1. It’s Test Prep Week! Visit the Test Prep Forums to learn about test prep products and services, ask questions in test-related AMA threads, take advantage of exclusive SDN member discounts, and enter to win free stuff!
Studying for the DAT, GRE, OAT or PCAT? Test Prep Week Exhibitors are here to help!

am I working too much?

Discussion in 'Anesthesiology' started by residency2010, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. SDN is made possible through member donations, sponsorships, and our volunteers. Learn about SDN's nonprofit mission.
  1. chocomorsel

    chocomorsel Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    The people I know who work this hard make around 700. And that's a low unit value of somewhere in the 30's.
     
    DetectiveAlonzo and SaltyDog like this.
  2. SDN Members don't see this ad. About the ads.
  3. Scotty_G

    Scotty_G Junior Member 10+ Year Member

    332
    37
    Jun 21, 2004
    Northeast
    OP which hospital is it tsk tsk tsk :/
     
  4. MirrorTodd

    MirrorTodd It's a gas. 10+ Year Member

    15,512
    5,483
    Apr 22, 2006
    Nowhere
    MDApps:
    Physician
    I think I could handle that for the first couple years post Army to make up for lost wages, but man would that be hard to do for an extended period of time.
     
  5. HalO'Thane

    HalO'Thane New Member 10+ Year Member

    176
    53
    Sep 30, 2004
    That sounds insane. Once you reach the age of about 35 I don't see how your brain can function at an optimal level with that little sleep on a daily basis, especially for a demanding specialty like anesthesiology.
     
  6. soorg

    soorg Board-certified maniac 7+ Year Member

    197
    111
    Aug 7, 2008
    You couldn't pay me enough to work/live in NYC. Insane cost of living, crappy apartments, ugly people, dangerous subway, traffic anywhere and anytime, stupid pedestrians who can't understand what a "Don't Walk" sign means, taxis that never get cleaned, dog poop everywhere, the world's crappiest highways, zero parking, gargantuan pizza slices and bagels that you can't get into your mouth, boiling in the summer, freezing in the winter, bed bugs, obnoxious sports fans, etc.

    I truly believe people who live there have to dupe themselves into thinking "The City" is the greatest place on earth, otherwise they'd cry themselves to sleep every night for being such suckers.
     
    Ronin786, Newtwo, BIGMEECHY and 4 others like this.
  7. nimbus

    nimbus Member 10+ Year Member

    1,831
    989
    Jan 13, 2006
    I lived in Manhattan as a med student and intern and I enjoyed it very much. One of the keys to happiness there is not driving or owning a car. Different lifestyle.

    What I did not enjoy was the over self importance and formality of the medical culture there. People were more intense than they needed to be. No one ever joked around. The people at the diners and bars were a lot more fun.
     
  8. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    10,516
    4,363
    Dec 14, 2005
    Home Again
    Douglas Adams had something to say about New York City ...

     
    Swamp Gas, Ronin786 and SaltyDog like this.
  9. Twiggidy

    Twiggidy ASA Member 2+ Year Member

    575
    341
    Jan 13, 2015
    All the people who have the worst to say about living in NY, never actually lived there. For every bad day I had in NY, I had about 8-10 amazing days. Is it worth working 80 hrs as and attending and not getting properly paid for it, probably not, but if I had my current salary in NYC I'd be very happy, and I could own on the Upper West Side / Brooklyn. NO OTHER CITY COMPARES......except maybe London or Paris and then we'd have a good discussion.
     
    anonperson and nimbus like this.
  10. anbuitachi

    anbuitachi ASA Member 7+ Year Member

    2,617
    509
    Oct 26, 2008
    Utah
    Probably terrible payer mix too... It doesn't sound that off from what i hear about NYC
     
  11. FFP

    FFP Grunt, cog, body, pompous ass Gold Donor 7+ Year Member

    5,108
    3,963
    Oct 17, 2007
    Seriously? Maybe as a minority, but otherwise please don't compare New York Sh!tty to Europe. :p
     
    chocomorsel likes this.
  12. GravelRider

    GravelRider SDN Lifetime Donor Lifetime Donor Gold Donor 2+ Year Member

    1,201
    1,179
    Sep 30, 2014
    I don't live in NYC, but it is definitely my favorite city. There is one sure thing about NYC...everyone has an opinion about it whether or not they've ever actually spent any significant time there. People spend a weekend walking around Times Square and think they know New York.
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2017
  13. IlDestriero

    IlDestriero Ether Man 7+ Year Member

    8 calls a month is worth ~200k/yr alone at a lot of places, sometimes more.
    Let that simmer.
    Then add working your post call day.
    And 70-80 hours.
    Then the L1 trauma team...
    I hope you're doing all your own cases because if you're covering 3-4 CRNAs, or even 2 residents you should be up around the 7 figure mark.
    You're doing about 2 FTE.
    I make almost that much at ~50 hours/wk (often less), with about 1 call a month and doing my own cases often.
    And in a desirable city.
    You're making someone very rich. It might as well be you.
    There are lots of cash cow work hard play harder jobs out there. If I were you, I'd be looking for one.
    Or just get a better normal job.
    Hell, mommy track jobs in my area pay ~300 with benefits for 7-3.


    --
    Il Destriero
     
  14. doctalaughs

    doctalaughs Member 10+ Year Member

    616
    426
    Jul 9, 2003
    The people who love NYC tend to have grown up there or somewhere on the east coast. Of course you can find exceptions, but most of the people I know who have lived many years in NYC and other "top 25" U.S. cities admit how much better it is to live somewhere less crowded, less expensive, with better weather, exponentially better pay and similar "cultural" opportunities/food.

    The exception are the big-time law partners and i-bankers because they likely could not make their 5-10+ mill/yr elsewhere.

    Doctors take a huge pay cut in exchange for crappy weather and crowds. Not a big deal if you are single/young/still in training but a huge consideration as you build wealth and raise a family. If you are going to do that at least do LA/san fran so you can cut the weather part out.


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
     
    chocomorsel likes this.
  15. Twiggidy

    Twiggidy ASA Member 2+ Year Member

    575
    341
    Jan 13, 2015
    So true. The New York people "stereotype" is between 34th and 59th and Broadway and 7th Ave. That's NOT real NYC. But again, even I moved because I need to right salary for NYC and the OP doesn't have that salary.

    And yes @FFP having taken several trips to Europe lately, many places in Europe can't compare....except for many apt size.

    Anyway....sum up this thread......OP....get a new job or move.
     
  16. FFP

    FFP Grunt, cog, body, pompous ass Gold Donor 7+ Year Member

    5,108
    3,963
    Oct 17, 2007
    I am sorry, but New York is to European capitals (and other cities) as kitsch is to good taste. No offense.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's so crowded I feel like in some overpopulated Asian city. It's pretty ugly. Even the parts that are considered beautiful are somewhat unattractive to me, and I have visited Manhattan many times. I actually prefer Boston, Philadelphia or DC to it anytime. If Quebec City were 15-20 times bigger and in the US, that's where I would love to live.

    Yes, for Americans, it's a big deal, because few of our cities come close to its size and activity level. But while it may be interesting for the occasional tourist, it's anything but beautiful (for the most part), or a good place to live. Overcrowded, overpriced, overrated. And I haven't mentioned the best part of the city (and metropolitan area), the New Yorkers, pure Minnesota nice.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2017
  17. chocomorsel

    chocomorsel Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    Never lived there. Went there once and hated it. Never been back. I remember nothing but noise, buildings, too many people stuffing themselves in the subway, and hardly anyone smiling and saying hi ( I grew up in the south). I went it the summer and it was pretty hot and I grew up in Texas. And that place freezes in the winter.

    But again, I am more a country girl, living within 45 minutes from a city not in the East Coast.
    However, people there may not be ugly (lol), but why the hell are they so rude? I have lived in the East Coast, and people aren't nice.
    How much does an apartment in the Upper East Side cost anyway?

    Hmm, a studio for Half Mil, a 1 Bedroom for 900K, a 2 Bedroom for 1.5 Mil, a 3 bedroom for 2 Mil. And I am sure those come with parking spots that are like hundreds of dollars a month, and crazy condo fees.

    Why anyone would want to pay those insane prices is beyond me. For Half a Mil in Texas I would be living very well. In a McMansion.
    But again, I am a country girl who prefers peace and space.
     
  18. rakotomazoto

    rakotomazoto ASA Member 7+ Year Member

    147
    105
    Aug 25, 2009
    Los Angeles, CA
    NYC is not worth the cost to live there, it's a nice place to visit once in a while if you have a good reason. But I can't point fingers, I live in LA which comes with it's own limitations.
     
  19. chocomorsel

    chocomorsel Senior Member 10+ Year Member

    At least the weather in LA is nice.
     
    IlDestriero likes this.
  20. doctalaughs

    doctalaughs Member 10+ Year Member

    616
    426
    Jul 9, 2003
    And I personally think the food in LA is way better than NYC.


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
     
    IlDestriero and pgg like this.
  21. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    10,516
    4,363
    Dec 14, 2005
    Home Again
    Indeed. There isn't a decent taco to be found anywhere on the entire east coast.
     
    nimbus, IlDestriero and SaltyDog like this.
  22. anbuitachi

    anbuitachi ASA Member 7+ Year Member

    2,617
    509
    Oct 26, 2008
    Utah
    It's around 1m per bedroom in UES.
     
  23. dr doze

    dr doze To be able to forget means to sanity Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    3,264
    986
    Dec 6, 2006
    Decent taco is an oxymoron.


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile app
     
  24. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    Clearly an East Coaster.
     
  25. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    You know it's a good taco shop when there's at least a 1/4" thick layer of grime covering the desk fan they have bolted upside down to the ceiling in the corner.
     
    Moose A Moose, pgg and nimbus like this.
  26. GravelRider

    GravelRider SDN Lifetime Donor Lifetime Donor Gold Donor 2+ Year Member

    1,201
    1,179
    Sep 30, 2014
    But New York has delicious, unidentifiable "street meat," the bacon egg and cheese, and now the "drug-dealer sandwich" known as the chopped cheese.

    The Cult of the Chopped-Cheese Sandwich, New York's Most Enigmatic Icon
     
  27. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    10,516
    4,363
    Dec 14, 2005
    Home Again
    Blasphemer
     
  28. doctalaughs

    doctalaughs Member 10+ Year Member

    616
    426
    Jul 9, 2003
    Not to mention way better asian food if you are into ramen/sushi etc.


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
     
    Moose A Moose likes this.
  29. dr doze

    dr doze To be able to forget means to sanity Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    3,264
    986
    Dec 6, 2006



    All food tastes better east of the Hudson River.
     
  30. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    Except tacos apparently.
     
    MirrorTodd and dr doze like this.
  31. Scotty_G

    Scotty_G Junior Member 10+ Year Member

    332
    37
    Jun 21, 2004
    Northeast
    Eastcoast vs Westcoast Round 2:.....Begin!
     
    AdmiralChz likes this.
  32. dr doze

    dr doze To be able to forget means to sanity Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    3,264
    986
    Dec 6, 2006
    The beach is on the wrong side.
     
    FFP and dhb like this.
  33. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    Your sun sets over the land . . .barf.
     
    IkeBoy18 and pgg like this.
  34. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    10,516
    4,363
    Dec 14, 2005
    Home Again
    In California I'd be a felon for merely possessing the handgun I carry in Virginia. My competition target rifles would also be felonies to possess.
     
    BLADEMDA likes this.
  35. pgg

    pgg Laugh at me, will they? SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

    10,516
    4,363
    Dec 14, 2005
    Home Again
    In ye olden days, one could take a weekend trip to Baja without getting your head chopped off and do sunrise on the Sea of Cortez and sunset on the Pacific.

    Same days when a 19 year old could go to bars in Tijuana and not risk dying.

    Mid Atlantic beaches make me sad.
     
    nimbus and SaltyDog like this.
  36. dr doze

    dr doze To be able to forget means to sanity Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    3,264
    986
    Dec 6, 2006
    Your beaches are prettier. Do like the wine country a lot. And the climate of San Fransisco area a lot. And the produce... Oh, fudge.
     
    Moose A Moose likes this.
  37. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    You know the weather where you live is total crap when you say you really like the weather in San Fran. :lol:
     
    Twiggidy and MirrorTodd like this.
  38. dr doze

    dr doze To be able to forget means to sanity Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

    3,264
    986
    Dec 6, 2006
    Lived. The weather where I live now is slightly less crappy. I left for the same reasons the OP is lamenting a long time go. Grew up and went to school there.

     
  39. FFP

    FFP Grunt, cog, body, pompous ass Gold Donor 7+ Year Member

    5,108
    3,963
    Oct 17, 2007
    But the ocean is chilly. Must be all the New Yorkers in it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2017
    chocomorsel likes this.
  40. Twiggidy

    Twiggidy ASA Member 2+ Year Member

    575
    341
    Jan 13, 2015
    this
     
  41. Twiggidy

    Twiggidy ASA Member 2+ Year Member

    575
    341
    Jan 13, 2015
    both oceans are cold in reality
     
  42. Ezekiel2517

    Ezekiel2517 Anesthesiologist 10+ Year Member

    412
    324
    Jan 21, 2005
    CA
    Physician
    the city of SF and it's cooler weather is pretty much unique to itself due to the geography. And SF is actually a small city land-wise. The weather in the rest of the huge region which is the SF Bay Area (from Marin County to most of the peninsula to Oakland/Berkeley/rest of East Bay to the South Bay and Silicon Valley) is pretty much close to perfect. Only place with better weather is SD.
     
  43. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    Not just SD, but all of coastal SoCal from Point Conception to the border is better than the Bay Area.
     
    MirrorTodd likes this.
  44. doctalaughs

    doctalaughs Member 10+ Year Member

    616
    426
    Jul 9, 2003
    I live in the southeast but if I had to pick based only on location (and not get my salary cut in half) I'd definitely be in California. Or better yet even Denver since beaches aren't really my thing. Northeast would be dead last on my list.


    Sent from my iPhone using SDN mobile
     
    chocomorsel and FFP like this.
  45. bashwell

    bashwell SDN Bronze Donor Bronze Donor 2+ Year Member

    1,913
    1,858
    Mar 20, 2013
  46. Twiggidy

    Twiggidy ASA Member 2+ Year Member

    575
    341
    Jan 13, 2015
    Those are all insanely accurate, except the one for New York where it says "black people" for Harlem is more and more becoming "young white people who cant afford downtown" and in Chelsea where it says "gays" you can now write "tech nerds"
     
    nimbus and bashwell like this.
  47. anbuitachi

    anbuitachi ASA Member 7+ Year Member

    2,617
    509
    Oct 26, 2008
    Utah
    love the different types of rich people. MEGA rich people. haha
     
  48. Twiggidy

    Twiggidy ASA Member 2+ Year Member

    575
    341
    Jan 13, 2015
    it's true. UWS rich isn't the same as UES rich which isn't that same as Tribeca rich.....but they're all still rich

    Doctors......the ones with families are in New Jersey or Westchester County.
     
    nimbus and dr doze like this.
  49. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    I'm a coastal SoCal native, and I'd be in Bend, OR right now if they had been hiring when I finished residency.
     
  50. MirrorTodd

    MirrorTodd It's a gas. 10+ Year Member

    15,512
    5,483
    Apr 22, 2006
    Nowhere
    MDApps:
    Physician
    I'd be very happy settling down in Santa Barabara.
     
  51. SaltyDog

    SaltyDog Keeping the Forces of Entropy at Bay 10+ Year Member

    1,806
    2,011
    Aug 10, 2007
    Closer to Mexico
    Me too. I'm a Gaucho. But the COL is just plain stupid up there even by CA standards.
     

Share This Page