Actual Podiatry Job Postings

[air bud]

I'm curious how many podiatrists are in NY / NJ / Pennsylvania. Dr. Rodgers numbers from a prior post about NY board certification suggested that NY contains some version of 1/7th to 1/8th of all the podiatrists in the country.

*A very cursory internet search suggests greater than 2000 in NY.

Seems accurate if the NY metro area including portions of CT, PA, NJ is 6% of the population

Edit - just realized not good at math

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[NatCh]

Wtf is work authorization?

When you hire an employee the Department of Homeland Security needs you to verify that the employee is authorized to work in the US. They need specific documents. It's form I9

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/i-9-paper-version.pdf

 

[NatCh]

Got the doc riding to work on a children's Huffy wearing a white coat and no helmet.

Oh **** that's me

 

[bloxxeeey]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

 

[de Ribas]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

Lol

 

[deleted1149159]

I work in Southern New Jersey, and there are quite a few Pods around, but the number is dwindling. Over COVID, we saw a lot retire and some pass, sadly. There are a couple of big groups in the area...that's all I'm really going to say.

I'm going to be working within the Atlantic City area coming up soon, as there are some opportunities down that way that appeal to me greatly. I've actually encourage some of the residents I've worked with over the years to hang a shingle on their own in the area. There is only one insurance that is locked, and for the most part, you can do quite well on your own, if you don't mind living slim for a couple three years.

 

[deleted1149159]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

It really depends where you intend to live. You can't live on that anywhere in CA. Small town USA, that's decent money.

You do you. I wouldn't get too excited by what is written here. If you get a job where you want to live, do your finances and the money you make is livable for you, that's all that matters. Especially if you have a spouse/partner who also works and can contribute to the household finances, it's all good. There are simply too many variables for anyone here to evaluated what works for each individual and what doesn't.

 

[heybrother]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

-Got a family? My podiatry practice covers my health insurance but they don't cover my family. I pay the difference. Its $1000 a month. Mine comes with a $3K per person deductible, a max out of pocket of like $17K - something absurd like that, and a $100 copay for specialists. I'm not packing a BCBS "oil field worker" plan.

-Would you like to do this forever? You'll need to save money in a 401k assuming your practice offers one. 2022 allowed a max contribution of $20,500.

-Believe it or not - people who want to be wealthy someday save even more. Roth IRA max for a couple is $12,000. 401k and ROTH are essentially mandatory vehicles for higher earners with many other vehicles being available to those who are so inclined ie. HSA etc.

-Depending on where you live there will be state income tax. There's a balancing act to this. For example, I'm in Texas - so no state income tax. However, this coming year I will pay $6300 in property tax. That's all wrapped up in the mortgage but I'm trying to show both sides of the coin since "no state tax" states sometimes only tell you 1/2 the story in the PR.

I'm not really sure how serious you were being when you asked, but growing up comes with all sorts of expanded expenses. In general, no one really expects you to save during residency (though if you save into a ROTH during residency you deserve huge props). Outside of residency life begins and you are years behind.

 

[deleted1149159]

-Got a family? My podiatry practice covers my health insurance but they don't cover my family. I pay the difference. Its $1000 a month. Mine comes with a $3K per person deductible, a max out of pocket of like $17K - something absurd like that, and a $100 copay for specialists. I'm not packing a BCBS "oil field worker" plan.

-Would you like to do this forever? You'll need to save money in a 401k assuming your practice offers one. 2022 allowed a max contribution of $20,500.

-Believe it or not - people who want to be wealthy someday save even more. Roth IRA max for a couple is $12,000. 401k and ROTH are essentially mandatory vehicles for higher earners with many other vehicles being available to those who are so inclined ie. HSA etc.

-Depending on where you live there will be state income tax. There's a balancing act to this. For example, I'm in Texas - so no state income tax. However, this coming year I will pay $6300 in property tax. That's all wrapped up in the mortgage but I'm trying to show both sides of the coin since "no state tax" states sometimes only tell you 1/2 the story in the PR.

I'm not really sure how serious you were being when you asked, but growing up comes with all sorts of expanded expenses. In general, no one really expects you to save during residency (though if you save into a ROTH during residency you deserve huge props). Outside of residency life begins and you are years behind.

Sorry to say, but living in NJ, with three kids, one in college, there is no way to save. And my students loans are already paid. Additionally, my wife has a great career that pays quite well. And my property tax is almost double yours. And I don't live in anything close to resembling a mansion/palace. I had some legal and immigration issues that took out of a chunk of most of what I could save, but it was all worth it in the end.

 

[NatCh]

$100K base implies that there's a bonus structure too, yeah? You'd want to examine that part closely.

 

[deleted1138023]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

come on man.. you serious?

 

[Pronation]

come on man.. you serious?

No

 

[Boba Foot]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

Did you go to four years of school and three years of residency to make just about the national average income? I sure as hell didn't.

Sure there's probably some sort of collections percentage over a certain amount, but you're probably not gonna hit it for a year or two. And also if they're not even revealing that percentage in their job posting, it's probably not great.

 

[Prehealth1011]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

Where is your podiatry private practice located?

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

I work in Southern New Jersey, and there are quite a few Pods around, but the number is dwindling. Over COVID, we saw a lot retire and some pass, sadly. There are a couple of big groups in the area...that's all I'm really going to say.

I'm going to be working within the Atlantic City area coming up soon, as there are some opportunities down that way that appeal to me greatly. I've actually encourage some of the residents I've worked with over the years to hang a shingle on their own in the area. There is only one insurance that is locked, and for the most part, you can do quite well on your own, if you don't mind living slim for a couple three years.

Are you opening an additional office since there are opportunities there or are you hanging your own shingle.

I’m hoping you’re not hanging your own shingle. I really don’t think it’s a great climate to open solo.

I encourage residents to not work for another DPM and can’t really say I encourage them to hang their own shingle unless they find a truly underserved area.

Best of look with your new endeavor, if it is a new endeavor!

 

[deleted1149159]

Are you opening an additional office since there are opportunities there or are you hanging your own shingle.

I’m hoping you’re not hanging your own shingle. I really don’t think it’s a great climate to open solo.

I encourage residents to not work for another DPM and can’t really say I encourage them to hang their own shingle unless they find a truly underserved area.

Best of look with your new endeavor, if it is a new endeavor!

Thank you! No, it's with a group looking to expand in that area. It's a new endeavor which has great potential. In many avenues.

 

[Tens Years Out]

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[icebreaker32]

I encourage residents to not work for another DPM and can’t really say I encourage them to hang their own shingle unless they find a truly underserved area.

The largest problem with podiatry as a profession in one sentence.

 

[CutsWithFury]

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This job pays more than most private practice podiatry associate jobs. Better benefits too.

 

[deleted1149159]

Dr. Ron,
Do you plan to work for South Jersey Hospital/Health System ?
I "think" they are based in Bridgeton, New Jersey.
Might now be called Inspira Healthcare. Not really certain.

On another subject I heard another large practice based out of Cherry Hill has
a position that just opened up. I believe the name is Foot Health something.

No, I will not be working for a Hospital System.

I have no idea who has what positions open in Cherry Hill. I assume you mean Cherry Hill, NJ? Can you provide a job posting for me to look at, please? Are you looking for a position in that area?

 

[Pod2death]

Thank you so much for your response. I'm thinking about Las Vegas but it looks saturated!
My plan is calling podiatry practices in that area and ask how long is the next available appointment

As someone that currently works in PP in a heavily saturated area, don't let anyone tell you there is no such thing.

When an area is truly saturated with Pods it presents multiple obstacles. Are there still good jobs? Yes there are. But what happens at hospital systems for example, is that these good jobs are taken by not good Pods that are willing to accept a lower salary than is often even advertised for the position because they would never sniff that in PP. So these not good Pods (poor training, shouldn't have even been allowed to graduate Pod school) get into these hospital systems which drives down the pay. It also now exposes that entire hospital physician staff to Podiatrists who I wouldn't let trim my own nails and they now think that is the standard for Pods. This has led to essentially the collapse of Hospital based jobs in my area.

There are obvious PP implications as well but I wont keep rambling.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

As someone that currently works in PP in a heavily saturated area, don't let anyone tell you there is no such thing.

When an area is truly saturated with Pods it presents multiple obstacles. Are there still good jobs? Yes there are. But what happens at hospital systems for example, is that these good jobs are taken by not good Pods that are willing to accept a lower salary than is often even advertised for the position because they would never sniff that in PP. So these not good Pods (poor training, shouldn't have even been allowed to graduate Pod school) get into these hospital systems which drives down the pay. It also now exposes that entire hospital physician staff to Podiatrists who I wouldn't let trim my own nails and they now think that is the standard for Pods. This has led to essentially the collapse of Hospital based jobs in my area.

There are obvious PP implications as well but I wont keep rambling.

Interesting perspective.

 

[deleted1149159]

As someone that currently works in PP in a heavily saturated area, don't let anyone tell you there is no such thing.

When an area is truly saturated with Pods it presents multiple obstacles. Are there still good jobs? Yes there are. But what happens at hospital systems for example, is that these good jobs are taken by not good Pods that are willing to accept a lower salary than is often even advertised for the position because they would never sniff that in PP. So these not good Pods (poor training, shouldn't have even been allowed to graduate Pod school) get into these hospital systems which drives down the pay. It also now exposes that entire hospital physician staff to Podiatrists who I wouldn't let trim my own nails and they now think that is the standard for Pods. This has led to essentially the collapse of Hospital based jobs in my area.

There are obvious PP implications as well but I wont keep rambling.

This is an example of one of the worst things that happens in medicine. Getting undercut to make a buck. This is what happened in the 90's with capitated health plans all over the country. Terrible.

 

[air bud]

In my experience, and basically everyone I know is hospital/msg employed, I have never heard of someone being fired and them hiring someone for cheaper. I think that is more urban legend than truth.

 

[MalleableMan]

As someone that currently works in PP in a heavily saturated area, don't let anyone tell you there is no such thing.

When an area is truly saturated with Pods it presents multiple obstacles. Are there still good jobs? Yes there are. But what happens at hospital systems for example, is that these good jobs are taken by not good Pods that are willing to accept a lower salary than is often even advertised for the position because they would never sniff that in PP. So these not good Pods (poor training, shouldn't have even been allowed to graduate Pod school) get into these hospital systems which drives down the pay. It also now exposes that entire hospital physician staff to Podiatrists who I wouldn't let trim my own nails and they now think that is the standard for Pods. This has led to essentially the collapse of Hospital based jobs in my area.

There are obvious PP implications as well but I wont keep rambling.

This is not an applicable observation in several areas I am familiar with. I know of pods practicing in many hospital systems in saturated areas that are cream of the crop and are a boon for our profession and to the medical community. They also get compensated very well. Your observations seem to be specific to your area.

 

[deleted1149159]

This is not an applicable observation in several areas I am familiar with. I know of pods practicing in many hospital systems in saturated areas that are cream of the crop and are a boon for our profession and to the medical community. They also get compensated very well. Your observations seem to be specific to your area.

If you had to guess, how many pods that work in "many hospital systems" versus those in PP nationally? Again, I find many here talk about the exceptions. Yes, there are some, but that is hardly the majority. And hanging your hat on the exception is a dangerous affair.

 

[MalleableMan]

If you had to guess, how many pods that work in "many hospital systems" versus those in PP nationally? Again, I find many here talk about the exceptions. Yes, there are some, but that is hardly the majority. And hanging your hat on the exception is a dangerous affair.

I agree that more pods work in private practice than are employed by hospitals but that isn’t relevant to my response.

 

[deleted1149159]

I agree that more pods work in private practice than are employed by hospitals but that isn’t relevant to my response.

It kinda is though. You're trying to refute the point made because of pods in your area. So you know a guy or three. Sorry to say, but that's irrelevant in the grand scheme isn't it? Everyone can point to an outlier. So?

 

[CutsWithFury]

What's so bad about 100k base? You take home $6200 after taxes. About $2000 of that goes to student loans but you still have $4200 a month to live off and enjoy. The national average income is 97k and the mean income is 69k. So you're doing pretty well with 100k base.

You must be a private practice owner. This response is beyond ridiculous.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

There are too many generalizations. There are plenty of amazingly talented DPMs doing great work and representing the profession well and they are hospital employed.

There are naturally some shoddy docs who are also hospital employees who don’t represent us well, but I believe they are the exception and not the rule.

And my observations have shown that those who are weak and not representing well end up getting washed out of the position for a higher quality candidate.

The cream rises to the top and the crappy doctors usually end up being recognized and replaced.

But what exactly is the point anyway?

 

[CutsWithFury]

There are too many generalizations. There are plenty of amazingly talented DPMs doing great work and representing the profession well and they are hospital employed.

There are naturally some shoddy docs who are also hospital employees who don’t represent us well, but I believe they are the exception and not the rule.

And my observations have shown that those who are weak and not representing well end up getting washed out of the position for a higher quality candidate.

The cream rises to the top and the crappy doctors usually end up being recognized and replaced.

But what exactly is the point anyway?

The bad podiatrists who represent us poorly are hired because of ortho politics in the hospital.

Harborview medical center in Seattle, WA. Ortho hates podiatry. All the podiatrists that work at harborview can't do surgery and if they can they can't do anything proximal to the 1st tarsometatarsal joint. That's it. These podiatrists are professional toenail trimmers and wound care DPMs with minimal to no elective MSK foot surgery. Yes these podiatrists do not represent the best the profession can offer...but it is by design.

If there are orthos involved in the hiring process for podiatry and have an idea of what podiatrists are doing and don't want the competition they will opt for the least impressive podiatrist they can find.

 

[deleted1149159]

There are too many generalizations. There are plenty of amazingly talented DPMs doing great work and representing the profession well and they are hospital employed.

There are naturally some shoddy docs who are also hospital employees who don’t represent us well, but I believe they are the exception and not the rule.

And my observations have shown that those who are weak and not representing well end up getting washed out of the position for a higher quality candidate.

The cream rises to the top and the crappy doctors usually end up being recognized and replaced.

But what exactly is the point anyway?

The point, for me at least, is that many people tend to focus on the negative and are doomsday naysayers. I've only been here a few days and look how many negative posts are made about out profession.

There is plenty positive. Human nature causes us to not focus on that. So why do we focus so much on the negative on these forums?

I love my job. I couldn't imagine doing anything else. I've been dealt many crappy hands, but that never stopped me from looking for better and achieving the most I could even in those bad situations.

 

[deleted1149159]

The bad podiatrists who represent us poorly are hired because of ortho politics in the hospital.

Harborview medical center in Seattle, WA. Ortho hates podiatry. All the podiatrists that work at harborview can't do surgery and if they can they can't do anything proximal to the 1st tarsometatarsal joint. That's it. These podiatrists are professional toenail trimmers and wound care DPMs with minimal to no elective MSK foot surgery. Yes these podiatrists do not represent the best the profession can offer...but it is by design.

If there are orthos involved in the hiring process for podiatry and have an idea of what podiatrists are doing and don't want the competition they will opt for the least impressive podiatrist they can find.

Why do podiatrists go to that medical center? I'm asking seriously. Are there no other centers where anyone in the Seattle area can do surgery?

There is an Ortho group here locally that will hire podiatrists, but won't "allow them" to do surgery. They offer amazing pay and benefits, and some podiatrists are knocking down their doors to work for them. I don't get that at all. It's baffling to me.

 

[CutsWithFury]

Why do podiatrists go to that medical center? I'm asking seriously. Are there no other centers where anyone in the Seattle area can do surgery?

There is an Ortho group here locally that will hire podiatrists, but won't "allow them" to do surgery. They offer amazing pay and benefits, and some podiatrists are knocking down their doors to work for them. I don't get that at all. It's baffling to me.

There are plenty of well trained podiatrists working at other hospitals doing total ankle replacements and other complex recon. But harborview is a place of employment that some podiatrists are willing to work at to make a stable income. They are just trying to a make living and don't care that ortho owns their lives in the hospital. I'd rather do that then work for another podiatrist.

 

[deleted1149159]

There are plenty of well trained podiatrists working at other hospitals doing total ankle replacements and other complex recon. But harborview is a place of employment that some podiatrists are willing to work at to make a stable income. They are just trying to a make living and don't care that ortho owns their lives in the hospital. I'd rather do that then work for another podiatrist.

Oh, I see now. Thanks for the explanation. I appreciate it.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

Why do podiatrists go to that medical center? I'm asking seriously. Are there no other centers where anyone in the Seattle area can do surgery?

There is an Ortho group here locally that will hire podiatrists, but won't "allow them" to do surgery. They offer amazing pay and benefits, and some podiatrists are knocking down their doors to work for them. I don't get that at all. It's baffling to

The point, for me at least, is that many people tend to focus on the negative and are doomsday naysayers. I've only been here a few days and look how many negative posts are made about out profession.

There is plenty positive. Human nature causes us to not focus on that. So why do we focus so much on the negative on these forums?

I love my job. I couldn't imagine doing anything else. I've been dealt many crappy hands, but that never stopped me from looking for better and achieving the most I could even in those bad situations.

You’ve been dealt crappy hands? I don’t know if you work for a DPM, hospital, ortho group or MSG. Or if you’re self employed.

If you have been employed and feel as if you’ve been dealt crappy hands, why wouldn’t you simply move on and be your own boss and open your own practice.

You mentioned that you recommended residents open on their own, but have you followed your own advice so you can no longer be dealt a crappy hand?

For all I know you may have your own practice and the crappy hands could be illness or other unfortunate issue.

You seem to have very strong opinions and if you aren’t self employed, why wouldn’t you so you can set your own destiny?

 

[air bud]

There are too many generalizations. There are plenty of amazingly talented DPMs doing great work and representing the profession well and they are hospital employed.

There are naturally some shoddy docs who are also hospital employees who don’t represent us well, but I believe they are the exception and not the rule.

And my observations have shown that those who are weak and not representing well end up getting washed out of the position for a higher quality candidate.

The cream rises to the top and the crappy doctors usually end up being recognized and replaced.

But what exactly is the point anyway?

Yeah, we have mostly all been pretty clear that just because you're a hospital employee doesn't mean that you are good it just means you got lucky somewhere along the way and we're in the right place at the right time

 

[air bud]

The bad podiatrists who represent us poorly are hired because of ortho politics in the hospital.

Harborview medical center in Seattle, WA. Ortho hates podiatry. All the podiatrists that work at harborview can't do surgery and if they can they can't do anything proximal to the 1st tarsometatarsal joint. That's it. These podiatrists are professional toenail trimmers and wound care DPMs with minimal to no elective MSK foot surgery. Yes these podiatrists do not represent the best the profession can offer...but it is by design.

If there are orthos involved in the hiring process for podiatry and have an idea of what podiatrists are doing and don't want the competition they will opt for the least impressive podiatrist they can find.

Ortho was very involved in my new job.....hey wait a minute....

 

[CutsWithFury]

Ortho was very involved in my new job.....hey wait a minute....

Is there an ortho foot and ankle on staff? Are there orthos who like fixing foot and ankle fractures? If the answer is no to either then the job is favorable for podiatry. If the answer is yes to either then it will be unfavorable. I know you know this.

 

[Feli]

Yeah, we have mostly all been pretty clear that just because you're a hospital employee doesn't mean that you are good it just means you got lucky somewhere along the way and we're in the right place at the right time

This is the truth.^^

...Hospital podiatry jobs are like any jobs... some want well-trained, some want a brown noser, some hire friends of the current dept docs, many want a yes-man, some want the cheapest DPM they can get, some whoever can start right away or whoever they can get to stay awhile.

Just like a PP or a MSG or anything else, a hospital podiatry dept is as good or bad as its leadership/advisement. If you get malignant people running things, it can be a disaster. If it's someone ethical and competent, it can be awesome. Proceed accordingly, meet and talk to as many people at the job and who have worked there in the past as you possibly can before signing. Figure out what you want; don't just tell them what they want to hear. Those DPMs (and job candidates in any field) who take a job basically sight unseen and relocate cross-country just because it's a 10% pay raise are nuts. Interviews work both ways.

 

[deleted1149159]

You’ve been dealt crappy hands? I don’t know if you work for a DPM, hospital, ortho group or MSG. Or if you’re self employed.

If you have been employed and feel as if you’ve been dealt crappy hands, why wouldn’t you simply move on and be your own boss and open your own practice.

You mentioned that you recommended residents open on their own, but have you followed your own advice so you can no longer be dealt a crappy hand?

For all I know you may have your own practice and the crappy hands could be illness or other unfortunate issue.

You seem to have very strong opinions and if you aren’t self employed, why wouldn’t you so you can set your own destiny?

I was a Canadian citizen. And getting a Green Card was difficult, expensive and took six years. You need an employer sponsor, so I had no choice out of residency but to be an associate and stay one until I got my Green Card. I would have left that first job in six months and done exactly what you recommended at the time, but couldn't. It was either stay there, or go back to Canada. Which was something neither me or my wife (also Canadian) would consider. Once I got my Green Card, I was paying off student loans, $60K in debt from the Green Card process, and had two kids. Also, as an aside, I only got my American Citizenship three years ago. Yep. That's how long it can take legally. 23 years.

Once I had my Green Card, I did go into private practice with someone I considered a close friend. Bought in as a partner, and basically, it was a disaster that cost me everything. When all was said and done, that relationship cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars. I left that area with three kids, and HUGE debt. There was no way to consider starting on my own at that point. And in the Philly area, there are shysters around every corner. Which I knew, but had a family to feed. And that was all that mattered to me then. Getting a paycheck. I put up with all that crap with a smile on my face because I knew my family was cared for. Now that they are older, I can afford a bit more time to do what I want to do. And I am.

Believe it or not, I just cleared all that debt last year. So here I am. @ExperiencedDPM, I want others to avoid making my mistakes. So I try to educate. I take full responsibility for the crappy hand I was dealt. I had circumstances which to me, were worth it. When I got out of residency, the goal was to stay in the USA and eventually become a citizen. And once I had a family, make sure they are cared for. Mission accomplished. I don't know what people's goals are here.

 

[Pronation]

I was a Canadian citizen. And getting a Green Card was difficult, expensive and took six years. You need an employer sponsor, so I had no choice out of residency but to be an associate and stay one until I got my Green Card. I would have left that first job in six months and done exactly what you recommended at the time, but couldn't. It was either stay there, or go back to Canada. Which was something neither me or my wife (also Canadian) would consider. Once I got my Green Card, I was paying off student loans, $60K in debt from the Green Card process, and had two kids. Also, as an aside, I only got my American Citizenship three years ago. Yep. That's how long it can take legally. 23 years.

Once I had my Green Card, I did go into private practice with someone I considered a close friend. Bought in as a partner, and basically, it was a disaster that cost me everything. When all was said and done, that relationship cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars. I left that area with three kids, and HUGE debt. There was no way to consider starting on my own at that point. And in the Philly area, there are shysters around every corner. Which I knew, but had a family to feed. And that was all that mattered to me then. Getting a paycheck. I put up with all that crap with a smile on my face because I knew my family was cared for. Now that they are older, I can afford a bit more time to do what I want to do. And I am.

Believe it or not, I just cleared all that debt last year. So here I am. @ExperiencedDPM, I want others to avoid making my mistakes. So I try to educate. I take full responsibility for the crappy hand I was dealt. I had circumstances which to me, were worth it. When I got out of residency, the goal was to stay in the USA and eventually become a citizen. And once I had a family, make sure they are cared for. Mission accomplished. I don't know what people's goals are here.

Thanks for sharing your story. It shows exactly what people need to know about podiatry.

Sure in the MD/DO world partnerships go sour, but does it take this long to recover financially? Nope.

 

[heybrother]

Thanks for sharing your story. It shows exactly what people need to know about podiatry.

Sure in the MD/DO world partnerships go sour, but does it take this long to recover financially? Nope.

This. Dr. Ron - put down your APMA issued rose colored glasses and embrace the truth. You are a proud Canadian. You could have been so much happier doing anything but podiatry:

-Working as a Mountie
-Drinking Tim Horton's
-Raising dairy cows in Nova Scotia on Anne of Green Gables farm
-Living life in the fast lane in Toronto. Its just like NY, but without all the stuff
-Ice road truckin' in the territories
-Crabbin' in the BC

Podiatry ruined your life. Recognize it. Embrace it. Move on from it.

 

[deleted1149159]

This. Dr. Ron - put down your APMA issued rose colored glasses and embrace the truth. You are a proud Canadian. You could have been so much happier doing anything but podiatry:

-Working as a Mountie
-Drinking Tim Horton's
-Raising dairy cows in Nova Scotia on Anne of Green Gables farm
-Living life in the fast lane in Toronto. Its just like NY, but without all the stuff
-Ice road truckin' in the territories
-Crabbin' in the BC

Podiatry ruined your life. Recognize it. Embrace it. Move on from it.

LOL.

Podiatry didn't ruin my life at all. It didn't kill me. It made me stronger. These were my choices, and I definitely recognize and embrace them. Things have changed for me professionally in an incredibly positive way recently. It's all good.

For me, I have nothing to complain about. My wife and kids are healthy. Clothes on our back, blah, blah, blah. You can chose to be happy, or chose to be a misery. I chose the former. You have the power to do that.

 

[ExperiencedDPM]

Uh oh….Canadian. PLEASE don’t tell me you put mayonnaise on your French fries. If you do, I will have no choice other than contacting the moderators to have you banned.

Almost as disturbing as putting pineapple on pizza.

 

[deleted1149159]

Uh oh….Canadian. PLEASE don’t tell me you put mayonnaise on your French fries. If you do, I will have no choice other than contacting the moderators to have you banned.

Almost as disturbing as putting pineapple on pizza.

Yes, mayo on fries. No, pineapple on pizza.

Ban bat incoming!!

 

[air bud]

Uh oh….Canadian. PLEASE don’t tell me you put mayonnaise on your French fries. If you do, I will have no choice other than contacting the moderators to have you banned.

Almost as disturbing as putting pineapple on pizza.

Be a citizen of the world and mix your mayo and ketchup.

 

[deleted1149159]

Be a citizen of the world and mix your mayo and ketchup.

We do!!

 

[CutsWithFury]

LOL.

Podiatry didn't ruin my life at all. It didn't kill me. It made me stronger. These were my choices, and I definitely recognize and embrace them. Things have changed for me professionally in an incredibly positive way recently. It's all good.

For me, I have nothing to complain about. My wife and kids are healthy. Clothes on our back, blah, blah, blah. You can chose to be happy, or chose to be a misery. I chose the former. You have the power to do that.

Dr. Ron it pains me to see how things turned out for you. I would have to say that you weren't absolutely crippled by debt because your cost of education was probably not as high as it is now. I have to think you went to podiatry quite awhile ago since you did a 1 year residency program.

If you went to school now and paid that tuition cost and had a similar scenario play out in today's market there is zero chance you would ever pay off that debt. I mean come on man. That is the problem I have with other podiatrists coming on here and down playing what we are saying.

Words like entitlement are thrown around or we are just being negative. We are the ones who owe 200-300K debt coming out of podiatry school thinking we can make it back like other "surgeons". But it is not the case unless you land a hospital gig straight out of residency which is challenging to do. Secondly the market sucks. Third we just added a new school we didn't need. Fourth board certification is still a major barrier towards actually using your degree, education, and training to the fullest extent.

Yeah I definitely would never recommend this profession to anyone...ever. I would say my career has been rather successful. Two hospital gigs now back to back since graduating residency. Why should I be complaining right? I complain and inform because I am sad that I see friends and colleagues who went through everything I did and are still bouncing around from private practice to private practice. The schools are lying to prospective students and making this profession look more than it is. Coming out of podiatry school I was really optimistic. In residency I was doing total ankle replacements and big cases thinking I was on top of the world. Then you get out of residency and actually have to practice and you see how crappy we are to each other. You can't just make it on your own accord. You still have to kiss someone's ring to get ahead or you will be defamed by these older more established podiatrists. That is why we are so crappy to each other. The only people we can bully is ourselves because nobody takes podiatry seriously. These are the facts.

 

[deleted1149159]

Dr. Ron it pains me to see how things turned out for you. I would have to say that you weren't absolutely crippled by debt because your cost of education was probably not as high as it is now. I have to think you went to podiatry quite awhile ago since you did a 1 year residency program.

If you went to school now and paid that tuition cost and had a similar scenario play out in today's market there is zero chance you would ever pay off that debt. I mean come on man. That is the problem I have with other podiatrists coming on here and down playing what we are saying.

Words like entitlement are thrown around or we are just being negative. We are the ones who owe 200-300K debt coming out of podiatry school thinking we can make it back like other "surgeons". But it is not the case unless you land a hospital gig straight out of residency which is challenging to do. Secondly the market sucks. Third we just added a new school we didn't need. Fourth board certification is still a major barrier towards actually using your degree, education, and training to the fullest extent.

Yeah I definitely would ever recommend this profession to anyone...ever. I would say my career has been rather successful. Two hospital gigs now back to back since graduating residency. Why should I be complaining right? I complain and inform because I am sad that I see friends and colleagues who went through everything I did and are still bouncing around from private practice to private practice. The schools are lying to prospective students and making this profession look more than it is. Coming of podiatry school I was really optimistic. In residency I was doing total ankle replacements and big cases thinking I was on top of the world. Then you get out of residency and actually have to practice and you see how crappy we are to each other. You can't just make it on your own accord. You still have to kiss the someone's ring to get ahead or you will be defamed by these older more established podiatrists. That is why we are so crappy to each other. The only people we can bully is ourselves because nobody takes podiatry seriously. These are the facts.

Truth be told, my family and I had a medical company in Montreal we started from scratch. We sold the company within ten years, and I used my profit shares in the company to pay off my and my wife's student debt. We also got an inheritance years later which helped with some of our other debt. Without those two helpful situations, I would have had to file for personal bankruptcy for sure.