Advice on timing applications if applying to both MD and DO.

[ILikeDrugs]

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I'm hoping to matriculate in 2011. I'll be applying to both MD and DO schools and have MD schools as my primary option. I wouldn't want to receive a DO acceptance too soon (as ridiculous as that may sound) because if I were to be accepted soon I would have to put down that $1k-3k seat-reserving down payment. Now, if I were to get an MD acceptance after that I would loose that money since it's non-refundable. 👎 So, I am hoping to time my applications so that I can get all my MD acceptance/rejections before my DO acceptances/rejections. I've noticed that the DO primary deadlines (http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/applicants/Pages/Instructions.aspx) are well after MD deadlines. Would it be wise to not apply to DO schools until November-December? This date would be well after MD app deadlines. Does this sort of staggering make sense? Help.

 

[JaggerPlate]

I'm hoping to matriculate in 2011. I'll be applying to both MD and DO schools and have MD schools as my primary option. I wouldn't want to receive a DO acceptance too soon (as ridiculous as that may sound) because if I were to be accepted soon I would have to put down that $1k-3k seat-reserving down payment. Now, if I were to get an MD acceptance after that I would loose that money since it's non-refundable. 👎 So, I am hoping to time my applications so that I can get all my MD acceptance/rejections before my DO acceptances/rejections. I've noticed that the DO primary deadlines (http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/applicants/Pages/Instructions.aspx) are well after MD deadlines. Would it be wise to not apply to DO schools until November-December? This date would be well after MD app deadlines. Does this sort of staggering make sense? Help.

I'm going to be blunt with you here. You've come into the pre-DO forums and said 1. I want MD, DO is a backup 2. How can I stagger my applications so I can purposely get everything from MD schools before I have to bother putting down money on a DO school??? You seriously expect people to help you with this problem??

Lucky, I'm a nice guy ... so I'll help. Here is what you do: Don't apply to DO schools. The applications overlap and it's essentially impossible to do all MD first then all DO considering some schools can offer you interviews up until like April. You clearly don't want to be a DO or go to an Osteopathic medical school so why screw around and hold spots and take interview slots from pre-med students who really want to go to these schools. This is a horrible mentality, and I'm 100% positive you should only apply MD.

 

[Bacchus]

If you have very, very strong statistics for MD schools you should apply to them as early as possible. (When AMCAS opens) If you do this, you can apply to DO schools at the same time. Avoid schools that require their huge deposits before the AACOM trafficking guideline of December 15. You shouldn't have to worry about money if you apply early enough to MD schools as you'll probably get an acceptance before December 15 and be able to pull yourself from the DO schools. If your stats aren't that strong for MD but are for DO then you'll have to apply a bit later for DO. However, I believe after December 15 if you are accepted into a DO school you only have a month to pay your deposit. The only DO school I know of, and there may be more, that doesn't rake you over the coals is PCOM. It requires only a $250 first-time deposit, and a $2000 deposit much later in the cycle (mid-April).

 

[ILikeDrugs]

I'm going to be blunt with you here. You've come into the pre-DO forums and said 1. I want MD, DO is a backup 2. How can I stagger my applications so I can purposely get everything from MD schools before I have to bother putting down money on a DO school??? You seriously expect people to help you with this problem??

Lucky, I'm a nice guy ... so I'll help. Here is what you do: Don't apply to DO schools. The applications overlap and it's essentially impossible to do all MD first then all DO considering some schools can offer you interviews up until like April. You clearly don't want to be a DO or go to an Osteopathic medical school so why screw around and hold spots and take interview slots from pre-med students who really want to go to these schools. This is a horrible mentality, and I'm 100% positive you should only apply MD.

That wasn't a nice guy reply. Don't get so upset, it's just a question. I am pretty sure I am not the only who is doing this. I am trying to get into a competitive residency. So, it would be more advantageous to obtain an MD. I don't care whether I have MD or DO behind my name. I just want to practice medicine in my preferred specialty. I'm just trying increase my chances. And to be honest, I really do like the DO philiosphy more than the allopathic philosophy. But again, it comes down to increasing my chances in obtaining a highly competitive residency. If DO gave me the same advantage that an MD would, I would not hesitate to choose DO. I wasn't trying to offend anyone.

If you have very, very strong statistics for MD schools you should apply to them as early as possible. (When AMCAS opens) If you do this, you can apply to DO schools at the same time. Avoid schools that require their huge deposits before the AACOM trafficking guideline of December 15. You shouldn't have to worry about money if you apply early enough to MD schools as you'll probably get an acceptance before December 15 and be able to pull yourself from the DO schools. If your stats aren't that strong for MD but are for DO then you'll have to apply a bit later for DO. However, I believe after December 15 if you are accepted into a DO school you only have a month to pay your deposit. The only DO school I know of, and there may be more, that doesn't rake you over the coals is PCOM. It requires only a $250 first-time deposit, and a $2000 deposit much later in the cycle (mid-April).

Thanks for the advice.

 

[trep14]

You clearly don't want to be a DO or go to an Osteopathic medical school so why screw around and hold spots and take interview slots from pre-med students who really want to go to these schools. This is a horrible mentality, and I'm 100% positive you should only apply MD.

I disagree with this statement. Medical school admissions are so competitive, you hear stories all the time about people with a 3.9 gpa and 33+ mcat getting rejected by all the schools they applied to because they applied to all top tier schools. For someone whose stats fall between lower tier allo and osteopathic, there is nothing wrong with applying to both. I took the same mentality the OP want to into this cycle and so far I have an acceptance at a M.D. school in my state and a D.O. school in my state. It's looking like I'll probably end up going to the M.D. school (for reasons unrelated to the letters behind the name), but I would have been just as content to go to the D.O. school and can guarantee that I wanted a seat as badly as anyone else. The medical school admissions process is all about covering your bases and applying intelligently and broadly. Mixing it up with M.D. and D.O. schools (even if you apply D.O. as a backup) is certainly a smart strategy. And I'd highly doubt the D.O. schools would complain too much, they are laughing to the bank with the nonrefundable deposits that they get. Medical schools in general are used to getting rejected by candidates. They just cash your deposit and offer your spot to someone on the waitlist, no problem.

 

[trep14]

The only DO school I know of, and there may be more, that doesn't rake you over the coals is PCOM. It requires only a $250 first-time deposit, and a $2000 deposit much later in the cycle (mid-April).

OUCOM only required a $100 deposit...but if the OP is out of state, he or she will have to sign a contract saying you'll practice medicine in the state of Ohio for five years after you are done with your residency, so it has its downsides...

 

[JaggerPlate]

I disagree with this statement. Medical school admissions are so competitive, you hear stories all the time about people with a 3.9 gpa and 33+ mcat getting rejected by all the schools they applied to because they applied to all top tier schools. For someone whose stats fall between lower tier allo and osteopathic, there is nothing wrong with applying to both. I took the same mentality the OP want to into this cycle and so far I have an acceptance at a M.D. school in my state and a D.O. school in my state. It's looking like I'll probably end up going to the M.D. school (for reasons unrelated to the letters behind the name), but I would have been just as content to go to the D.O. school and can guarantee that I wanted a seat as badly as anyone else. The medical school admissions process is all about covering your bases and applying intelligently and broadly. Mixing it up with M.D. and D.O. schools (even if you apply D.O. as a backup) is certainly a smart strategy. And I'd highly doubt the D.O. schools would complain too much, they are laughing to the bank with the nonrefundable deposits that they get. Medical schools in general are used to getting rejected by candidates. They just cash your deposit and offer your spot to someone on the waitlist, no problem.

Trust me ... as someone who just applied, I know the game. I also NEVER said there is anything wrong with applying both. I did. You don't have to have a bust of AT Still on your desk to want to be a DO. Frankly, you can just be someone who wants to become a physician. It's competitive as hell and, in my opinion, people who don't apply both are foolish. However, this isn't what the OP said. If he came in here and said 'hey, I'm applying both, just want to be a doc, how can I make this most cost effective?' ... you would have seen a different response from me. Call it being jaded, call it spending too much time on these forums, I don't care. BUT it gets super easy to read through BS, and the OP wasn't even hiding it well. People can jump down my throat all they want, but I'm not going to give a reply to someone who comes into pre-Osteo and asks for the best advice on how to use DO as a backup.

 

[JaggerPlate]

That wasn't a nice guy reply.

Step 1: Catch sarcasm

Don't get so upset, it's just a question

Ya know, if I walked up to someone in a bar and asked 'why are you such a pansy?', that would be a question too ... but I wouldn't get surprised when that guy punched me in the face.

I am pretty sure I am not the only who is doing this.

Nope, not at all ... but the other people are wise enough not to ask about it in pre-osteo.

I am trying to get into a competitive residency.

Here is where I stop caring that I'm not being nice. This is such a stupid, cliche response. 'I want a competitive residency.' Oh really?? Define competitive. Are we talking only ROADS??? No? What field?? What is your COMLEX/USMLE?? What are your pre-clinical grades like??? Good LORs from your 3rd/4th year rotations?? How did your audition rotations go???

OH wait ... you aren't even applying for a year. I know sometimes we (pre-meds) are wired to naturally seek honor, respect, the hardest, most competitive thing we can find ... but a response this vacant, stock, recycled (etc) just lets me know that you really aren't thinking about it in detail.

What if you get into an MD school and want to do derm, but you don't have a 260 step 1 and two years of research??? What if that DO school you didn't go to allowed you to do an audition rotation at a derm residency in the same state and you landed it because you impressed the PD??? The mindset that MD automatically = more competitive just has no merit, especially when you don't even know what field you're talking about, nor do you really know how competitive obtaining such residency is.

So, it would be more advantageous to obtain an MD.

See above rant. If you can rebuke any of it with facts (not repeats of things you have heard on SDN), be my guest.

I just want to practice medicine in my preferred specialty.

Good

I'm just trying increase my chances.

That's smart ... but again, know what this phrase really means before you spout it off like the other stock 'I don't care what letters are behind my name' answers.

And to be honest, I really do like the DO philiosphy more than the allopathic philosophy.

Again, I feel like your responses are cut and paste SDN catch phrases, and this, to me, feels thinly veiled and poorly researched, and this is why I'm being an ass. If you really do your research, I think you'll find that this distinct difference in philosophy is not quite as defined as you'd assume it is as a pre-med reading SDN.

But again, it comes down to increasing my chances in obtaining a highly competitive residency. If DO gave me the same advantage that an MD would, I would not hesitate to choose DO. I wasn't trying to offend anyone.

I think I've made my point about the 'highly competitive residency' phrase. There are way too many factors your aren't looking into here, and anyone who thinks I'm attacking you ... isn't thinking about them either. I still disagree with your attitude completely and I would advise you to do more research and not start threads in pre-DO where you talk about using DO as a backup to achieve something that you aren't sure about, missing information about, and contains too many variables to comprehend at this time.

 

[ILikeDrugs]

LOL.I'm not asking you to believe what I said. I am telling you what I believe. You should really get yourself a soma prescription and maybe get some fresh air every now n then. Doesn't it hurt to walk around with buttcheecks clenched so tightly?

 

[JaggerPlate]

Doesn't it hurt to walk around with buttcheecks clenched so tightly?

If I unclench them, the stick will fall out (aka JaggerPlate has a stick up his arse)


Listen bud ... I know I can be harsh, and you can assume whatever you want about me, but I promise you my points were sound. Don't just assume that you can land integrated PRS because you're an MD and don't assume you couldn't become a PRS doc being a DO. It's up to the student and what you are able to do with your own talent, drive, and ambition. If I were you (and I know this because I just did this) I'd apply to both at the same time (AACOMAS opens May 1st, AMCAS opens June 1-5th sometime), apply widely, interview, and make your decisions based on what is important to you. If after all that time you are sitting on an MD and DO acceptance and you still feel the opportunities will be greater to land 'a competitive residency' as an MD, and this is your biggest priority, go for it.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

I say don't waste your money and only apply to MD schools since that's your top choice.

 

[BlitzSleep]

I'm going to be blunt with you here. You've come into the pre-DO forums and said 1. I want MD, DO is a backup 2. How can I stagger my applications so I can purposely get everything from MD schools before I have to bother putting down money on a DO school??? You seriously expect people to help you with this problem??

Lucky, I'm a nice guy ... so I'll help. Here is what you do: Don't apply to DO schools. The applications overlap and it's essentially impossible to do all MD first then all DO considering some schools can offer you interviews up until like April. You clearly don't want to be a DO or go to an Osteopathic medical school so why screw around and hold spots and take interview slots from pre-med students who really want to go to these schools. This is a horrible mentality, and I'm 100% positive you should only apply MD.

People like you are so fake. Let me guess, you want to go to a DO school because of their outlook on medicine. How often do you think my orthopedic surgeon that is a DO practices OMM? You're so full of crap it's not even funny. Trust me, you're not going to win a nobel prize with your BS attitude. People like me and ILikeDrugs care about one thing. We want to be a doctor that practices medicine and don't care which title we have to obtain. Trust me, your worthless/selfish advice should be kept to yourself.

 

[Kramerica]

I kinda agree with Blitzsleep, even though I am interested in OMM I am attending a DO School next year because at the end of the day I want to practice medicine as a career.

Anyway Ilikedrugs (awesome mario thing btw), I would just apply both at the same time (early) and just push back your interviews for DO or schedule late interviews (just make up some circumstance) if you think you are competitive enough to get in later in the cycle.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

People like you are so fake. Let me guess, you want to go to a DO school because of their outlook on medicine. How often do you think my orthopedic surgeon that is a DO practices OMM? You're so full of crap it's not even funny. Trust me, you're not going to win a nobel prize with your BS attitude. People like me and ILikeDrugs care about one thing. We want to be a doctor that practices medicine and don't care which title we have to obtain. Trust me, your worthless/selfish advice should be kept to yourself.

If you have ever read any of Jagger's post then you know he doesn't believe in the hype about the DO philosophy. I think anyone whose been on SDN as long as Jagger has, knows that 90% of DOs (percentage I'm pulling out of my ass) don't practice OMM. Nobody cares if you apply to both types of medical school, but if your ultimate goal is to get into an MD school, then why bother applying to DO schools? If your looking to gain a competitive residency spot and you feel that going to a DO school will not achieve that then don't apply.

 

[JaggerPlate]

People like you are so fake. Let me guess, you want to go to a DO school because of their outlook on medicine. How often do you think my orthopedic surgeon that is a DO practices OMM? You're so full of crap it's not even funny. Trust me, you're not going to win a nobel prize with your BS attitude. People like me and ILikeDrugs care about one thing. We want to be a doctor that practices medicine and don't care which title we have to obtain. Trust me, your worthless/selfish advice should be kept to yourself.

Seriously, like PunkMed said ... you've completely overlooked just about every point I made and actually brushed up against some logic I was shooting for in your own amateur retort. I won't waste anymore time on you until the reading comprehension skills improve.

 

[nikon]

Seriously, like PunkMed said ... you've completely overlooked just about every point I made and actually brushed up against some logic I was shooting for in your own amateur retort. I won't waste anymore time on you until the reading comprehension skills improve.

JaggerPlate might be a little blunt, but he's right. If I were OP I'd appreciate Jagger's honest opinions and his taking the time to answer the questions.

 

[Bacchus]

People like you are so fake. Let me guess, you want to go to a DO school because of their outlook on medicine. How often do you think my orthopedic surgeon that is a DO practices OMM? You're so full of crap it's not even funny. Trust me, you're not going to win a nobel prize with your BS attitude. People like me and ILikeDrugs care about one thing. We want to be a doctor that practices medicine and don't care which title we have to obtain. Trust me, your worthless/selfish advice should be kept to yourself.

As an orthopod he should be practicing more than many other docs.

 

[123165]

Step 1: Catch sarcasm



Ya know, if I walked up to someone in a bar and asked 'why are you such a pansy?', that would be a question too ... but I wouldn't get surprised when that guy punched me in the face.




Nope, not at all ... but the other people are wise enough not to ask about it in pre-osteo.



Here is where I stop caring that I'm not being nice. This is such a stupid, cliche response. 'I want a competitive residency.' Oh really?? Define competitive. Are we talking only ROADS??? No? What field?? What is your COMLEX/USMLE?? What are your pre-clinical grades like??? Good LORs from your 3rd/4th year rotations?? How did your audition rotations go???

OH wait ... you aren't even applying for a year. I know sometimes we (pre-meds) are wired to naturally seek honor, respect, the hardest, most competitive thing we can find ... but a response this vacant, stock, recycled (etc) just lets me know that you really aren't thinking about it in detail.

What if you get into an MD school and want to do derm, but you don't have a 260 step 1 and two years of research??? What if that DO school you didn't go to allowed you to do an audition rotation at a derm residency in the same state and you landed it because you impressed the PD??? The mindset that MD automatically = more competitive just has no merit, especially when you don't even know what field you're talking about, nor do you really know how competitive obtaining such residency is.



See above rant. If you can rebuke any of it with facts (not repeats of things you have heard on SDN), be my guest.



Good



That's smart ... but again, know what this phrase really means before you spout it off like the other stock 'I don't care what letters are behind my name' answers.




Again, I feel like your responses are cut and paste SDN catch phrases, and this, to me, feels thinly veiled and poorly researched, and this is why I'm being an ass. If you really do your research, I think you'll find that this distinct difference in philosophy is not quite as defined as you'd assume it is as a pre-med reading SDN.



I think I've made my point about the 'highly competitive residency' phrase. There are way too many factors your aren't looking into here, and anyone who thinks I'm attacking you ... isn't thinking about them either. I still disagree with your attitude completely and I would advise you to do more research and not start threads in pre-DO where you talk about using DO as a backup to achieve something that you aren't sure about, missing information about, and contains too many variables to comprehend at this time.

Well said, sir. I would not mind seeing a sticky for this.

 

[rddoms]

Seriously, like PunkMed said ... you've completely overlooked just about every point I made and actually brushed up against some logic I was shooting for in your own amateur retort. I won't waste anymore time on you until the reading comprehension skills improve.

Epic! Jaggerplate is one of the most well-versed SDN'ers out there, don't mess with him!

OP: Apply to DO ONLY if you would be happy with the degree. I know a doc (VERY rare, but it happens) who is upset that he went to a DO school. I could imagine nothing worse than spending 4 years and $250,000 to have a pissy attitude about the letters after my name. His feelings are completely irrational, but they are present none the less.

If the above statement doesn't describe you, then stagger your applications like the example in your first post.

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Epic! Jaggerplate is one of the most well-versed SDN'ers out there, don't mess with him!

OP: Apply to DO ONLY if you would be happy with the degree. I know a doc (VERY rare, but it happens) who is upset that he went to a DO school. I could imagine nothing worse than spending 4 years and $250,000 to have a pissy attitude about the letters after my name. His feelings are completely irrational, but they are present none the less.

If the above statement doesn't describe you, then stagger your applications like the example in your first post.

Exactly.

 

[missDO]

JaggerPlate might be a little blunt, but he's right. If I were OP I'd appreciate Jagger's honest opinions and his taking the time to answer the questions.

I 100% second this. Very honest words of advice which, if I were the OP, I would take into consideration. If jagger were that much of an ass as some of you may have misinterpreted, he would've probably been kicked off SDN by now 😉 He's just giving you his honest, merited opinion.

OP--I agree with those above who advise you to apply as early as possible, to both. I applied strictly MD, 17 schools, in August of last year (unknowingly quite late in the cycle, per fault of my bs premed committee, but that's a whole other animal). When I received my low 23P MCAT in September, that very day I submitted my AACOMAS to 10 DO schools. I was never against DO, I just hadn't considered it nor did I know much at all about osteopathy. I had only decided at the end of my junior year to even apply to medical school at all. Furthermore, I was aware that DO schools' MCAT averages were lower and more forgiving than my many MD schools. So, I applied DO...and I wish I had done it earlier! I ended up only following through with 3 MD secondaries. What was and is still most important to me is becoming a physician. Both degrees will get me there, and as jagger mentions above--it is all about you, the student. How YOU do on boards, how YOU do in clinicals, the effort YOU put forth. I don't care what school you're coming from, if those credentials kick ass, you will get the residency you want. Of course Yale Med will give you an edge...top tiers give an edge over any--non-top tier MD or DO school--all the same.

I like the DO philosphy, too, but after shadowing two DOs and talking more and more to DOs and MDs, alike, I have found that OMM is much less a "differentiating" factor between the two titles than many pre-meds have been led to believe. When it comes down to it, both are medical doctors who can do all the exact same things, including OMM--which, according to the family practitioner DO who I shadowed, many MDs are beginning to more broadly utilize and explore.

My thoughts in a nut shell: apply broadly, MD and DO. Both degrees can get you to that killer specialty residency so long as you work your butt off in medical school. Good luck in your app process next year 🙂

 

[JaggerPlate]

Haha, thanks for all the props guys!!

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Haha, thanks for all the props guys!!

Now you gonna think your the shiznit.🙄

 

[Longshanks]

LOL.I'm not asking you to believe what I said. I am telling you what I believe. You should really get yourself a soma prescription and maybe get some fresh air every now n then. Doesn't it hurt to walk around with buttcheecks clenched so tightly?

A soma prescription? Sorry buddy but Brand New World didn't happen yet. You came in here implying, "Hey, I don't want DO, not seriously considering DO and don't want it to pay anything, so how do I play the game so that its the ultimate back up that I have no interest in" in a forum dedicated to DO. Of course you're going to get attitudes from people with the entitled attitude you approached the subject with. Maybe you'll get rid of that attitude before interviews next year.

I say don't waste your money and only apply to MD schools since that's your top choice.

This 👍

 

[ILikeDrugs]

A soma prescription? Sorry buddy but Brand New World didn't happen yet. You came in here implying, "Hey, I don't want DO, not seriously considering DO and don't want it to pay anything, so how do I play the game so that its the ultimate back up that I have no interest in" in a forum dedicated to DO. Of course you're going to get attitudes from people with the entitled attitude you approached the subject with. Maybe you'll get rid of that attitude before interviews next year.

It's Brave New World. Nice try though. You keep telling yourself you know exactly what's in my head. You don't. Everyone has secondary options. Not you though. I bet you're only applying to one school. Don't get so butt hurt. You didn't start crying did you?

 

[rddoms]

It's Brave New World. Nice try though. You keep telling yourself you know exactly what's in my head. You don't. Everyone has secondary options. Not you though. I bet you're only applying to one school. Don't get so butt hurt. You didn't start crying did you?

Alright, that's enough. This thread has become a pissing contest, and is of no use anymore. You came here to get the opinions of others regarding your situation, and you did. Maybe you didn't get the answers you were looking for, but that's the way it goes sometimes. There is no reason for you to start acting like this, just let it go.

 

[csmittyB]

I'm hoping to matriculate in 2011. I'll be applying to both MD and DO schools and have MD schools as my primary option. I wouldn't want to receive a DO acceptance too soon (as ridiculous as that may sound) because if I were to be accepted soon I would have to put down that $1k-3k seat-reserving down payment. Now, if I were to get an MD acceptance after that I would loose that money since it's non-refundable. 👎 So, I am hoping to time my applications so that I can get all my MD acceptance/rejections before my DO acceptances/rejections. I've noticed that the DO primary deadlines (http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/applicants/Pages/Instructions.aspx) are well after MD deadlines. Would it be wise to not apply to DO schools until November-December? This date would be well after MD app deadlines. Does this sort of staggering make sense? Help.

Get a part time job or work over the summer and save up the $1-3K. BTW, for Touro-NV, all but $100 of the deposit is refundable.

If you really want to hear back from an MD school early, apply EDP, its a great idea 🙄.

 

[ILikeDrugs]

Alright, that's enough. This thread has become a pissing contest, and is of no use anymore. You came here to get the opinions of others regarding your situation, and you did. Maybe you didn't get the answers you were looking for, but that's the way it goes sometimes. There is no reason for you to start acting like this, just let it go.

No, this thread turned into people getting butt hurt because someone doesn't have certain schools as their top schools and is still applying to those schools. I never asked for "You don't care about certain schools the way I do!" remarks. I think some people need to get over the fact that some schools, both MD and DO, aren't always going to be top priority on everyone's list. Telling someone not to apply just reeks of spite. 🙄

 

[djd2187]

I am not sure if someone has already said this, and judging from the responses, its unlikely.

If I were you, I would apply during the same time as MD schools, because AACOMAS is really slow in their verification process. I would just pick one DO school that you really want to go to and add schools later in the cycle if you do not hear a positive response back from MD schools. By October, you should start thinking about adding more DO schools if you havn't heard back from MD schools, since most schools will start backing up their interviews by November. I hope this helps, and good luck with your application process. It's always good to have safety schools.

 

[Bacchus]

Get a part time job or work over the summer and save up the $1-3K. BTW, for Touro-NV, all but $100 of the deposit is refundable.

If you really want to hear back from an MD school early, apply EDP, its a great idea 🙄.

TUNV returns that money because they're legally obligated to by the state of Nevada. It is the only school to do so.

 

[just one]

I'm hoping to matriculate in 2011. I'll be applying to both MD and DO schools and have MD schools as my primary option. I wouldn't want to receive a DO acceptance too soon (as ridiculous as that may sound) because if I were to be accepted soon I would have to put down that $1k-3k seat-reserving down payment. Now, if I were to get an MD acceptance after that I would loose that money since it's non-refundable. 👎 So, I am hoping to time my applications so that I can get all my MD acceptance/rejections before my DO acceptances/rejections. I've noticed that the DO primary deadlines (http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/applicants/Pages/Instructions.aspx) are well after MD deadlines. Would it be wise to not apply to DO schools until November-December? This date would be well after MD app deadlines. Does this sort of staggering make sense? Help.

This person just doesn't get it.



I don't know why I will try and help but I will. Apply at the same time. Defer your interviews until a later round. Case closed. Simple as that. Of course you show great ignorance thinking all DO schools have high deposits (amongst other areas, namely every argument against DO), OSU-COM is $100 and refundable up to April 15.

 

[just one]

Out of curiosity, what is this coveted specialty that you are interested in that DO would make it harder to achieve?

 

[PunkmedGirl]

No, this thread turned into people getting butt hurt because someone doesn't have certain schools as their top schools and is still applying to those schools. I never asked for "You don't care about certain schools the way I do!" remarks. I think some people need to get over the fact that some schools, both MD and DO, aren't always going to be top priority on everyone's list. Telling someone not to apply just reeks of spite. 🙄

LMAO!!!! That's funny.

You stated in your OP, that your top choice is to get into MD schools because you want to go into a competitive specialty, and believe that your chances are slim in obtaining that if you go DO? Is that correct? Generally most of us gave you the same advice that would have been giving in the pre-allo forum, but you critize our posts for being butthurt (or however that phrase goes)? If you feel it would be easier getting your specialty of choice as a MD, then why not only apply to MD schools? How is that spiteful? I can care less if you believe in the "DO" or not, but you started a thread seeking advice and we gave it. Just because you don't like what you heard/saw doesn't mean our booties are sore from it.
I mean think about it, why are you going to waste all of your energy and money pursuing DO schools (primaries, secondaries, interview costs, etc...), when you know you're not going to go a DO school if you get accepted to a MD school? Why not just go hard for MD or go home. (You know go hard or go home..ok I quit with the hip sayings lol) This is my thinking.



I really need to get hip to these terms, I feel like an oldhead.😀

 

[Longshanks]

It's Brave New World. Nice try though. You keep telling yourself you know exactly what's in my head. You don't. Everyone has secondary options. Not you though. I bet you're only applying to one school. Don't get so butt hurt. You didn't start crying did you?

Wow you rip on me for making a typo. Of course its Brave New World. Keep grasping at straws, I never claimed to know whats in your head, rather present your implicit argument, but either you are a man of your words or you're talking out the side of your mouth.

Yeah, buddy, I'm applying to one school 🙄. They gave you sound advice that you didn't like since it isn't what you wanted. I pointed out how ridiculous you were acting in not getting your way. Get over it.

P.S. why the obsession with butts?

 

[snurpy]

Wow you rip on me for making a typo. Of course its Brave New World. Keep grasping at straws, I never claimed to know whats in your head, rather present your implicit argument, but either you are a man of your words or you're talking out the side of your mouth.

Yeah, buddy, I'm applying to one school 🙄. They gave you sound advice that you didn't like since it isn't what you wanted. I pointed out how ridiculous you were acting in not getting your way. Get over it.

P.S. why the obsession with butts?

Gunning for proctology residencies that he can't get as a DO? 😛

 

[Kramerica]

You guys are all acting pretty douchy, if I hadn't known any better I would have assumed this is the Pre-Allo forum.

I'm hoping to matriculate in 2011. I'll be applying to both MD and DO schools and have MD schools as my primary option. I wouldn't want to receive a DO acceptance too soon (as ridiculous as that may sound) because if I were to be accepted soon I would have to put down that $1k-3k seat-reserving down payment. Now, if I were to get an MD acceptance after that I would loose that money since it's non-refundable. 👎 So, I am hoping to time my applications so that I can get all my MD acceptance/rejections before my DO acceptances/rejections. I've noticed that the DO primary deadlines (http://www.aacom.org/InfoFor/applicants/Pages/Instructions.aspx) are well after MD deadlines. Would it be wise to not apply to DO schools until November-December? This date would be well after MD app deadlines. Does this sort of staggering make sense? Help.

He said it was his primary option. Not this only option. No need to get on your high horses and attack him for being honest. I've said this before but I'm likely going to attend a DO school that I love but my MD state schools are my primary option. I see no reason to be up in arms over his admission of this info.

ILD, apply at the same time and defer interviews, and take these people's responses with a grain of salt, we're not all jerks.

 

[just one]

you guys are all acting pretty douchy, if i hadn't known any better i would have assumed this is the pre-allo forum.



He said it was his primary option. Not this only option. No need to get on your high horses and attack him for being honest. I've said this before but i'm likely going to attend a do school that i love but my md state schools are my primary option. I see no reason to be up in arms over his admission of this info.

Ild, apply at the same time and defer interviews, and take these people's responses with a grain of salt, we're not all jerks.

no soup for you!

 

[csmittyB]

No, this thread turned into people getting butt hurt because someone doesn't have certain schools as their top schools and is still applying to those schools. I never asked for "You don't care about certain schools the way I do!" remarks. I think some people need to get over the fact that some schools, both MD and DO, aren't always going to be top priority on everyone's list. Telling someone not to apply just reeks of spite. 🙄

Right, how rude of us to be somewhat offended when you say you only want DO if you don't get MD.

Here's a fun experiment. Go to a bar and find a nice girl. Go up to her and say "hey, I'm not that interested in you. I'm only talking to you now so that if the girl I'm really interested in shoots me down, I can use you as a backup." See how they reply to that. Some may appreciate your honesty. I'd guess most would be "butt hurt".

 

[PunkmedGirl]

You guys are all acting pretty douchy, if I hadn't known any better I would have assumed this is the Pre-Allo forum.



He said it was his primary option. Not this only option. No need to get on your high horses and attack him for being honest. I've said this before but I'm likely going to attend a DO school that I love but my MD state schools are my primary option. I see no reason to be up in arms over his admission of this info.

ILD, apply at the same time and defer interviews, and take these people's responses with a grain of salt, we're not all jerks.

Doesn't that mean first choice😕 It seems to me that you guys are the ones who are feeling the butthurt. ( Did I say it right this time. 😀) Because suggesting that he only applies to MD schools, since DO is not his PRIMARY (top, first, etc) choice is not demonstrating douchebaggery here, its called an honest opinion.

 

[244869]

And I thought the podiatry forums were over defensive...geez.

Give the guy/girl a break. The number one goal for pre-meds is physician and/or physician of a certain specialty. The OP has stated that he/she is looking at a particular competitive specialty. It's just logical to do whatever it takes to increase his/her chances. If a US MD school will provide a better chance into matching in that specialty then a US MD should be the first choice.

Nothing wrong with using DO as a "backup". Truth is that entering stats for DO is much lower than entering stats for MD. These are just facts...same as the fact that state MD schools have lower entering stats than Harvard or Johns Hopkins. Many pre-meds in the allopathic forums with amazing stats, ie 4.0 and 35, use their state schools as back ups...and when people say this you don't see alumni from that state school rushing in ready to tell them, "Don't bother applying if so and so state school is not your first choice."

OP...your number 1 goal is to become a physician. Apply as early as possible to both DO and MD. If DO acceptances roll around before MD then send a deposit to the DO school you actually see yourself going to next year. You might also want to weigh in the cost of the deposit if you have more than 1 DO acceptance. Then when MD acceptances roll around you can make the choice of where to go then. It's just cheaper to pay the $500 or $1000 or even $2000 than wasting a year and reapplying.

 

[iatros]

tangent:

You guys are all acting pretty douchy, if I hadn't known any better I would have assumed this is the Pre-Allo forum.

interesting that there's an obvious difference in the attitudes of preosteo and preallo.

i wonder if there's a link between being academically gifted and social ineptitude.

 

[JaggerPlate]

And I thought the podiatry forums were over defensive...geez.

Give the guy/girl a break. The number one goal for pre-meds is physician and/or physician of a certain specialty. The OP has stated that he/she is looking at a particular competitive specialty. It's just logical to do whatever it takes to increase his/her chances. If a US MD school will provide a better chance into matching in that specialty then a US MD should be the first choice.

Nothing wrong with using DO as a "backup". Truth is that entering stats for DO is much lower than entering stats for MD. These are just facts...same as the fact that state MD schools have lower entering stats than Harvard or Johns Hopkins. Many pre-meds in the allopathic forums with amazing stats, ie 4.0 and 35, use their state schools as back ups...and when people say this you don't see alumni from that state school rushing in ready to tell them, "Don't bother applying if so and so state school is not your first choice."

OP...your number 1 goal is to become a physician. Apply as early as possible to both DO and MD. If DO acceptances roll around before MD then send a deposit to the DO school you actually see yourself going to next year. You might also want to weigh in the cost of the deposit if you have more than 1 DO acceptance. Then when MD acceptances roll around you can make the choice of where to go then. It's just cheaper to pay the $500 or $1000 or even $2000 than wasting a year and reapplying.

Laugh. Thanks for your input!!! I think there are some people in pre-pharm looking for your advice too 🙄


Why is no one actually reading the real responses in this thread????????????

 

[zetabetazeta]

Well, I actually have the same question. I'm going to apply for both DO and MD. My top choice would be Western. My ultimate goal is to practice medicine, and I don't really care if I will get a DO or MD. I am planning to shadow both DO doctors and MD doctors and see which one I would like better. But I really don't see the big differences between DOs and MDs though.

 

[zetabetazeta]

Do you guys mind taking a look at my stats and my ECs and giving me some suggestions? I really need help. Thank you!

 

[PunkmedGirl]

Do you guys mind taking a look at my stats and my ECs and giving me some suggestions? I really need help. Thank you!

You're in good shape no worries.🙂

 

[JaggerPlate]

Do you guys mind taking a look at my stats and my ECs and giving me some suggestions? I really need help. Thank you!

Stats/ECs look good. If I could make one suggestion ... get LORs from professors. The research doc, church leader, etc, will be good, but most schools want a few Sci LOR or a few Sci LOR + non-Sci LOR.

 

[CardioPlus]

Stats/ECs look good. If I could make one suggestion ... get LORs from professors. The research doc, church leader, etc, will be good, but most schools want a few Sci LOR or a few Sci LOR + non-Sci LOR.

Agreed

 

[zetabetazeta]

Stats/ECs look good. If I could make one suggestion ... get LORs from professors. The research doc, church leader, etc, will be good, but most schools want a few Sci LOR or a few Sci LOR + non-Sci LOR.

Ahhh, that sucks! I haven't built any relationships with any professors yet. I just thought it might be good to have different recommendation letters from different kind of people, so medical schools can have a better idea about who I am 🙂

Thank you for helping me! Now I'm a little bit more confident about myself =]