Yeah I submitted about the same time as you and I haven't heard anything back yet so who know. I talked to my parents and I guess I just got the USA secondary on monday via Snail Mail. I don't think I will be able to submit it for another couple of weeks though because I am out of the country.
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Anyone have any new information or anything positive?
I have submitted everything to UAB and South but haven't received notification that I am "complete" at either. UAB told me via email they have everything, but it is just taking them a while to put all the files together.
Does anyone know how to get your status information at USA? Also how does UAB and South alert applicants of interview invitations?
I have submitted everything to UAB and South but haven't received notification that I am "complete" at either. UAB told me via email they have everything, but it is just taking them a while to put all the files together.
Does anyone know how to get your status information at USA? Also how does UAB and South alert applicants of interview invitations?
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+1, anyone know?
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UASOM e-mails you to invite you for an interview.
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Where is this mandatory attendance policy? Where I'm at, I don't see one.
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how are you liking school so far?
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Personally, I like it here. The amount of stuff we have to learn is kind of scary. We basically went through biochemistry in about a month. But I think if you settle into a groove and you don't slack off, its not too bad. You definitely don't have as much time for yourself as you usually do (or maybe that's just me).
As far as what silentshout posted, (I don't know if he/she was referring to UASOM or USA, so I will address the issue anyway) there isn't a "mandatory attendance" policy except for small group meetings and patient presentations. However, we do have this thing called the Audience Response System (basically the lecturer pops a question up on a powerpoint and you click a little remote and it records your answer) that factors into our grade. Of course, you have to be there to get the points if they even use it. And its for such a measly portion of the grade as to not freak out about it. Hell, if the lecturer is so boring, you can bring out the old scripts and just study while in class if it suits you (there was one lecturer i felt was useless, and this was my strategy during his lectures). Frankly, I've been doing fine "despite it".
There has been plenty of b*$%^ing and complaining, but I think that some of us have yet to get over our sense of entitlement. I don't think its the majority of us, and it probably happens with every class, though.
Even though I personally have not had any experience with any other curriculum but this, I have to say I enjoy it. Even though we aren't in an organ system module, the way they designed the curriculum is logical in that instead of teaching things in discrete classes, the material is logically connected. The true test is when we come upon the organ system modules (after December when our Fundamentals modules end).
And a lot of these people are pretty damn nice, too. Nicer than me. 🙂 I don't think I've quite come across any gunners. Everyone's worried about the bottom line, of course, but this is the first couple of months. What do you expect? 😛
But if anyone else has any questions about the school itself, I'm not exactly an expert yet, but I'll be glad to help. Just don't ask me about the application process. I don't know about anything that's going on except that something's going on. 😛
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The school has begun a de-facto mandatory attendance policy due to the fact that our professors feel like they deserve an audience while they present their (usually mediocre) lectures. Med student lecture attendance goes from 90% to 10% across the two years of basic science courses.
I personally am a class-goer, however I have strong feelings about the required attendance policy, since it interferes with student learning.
How does attending lecture interfere with learning? Most of the students in my class (second year) are quite capable of self-directed learning. (This is something selected for in the application process to med school). Most of us can learn the material better by studying on our own instead of going to lecture. The amount of learning per unit time for a lecture is way too low for most people. In med school the volume of info is so high, and the questions they ask us on exams so detailed, that lectures end up representing a poor use of our (very) scarce resources. Med students choose not to attend lectures for reasons that are rather different from those of your typical sophomore or junior undergrad student who cuts class. We had 6 hours a day of lecture when we took biochem last year. 50 - 100 slides per hour to learn in excruciating detail, plus 6-8 pages of single-spaced 11 point font transcripts to read per lecture. There is not enough time in the day to indulge professors by attending all the lectures *and* to study the material sufficiently well to answer (frequently) random questions on these exams. All the students in my class want a) to learn the material well enough to be a good doctor & b) to make the best grade that they can without becoming suicidal or insane from working too much. We work hard, are (by and large) highly responsible adults, and we are capable of deciding for ourselves the whether or not attending a lecture is a responsible use of our time. The administration was wrong to allow punishments for students who don't attend lectures, for many reasons.
One of the funny/tragic things about the situation is that the lack of attendance bruises the egos of some of the faculty members, though it really shouldn't matter to them. I suppose that they take the lack of attendance to be a sign that we don't care about the material they are presenting, or that we don't get to benefit from their analysis & presentation of the material. The fact of the matter is that the 70% of the class that wasn't there for the lecture will be reading a transcript of the lecture, viewing the powerpoints for the lecture, and (some) even listening to the lecturer on the audio recordings. In the end, the transcripts and powerpoints are memorized by the students & we end up knowing their material (and the professor's view of it) very well.
If student learning is the goal of the administration, then (mature) students (such as med students) should be allowed to decide for themselves how to learn. If stroking the egos of certain vociferous and proud faculty members is the goal, then they should require attendance so that the lecturer has the audience that they seek. A third alternative would be to offer us a learning experience that was unique and valuable enough that we would find it more educational than memorizing the books & transcripts, and so would choose to attend. You see this in the sessions taught by the best teachers, and in most lectures taught by clinicians. (We had nearly 90% attendance for many parts of physiology last year, much of which was taught exceptionally well). In my view, the new attendance policy is a failing of the administration to recognize and meet the learning needs of the students. It also seems (in a way) to be in conflict with their own self-stated goal to turn us into self-directed, life-long learners.
These views are not born out of a sense of entitlement (in the pejorative sense I took you to imply) but out of a belief that we med students are held to a very high standard (try giving a presentation in med school that is as poorly prepared for as >50% of the lectures we are given), that we take on great responsibility (at this stage, to learn well and to learn much, at later stages, the care of others), and that the school has responsibilities *to us* and to society (since it costs society much to to train us, the school should train us well).
I'd like to close with a few disclaimers:
You might think (from reading the above) that I am mad at UASOM or think badly of the administration. Really, that is not the case. I am actually a huge fan of UAB & have had a truly excellent and supportive time here. I like the curriculum changes (excepting the use of clickers for forced attendance), and I have had terrific interactions with the administration, basic science faculty & clinical faculty here. By and large, the school is *very* supportive of its students, and I feel like I am getting a good medical education here. In fact, If I had it to do over, I would come to UAB again.
Peace, peeps, and good luck!
I personally am a class-goer, however I have strong feelings about the required attendance policy, since it interferes with student learning.
How does attending lecture interfere with learning? Most of the students in my class (second year) are quite capable of self-directed learning. (This is something selected for in the application process to med school). Most of us can learn the material better by studying on our own instead of going to lecture. The amount of learning per unit time for a lecture is way too low for most people. In med school the volume of info is so high, and the questions they ask us on exams so detailed, that lectures end up representing a poor use of our (very) scarce resources. Med students choose not to attend lectures for reasons that are rather different from those of your typical sophomore or junior undergrad student who cuts class. We had 6 hours a day of lecture when we took biochem last year. 50 - 100 slides per hour to learn in excruciating detail, plus 6-8 pages of single-spaced 11 point font transcripts to read per lecture. There is not enough time in the day to indulge professors by attending all the lectures *and* to study the material sufficiently well to answer (frequently) random questions on these exams. All the students in my class want a) to learn the material well enough to be a good doctor & b) to make the best grade that they can without becoming suicidal or insane from working too much. We work hard, are (by and large) highly responsible adults, and we are capable of deciding for ourselves the whether or not attending a lecture is a responsible use of our time. The administration was wrong to allow punishments for students who don't attend lectures, for many reasons.
One of the funny/tragic things about the situation is that the lack of attendance bruises the egos of some of the faculty members, though it really shouldn't matter to them. I suppose that they take the lack of attendance to be a sign that we don't care about the material they are presenting, or that we don't get to benefit from their analysis & presentation of the material. The fact of the matter is that the 70% of the class that wasn't there for the lecture will be reading a transcript of the lecture, viewing the powerpoints for the lecture, and (some) even listening to the lecturer on the audio recordings. In the end, the transcripts and powerpoints are memorized by the students & we end up knowing their material (and the professor's view of it) very well.
If student learning is the goal of the administration, then (mature) students (such as med students) should be allowed to decide for themselves how to learn. If stroking the egos of certain vociferous and proud faculty members is the goal, then they should require attendance so that the lecturer has the audience that they seek. A third alternative would be to offer us a learning experience that was unique and valuable enough that we would find it more educational than memorizing the books & transcripts, and so would choose to attend. You see this in the sessions taught by the best teachers, and in most lectures taught by clinicians. (We had nearly 90% attendance for many parts of physiology last year, much of which was taught exceptionally well). In my view, the new attendance policy is a failing of the administration to recognize and meet the learning needs of the students. It also seems (in a way) to be in conflict with their own self-stated goal to turn us into self-directed, life-long learners.
These views are not born out of a sense of entitlement (in the pejorative sense I took you to imply) but out of a belief that we med students are held to a very high standard (try giving a presentation in med school that is as poorly prepared for as >50% of the lectures we are given), that we take on great responsibility (at this stage, to learn well and to learn much, at later stages, the care of others), and that the school has responsibilities *to us* and to society (since it costs society much to to train us, the school should train us well).
I'd like to close with a few disclaimers:
You might think (from reading the above) that I am mad at UASOM or think badly of the administration. Really, that is not the case. I am actually a huge fan of UAB & have had a truly excellent and supportive time here. I like the curriculum changes (excepting the use of clickers for forced attendance), and I have had terrific interactions with the administration, basic science faculty & clinical faculty here. By and large, the school is *very* supportive of its students, and I feel like I am getting a good medical education here. In fact, If I had it to do over, I would come to UAB again.
Peace, peeps, and good luck!
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I understand perfectly where you come from, but I guess it is more of a non-issue for me than others. I mean, like I said, if the lecturer is useless, i just take out scripts from another class. Or hell, sleep. Most of the time, though, I don't feel that lecture is useless. Its another way to learn. I figure the more ways something is thrown at me, the more I will learn.
Besides, I don't really think they put the ARS system in place as a mandatory attendance policy. I think they were legitimately trying something new. I do think it's a failure, personally (it hasn't really added much to the lectures). Due to the technical problems and lack of usage, I don't think it will be kept around. Or at least I hope not.
But then again, I was always an optimist.
That sense of entitlement wasn't referring to you, by the way. I was referring to the constant requests to be catered to. The amount of requests to have powerpoints delivered to our mailboxes, etc. is kind of ridiculous (or at least from what I've heard). Really, it just feels like a general attitude, like "we're medical students. We shouldn't have to do anything ourselves."
but let me clear something up: they're making you all use the ARS system? Even though the "de facto" attendance policy isn't much of a problem to me, i think its kind of ridiculous to just switch it up on the second years. Kind of unfair if you ask me.
Besides, I don't really think they put the ARS system in place as a mandatory attendance policy. I think they were legitimately trying something new. I do think it's a failure, personally (it hasn't really added much to the lectures). Due to the technical problems and lack of usage, I don't think it will be kept around. Or at least I hope not.
But then again, I was always an optimist.
That sense of entitlement wasn't referring to you, by the way. I was referring to the constant requests to be catered to. The amount of requests to have powerpoints delivered to our mailboxes, etc. is kind of ridiculous (or at least from what I've heard). Really, it just feels like a general attitude, like "we're medical students. We shouldn't have to do anything ourselves."
but let me clear something up: they're making you all use the ARS system? Even though the "de facto" attendance policy isn't much of a problem to me, i think its kind of ridiculous to just switch it up on the second years. Kind of unfair if you ask me.
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Fortunately they are not using the ARS system on us. My rage is not due to our attendance rules, but yours.
I think that the proper use of the ARS system (to create a truly interactive learning environment) requires a lot of work on the part of the professor. (they need to insert quiz questions at important points in the lecture, and they need to be sure that both the content that they just presented and the writing of the question is clear and well written). I think this is one of the reasons that not all professors make good use of such technology. It is much easier just to pull slides from your last conference or from your earlier grad program talk and show up and talk from your own memory than it is to carefully assess what needs to be taught to (future) clinicians, re-design your talk, vet it for time, and integrate interactive questions into it. Yet, this is what the professors ought to be doing.
About entitlement: you are right about the general level of med-student pissyness & entitlement-type attitude. My class has plenty of it as well. I see it most when people are talking about access to healthcare and potential drops in physician salaries. People believe that they deserve to not care for poor or difficult patients, and that they really ought to have the hours of a banker and the salary of a CEO. Fortunately this is not true of most of my classmates, but I do see these attitudes (in part or in whole) in a significant number of medical and dental students.
BTW, I am glad you are having a good run so far at UASOM. It's really a good place to be. I like your class so far; plenty of nice people in it.
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Be careful with your assumptions about the sanctity of the course syllabus and the point value of any given assignment. Just ask any current second year about the fiasco that was our final neuroscience grades.
Of course, some of them were probably tickled pink about the whole thing, but let's just say that a 'measly portion of the grade' wound up being slightly less measly in the end.
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me = EDP; found out 24 hours later
my other EDP friends; found out 24 hours later
my EMSAP friends; found out four years earlier
my friend (ordinary applicant); found out 2 weeks later
my other friend (ordinary applicant); found out 2 months later
my other friend (ordinary applicant); found out the day before orientation 4+ months after the interview
Maybe the helpful thing to say is that you get called sooner based on several factors:
if they have the monthly "big decision" meeting a few days after your interview, and you are a really great candidate, you will likely hear back within a week or so. If you interview right after the big meeting, you will wait a month, even if you are the second coming of Tinsley Harrison.
If you are an average candidate (mcat 28-31, with nothing obviously wrong in your transcript or life), it may take a month or a few months, depending on the quality of the people that interviewed before you, However, you are likely to get in as long as you didn't screw up your interview and you are from Alabama.
BTW, the official things I read from AMCAS & stuff say that interviewing early doesn't increase your odds of getting in, but I believe otherwise from my own experiences: of my many friends who interviewed early in the season (in the last two years) all got in by Christmas.
Good luck!
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Listen carefully, grasshopper, to the wisdom that flows from the fingertips of MattD.
As mattD already knows, I was one of the number who was bent over & violated by the professor's betrayal of the syllabus. I was powerless and it felt much like being fed to a volcano for the benefit of the other people on the island. ....except that I am not a virgin, and there was no fire.
....I guess this is why its not ok to harvest organs from one healthy person to benefit two dozen unhealthy people.
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Plus, your name is not Joe. I'll leave comparisons to Tom Hanks for other people though.
Hey thanks thats really helpful. I have an interview on Thursday and I haven't seen anyone else on here except EDP people who have interviewed. So, I think that I am in the first group of interviews, I could be wrong though. I'm a little freaked out about the interview. I'm not really nervous its just that its my first interview and UAB is my top choice but from what I've read on here its pretty laid back. Also, I'm not sure when there big meetings are but it definetly helps to at least have some sort of an idea about a timeline.
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The interviews tend to be pretty laid back. I had rousing discussions about cajun cuisine, college football, and other friendly banter in my 3 interviews. One guy did ask me if I could be any vegetable, what would I pick... but then he just laughed and said they weren't supposed to ask that 🙂
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Yeah, my interviews were very laid back. The interview syle here is largely conversational, not confrontational. One warning: if you didn't do much shadowing, be prepared to explain why. I got called out for it; fortunately, I was found to be worthy in the eyes of the committee.
Another warning: there are one or two (and only one or two) interviewers who are extremely intimidating and terrifying. Dr Shelton is one of those interviewers. If you get him, be very professional & don't be shocked if he asks you questions that will throw you off or make you feel uncertain about your status at UAB. Listen to what he says and think carefully about your answers. Think carefully about what you say, while being truthful, and don't assume that you know what he wants to hear!! That said, you should know that he is a devoted patient and student advocate and that his motivation is not meanness, and that just because you left his interview rattled, it doesn't mean that he thought you were a weak candidate!
Best of luck to you on your interview. In all honesty, the fact that you are being interviewed this early suggests that we will see you next year at Volker High.
I just got done with my interviews earlier today and it was definetly mostly conversational, which was great. However, my first interview was with Dr. Shelton and he did rattle me a bit, but I still feel that it went well. My other interviews were great. I ended up talking football with one interviewier and found out he played highschool football with John Stallworth so that was pretty cool. Overall I left with a great impression of the school. When I read stuff in the interview feedback about how genuinely nice everyone was I was skeptical but they were absolutely right. Several current med students saw that I was interviewing and asked me how it was going and if I had any questions for them. I was also really impressed with the many opportunities that are avaliable at the school and how they seem really devoted to the sucess of their students.
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Glad to hear it went well! Hope that the rest of your interviews are as good.
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Yes, I know. Just got a little ranty. The people here are mostly nice, but the constant complaining bordering on whining was getting to me. Would you mind telling me about the fiasco? (PM me) I'm curious as to what happened.
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I was interviewed on 11/30/06 and was accepted 2/7/07. So, I would say about 2 months?
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I agree. He is very sensitive to student needs. And he has a great way with patients, if you get to see him in practice. He is also quite terrifying at the same time. Like goodness riding the edge of a sword.
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The only people who complain more than med students are pre-meds and waiters. I know, since I have been all of the above. I really do try to complain less. At the very least, I complain less in front of my boss.
Ha! I just figured out who you are; I'll say hi to you at school tomorrow (If I end up studying there).
I didn't mean to convey that he was a jerk. I actually thought that he was a really nice guy he just asked me some off the wall questions that caught me off gaurd. I don't know if all the other faculty are as attentive to students needs but thats definetly the feeling I got. I liked alot of things about UASOM but the thing that I like the most was the fact that everything and everyone really seemed to have the students best interest in mind. I really felt that everyone wanted the students to reach their highest potential. The hot undergrad girls that I ran into didn't hurt either.
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I didn't mean to imply that you had! sorry.....
Yes, a number of other schools at the university make use of the big classroom at volker. Many of them are undergrad classes. Makes for a semi-hourly parade of totty. Woo! And spring is truly awesome. The guys all start wearing shorts and sandals (I have a thing for legs). (And the girls start wearing less clothing too, so you should be happy)
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Finally an interview! UAB 10/11 🙂 . Anyone have any news about USA?
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LOL. I'm usually the guy who sits slouched in one of the couch-chairs with his feet propped up on the coffee table on the 5th floor just off the elevators. I'm not sure if you know me cause I'm a lowly MS-1, though, and I only know a few MS-2 guys. 😛
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Beard?
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lol yeah, i would be the douchebag with the beard
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Ok I think I know who you are then. I'd say I'll say hi Monday like odrade but since I'm almost never at volker high, odds are it would be a lie 🙂
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awww :-( you'll miss out on the drama
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BTW, if you're not watching FL-LSU, you should be.
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no, that was me. my poop just ends up looking like that after i've been in Volker Hall a while.
And I'm one of the few people in the universe that doesn't watch college sports. Does that make me a heretic? 😳
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Around here it might 🙂 Does that mean you're an NFL guy or are you just sports apathetic? I personally don't give a hill of beans about the NFL, but my saturdays in the fall are shot.
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I used to be into the NFL and NASCAR (yeah yeah, i don't care what you think), but my weekends have been swallowed up by the medical school routine. What little free time I have goes to my girlfriend. 😛
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I think we all go through the nascar phase... I'm savoring this weekend of freedom, then another 5 weeks of hell will commence 🙁
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Hi, I'm applying to UAB med school this year, and I had a (sorta stupid) question for you about my online application. I've been working on it, and I got to the part where you have to upload your picture. I've uploaded the wrong picture, but now there's no option to "browse" to replace it with my correct picture. Help! What do I do...I'm sorta freaking about, because that is not the picture I want to send. Please tell me there's a way to put a different one up!!!!
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Hopefully this isn't a picture of you half naked snorting coke or anything.....
I'd just shoot someone in the admissions office an email explaining you sent the wrong picture, and ask if they'll manually change it for you. It shouldn't be a big deal.
Good luck 🙂
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My status finally changed at UASoM (I've been listed as 'incomplete' since early August despite having everything sent into the office) and I'm currently under review for an interview. I'm assuming this is a pre-interview hold? Do people make it off this list? Thanks!
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I interviewed at USA on the 10/3. Mark Scott told us the first letters would be sent out between 11/1 and 11/8.
I'll see you at UAB on Thursday!
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How does USA send their interview invites, email or snail mail?
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Email.
FYI, they just assigned me an interview date, you don't get to pick. And as far as I know, all interviews are done on Wednesdays.
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Yeah, it just means you're in a holding pattern. Everyone goes through the under review stage. No worries!
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I just had my interview at UAB. I felt like it went pretty good. They had a very relaxed and comfortable atmosphere which really lowered the stress factor.
Who else interviewed today? Any opinions?
I thought the 4th/5th floors of Volker were amazing and the rest of the facilities were pretty cool. Anyway I am definitely hoping to hear back soon, but they were a little cryptic about what time every month acceptances will be released.
Who else interviewed today? Any opinions?
I thought the 4th/5th floors of Volker were amazing and the rest of the facilities were pretty cool. Anyway I am definitely hoping to hear back soon, but they were a little cryptic about what time every month acceptances will be released.
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