Allopathic & Osteopathic poll : Where are you applying?

[walkoffhr]

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Listen, my responses are about one thing. I want to counteract those who try and ignore an important difference between osteopathic school and allopathic school-the quality of the student accepted. This is particularly important when "we are the same" attitudes are expressed. Those attending MD school are justified in displaying pride and awareness of their distinctive title. They especially have this right in the pre-allopathic forum.

BTH7, the "crusader" who is "enlightening" people of the merits of osteopathic education, was himself a pre-med with intentions of attending allopathic school. He became the leader of this "enlightenment" only after facing rejection. Instead of developing a respect for the accepted applicant and ultimate MD, he chose to marginalize and degrade the MD title.

I agree that there are individual osteopathic doctors who are second to none. This does not, however, equate the degrees in a general sense whatsoever.

The quality of the student accepted? In what sense?

Look, you can think that a high GPA and great MCAT scores are something to brag about, but you're only impressing yourself. I'd rather have my skills judged by attendings and patients than a medical school admissions committee. I'm really looking forward to you explaining the 'quality of the student'.

 

[abeytt03]

The quality of the student accepted? In what sense?

Look, you can think that a high GPA and great MCAT scores are something to brag about, but you're only impressing yourself. I'd rather have my skills judged by attendings and patients than a medical school admissions committee. I'm really looking forward to you explaining the 'quality of the student'.

The quality of the student accepted is defined by their GPA, MCAT, extracurriculars, research, and overrall devotion to medicine. Generally, factors such as GPA and MCAT are an indication of aptitude and scholastic dedication. These are important factors for admission in any realm of graduate education. Therefore, to downplay these factors would be foolish and utimately self-defeating.

 

[gotmeds?]

BTH7 is very clever, and I certainly can't take that away from him. This thread, however, is a subversive way of promoting osteopathy. This is the case for several other threads he has satrted. I have no problem with him taking the osteopathic route, especially given the harsh rejection he received from the allopathic world. What he must understand is the world will not change from his incessant promotion. The only purpose it serves in these threads is as a distraction and nuissance from actual pre-allopathic discussion. I urge him to become comfortable with where he is. Resist the temptation to publicly laud osteopathy as a defense mechanism, and face whatever insecurities he has directly with himself. Until that time, stick within the world you are engaged in (osteopathy).

Wow. Just wow. So to summarize: know your place and don't get uppity with me, boy.

For the record, I think the world that bth7 is engaged in is medicine, not osteopathy.

Look, I'm glad that we have people like bth7. I voiced my objection to this thread earlier and I still think it's a waste of bandwith (which I seem to be all too happy to be wasting). But as an MD student myself (no, I didn't apply to any DO schools), I wince when I read posts like yours.

 

[walkoffhr]

The quality of the student accepted is defined by their GPA, MCAT, extracurriculars, research, and overrall devotion to medicine. Generally, factors such as GPA and MCAT are an indication of aptitude and scholastic dedication. These are important factors for admission in any realm of graduate education. Therefore, to downplay these factors would be foolish and utimately self-defeating.

I don't think there is a significant difference in extracurriculars, research, and the ever so immeasurable 'overall devotion to medicine'. Do you?

And for the record, I've never downplayed anything that hasn't been argued.

 

[Pansit]

The quality of the student accepted is defined by their GPA, MCAT, extracurriculars, research, and overrall devotion to medicine. Generally, factors such as GPA and MCAT are an indication of aptitude and scholastic dedication. These are important factors for admission in any realm of graduate education. Therefore, to downplay these factors would be foolish and utimately self-defeating.

Yeah...i guess passing 4 years of medical school, passing three levels of board examinations (and 2 for some DO's who choose to do USMLE's), doing 3 plus years of residency does not show you aptitude and scholastic dedication. You gotta be joking right...I know you probably wont believe this, but you will find out soon enough, that anything you do in college is nothing once you start medical school, just like how high school became worthless in college. EVERYBODY (MD's or DO's) starts out in the same place, regardless of where they came from. The people with the highest mcats and gpa's dont always end up in the upper half of the class. The kid with the lowest gpa, can quite possibly become the # 1 ranked student...pass accomplisments get you nowhere unless your dad is like the dean or something. You will have respect for any medical student, once you realize in the end just how much work it takes to get there. You will see and MD and think to yourself of the 7 + years of schooling he did, and you will see a DO and think of the same thing. When you see a DO are you going to think about how his college gpa was probably 3.4 instead of 3.6 or how his mcat was probably a 26 instead of a 30?

 

[bth7]

Listen, my responses are about one thing. I want to counteract those who try and ignore an important difference between osteopathic school and allopathic school-the quality of the student accepted. This is particularly important when "we are the same" attitudes are expressed. Those attending MD school are justified in displaying pride and awareness of their distinctive title. They especially have this right in the pre-allopathic forum.

BTH7, the "crusader" who is "enlightening" people of the merits of osteopathic education, was himself a pre-med with intentions of attending allopathic school. He became the leader of this "enlightenment" only after facing rejection. Instead of developing a respect for the accepted applicant and ultimate MD, he chose to marginalize and degrade the MD title.

I agree that there are individual osteopathic doctors who are second to none. This does not, however, equate the degrees in a general sense whatsoever.

I does bother me when people speak falsehoods about me, but more so when they speak incorrectly about medicine, something about which I actually care.

#1 No one is suggesting you shouldn't be "displaying pride" at your worthy accomplishment, especially "in the pre-allopathic forum." However, there's no reason you have to detract from the accomplishments of others in the process. Getting into any US med school is a laudable achievement.

#2 I have nothing but respect for MDs and allopathic medical schools. I have never "marginalized" or "degraded" the MD title. That's preposterous.

#3 Whether or not you equate the two degrees is a matter of personal opinion. However, in the United States, they are equivalent, by law. The two degrees carry identical responsibility and privileges.

#4 I do not practice osteopathy. Confusing osteopathy with osteopathic medicine is a common mistake. Osteopathy is a set of practices and beliefs invented by the AT Still in the nineteenth century, at a time before the advent of modern medicine. It is not practiced by U.S. D.O.s. Since the 70's, D.O.s are not "Doctors of Osteopathy" - they are "Doctors of Osteopathic medicine." (link)

#5 I am not on a crusade to promote osteopathic medicine. However, I do have an interest in sharing my experience and countering some misconceptions. Osteopathic medicine is modern, clinical, evidence-based medicine (as practiced by any licensed medical physician), but with the inclusion of a set of philosophical beliefs. These beliefs are not scientific truths, rather they are an expression of values and a set of guiding principles. They are by no means exclusive to osteopathic physicians. In fact, most allopathic medical educators express support for them as well. Their purpose is to encourage physicians towards a holistic approach to their patients.(link)

#6 There is a long history of hostility between the allopathic and osteopathic organizations (the AMA and the AOA). The hostility is now 100% finished and MDs & DOs work side by side in the same hospitals. Nevertheless, a small number of individuals continue as though there were still some massive rift between the two worlds. (link)

#7 I'd be the first person to stand up and criticize the shortcomings of the osteopathic medical field. As I would do the same for the allopathic world, because they are not separate worlds, but the same one. I am a 3rd medical student, doing rotations at a hospital, and half of the students I rotate with are MD-students. Pre-meds don't understand this because they haven't been to med school yet, and the older doctors they talk to don't either because it was once a very different situation. (link)

#8 The main difference between allopathic and osteopathic school is the inclusion of OMM in the curriculum of osteopathic medicine schools. And I have voiced in this forum multiple times that the over-emphasis of OMM is a shortcoming of the osteopathic world. That is not to say I think its useless or a waste of time. There's a whole list of aliments for which OMM has proven efficacy, and I'm glad that I got the additional training in palpation. However, I do believe OMM is seriously over-emphasized by osteopathic schools, and this should be addressed. (link)

#9 There is a difference in the average MCAT score or DO matriculants. But I don't believe this correlates with the "quality" of the applicant. DO schools are famous for de-emphasizing standardized test scores, in favor of other factors. (Does this make them better than MD schools? No. Just a bit different. It's a slightly different culture.)

#10 There is no English word "marinable."


bth7

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

Listen, my responses are about one thing. I want to counteract those who try and ignore an important difference between osteopathic school and allopathic school-the quality of the student accepted. This is particularly important when "we are the same" attitudes are expressed. Those attending MD school are justified in displaying pride and awareness of their distinctive title. They especially have this right in the pre-allopathic forum.

BTH7, the "crusader" who is "enlightening" people of the merits of osteopathic education, was himself a pre-med with intentions of attending allopathic school. He became the leader of this "enlightenment" only after facing rejection. Instead of developing a respect for the accepted applicant and ultimate MD, he chose to marginalize and degrade the MD title.

I agree that there are individual osteopathic doctors who are second to none. This does not, however, equate the degrees in a general sense whatsoever.

There is about 6 six pages of responses to this post that I don't have time for because I am proudly in medical school. So instead I will rally for a new premed forum to be created called the F******* Pre-Allo forum, so you and your other F******** can go and stroke each others egos until the vaseline runs out because I'm tired of this bullcrap in here.

 

[bth7]

I agree that there are individual osteopathic doctors who are second to none.

For many of us, this the only point that matters. Whatever your degree, simply try to be a great doc.


bth

 

[dancinRN1022]

this discussion is ridiculous...

i think the op was just curious...about what people were doing... if u didn't want to answer then don't answer...
i am applying to both why? because I want to be a doctor!...and going to any of the schools will allow me to practice medicine...i want to be an oncologist which requires a primary care residency which i can obtain either way...if i wanted to be a surgeon then...

DO schools don't accept everybody...otherwise they would have a 100% acceptance rate...1/2 of all people who apply to med school won't get in..MD and DO...

and this is where having a little experience comes in..NO ONE CARES!!! 😱 outside of the ego battles of residency and between med students..NO ONE CARES!!! MD and DO...if you have a white coat...are smart, competent, and compassionate...NO ONE CARES...not doctors not nurses not patients!...now i am sure one or two of you will say ... i don't want to go to a DO...or my patient said... but in general...grow up.. play nice.. in the real world..it doesn't matter just be the best doctor you can be...

 

[lackoftalent]

this discussion is ridiculous...

i think the op was just curious...about what people were doing... if u didn't want to answer then don't answer...
i am applying to both why? because I want to be a doctor!...and going to any of the schools will allow me to practice medicine...i want to be an oncologist which requires a primary care residency which i can obtain either way...if i wanted to be a surgeon then...

DO schools don't accept everybody...otherwise they would have a 100% acceptance rate...1/2 of all people who apply to med school won't get in..MD and DO...

and this is where having a little experience comes in..NO ONE CARES!!! 😱 outside of the ego battles of residency and between med students..NO ONE CARES!!! MD and DO...if you have a white coat...are smart, competent, and compassionate...NO ONE CARES...not doctors not nurses not patients!...now i am sure one or two of you will say ... i don't want to go to a DO...or my patient said... but in general...grow up.. play nice.. in the real world..it doesn't matter just be the best doctor you can be...

Seriously, thank you! Aye-yi-yi.

(Why do I always read these threads?)

 

[DropkickMurphy]

The quality of the student accepted is defined by their GPA, MCAT, extracurriculars, research, and overrall devotion to medicine. Generally, factors such as GPA and MCAT are an indication of aptitude and scholastic dedication. These are important factors for admission in any realm of graduate education. Therefore, to downplay these factors would be foolish and utimately self-defeating.

Wow, I found someone on the forums more full of themselves than Genetics, and nearly as deluded. Hell hath frozen over. 👎

 

[bth7]

Therefore, to downplay these factors would be foolish and utimately self-defeating.

"Ultimately self-defeating"? Could you clarify? Also, surely you recognize the dangers of over-emphasizing standardized test scores - a common mistake that pre-meds make.

 

[BubbaGump187]

I think that in the real world there is not a lot of difference between MD and DO...but the difference does exist because and MD will always consider him/herself better than a DO. Although on an individual performance that can be false and ridiculous, on a general level it stems from the type of applicant that is accepted into MD.

The passing rates on the USMLE show it
US allopathic: 92%
US osteopathic 69%

So that slight opinion will follow around, regardless of the personal performance. Its just human psyche to compare two things...otherwise they would be one..

 

[walkoffhr]

I think that in the real world there is not a lot of difference between MD and DO...but the difference does exist because and MD will always consider him/herself better than a DO. Although on an individual performance that can be false and ridiculous, on a general level it stems from the type of applicant that is accepted into MD.

The passing rates on the USMLE show it
US allopathic: 92%
US osteopathic 69%

So that slight opinion will follow around, regardless of the personal performance. Its just human psyche to compare two things...otherwise they would be one..

What are the passing rates for the COMLEX? Seems like you're saying it's hard for x to be y, but don't say what it's like for y to try to be x.

 

[Bacchus]

I think that in the real world there is not a lot of difference between MD and DO...but the difference does exist because and MD will always consider him/herself better than a DO. Although on an individual performance that can be false and ridiculous, on a general level it stems from the type of applicant that is accepted into MD.

The passing rates on the USMLE show it
US allopathic: 92%
US osteopathic 69%

So that slight opinion will follow around, regardless of the personal performance. Its just human psyche to compare two things...otherwise they would be one..

I've heard around here, and I don't know if this is the best way to put it, but the contents of those two tests are taught to the respective degrees. For the majority of DOs taking the USLME in addition to the COMLEX to pass an exam they aren't fully prepared for is saying something. I'm sure if it was the other way many allopaths would do just as well on the COMLEX. It basically comes down to who is taught the test, I believe.

 

[MWillie]

What are the passing rates for the COMLEX? Seems like you're saying it's hard for x to be y, but don't say what it's like for y to try to be x.

No MD student has any need or want to take the DO COMLEX because no MD student wants a DO residency nor are they allowed to apply for them. However, MD residencies are coveted by DO students, thus they have to take the USMLE. That's fair right?

 

[MWillie]

You will see and MD and think to yourself of the 7 + years of schooling he did, and you will see a DO and think of the same thing. When you see a DO are you going to think about how his college gpa was probably 3.4 instead of 3.6 or how his mcat was probably a 26 instead of a 30?

Yes I will be scrutinizing any DO colleagues of mine in the future more than I would MD's. I can tell you that in this I will not be alone among MD's.

I will also be thinking about how anyone couldn't get on their MCAT with 3 sections what I could with 2.

 

[walkoffhr]

No MD student has any need or want to take the DO COMLEX because no MD student wants a DO residency nor are they allowed to apply for them. However, MD residencies are coveted by DO students, thus they have to take the USMLE. That's fair right?

That's common knowledge. However what's the point in bringing up USMLE scores, if you can't provide COMLEX scores too? It just isn't good evidence on its own - that's my point.

 

[walkoffhr]

Yes I will be scrutinizing any DO colleagues of mine in the future more than I would MD's. I can tell you that in this I will not be alone among MD's.

I will also be thinking about how anyone couldn't get on their MCAT with 3 sections what I could with 2.

Wow, do you need to get laid.

 

[MWillie]

That's common knowledge. However what's the point in bringing up USMLE scores, if you can't provide COMLEX scores too? It just isn't good evidence on its own - that's my point.

Studies have shown that MCAT scores show a reasonable amount of correlation with STEP 1 scores, thus DO students with lower average MCAT scores can be expected to have lower STEP 1 scores. I bet if you took the average DO student and put him through the same curriculum as an average MD student, the DO student will likely still score lower on USMLE.

 

[walkoffhr]

Studies have shown that MCAT scores show a reasonable amount of correlation with STEP 1 scores, thus DO students with lower average MCAT scores can be expected to have lower STEP 1 scores. I bet if you took the average DO student and put him through the same curriculum as an average MD student, the DO student will likely still score lower on USMLE.

Why do you think you're coming up with new information all the time? Science doesn't work on if's and maybe's. Tell me something new, please.

 

[Bacchus]

Yes I will be scrutinizing any DO colleagues of mine in the future more than I would MD's. I can tell you that in this I will not be alone among MD's.

I will also be thinking about how anyone couldn't get on their MCAT with 3 sections what I could with 2.

What are you going to do when you're working side by side with DOs? If these are your personal skills at an all time best you're screwed. Get over yourself and stop making the profession look bad. DO/MD whatever it may be, it doesn't matter. Way to exacerbate the thread.

 

[bth7]

No MD student has any need or want to take the DO COMLEX because no MD student wants a DO residency nor are they allowed to apply for them. However, MD residencies are coveted by DO students, thus they have to take the USMLE. That's fair right?

This is incorrect.

#1 As with MD residencies, any DO residency in "coveted", highly competitive specialties is just that - highly competitive and coveted. Examples include DO-residencies in Derm, Rads, Surg, Optho, Uro, NeuroSurg, etc. There are many MDs that have complained that they aren't able to apply for these residency programs. And of course MDs want them - It's Urology . . . there's no such thing as "osteopathic" or "allopathic" urology or neurosurgery. Any resident completing these programs is eligible for the same board certification as a graduate of any ACGME-program in the same specialty.

In recent years, there have been calls to end this, because, well quite frankly its not fair. DOs can do allopathic residencies, but not vice versa. Silly politics.(link)

#2 Your post obscures the fact that a very large number of residency programs are dual-accredited, meaning that the same program is accredited by both the AOA and the ACGME. So all the residents are in both a "DO" and and "MD" program. The distinction allopathic and osteopathic is much more flexible in post-graduate medical education than in med school. They overlap.

#3 You post also obscures the fact that many ACGME programs accept COMLEX, meaning that a DO student who wants to do an allopathic residency isn't necessarily required to take the USMLE. The number of ACGME programs that accept COMLEX rises every year. COMLEX is a much newer exam than the USMLE, so residency program directors aren't as familiar with it. Since a well-researched formula was determined to compare COMLEX and USMLE scores, the need for students to take both is waning. (link)

Be careful about repeating misinformation. There's a lot of it going around on this topic. Pre-meds have little notion on the specifics involved, and so they believe half-truths and hearsay.


bth

 

[Meatwad]

Man, the MD vs DO pissing match is so pathetic. What's even more ludicrous is the pre-med/certain members of the non-medical community that believe an MD > DO just because of their degree. Some of you pre-meds are saying MD's are more capable because their education, and because since it's harder to get in generally (higher GPA/MCAT combos) in allopathic medicine, then the MDs must be better. There's a huge flaw in this, however.

What about the Caribbean? There are literally dozens of medical schools there, and around 10 that are even somewhat credible. Now, all these grads come out with an MD. However, if we use the pre-med argument that matriculant standards directly influence the best doctors, well then NOT all MDs are better than DOs. Then there is a more shaded interpretation. Now you have to start asking everyone where they got their degree, which I'm sure barely ever happens to an MD or DO.

So are all MDs better than DOs? Obviously not, because some MDs got their degree from some shack on an island with a population of 2,000. Are all DOs better than Caribbean MDs? Not at all. As pre-meds and (hopefully) future doctors, we should realize that this broad generalization about who is better at their job is ridiculous. If you scored high enough on your steps to get into a residency, you deserve some respect.

 

[Bacchus]

If you scored high enough on your steps to get into a residency, you deserve some respect.

Amen.

 

[bth7]

If you scored high enough on your steps to get into a residency, you deserve some respect.

hear hear. 👍

 

[bth7]

If you scored high enough on your steps to get into a residency, you deserve some respect.

For all those pre-meds out there, I'd like to say that this thread is a good example of how SDN is sometimes not representative of the medical community as a whole. The attitude expressed by Billy Sexcrime is the only one I've ever encountered from my allopathic colleagues: mutual respect. The professional disrespect and oneupmanship, which are so pronounced in these forums, are nonexistent in the wards of an actual hospital. Anyone who tries to cop that kind of attitude gets the boot real fast - first by the nurses, then by their fellow docs, and then we'd get the orderlies and janitors involved if need be. In the real world, when patients' lives are at stake, no one gives a crap what your MCAT score was. Let alone what the letters after your name are.

What matters is your ability to know your limits, to work on a team, to solve problems and to help people get well. That's what gets you respect.

bth

 

[baby methuselah]

where's the option for only osteopathic? i'm sick of the elitism attitude that some people have. i'm applying to both, and if so many people didn't define themselves by their career, there would be 90% less doctors.

 

[Chrissy]

Yes I will be scrutinizing any DO colleagues of mine in the future more than I would MD's. I can tell you that in this I will not be alone among MD's.

I will also be thinking about how anyone couldn't get on their MCAT with 3 sections what I could with 2.

I would absolutely have people think I had a slightly lower GPA and MCAT score than think I was a total p*ick...your posts have been unbelievable.

 

[bth7]

where's the option for only osteopathic?

I definitely considered that, but this is the pre-allo forum, so I figured it wouldn't be a fair representation since osteo-only people probably don't check out this forum. That's honestly the only reason I left it out.


bth

 

[Quix]

PCOM and LECOM applications were submitted today; we'll see what happens. 🙂

 

[bth7]

PCOM and LECOM applications were submitted today; we'll see what happens. 🙂

👍 Good luck.

 

[Meatwad]

👍 Good luck.

Ditto 👍

 

[futuredrcrawfor]

Just allo for me- I have heard DO has issues with doing medicine trips i Africa and I really want to return to Africa someday

 

[bth7]

Just allo for me- I have heard DO has issues with doing medicine trips i Africa and I really want to return to Africa someday

That's changed. Here's a list (incomplete).

bth

 

[bth7]

Just allo for me- I have heard DO has issues with doing medicine trips i Africa and I really want to return to Africa someday

Additional information: Int'l practice rights of US-trained DOs

As of 2005, US-trained D.O. have full unlimited practice rights in the U.K., the situation in other countries has changed dramatically in a short period of time. (link)

There's even an association that works on helping D.O. obtain practice rights equal to M.D.s abroad: BIOMEA.

bth

 

[Ahmed786]

I will also be thinking about how anyone couldn't get on their MCAT with 3 sections what I could with 2.

Wow. I'm speechless. All I know is that if I were in the hospital I would not want you to be my doctor regardless of whether or not you were an MD/DO.

If you are taking care of the SAME patients, why does it matter what initials you have after your name?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

PCOM and LECOM applications were submitted today; we'll see what happens. 🙂

Good luck..... 😀

 

[MWillie]

Wow. I'm speechless. All I know is that if I were in the hospital I would not want
you to be my doctor regardless of whether or not you were an MD/DO.

Yeah sad isn't it? The inability of some people to figure out answers on the MCAT when all the information is plainly given to you in the passage boggles my mind. It's seriously not that hard.

If you are taking care of the SAME patients, why does it matter what initials you have after your name?

I'm really sick of all this equality crap. DO is equal to MD, FMGs are equal to American MD, lowly ranked expensive private medical school that no one goes to unless they have to is equal to Johns Hopkins or UCSF.

NO THEY'RE NOT!! Though they may have the same practice rights, the average quality of each of the above listed groups of physicians is far from equal.

 

[MWillie]

Why do you think you're coming up with new information all the time? Science doesn't work on if's and maybe's. Tell me something new, please.

You have no idea how science works. Your posts are barely comprehensible.

 

[MWillie]

If you scored high enough on your steps to get into a residency, you deserve some respect.

And if you scored 260/270+ on your steps you deserve a lot more respect.

 

[walkoffhr]

You have no idea how science works. Your posts are barely comprehensible.

Wow, that's pretty sad that you want to make fun of mcat scores, but can't follow a rather simple argument. That's why I always had much more respect for the students in my philosophy classes than in any science class. When you want to actually argue why it is unfair to use USMLE scores to show differences between the degrees let me know.

 

[Dr JPH]

I'm really sick of all this equality crap. DO is equal to MD, FMGs are equal to American MD, lowly ranked expensive private medical school that no one goes to unless they have to is equal to Johns Hopkins or UCSF.

NO THEY'RE NOT!! Though they may have the same practice rights, the average quality of each of the above listed groups of physicians is far from equal.

I think quality is determined on an individual basis.

Program directors, hospital recruiters and even patients will agree with that.

I have worked with your kind before. I know where you will end up.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

I think quality is determined on an individual basis.

Program directors, hospital recruiters and even patients will agree with that.

I have worked with your kind before. I know where you will end up.

I agree.

 

[Quix]

Thanks to the well-wishers!

On the topic of education, the doctors I've worked with are all over the board - I've known and worked with brilliant MD's and DO's and scary-dumb MD's and DO's (for instance, I shouldn't be categorizing EKG's with greater accuracy than them at this point in my career). Personally, all I'm concerned with is how much you learn in residency and how much attention you pay to the growing body of clinical evidence; that doesn't depend on the initials after your name.

 

[mynamewastaken]

MWillie the things you have said are equally as absurd as saying that adcoms might as well screen based on undegrad college. I mean if you can't get into an Ivy how could you possibly pass the USLME or be a good doctor???!!!!

 

[bth7]

The quality of the student accepted is defined by their GPA, MCAT, extracurriculars, research, and overrall devotion to medicine. Generally, factors such as GPA and MCAT are an indication of aptitude and scholastic dedication. These are important factors for admission in any realm of graduate education. Therefore, to downplay these factors would be foolish and utimately self-defeating.

Its nice to know that the rest of NYU doesn't share abeytt03's views.

New York University Health Center on Osteopathic Medicine

"Osteopathic medicine was founded in 1874 by Andrew Taylor Still, a U.S. physician. Physicians educated in this method were called doctors of osteopathy, or D.O.s. Subsequently, however, schools of osteopathic medicine became integrated with conventional medical schools, and today the license of D.O. is legally equivalent to that of M.D." - NYU Health Center

bth

 

[MWillie]

I think quality is determined on an individual basis.

Program directors, hospital recruiters and even patients will agree with that.

I have worked with your kind before. I know where you will end up.

I think you are biased because you are a D.O.

When it comes down to it US Allo MD's have the easiest time getting competitive specialties.

Yay for us.

 

[Meatwad]

And if you scored 260/270+ on your steps you deserve a lot more respect.

Exactly... which is why your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on. Because if you believe what you just wrote here, than the guy with a 208 from Harvard should be p*ssed on by a guy from Ross with a 250. And don't tell me people from Ross haven't scored that high... with the thousands of students they've graduated, I can almost guarantee multiple people have hit those types of numbers. Ditto, and probably more so, for DO.

 

[MWillie]

MWillie the things you have said are equally as absurd as saying that adcoms might as well screen based on undegrad college. I mean if you can't get into an Ivy how could you possibly pass the USLME or be a good doctor???!!!!

If you think undergrad college is a non factor in medical admissions, just think of the hypothetical situation choosing between two applicants with same MCAT score, same winning personality, same extracurriculars, same publications, but one from Hopkins and the other from State U. Guess whose gonna win 9 times out of 10?