23 or below MCAT score ?

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I would like to find a 3.0+/3.0+/23 MCAT individual who applied to the 10 schools I listed and did not receive a single interview. If you are reading please chime in.
 
user3 said:
I would like to find a 3.0+/3.0+/23 MCAT individual who applied to the 10 schools I listed and did not receive a single interview. If you are reading please chime in.
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Why interview and not acceptance?

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Columbia09 said:
If it does than why are there people wh do get in with that score or lower ?
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And why the hell would you ever want to generalize the results of one person with those stats that got in when 10+ did not? Honestly, these are not complicated statistics.
 
user3 said:
I would like to find a 3.0+/3.0+/23 MCAT individual who applied to the 10 schools I listed and did not receive a single interview. If you are reading please chime in.
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The average rejected student to DO schools has stats above that. Source: AACOM
 
Edit: DO rejects from last cycle that applied early and broadly or people that have applied early and broadly this year but not received an acceptance, please chime in and give us details like stats, where you were interviewed/rejected/etc.
 
im not trying to argue what is possible or impossible with you. anything is possible. maybe the stars align and your application is in just the right light on the adcom's desk and you get in with a 2.2 gpa and a 20 mcat. the deal is, don't get a 23 mcat. and if you do, reassess who you are and where your application is failing, and if you're really cut out for medical school. because i saw quite a number of people who are really nice and "would've made great doctors" wash out because they got in over their heads.
 
user3 said:
Edit: DO rejects from last cycle that applied early and broadly or people that have applied early and broadly this year but received no acceptances, please chime in and give us details like stats, where you were interviewed/rejected/etc.
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1) Anecdotes ain't worth squat.
2) Your claims are borderline unfalsifiable.

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sonofva said:
im not trying to argue what is possible or impossible with you. anything is possible. maybe the stars align and your application is in just the right light on the adcom's desk and you get in with a 2.2 gpa and a 20 mcat. the deal is, don't get a 23 mcat. and if you do, reassess who you are and where your application is failing, and if you're really cut out for medical school. because i saw quite a number of people who are really nice and "would've made great doctors" wash out because they got in over their heads.
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Eh, I think it's more important to reassess your study habits for the mcat. If you got a 2.8 and after 3 times you couldn't make it past a 23, then you need to reconsider med school.
 
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also, the "underdogs" that i have seen succeed are mostly those who have a rough start and show a strong upward trend at the end of their career (ie - partying too hard freshman year). in these cases it is a rocky start, and not an inability to take standardized tests that is slowing them down.
 
serenade said:
1) Anecdotes ain't worth squat.
2) You're claims are borderline unfalsifiable.

End: Mediocrity is not a trait for medical school applications




Eh, I think it's more important to reassess your study habits for the mcat. If you got a 2.8 and after 3 times you couldn't make it past a 23, then you need to reconsider med school.
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i agree with you for sure.
 
user3 said:
Edit: DO rejects from last cycle that applied early and broadly or people that have applied early and broadly this year but not received an acceptance, please chime in and give us details like stats, where you were interviewed/rejected/etc.
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This would still prove nothing. It wouldn't even support your claim.

serenade said:
1) Anecdotes ain't worth squat.
2) Your claims are borderline unfalsifiable.

End: Mediocrity is not a trait for medical school applications




Eh, I think it's more important to reassess your study habits for the mcat. If you got a 2.8 and after 3 times you couldn't make it past a 23, then you need to reconsider med school.
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+1
 
Columbia09 said:
Has anyone here gotten into a D.O school with a 23 or below MCAT score and it doesn't count if you're an URM.
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Has it happened? Obviously. However, there are far too many factors that play into admissions. People with lower MCAT scores should have other "redeeming" parts of their app. Even then, these people are the exception in the game that is med school admissions. Heck, I know a guy that got accepted MD with a 24. Does this mean that if I hit a 24 on the MCAT I should expect to get accepted MD? Of course not. Just because it does happen doesn't mean it is likely and will happen the majority of the time. Good luck OP!
 
Did the person with the 38 apply to DO?
 
Poliscidoc said:
Yep


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Most likely then he had no ec's that were worth while. What D.O schools did he apply to? Also I believe D.Os are very carful with applicants like him. They might figure that he will go on to a big M.D school and he just applied D.O as a safety.
 
Columbia09 said:
If it does than why are there people wh do get in with that score or lower ?
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There you go with that reading comprehension deficiency again.

As was said 23 < average which means that it is far from competitive. It must be compensated for in every other aspect of the application (gpa, ec's, lor's) or you stand a far chance of getting in.

You be trolling here I swear!
 
sonofva said:
also, the "underdogs" that i have seen succeed are mostly those who have a rough start and show a strong upward trend at the end of their career (ie - partying too hard freshman year). in these cases it is a rocky start, and not an inability to take standardized tests that is slowing them down.
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Describes me perfectly.
 
Columbia09 said:
Most likely then he had no ec's that were worth while. What D.O schools did he apply to? Also I believe D.Os are very carful with applicants like him. They might figure that he will go on to a big M.D school and he just applied D.O as a safety.
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Why is it so hard for you and user3 to believe that the application cycle for DO's is not a sure thing. Per spot more applicants are rejected than in MD schools. DO schools have a set number of seats to offer, why would they give you one if there are so many better applicants?
 
This thread has officially run its course. Bacchus, shut this party down.
 
serenade said:
Why is it so hard for you and user3 to believe that the application cycle for DO's is not a sure thing. Per spot more applicants are rejected than in MD schools. DO schools have a set number of seats to offer, why would they give you one if there are so many better applicants?
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VinceViegel said:
What about a 25 MCAT with a 3.67/3.52? 😀
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You're more or less the average DO matriculate.Though you should consider retaking that Mcat for a few more points. You've got plenty of time and if you study you might be able to get into a better more established school.
 
Temperature101 said:
You are competitive at most DO schools with that score except that the ones that are gung ho about the mcat like NOVA, DMU, Western, CCOM.
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Western and CCOM are gpa schools, at least in my experience (rejected with a 3.3/33).

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VinceViegel said:
I've been looking at the UD thread and it seems like people with high MCATs and low GPAs are the ones getting in, while only a few of the opposite people like me are getting in 😡
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Still possible as long as you apply early enough. If you don't have amazing stats the key is apply early and broadly.
 
VinceViegel said:
Are you sure about that? You say that 3.0/23 people get more interviews than what to do with, which I doubt. Averages are going way up every year.
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I had a 3.7/26 and got 18 interviews....our scores arent that different!
 
VinceViegel said:
Are you sure about that? You say that 3.0/23 people get more interviews than what to do with, which I doubt. Averages are going way up every year.
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My MCAT was a point lower than yours and my GPA was a point higher than yours (24 7/9/8 & 3.77) and I was invited to 6 interviews before I withdrew. I did have good EC's though. I think that one point difference between 24 and 25 is a pretty big one, so you should be okay IMO. Good luck though!
 
VinceViegel said:
Am I at more of a disadvantage than people with LOW GPA/HIGH MCAT scores? So my high GPA does not make up for my slightly low MCAT?
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23 is not slightly low. It's terribly low.

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VinceViegel said:
Would you say my GPA makes up for my MCAT score? And where would you say I'd be competitive (if it matters, I don't really have a connection to rural areas but I'd be open to practicing in one)?
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You have pretty much median matriculant stats. Competitive most everywhere imo. Rural connection can help, but not having one won't hurt.

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Poliscidoc said:
Yes he is the local forum expert- you never question him. A 23 will not and does not warrant an acceptance to medical school.


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He's not saying that, he's saying that a 23 will probably lower your chances.
 
Poliscidoc said:
Yes he is the local forum expert- you never question him. A 23 will not and does not warrant an acceptance to medical school.


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:laugh:

Medpr probably would have told you not to even apply. I'm glad people like you and me know better and realize that your numbers aren't that far off the mark, and may not be stellar but are alright. Heck, Braun has nearly your exact numbers got 5 interviews!
 
user3 said:
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Medpr probably would have told you not to even apply. I'm glad people like you and me know better and realize that your numbers aren't that far off the mark, and may not be stellar but are alright. Heck, Braun has nearly your exact numbers got 5 interviews!
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That doesn't change the fact that the average rejected applicant has the same stats as Poli. Sorry, but you just don't get the fact that the plethora of anecdotes =/= a statistic. Most people with his scores likely will not obtain an acceptance.
 
Poliscidoc said:
Yes he is the local forum expert- you never question him. A 23 will not and does not warrant an acceptance to medical school.


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Umadbro





Poliscidoc said:
Per his previous post in this and other threads that's the exact thing he's saying


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Show me where I said that?

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Poliscidoc said:
Per his previous post in this and other threads that's the exact thing he's saying


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Here's what I'm saying about a 23:

1. It's a terrible score
2. It will severely limit your chances
3. You should retake
4. You are not competitive with a 23 even with a stellar gpa
5. If you can't do better than 23 on a retake or two, you should reconsider your career path.

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Poliscidoc said:
My main point is your dick head/ass hole attitude you take with people that have lower MCAT scores. People with low MCAT scores get accepted and do fine and I don't want you talking people out of applying or just giving up. Is a 23 low-yes. In 4 years are we going to be the same and not care about MCAT scores- yes.


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In four years we will not be all the same. Yes our MCAT scores will be irrelevant, but we will not all be equivalent.

I'm glad you're able to hold a respectful conversation though.


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Poliscidoc said:
My main point is your dick head/ass hole attitude you take with people that have lower MCAT scores. People with low MCAT scores get accepted and do fine and I don't want you talking people out of applying or just giving up. Is a 23 low-yes. In 4 years are we going to be the same and not care about MCAT scores- yes.


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His statements do not pertain to you, your outcome in medical school, and all of this emotional trouble. They pertain to whether or not you'll be able to GET IN TO med school. And frankly most people with a 23 simply will not. You got in, but you're one person out of probably 10 who failed to get in with your stats.

Now whether or not the mcat relates to ability to succeed, pass the boards, etc. is for a different conversation.
 
serenade said:
His statements do not pertain to you, your outcome in medical school, and all of this emotional trouble. They pertain to whether or not you'll be able to GET IN TO med school. And frankly most people with a 23 simply will not. You got in, but you're one person out of probably 10 who failed to get in with your stats.

Now whether or not the mcat relates to ability to succeed, pass the boards, etc. is for a different conversation.
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This

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serenade said:
That doesn't change the fact that the average rejected applicant has the same stats as Poli. Sorry, but you just don't get the fact that the plethora of anecdotes =/= a statistic. Most people with his scores likely will not obtain an acceptance.
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Most people with lower numbers are not well informed/get poor advising and apply narrowly or to schools that are too competitive for them. Or apply too late. I have seen it again and again. There are several users here that are reapplicants or that have not had any luck so far this year; I ask them what schools they have applied to. 9 times out of 10 they are not applying broadly or wisely enough. I would like to point to the underdog Braun as an example of how one with less competitive numbers should apply- she applied to all 3 new schools, plus the lower tier schools like PNWU and LMU. Two unsuccessful underdogs from last year meanwhile, Felix and GMCGuitar, hardly applied to any of the less competitive schools.

I will qualify that there was another unsuccessful UD last year with around 3.6/3.4/22 who did apply broadly, but only received 1 interview then rejection. But they had a 6 on Bio. I contend that if you have a 23 with Bio not less than 7, an OK GPA, and apply early/broadly/wisely you stand a solid chance.

The average applicant only applies to 7-8 schools because many receive poor advising and think all DO schools are around equal in competitiveness. But they simply are not, and many people short themselves by not applying to those lower tier schools I mentioned earlier.
 
user3 said:
Most people with lower numbers are not well informed/get poor advising and apply narrowly or to schools that are too competitive for them. Or apply too late. I have seen it again and again. There are several users here that are reapplicants or that have not had any luck so far this year; I ask them what schools they have applied to. 9 times out of 10 they are not applying broadly or wisely enough. I would like to point to the underdog Braun as an example of how one with less competitive numbers should apply- she applied to all 3 new schools, plus the lower tier schools like PNWU and LMU. Two unsuccessful underdogs from last year meanwhile, Felix and GMCGuitar, hardly applied to any of the less competitive schools.

I will qualify that there was another unsuccessful UD last year with around 3.6/3.4/22 who did apply broadly, but only received 1 interview then rejection. But they had a 6 on Bio. I contend that if you have a 23 with Bio not less than 7, an OK GPA, and apply early/broadly/wisely you stand a solid chance.

The average applicant only applies to 7-8 schools because many receive poor advising and think all DO schools are around equal in competitiveness. But they simply are not, and many people short themselves by not applying to those lower tier schools I mentioned earlier.
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I dont think people with low stats are necessarily poorly informed. Do you have data to support that claim?

They're obviously informed enough not to waste their time on MD schools, so I think it's safe to assume they've done enough research to know where they have a shot.

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