Affirmative Action Case and Medical School

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We've only known about these martians for several hours and they're already being hated on. I thought we lived in a post-racial society!?
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shinbeats said:
You're not going to get into medical school. Any interviewer in their right mind would see past all the facade of you supposedly working hard to help African Americans your whole life. You're quite blatantly a racist and you might not realize it but your wording makes it very obvious. I would love to see you tell an interviewer that African Americans are lazy that's why they are in the bottom of society today. Let me know how that works out 😉
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Lets get one thing straight. I am not a racist. I have made that clear with this post

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13175439&postcount=526

Which of course, all you URM racist **its didn't respond too. So get a life. Oh and also any interviewer that talks to you will deduce the following:

1. Feeling of entitlement
2. Animosity towards ORM's.
3. Butthurt

🙂

MuAgonist said:
If they gave me a handicap it just wouldn't be fair for you.
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We all know you need it more buddy. Thats why your so butt hurt on defending your precious AA. The only thing i'm here arguing about is equal evaluation for all applicants regardless of skin color. But of course thats so damn evil ain't it?
 
Hemorrage said:
Lets get one thing straight. I am not a racist. I have made that clear with this post

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13175439&postcount=526

Which of course, all you URM racist **its didn't respond too. So get a life. Oh and also any interviewer that talks to you will deduce the following:

1. Feeling of entitlement
2. Animosity towards ORM's.
3. Butthurt

🙂



We all know you need it more buddy. Thats why your so butt hurt on defending your precious AA.
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First of all, learn grammar. Second of all, I'm pretty sure the mediocre, ORM ranting up this thread is the butt hurt one.
 
Hemorrage said:
Lets get one thing straight. I am not a racist. I have made that clear with this post

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13175439&postcount=526

Which of course, all you URM racist **its didn't respond too. So get a life. Oh and also any interviewer that talks to you will deduce the following:

1. Feeling of entitlement
2. Animosity towards ORM's.
3. Butthurt

🙂



We all know you need it more buddy. Thats why your so butt hurt on defending your precious AA. The only thing i'm here arguing about is equal evaluation for all applicants regardless of skin color. But of course thats so damn evil ain't it?
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Looks like someone forgot to take their after-breakfast enemas. You are as butthurt as you claim it is.

The bolded can be present in an ideal world and realistically is not possible. Everyone is simply too biased to objectively judge EVERYONE or ANYTHING and make appropriate decisions. That simple, kid.
 
shinbeats said:
Well that's where affirmative action comes to play because AA is not about "adjusting" it's not just about Martians anymore it's about providing physicians that can treat earthlings. It would be reasonable to assume that it would take Earthlings quite a while to "adjust" so the Martians recruit more earthlings to make sure they have a working force that better understands that population. Martians also lower the stats because they know that the only way earthlings will be able to get accepted into a highly competitive field is by either providing a fundamentally strong education or by lowering the stats. Unfortunately providing a strong foundation after so many years requires a lot of funding so they take an easier route and they lower the requirements of the stats. Martians complain about 6 % of the physician seats being taken over by Earthlings with lower stats but they forget that the purpose of lowering the stats is to fulfill the need of the earthlings. Just because the Martians took the easier route and lowered the stats instead of providing better foundational education is no fault of the earthlings. Thus, to simply remove an action that is providing some solution to the problem or by increasing the stats without providing better education on the foundational level with be an injustice to earthlings and a convenience for Martians. Let me know if this still isn't clicking 🙄
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Just thought I would commend you on the quality of posts supporting the argument. The guys stinking up this thread are too closed minded to even consider the idea and often points are restated ad nauseum. This post is the "dummies" version so everyone can read and comprehend or learn. The ultimate purpose of this thread is to exchange ideas and argue the, effectively. Even with our very strong viewpoints, we can--gasp!--play the devil's advocate for argument's sake. After all:

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle
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MuAgonist said:
First of all, learn grammar. Second of all, I'm pretty sure the mediocre, ORM ranting up this thread is the butt hurt one.
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Ohh!! What a comeback! I'm in awe of your ability to point out my weakness!

Typical. You avoid the main concept i have continually brought up throughout this entire thread.

Why are you so against equal evaluation for all applicants? If white/asian applicants are expected to meet a certain academic point, why is it suddenly ok for URM students to not meet that same level of quality? Huh? You guys really don't have a good answer for this do you?

URM's deserve the right to become physicians and serve their respective communities (i have no argument saying URM's shouldn't go to medical school, in fact i think we should encourage them to), however, these communities deserve physicians of the same caliber as any other nonURM community. AA is both berating for high achieving URM students and indirectly discriminatory for Non-URM students.

Tell me this. Would you accept an ORM that has as 3.2/27? Most likely not. Would you accept a URM that has a 3.2/27? Its quite possible. Now why is there such a big difference there? If theres some secret relationship between skin color and hidden potential, please enlighten me.
 
shinbeats said:
Earth people are kidnapped, taken to Mars, enslaved for few hundred years but are not taught how to read or write the Martian language or to use advanced Martian technology. Then one day, the Earthlings are "freed", which consists mainly of being turned out of the homes of their Martian masters with no food, no money, no way to get back to Earth even if they wanted to go and no training in anything except being personal servants to Martians. Even then the Martians pass laws that prohibit the equal rights of Earthlings by discriminating and passing segregation laws. Just how long would we expect it to take for these Earthlings to "adjust" and "be successful" in Martian society under those conditions?
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Hemorrage said:
Ohh!! What a comeback! I'm in awe of your ability to point out my weakness!

Typical. You avoid the main concept i have continually brought up throughout this entire thread.

Why are you so against equal evaluation for all applicants? If white/asian applicants are expected to meet a certain academic point, why is it suddenly ok for URM students to not meet that same level of quality? Huh? You guys really don't have a good answer for this do you?

URM's deserve the right to become physicians and serve their respective communities (i have no argument saying URM's shouldn't go to medical school, in fact i think we should encourage them to), however, these communities deserve physicians of the same caliber as any other nonURM community. AA is both berating for high achieving URM students and indirectly discriminatory for Non-URM students.

Tell me this. Would you accept an ORM that has as 3.2/27? Most likely not. Would you accept a URM that has a 3.2/27? Its quite possible. Now why is there such a big difference there? If theres some secret relationship between skin color and hidden potential, please enlighten me.
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tn4596 said:
You are quite enamored with this silly question.
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kpcrew said:
I can see why Martians would trust the Earthlings that were unable to adjust to be successful in treating them for their Martian diseases. Chirp chirp.
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Well that's where affirmative action comes to play because AA is not about "adjusting" it's not just about Martians anymore it's about providing physicians that can treat earthlings.Martians recruit more earthlings to make sure they have a working force that better understands that population. It would be reasonable to assume that it would take Earthlings quite a while to "adjust" so knowing that Martians lower the stats because they know that the only way earthlings will be able to get accepted into a highly competitive field is by either providing them with a fundamentally strong education or by lowering the stats. Unfortunately providing a strong foundation after so many years requires a lot of funding so they take an easier route and they lower the requirements of the stats. The offspring of the Martians that never saw the pain, the suffering and hardly heard of it from their generations complain about 6 % of the physician seats being taken over by Earthlings with lower stats but they forget that the purpose of lowering the stats is to fulfill the need of the earthlings. Just because the Martians took the easier route and lowered the stats instead of providing better foundational education is no fault of the earthlings. Thus, to simply remove an action that is providing some solution to the problem or by increasing the stats without providing better education on the foundational level with be an injustice to 100% of the earthlings and a convenience to 6 % of the medical school applicant Martians. Let me know if this still isn't clicking 🙄
 
shinbeats said:
Well that's where affirmative action comes to play because AA is not about "adjusting" it's not just about Martians anymore it's about providing physicians that can treat earthlings.Martians recruit more earthlings to make sure they have a working force that better understands that population. It would be reasonable to assume that it would take Earthlings quite a while to "adjust" so knowing that Martians lower the stats because they know that the only way earthlings will be able to get accepted into a highly competitive field is by either providing them with a fundamentally strong education or by lowering the stats. Unfortunately providing a strong foundation after so many years requires a lot of funding so they take an easier route and they lower the requirements of the stats. The offspring of the Martians that never saw the pain, the suffering and hardly hard of it from their generations complain about 6 % of the physician seats being taken over by Earthlings with lower stats but they forget that the purpose of lowering the stats is to fulfill the need of the earthlings. Just because the Martians took the easier route and lowered the stats instead of providing better foundational education is no fault of the earthlings. Thus, to simply remove an action that is providing some solution to the problem or by increasing the stats without providing better education on the foundational level with be an injustice to 100% of the earthlings and a convenience to 6 % of the medical school applicant Martians. Let me know if this still isn't clicking 🙄
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Hemorrage said:
Ohh!! What a comeback! I'm in awe of your ability to point out my weakness!

Typical. You avoid the main concept i have continually brought up throughout this entire thread.

Why are you so against equal evaluation for all applicants? If white/asian applicants are expected to meet a certain academic point, why is it suddenly ok for URM students to not meet that same level of quality? Huh? You guys really don't have a good answer for this do you?

URM's deserve the right to become physicians and serve their respective communities, however, these communities deserve physicians of the same caliber as any other community. AA is both berating for high achieving URM students and indirectly discriminatory for Non-URM students.

Tell me this. Would you accept an ORM that has as 3.2/27? Most likely not. Would you accept a URM that has a 3.2/27? Its quite possible. Now why is there such a big difference there? If theres some secret relationship between skin color and hidden potential, please enlighten me.

AA benefits low performing URM applicants and degrades the hard work and academic achievements of high performing URMs.
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You suck at arguments and continually rest on the contention that it is a huge social injustice. Even after we have brought up points about the greater good, closing gaps in the US, relative racism, views from the media, etc., you fail to attack the particular arguments. I have also made several rebuttals about URMs often having very competitive scores to matriculate into top schools, but you ignored that too. You are just not focusing on key issues and using the same contention for an opposition--I would have fried you in Lincoln-Douglas debates.
 
AA should be phased out...slowly though. Next generation of Americans looks promising, and two generations after that looks even better. (as far as racial equality)
 
Hemorrage said:
Why are you so against equal evaluation for all applicants? If white/asian applicants are expected to meet a certain academic point, why is it suddenly ok for URM students to not meet that same level of quality? Huh? You guys really don't have a good answer for this do you?
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There are plenty of answers here. You're (notice the difference from your) just incapable of understanding the bigger picture. The country you come from also still treats women as animals, so your viewpoints don't surprise me.
 
La Presse said:
You suck at arguments and continually rest on the contention that it is a huge social injustice. Even after we have brought up points about the greater good, closing gaps in the US, relative racism, views from the media, etc., you fail to attack the particular arguments. I have also made several rebuttals about URMs often having very competitive scores to matriculate into top schools, but you ignored that too. You are just not focusing on key issues and using the same contention for an opposition--I would have fried you in Lincoln-Douglas debates.
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Thats because it IS a social injustice. How about we suddenly decided that asian applicants should receive a .1 GPA increase or all white applicants will be guaranteed an interview? How about that? I'm fairly sure the URM community will be furious about this.

Any and i mean ANYthing we do that gives preference to one group based on factors that they cannot have ever influenced (race, ethnicity, etc) is discrimination (+/-). If people had the option of being born URM don't you think at least SOME people will choose that just to gain the advantage? Yes they will. You are so caught up defending your URM principles you don't even see the injustice in this whole situation. Giving people preference for factors they cannot control is ridiculous! Its almost like saying, if your left handed you'll be guaranteed an acceptance because we don't have enough left handed doctors.
 
MuAgonist said:
There are plenty of answers here. You're (notice the difference from your) just incapable of understanding the bigger picture. The country you come from also still treats women as animals, so your viewpoints don't surprise me.
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Right because you know exactly where i'm from right?
 
MuAgonist said:
Close enough, and I feel bad for your mom.
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I feel bad for any non-URM person your friends with. God knows what they would think of you if they knew how much you loved AA.

PS: for all anyone here knows, your one of those loaded URM's that plan on just gaming the system.
 
Hemorrage said:
Lets get one thing straight. I am not a racist. I have made that clear with this post

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=13175439&postcount=526

Which of course, all you URM racist **its didn't respond too. So get a life. Oh and also any interviewer that talks to you will deduce the following:

1. Feeling of entitlement
2. Animosity towards ORM's.
3. Butthurt

🙂



We all know you need it more buddy. Thats why your so butt hurt on defending your precious AA. The only thing i'm here arguing about is equal evaluation for all applicants regardless of skin color. But of course thats so damn evil ain't it?
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I'm a Caucasian med student and why would I be interviewing for medical school again? 😕
 
Hemorrage said:
I feel bad for any non-URM person your friends with. God knows what they would think of you if they knew how much you loved AA.
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For the love of god it's "you're." Learn English before you treat Americans, please. All my friends are URMs, so...
 
Hemorrage said:
I feel bad for any non-URM person your friends with. God knows what they would think of you if they knew how much you loved AA.
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I know all of my non-URM friends hate it when I want to improve the situation for minorities in this country...
 
MuAgonist said:
For the love of god it's "you're." Learn English before you treat Americans, please. All my friends are URMs, so...
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I didn't know patients rated you on your ability to use grammar properly. I'll work on that.
 
Hemorrage said:
I didn't know patients rated you on your ability to use grammar properly. I'll work on that.
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They do actually. They prefer physicians with a command of the English language, not somebody who butchers it.
 
Hemorrage said:
I didn't know patients rated you on your ability to use grammar properly. I'll work on that.
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Nah, but I believe adcoms do. Wait, I thought everybody was supposed to be scrutinized EQUALLY?
 
Hemorrage said:
I feel bad for any non-URM person your friends with. God knows what they would think of you if they knew how much you loved AA.
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You trip me the hell out dude. It is interesting to note that a lot of non-URMs, as you put it, do not know too much about AA. I was actually on a Ventrillo server today and brought up the issue of AA with my loving white friends. Long story short, I beat their their candy-asses so bad...They just could not--like MuAgonist said--see the bigger picture. They were a hardass like you and reiterated the same point. They were like kids throwing a tantrum and not wanting to even think about why this is in effect. Needless to say, they were tanking like Thomas the engine.
 
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MuAgonist said:
They do actually. They prefer physicians with a command of the English language, not somebody who butchers it.
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They also prefer physicians who got into medical school based on intelligence instead of skin color.
 
theWhat said:
Nah, but I believe adcoms do. Wait, I thought everybody was supposed to be scrutinized EQUALLY?
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PLEASE go ahead. Scrutinize me on writing. I'm not afraid to admit grammar is not my strong point- i make up for it in other subjects. Oh but wait, URM's don't admit they do anything wrong. Everything is the white mans fault!!
 
Hemorrage said:
PLEASE go ahead. Scrutinize me on writing. I'm not afraid to admit grammar is not my strong point- i make up for it in other subjects. Oh but wait, URM's don't admit they do anything wrong. Everything is the white mans fault!!
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Well it's just funny that you are sitting here criticizing URMs for being inferior yet you can't even speak English properly.
 
This thread degraded pretty quickly... I sense a lock soon, we'll talk again in another urm thread next month
 
La Presse said:
You trip me the hell out dude. It is interesting to note that a lot of non-URMs, as you put it, do not know too much about AA. I was actually on a Ventrillo server today and brought up the issue of AA with my loving white friends. Long story short, I beat their their candy-asses so bad...They just could not--like MuAgonist said--see the bigger picture. They were a hardass like you and reiterated the same point. They were like kids throwing a tantrum and not wanting to even think about why this is in effect. Needled to say, they were tanking like Thomas the engine.
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I think it's time this thread get closed this is way out of control.
 
MuAgonist said:
Well it's just funny that you are sitting here criticizing URMs for being inferior yet you can't even speak English properly.
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Because speaking and grammar go hand in hand right? Lmao.
 
Hemorrage said:
PLEASE go ahead. Scrutinize me on writing. I'm not afraid to admit grammar is not my strong point- i make up for it in other subjects. Oh but wait, URM's don't admit they do anything wrong. Everything is the white mans fault!!
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If that's how you view URM's then your assertion that you are not racist has been completely buried my friend.
 
Hemorrage said:
PLEASE go ahead. Scrutinize me on writing. I'm not afraid to admit grammar is not my strong point- i make up for it in other subjects. Oh but wait, URM's don't admit they do anything wrong. Everything is the white mans fault!!
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whaaat?

Hemorrage said:
The one thing i agree with you on
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I'm still trying to figure out why you told a med student that they would be seen as entitled in an interview. You do realize that med students don't interview to continue medical school right? LOL just making sure.
 
theWhat said:
If that's how you view URM's then your assertion that you are not racist has been completely buried my friend.
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Dude i was joking. Chill out.

shinbeats said:
I'm still trying to figure out why you told a med student that they would be seen as entitled in an interview. You do realize that med students don't interview to continue medical school right? LOL just making sure.
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If you think everyone is exactly what they say they are on this forum then your an idiot. Plenty of people come on here and boast 3.9/40 mcat and other crap. I know someone from my undergrad that comes on here and claims hes a med student.
 
Hemorrage said:
Dude i was joking. Chill out.

http://www.gifbin.com/984156

If you think everyone is exactly what they say they are on this forum then your an idiot. Plenty of people come on here and boast 3.9/40 mcat and other crap. I know someone from my undergrad that comes on here and claims hes a med student.

Your undergrad seems to have a reputation of producing prodigies. how so?
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Take a look at the bolded.
 
Hemorrage said:
Dude i was joking. Chill out.



If you think everyone is exactly what they say they are on this forum then your an idiot. Plenty of people come on here and boast 3.9/40 mcat and other crap. I know someone from my undergrad that comes on here and claims hes a med student.
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Now I see why you're attending the same undergrad as him, you guys are probably best friends too.
 
Beatdown on Hemorrhage. Everyone join in.
 
Hemorrage said:
you seem experienced in performing this kind of act in real life- as if you couldn't be any more stereotypical
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Again, demonstrating implicit beliefs about URM's. Wow, the evidence is mounting.
 
Hemorrage said:
you seem experienced in performing this kind of act in real life- as if you couldn't be any more stereotypical
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Gotta be prepared for douchebags. amirite? Likewise with your so-called "arguments."
 
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