount Sinai is, NYU would be more recognizable than Sinai in that sense, if you’re planning on leaving the tristate area).

montefiore: good program, the PD will have your back, great exposure. It’s based out of the PM&R dept for what its worth. But it’s better than most other places in NYC.
 
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between Columbia, Hofstra and NYU thoughts? Asking based on strength of training not so much the location etc...
Hofstra is newer but they seem to have some impressive numbers for advanced procedures?
 
gotosleep1098 said:
between Columbia, Hofstra and NYU thoughts? Asking based on strength of training not so much the location etc...
Hofstra is newer but they seem to have some impressive numbers for advanced procedures?
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3 very different programs. Hofstra was formerly the Dr. Kenneth Chapman unaccredited position which was very successful in getting people into good ACGME fellowships after they finished his fellowship. His Fellows did research with him as well, and ended up with lots of publications prior to matching to ACGME positions. The main reason behind the clinical experience is the fact that it’s a private practice model, for better or for worse. The positives, in general, of doing a fellowship at a place with such a model is the procedures/numbers. The main negative, is that it creates opportunities for scutwork/being used as cheap labor. That’s not to say that it doesn’t happen in big name academic places though, until recently, Cornell was fairly well known for scutting out Pain fellows

NYU on the other hand, you may not get the same procedural exposure, but your hours might be better on average.

Columbia is a different beast altogether, I think someone who would be happy at the other programs would not be happy at Columbia, and vice versa
 
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Can anyone comment on MGH? I haven't been able to find a ton of information about their program. Thank you
 
PainApp2021 said:
Can anyone comment on MGH? I haven't been able to find a ton of information about their program. Thank you
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More academic, but maybe a bit less interventional than the other 2 Harvards
 
just a reminder that match registration opens up tomorrow.
From my understanding, there is no need to input your NRMP ID into ERAS or to send it to the programs you have interviewed at. As long as you put your correct AAMC ID when registering for the NRMP, the programs will have access to your NRMP ID.
 
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paindoc503 said:
just a reminder that match registration opens up tomorrow.
From my understanding, there is no need to input your NRMP ID into ERAS or to send it to the programs you have interviewed at. As long as you put your correct AAMC ID when registering for the NRMP, the programs will have access to your NRMP ID.
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IDK, but I am going to email all of them my NRMP just in case.
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
Better than not matching due to clerical error? Plus I imagine it’s the coordinators job to sift through these emails.
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Coordinators/program mangers/fellowship directors are generally paid very little if anything extra to manage fellowship programs. Keep things simple for them and they'll love you. At this stage, you need to make sure you're not creating work for others as it'll burn you later.

I might consolidate your emails to the PDs/coordinators with a simple follow up, positive reinforcement, question, clarification, etc and BTW here's my NRMP in the header/signature.
 
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Are your guy's NRMP ID the same as the one you applied with for residency?
 
How do these programs actually get your NRMP and appropriately rank you without the ID number being included in the ERAS application? Can they search you by name or by AAMC #?
 
Norepi said:
How do these programs actually get your NRMP and appropriately rank you without the ID number being included in the ERAS application? Can they search you by name or by AAMC #?
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AAMC#, per the NRMP website
 
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Better than not matching due to clerical error? Plus I imagine it’s the coordinators job to sift through these emails.
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Describe the clerical error that could occur please. They use your AAMC number--your NRMP number is useless for them.
 
Orin said:
Coordinators/program mangers/fellowship directors are generally paid very little if anything extra to manage fellowship programs. Keep things simple for them and they'll love you. At this stage, you need to make sure you're not creating work for others as it'll burn you later.

I might consolidate your emails to the PDs/coordinators with a simple follow up, positive reinforcement, question, clarification, etc and BTW here's my NRMP in the header/signature.
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Right. I was going to do it as an update letter with a new research pub, etc... and heres my NRMP by the way sort of this. Pretty much as you suggested.
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Describe the clerical error that could occur please. They use your AAMC number--your NRMP number is useless for them.
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Why even use the NRMP number at all then?
 
cluelessmedstudent411 said:
'Tis the season to be anxious again!

Starting tomorrow, fellowships will be able to view applications.

Here is the google doc for this year's cycle: 2021-2022 Chronic Pain Application Cycle

Good luck everyone and may the odds be ever in your favor.

Those that applied recently, any advice for this year's applicants? How were the zoom interviews?
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Not sure why we got locked out of the google spreadsheet (myself included), but it should be available to all now. Sorry for any panic.
 
Anyone with a comprehensive list of programs who accept j1s? *cries in IMG*
 
Anyone have thoughts regarding Johns Hopkins? I had thought it was a fairly strong program with well known faculty. Procedural volume seemed ok - not amazing and not horrible.
 
Anyone know where we can find match stats from last year? Stats like % of ppl match to 1st choice, 2nd choice etc? Would love to see how virtual interviews have changed these compared to previous years.
 
NoFlyZone said:
Anyone have thoughts regarding Johns Hopkins? I had thought it was a fairly strong program with well known faculty. Procedural volume seemed ok - not amazing and not horrible.
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The procedural experience will be more than sufficient, but the connections and the name are the real benefit. Believe me, Pain is a small world. It matters a LOT.
 
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Anyone have thoughts regarding Johns Hopkins? I had thought it was a fairly strong program with well known faculty. Procedural volume seemed ok - not amazing and not horrible.
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so Hopkins is interesting. In terms of brand name, that’s certainly there. I don’t think they’re leading the pack in terms of interventional numbers but you’ll graduate there with a sufficient number to be proficient (and not have to start from scratch as an attending).

there’s a young faculty member there who is really into PNS. Of course Dr. D of pain rounds fame is there but not sure how much clinical work she’s doing these days.

overall just make sure the culture there is good. Yes you can do anything for a year but you don’t want to be around people who belittle you, make you do scut work, etc when you could be out there making 300-400k as an anesthesiologist this year.
 
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