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How does one actually evaluate how busy a practice is when seeking an associate position? Owner says busy and expanding, need to add another doc, but any way to predict how busy I will be besides taking their word.
Also, whats the 'average' collections for first year out in a relatively busy practice with ancillary services? contract is 30% after 300k
Thanks
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underwood said:
How does one actually evaluate how busy a practice is when seeking an associate position? Owner says busy and expanding, need to add another doc, but any way to predict how busy I will be besides taking their word.
Also, whats the 'average' collections for first year out in a relatively busy practice with ancillary services? contract is 30% after 300k
Thanks
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Ask if you have to build patients from scratch or if you'll be inheriting a patient load. If they say the latter, ask for proof. Also find out what kind of patients you'll be picking up to ensure you don't run their nail farm.
 
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underwood said:
How does one actually evaluate how busy a practice is when seeking an associate position? Owner says busy and expanding, need to add another doc, but any way to predict how busy I will be besides taking their word.
Also, whats the 'average' collections for first year out in a relatively busy practice with ancillary services? contract is 30% after 300k
Thanks
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I can speak to being on-call and doing limb salvage heavy PP that inherits a small portion of a small group practice could get 700k collections in the first year. No grafts, no selling of gimmicks or laser, some nails, just straight doing hard work.

As far as predicting how busy, might want to ask the front desk how many patients they had to turn away because the schedule is too busy, ask how far booked out the current podiatrists are. And if being on-call is your thing, look at how many inpatient encounters are billed per year relative to how many weeks the practice takes call for to get a sense of how busy the on-call load could be. You can then decide if you want to be on call that amount, and if you do take more call you could get a sense of how much work that will look like.
 
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underwood said:
How does one actually evaluate how busy a practice is when seeking an associate position? Owner says busy and expanding, need to add another doc, but any way to predict how busy I will be besides taking their word.
Also, whats the 'average' collections for first year out in a relatively busy practice with ancillary services? contract is 30% after 300k
Thanks
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I will be addressing this in an upcoming Podcast for Podiatry Today come the new year.

"Busy and expanding" is utter BS. There is only one question. How far out are you scheduling new patients. Only thing that matters. If they are so flooded with established patients AT ALL OF THEIR OFFICES that they can't see new patients for 3-4 weeks, they need another doctor. If they are setting up a new office, and are relying on you to staff it and build it, run away. They don't NEED you.

Average collections is impossible to ascertain. Depends on payor mix, patient demographics, honesty of your employer, DME yes/no, and many other factors. Also depends on where this is geographically.
 
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Only fellowship trained DPMs can get that coveted private practice associate job. It’s tough out there

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Only fellowship trained DPMs can get that coveted private practice associate job. It’s tough out there

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Sweet, blow away an extra year of your life on a fellowship and then go to NY to make 100k and not be able to touch the ankle. Perfect.
 
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Podiatrist- Full Time​

Med Elite LLC
West Memphis, AR

Job details
Salary
$75,000 - $200,000 a year
Job Type
Full-time

Qualifications​

  • BC/BE (Required)
  • Medical License (Preferred)
  • Work authorization (Preferred)

Full Job Description​

Exceptional offer just for you!
We are looking for a personable, well-liked Board-Certified Podiatrist to diagnose and treat minor or serious injuries and diseases of the feet, ankles, and the lower part of legs.
Qualified Candidates:
  • Experience in podiatry-related consults; preferred
  • Licensed in the state of Arkansas
  • Own means of transportation
Some of the wonderful reasons to choose this position:
  • Potential for growth!
  • Independent work environment
  • Excellent Salary + Benefits!!!
Beating all offers!!
 
We now have jobs paying in the 60s

Podiatrist​

Podiatry
location
6715 Tippecanoe Rd, Canfield, OH 44406

Job details
Salary
$69,197 - $120,000 a year
Job Type
Full-time
Part-time

Qualifications​

  • podiatric residency: 3 years (Required)
  • english (Required)
  • podiatric license in state (Required)
  • Work authorization (Required)
 
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Podiatrist- Full Time​

Med Elite LLC
West Memphis, AR

Job details
Salary
$75,000 - $200,000 a year
Job Type
Full-time

Qualifications​

  • BC/BE (Required)
  • Medical License (Preferred)
  • Work authorization (Preferred)

Full Job Description​

Exceptional offer just for you!
We are looking for a personable, well-liked Board-Certified Podiatrist to diagnose and treat minor or serious injuries and diseases of the feet, ankles, and the lower part of legs.
Qualified Candidates:
  • Experience in podiatry-related consults; preferred
  • Licensed in the state of Arkansas
  • Own means of transportation
Some of the wonderful reasons to choose this position:
  • Potential for growth!
  • Independent work environment
  • Excellent Salary + Benefits!!!
Beating all offers!!
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Sucks for all those really well trained podiatrists with a lot of experience but don't have their own car/bike/scooter.

Also, anybody want to draw a correlation between the quality of the job and the number of exclamation points in the post?
 
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We now have jobs paying in the 60s

Podiatrist​

Podiatry
location
6715 Tippecanoe Rd, Canfield, OH 44406

Job details
Salary
$69,197 - $120,000 a year
Job Type
Full-time
Part-time

Qualifications​

  • podiatric residency: 3 years (Required)
  • english (Required)
  • podiatric license in state (Required)
  • Work authorization (Required)
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I know of the owner... avoid avoid avoid
 
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I know of the owner... avoid avoid avoid
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Wtf is work authorization? We should come together and travel to all 11 schools to give a presentation on these job offers students can expect when they come out. Better to shut down their fantasy doctor lifestyle dreams now instead of waiting another 6-7 years to find out they can actually only afford a 95 Civic.
 
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icebreaker32 said:
We now have jobs paying in the 60s

Podiatrist​

Podiatry
location
6715 Tippecanoe Rd, Canfield, OH 44406

Job details
Salary
$69,197 - $120,000 a year
Job Type
Full-time
Part-time

Qualifications​

  • podiatric residency: 3 years (Required)
  • english (Required)
  • podiatric license in state (Required)
  • Work authorization (Required)
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It also must suck to be a well trained podiatrist, with a state license...but you unfortunately don't speak the English language. No 60K a year for you!
 
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underwood said:
How does one actually evaluate how busy a practice is when seeking an associate position? Owner says busy and expanding, need to add another doc, but any way to predict how busy I will be besides taking their word.
Also, whats the 'average' collections for first year out in a relatively busy practice with ancillary services? contract is 30% after 300k
Thanks
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Ask them if you start tomorrow how many patients will be on your schedule per day. Also ask about insurance/hospital credentialing.

We started our new associate with 10/day for the first week, then 20 for the second week, and 30 for the third week and on. If not for the insurance contracts then the new doctor can probably have a full schedule right away. A busy practice really needing a doctor would want you to start ASAP and doing some surgeries, getting you credentialed with hospitals/surgery centers and insurances.

If you run into a practice that make you bill under another doctor/owner, applying Q6 modifiers to all claims all the time, and keep your credentialing process a secret then GTFO. You need to know your PECOS and CAQH account and have full control of them. If any practice won't let you access those accounts then run.
 
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Supposedly marketed very, very heavily for laser toenail fungus treatments. Would not be surprised if into the other PP things also.
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Good ole lasers. Toe nails, muscle pain, gonorrhea, my FTX account what can't they fix?
 
Mercy Clinic — Springfield, Missouri Employed Podiatry Opportunity

Established, Long-Term Group of Three Podiatrists – Newest Partner Has Been Here 7+ Years

No Turnover Within the Group – Adding Due to Growth

800+-Bed Tertiary Referral Center with Catchment Area of 2M Lives

A Truven Top 5 Health System in the United States

Mercy Hospital - Springfield is recruiting a full-time podiatrist to join our employed group of three current podiatrists. All partners have been here between 7-22 years with no turnover within the practice! Everyone in our group is performing at a high productivity and income and there is immediate and ample business available. Current wait times are several weeks!

The group operates at Mercy Hospital - Springfield, an 800-bed tertiary referral center for Missouri and Arkansas. A full range of medical services and specialty support are provided by over 500 local Mercy-employed physicians. We offer great facilities including a comprehensive clinic with imaging, procedure rooms, casting rooms, private office, and exam rooms, an efficient 8 OR outpatient surgery center, and 22 main hospital ORs when needed.

Mercy Podiatry Offers:

  • Experienced group of three podiatrists – all have been here for years and fully support the search
  • Comprehensive clinic includes dedicated procedure and casting rooms, imaging, X-ray, DME, TCC
  • Easy access to a foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon
  • Opportunities for nearby outreach to really grow your business quickly
  • Very high-income potential based on production wRVUs – proven potential in 90%+ range
  • A highly competitive compensation with salary guarantee, production, quality, and recruitment incentives
  • Signing bonus and paid relocation available
  • Call 1:4 weeks
  • You will be a welcome and valued member of the group day one with no partnership track or buy-in
  • Work with outstanding partners that value you as part of the team
  • Significant volumes available – expect a rewarding practice – over 200 employed primary care providers means endless referrals
  • Experienced partners and mentors; no turnover within the group
  • Epic EHR across the entire Mercy ministry
  • Rated in the top 5% nationally for overall clinical excellence by Healthgrades
  • Forbes “America’s Best Employers”
  • Comprehensive benefits package for the entire family
Springfield, Missouri

  • Regional hub of Southwest Missouri and the third largest city in the state
  • Recently named in the top 10 cities for lowest cost of living in the US by Kiplinger
  • A sophisticated medical community located three hours south of Kansas City and St. Louis and only 30 minutes from Branson
  • Named one of the 20 “Best Places to Live and Work in the U.S. by Employment Review
  • Features a large state university, performing arts center, top quality schools, and a variety of cultural and shopping options
  • An abundance of outdoor recreational activities: hiking, camping, rock climbing, and hunting
  • Six area lakes and natural streams provide for water sports and excellent fishing
 
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Sounds like a great PP job.....this should be a very typical opportunity but we know it is the exception for PP. It looks like the hospital is probably helping with the recruitment.

*****Actually it looks like it is a hospital job if no buy in and Epic. Knew it was too good to be true for PP.

Population of over 100,00 in Springfield, MO. Has an airport. In the Midwest (or Mid-South if you prefer) somewhat far from a school....sounds legitimate.

25 percent do have jobs this good from an income perspective .....some initially, some eventually and too many scammy.

Hospital jobs are increasing.....but there are not nearly enough and most PP jobs are still mediocre or worse. If we cut supply to 200 a year most could have jobs like this.....instead of needing a fellowship, connections, luck or moving to the Dakotas (nothing wrong if you want to live there).
 
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Sounds like a great PP job.....this should be a very typical opportunity but we know it is the exception for PP. It looks like the hospital is probably helping with the recruitment.

*****Actually it looks like it is a hospital job if no buy in and Epic. Knew it was too good to be true for PP.

Population of over 100,00 in Springfield, MO. Has an airport. In the Midwest (or Mid-South if you prefer) somewhat far from a school....sounds legitimate.

25 percent do have jobs this good from an income perspective .....some initially, some eventually and too many scammy.

Hospital jobs are increasing.....but there are not nearly enough and most PP jobs are still mediocre or worse. If we cut supply to 200 a year most could have jobs like this.....instead of needing a fellowship, connections, luck or moving to the Dakotas (nothing wrong if you want to live there).
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Lived in Springfield for a year before going back to schools for pre med classes. It's good enough. 30 mins to lakes and Ozarks. Branson 30 mins away if you are 70 plus and enjoy soup and salad comboa at 430 in the afternoon as well as good wholesome family friendly comedy shows....it's a nice safe classic Midwest town.
 
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There is no doubt I have seen an uptick in hospital jobs. Significantly easier to get with 4 to 5 years of experience as well as being ABFAS board certified.....even easier if already have been employed by hospitals.
 
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There is no doubt I have seen an uptick in hospital jobs. Significantly easier to get with 4 to 5 years of experience as well as being ABFAS board certified.....even easier if already have been employed by hospitals.
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I agree.

I feel/my opinion the last 5-10 years has been the changing point for hospitals/MSG hiring DPMs. Testing the waters.

Now that its obvious how profitable we are for them its becoming more and more of an option for DPMs to get this employment. The dynamics are changing.

That said its still a bear market for DPMs and these positions. There are not 500 hospital/MSG jobs a year. There are 500 PP associate jobs a year. Hopefull in 10 years the dynamics have changed even more in DPMs favor.
 
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Yah hospital jobs are competitive, but not the unicorn they used to be.
 
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There is no doubt I have seen an uptick in hospital jobs. Significantly easier to get with 4 to 5 years of experience as well as being ABFAS board certified.....even easier if already have been employed by hospitals.
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This is, however, what prospective students should be well aware of it. It is much more difficult to land a hospital job where you will be paid like a doctor as a fresh graduate with no experience or board cert. Hospitals give much more preference for the ones with at least a few years of experience and board cert.

What the ultimately means is that a new grad can expect to be taken advantage of for about 3 years as a new attending making a nurse's salary before they might be able to land a job that isn't crap. Oh and also there's a good chance that hospital job won't be in a very desirable location either.
 
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Students should be told even now at a time when private practice is dying, there is a good chance they will need to open their own practice and it is becoming increasingly hard to do so. It is very hard to get the capital to do this. It is often hard to get on insurance plans (other than Medi/Medi and even those still take time to get on due to the bureaucracy).

Although there has been a significant increase in hospital jobs compared to 10 or 15 years ago.....most will start and end their career in private practice. It should not be marketed that podiatry is so mainstream now that there will be a hospital job or any good job for that matter waiting to recruit them.

You will likely start out at crappy or mediocre job in PP for a few years planning your escape for a better employed job or opening your own a practice. Sometimes PP works out good enough and there is a fair buy in. If that is the case the group likely added another partner after a couple year associate probationary period every 10 years or so with almost no turnover.

Podiatry is not an essential specialty and we are very saturated compared to the number of good jobs out there. Podiatry can often be profitable for a hospital, but not always. If it is not profitable they will let it go. If OBGYN or ER or multiple other specialties are unprofitable.....every hospital still needs to employ those specialties regardless.

Average salaries are probably fairly accurate from the different sources one reads (there is no perfect survey).....but podiatry is different compared to other specialties as there are lots making half the average salary and lots making double it. It is good or bad depending on where you end up, but honestly the floor in this profession for the amount of training we have is an absolute embarrassment.
 
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I will be addressing this in an upcoming Podcast for Podiatry Today come the new year.

"Busy and expanding" is utter BS. There is only one question. How far out are you scheduling new patients. Only thing that matters. If they are so flooded with established patients AT ALL OF THEIR OFFICES that they can't see new patients for 3-4 weeks, they need another doctor. If they are setting up a new office, and are relying on you to staff it and build it, run away. They don't NEED you.

Average collections is impossible to ascertain. Depends on payor mix, patient demographics, honesty of your employer, DME yes/no, and many other factors. Also depends on where this is geographically.
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Thank you for this! Apparently they’re about 1-2 months booked out. Close to hospital clinic with steady referral. Will take all insurance. I did ask about associate getting DME and all ancillary services count towards collections and it does.
 
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air bud said:
Sucks for all those really well trained podiatrists with a lot of experience but don't have their own car/bike/scooter.

Also, anybody want to draw a correlation between the quality of the job and the number of exclamation points in the post?
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Got the doc riding to work on a children's Huffy wearing a white coat and no helmet.
 
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When should someone start looking for private practice jobs? Second year of residency? Third?
 
Good for them for not offering this salary for a podiatrist I suppose. Too bad many other podiatry jobs also offer the same salary..

Foot and Ankle PA/NP​

Platte River Foot and Ankle Surgeons
Gretna, NE 68028

$80,418 - $157,426 a year - Full-time, Contract
 
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When should someone start looking for private practice jobs? Second year of residency? Third
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Second year is not too soon to do some serious networking if you want to go back to your hometown and it is not a saturated area, but generally the start of your third year. It is hard to look for jobs that want someone now or finalize things with a contract much earlier than that…at least for podiatry. The second half of your second year you really need to figure out what type of job you want and just how geographically open you are. Then come the third year get on it immediately and be very proactive.
 
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Xxxxxxxx is a well-established; private podiatry practice, with an immediate opening and looking to bring on a 2nd well- trained Podiatric Associate.
We are expanding our practice, located in Chattanooga, a city in southeastern Tennessee, set along the Tennessee River. We serve a population approximately 200,000 people and more from the neighboring cities and states (Georgia and Alabama).
The Podiatrist should have a love for surgery and will need to be able to cover all areas of podiatry including general podiatry, foot and ankle surgery, and wound care. This is a full- time position offering base pay with bonus.
Benefits:
* Salary: Base salary plus bonus with great earning potential
* CME COURSES COVERED
* HEALTH INSURANCE (MEDICAL/DENTAL/VISION) -PLAN OFFERED OR YOU CAN CHOOSE $2,000 PER YEAR TOWARDS PLAN OF YOUR CHOOSING
* MALPRACTICE INSURANCE
* LICENSURE (TN LIC APPLICATION FEE REIMBURSED UPON HIRE)
* PTO
* Flexible Vacation Scheduling
Job Type: Full-time
Salary: From $100,000.00 per year

Medical specialties:

* Surgery
* Wound Care

Schedule:

* Monday to Friday
* On call
 
Why hide the employer? Don’t rob the people here of this wonderful opportunity. $2000 towards a healthcare plan if you don’t like the one provided?! Clearly a very robust benefit package.

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Even other IPED members are blasting the salary.

"Raise the salary by 40-50% and I’m sure you will be able to find a well trained associate. With that salary offering you probably won’t find someone well trained. But I hope you find someone soon!"
 
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Second year is not too soon to do some serious networking if you want to go back to your hometown and it is not a saturated area, but generally the start of your third year. It is hard to look for jobs that want someone now or finalize things with a contract much earlier than that…at least for podiatry. The second half of your second year you really need to figure out what type of job you want and just how geographically open you are. Then come the third year get on it immediately and be very proactive.
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Is there any reliable source we can check an area is saturated or not ? Thank you so much
 
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Even other IPED members are blasting the salary.

"Raise the salary by 40-50% and I’m sure you will be able to find a well trained associate. With that salary offering you probably won’t find someone well trained. But I hope you find someone soon!"
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I like the way that person thinks
 
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Is there any reliable source we can check an area is saturated or not ? Thank you so much
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I doubt there is any single reliable source. Number of podiatrists per population is not a good indicator....so many factors. Maybe 30 years ago that was enough to go on.

Is an area economically depressed?

Is there basically a healthcare monopoly
that controls PCPs and many specialists also?

Does the area draw from the surrounding area for healthcare or is it the opposite?
 
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Wtf is work authorization? We should come together and travel to all 11 schools to give a presentation on these job offers students can expect when they come out. Better to shut down their fantasy doctor lifestyle dreams now instead of waiting another 6-7 years to find out they can actually only afford a 95 Civic.
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This is for foreigners. Work Authorization is either a work visa or Green Card. I'm from Canada. Been there done that.
 
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Thank you for this! Apparently they’re about 1-2 months booked out. Close to hospital clinic with steady referral. Will take all insurance. I did ask about associate getting DME and all ancillary services count towards collections and it does.
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These are all positive things. Any family working in the practice? If so, RUN. How many associates in the last 5 years?

Who keeps track of your collections? Ask them that and ask if you can have monthly rosters of the patients you see, how much was billed, what was billed, and how much was collected. Check if co-pays are being collected at time of service. If they tell you, "Don't worry. We have that covered. No need for you to keep track", run away. People don't realize how much they are getting ripped off until they see the actual numbers in front of them.

Many intricacies, too. Is the senior guy seeing all the OVs for orthotics casting and you are dispensing them? Are you see all the diabetic nail care, but once a year, the senior guy is seeing them for their annual shoe visit? Are you doing all the hospital rounds for patients post I&D, Amps? Too many things like that to take into account without you asking up front. "No, no, of course not!" Until it happens. Ask me how I know.
 
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Is there any reliable source we can check an area is saturated or not ? Thank you so much
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You can google and see the amount of podiatrist in a particular area. Just know, any desirable city, metro, county or town is already going to have a few or more pod offices there. Even in the middle of no where, if there is a post office, gas station and a Chinese restaurant then there is a dentist and a pod around the corner.

Most important is to work where you want to live.
 
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You can google and see the amount of podiatrist in a particular area. Just know, any desirable city, metro, county or town is already going to have a few or more pod offices there. Even in the middle of no where, if there is a post office, gas station and a Chinese restaurant then there is a dentist and a pod around the corner.

Most important is to work where you want to live.
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Excellent point. Live where you think you will be happy living. That's what I did, but eventually had to move away to somewhere I never even considered. Funny enough, it worked out amazingly well. Especially now.
 
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I doubt there is any single reliable source. Number of podiatrists per population is not a good indicator....so many factors. Maybe 30 years ago that was enough to go on.

Is an area economically depressed?

Is there basically a healthcare monopoly
that controls PCPs and many specialists also?

Does the area draw from the surrounding area for healthcare or is it the opposite?
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619 said:
You can google and see the amount of podiatrist in a particular area. Just know, any desirable city, metro, county or town is already going to have a few or more pod offices there. Even in the middle of no where, if there is a post office, gas station and a Chinese restaurant then there is a dentist and a pod around the corner.

Most important is to work where you want to live.
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Thank you so much for your response. I'm thinking about Las Vegas but it looks saturated! :(
My plan is calling podiatry practices in that area and ask how long is the next available appointment :D
 
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Sad. Very sad.
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Is this not better than some pp listings? I thought I’ve seen postings without healthcare benefits, cme, malpractice, etc pretty commonly.
 
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It’s not saturated.

No place is saturated if you do good work, work hard, and you’re smart.

Nevada is a corporate practice of medicine state. You have to know how to navigate that.
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That is simply not true. Sorry. Politics plays a huge role in super saturated markets as does getting on insurance carriers. Any big city on the East Coast is a perfect example. "Good work, work hard and you're smart" won't open up insurance panels to you, and trying to open a boutique type practice in those markets is suicide.
 
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I'm curious how many podiatrists are in NY / NJ / Pennsylvania. Dr. Rodgers numbers from a prior post about NY board certification suggested that NY contains some version of 1/7th to 1/8th of all the podiatrists in the country.

*A very cursory internet search suggests greater than 2000 in NY.
 
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