AANA Dispute with APSF

[dannyboy1]

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This pisses me off so much

Gotta love SDN. people will hate CRNA’s for jealously protecting their turf while at the same time bemoaning that anesthesiologists don’t do the same...

 

[Noyac]

Gotta love SDN. people will hate CRNA’s for jealously protecting their turf while at the same time bemoaning that anesthesiologists don’t do the same...

That’s not just SDN.

 

[pgg]

What is it with the nursing profession? I can't think of another group of human beings who are individually decent and genuinely good people, who become an absolute engine of Evil when they assemble in a group.

Maybe English futbol fans.

 

[deleted162650]

What is it with the nursing profession? I can't think of another group of human beings who are individually decent and genuinely good people, who become an absolute engine of Evil when they assemble in a group.

Maybe English futbol fans.

I can think of a couple groups:

Democrats

Republicans.

 

[Status Sciaticus]

Gotta love SDN. people will hate CRNA’s for jealously protecting their turf while at the same time bemoaning that anesthesiologists don’t do the same...

The difference is that Anesthesiologists bitch and moan about someone (CRNAs) not qualified increasing their scope of practice which is dangerous for patients. Whereas CRNAs are bitching and moaning about someone (AAs) because it will reduce their marketability which is in the best interest of patients.

 

[abolt18]

The difference is that Anesthesiologists bitch and moan about someone (CRNAs) not qualified increasing their scope of practice which is dangerous for patients. Whereas CRNAs are bitching and moaning about someone (AAs) because it will reduce their marketability which is in the best interest of patients.

But the crnas make the same argument that AAs aren't qualified because they don't have all that "critical care experience."

 

[mmag]

But the crnas make the same argument that AAs aren't qualified because they don't have all that "critical care experience."

Except AA's do have ICU experience because they rotate in the ICU during AA school. They are on the medical treatment decision making team with the intensivist physician, fellow, resident, med student, PA students and not learning ICU nursing. Not all CRNA schools require ICU experience: ER or PACU suffices.

 

[d9sccr]

Let's be honest. Sitting in an ICU being given instructions for patient care is hardly necessary for the job. They get good priming lines and learning how to run pumps. How much critical thinking really goes on? If you told me it was an ARNP managing some less complex patients, fine, but being a bedside ICU nurse doesn't require a whole lot of deep thought.

 

[Man o War]

But the crnas make the same argument that AAs aren't qualified because they don't have all that "critical care experience."

Yes they do make that argument because that’s the only pony they have to ride.
Our first AA was better than any of our CRNAs- he was on cardiac, thoracic, and vascular cases on a regular basis before coming to us. And he was military, so he was smart, organized, always early, and never complained about anything.
CRNAs life as they know it is done if AAs really proliferate. As @pgg said, they’re already shooting themselves in the foot with all these new, poorly trained graduates they are pumping out.....which is why they are starting AA to CRNA bridge programs. At least that is the word on the street. Haven’t heard of a single AA actually interested in that, may as well go to med school and get full, unfettered scope of practice if you’re going to do that.

 

[mmag]

The AANA stands by their decision. Merely publishing (not even endorsing) the WHO's international standards hurt the feelings of NA's who work in critical access hospitals that refuse to hire anesthesia physicians because of legislation the AANA backs (Medicare passthrough).

The Background on the APSF Decision

AANA President Garry Brydges Blog for March 29, 2019

www.aana.com

 

[jwk]

Yes they do make that argument because that’s the only pony they have to ride.
Our first AA was better than any of our CRNAs- he was on cardiac, thoracic, and vascular cases on a regular basis before coming to us. And he was military, so he was smart, organized, always early, and never complained about anything.
CRNAs life as they know it is done if AAs really proliferate. As @pgg said, they’re already shooting themselves in the foot with all these new, poorly trained graduates they are pumping out.....which is why they are starting AA to CRNA bridge programs. At least that is the word on the street. Haven’t heard of a single AA actually interested in that, may as well go to med school and get full, unfettered scope of practice if you’re going to do that.

They claim the AA to CRNA bridge program exists and that AAs are going through it. I'm still calling BS until I see hard proof, and I haven't seen it yet.

 

[Man o War]

They claim the AA to CRNA bridge program exists and that AAs are going through it. I'm still calling BS until I see hard proof, and I haven't seen it yet.

I hope none of you fall for it. They’re scared and trying to control the playing field, as usual.

 

[2Fast2Des]

They claim the AA to CRNA bridge program exists and that AAs are going through it. I'm still calling BS until I see hard proof, and I haven't seen it yet.

So basically they want to get rid of AA by merging them into CRNA? Lol

 

[nimbus]

I heard there’s a bridge program for CRNAs to become anesthesiologists. It’s called medical school and residency.

 

[IMGASMD]

I heard there’s a bridge program for CRNAs to become anesthesiologists. It’s called medical school and residency.

That would require to actually taking care of patients and be responsible for all decisions. Also residency, AND do work that cannot be completed online. Actual clinical hours of more than 8000....
too much work.

 

[jwk]

So basically they want to get rid of AA by merging them into CRNA? Lol

They want to offer us the "opportunity" to become CRNAs and work independently and in all 50 states. Only four more years of school to do what I'm doing now. Conservative estimate of $1 million in tuition costs and lost income. Wow, what a deal!

 

[Man o War]

They want to offer us the "opportunity" to become CRNAs and work independently and in all 50 states. Only four more years of school to do what I'm doing now. Conservative estimate of $1 million in tuition costs and lost income. Wow, what a deal!

But just think of all those fancy letters you could put behind your name

 

[2Fast2Des]

But just think of all those fancy letters you could put behind your name

BS\BA\AA\MS\BSN\CRNA\DNP\MSN\AOL\LOL. They would need a lot of room to spell all those out vs boring BA\BS\MD. More letters means better right?

 

[ProRealDoc]

They want to offer us the "opportunity" to become CRNAs and work independently and in all 50 states. Only four more years of school to do what I'm doing now. Conservative estimate of $1 million in tuition costs and lost income. Wow, what a deal!

JWK,

Maybe you ought to start your own CRNA-to-AA bridge program.

 

[jwk]

JWK,

Maybe you ought to start your own CRNA-to-AA bridge program.

Works for me!

We've had a number of RNs go through several of the different AA programs.

 

[coffeebythelake]

BS\BA\AA\MS\BSN\CRNA\DNP\MSN\AOL\LOL. They would need a lot of room to spell all those out vs boring BA\BS\MD. More letters means better right?

BS\BA\AA\MS\BSN\CRNA\DNP\MSN\AOL\LOL.....
you forgot OMG/WTF/BBQ

 

[Dejavu]

I heard there’s a bridge program for CRNAs to become anesthesiologists. It’s called medical school and residency.

This.

I went across that bridge.

 

[IMGASMD]

This.

I went across that bridge.

Long bridge. I hope your journey is/was uneventful.

 

[jwk]

I wonder if the APSF will remove their CRNA members from their board, or if the CRNA members will resign on principle.