Anesthesia Redux - A Basics WW Game Sign Ups & Game Thread

[Coopah]

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I like shiny things

Also I proposed this yesterday.

Really? Huh missed that

 

[Navilly]

Really? Huh missed that

Honestly, if it's a Nav tinfoil, Pippy has probably already dreamt of it, hinted at it at least 20-30 times on the thread, and had at least an hour to two hour think exercise about how it could all play out.

 

[PippyPony]

So pippy, I am not sure if you hacked into my hard drive, but your strategy is eerily similar to mine this game. Which is good if you are village, and scary if you are a wolf.

oh man, you caught me

 

[Animal Midwife]

Hey guess what, you have self awareness to wolf poorly and say that you would never wolf poorly. But you know WIFOM and all, great arguments 😉

For it to be WIFOM, it has to be either a scenario realistic within my meta or you have at least seen me do it once. I dare to you ask anyone from any year when I wolfed poorly outside of my first two games (one of which was a speed game).

How much do you want to bet you are not counting *ALL* of my games? No way you can do that, that quickly.

How much do you want to bet I didn't start really playing until 2017 so those before then mean nothing to me knowing how different the culture was? If you want to describe all scenarios where you did and didn't vote a wolf go ahead, but I'm only doing lengthy statistics, in the middle of a game I'm trying to solve, if I can't easily access it.

If you were threatening to my life span, you would already be dead if i was a wolf. The number of times I suggest NKing you on night 1 is well over half the time. If I was a vigilante, you would also already be dead this game.

Really? Then how come I've only been night killed once while you were a wolf (even then I was a rez so confirmed non-original)?

You aren't going to convince me to stay away from this doggo vote and spread the votes out. Cool trick, but I am seeing through it.

*********lynch doggo**********

Notice how I never mentioned Doggo anywhere? It's me that doesn't want to vote there. I never said anything about your votes. So overall, 3/10 dodge.

 

[Barkley13]

this half shade looks bad in retrospect.

You call it shade, I call it being suspicious 🙄

 

[PippyPony]

Honestly, if it's a Nav tinfoil, Pippy has probably already dreamt of it

I haven't had a nightmare in almost 10 years, actually! Just lucky that way 😀

 

[Barkley13]

Anyway I still feel good about a strog lynch and possibly nav. No strong feelings either way on doggo

 

[Barkley13]

Lynch strog

 

[Animal Midwife]

I am going to respond to others instead of AM since I am going to just be ignoring her the rest of this game so this doesn't go into WW3

The question was asked where she would go next if I was village, meaning how does my flip affect her reads. What she is saying there, is that my read isn't impacting Strog. She is voting strog in spite of my flip. She wants to vote me and she wants to vote strog. Be careful of people who don't care how others flip, it does and should have an impact on how you read others.

So 2 votes on me, with 1 of them being AM, was viable until 2 minutes left? I want everyone to think carefully about this. 1 + 1 = 2 no matter how you spin it. I know that some people will want that number to become 3 or 22, but you know, it is what it is.

Just read the arguments and use your own judgment.

This also doesn't help my read of you. I can't tell you what to do in a game but actively refusing to engage is anti-village and I will always stand by that. Fine if you don't want to discuss this point any longer (though I'm not sure why it was reignited in the first place then), but I'm disappointed by this more obstructive option. You had this occur to you before from a different player and I thought you wouldn't do the same.

Should you change your mind here are my thoughts:
No where did I tell you to vote Strog. Not today, not yesterday. I'm voting you so I must find the Strog village world to be more likely. I was viable, but I'm not self-voting what is an innocent child to me.

 

[PippyPony]

How in the world do you have Miz on your short list. I read Miz with close to 100% accuracy. Unless you think we are a pack, and then that's fair. But realistically, that's not the droid you are looking for.

Has pocketing been added to the list of jedi mind trick core competencies?

 

[Navilly]

This also doesn't help my read of you. I can't tell you what to do in a game but actively refusing to engage is anti-village and I will always stand by that. Fine if you don't want to discuss this point any longer (though I'm not sure why it was reignited in the first place then), but I'm disappointed by this more obstructive option. You had this occur to you before from a different player and I thought you wouldn't do the same.

Should you change your mind here are my thoughts:
No where did I tell you to vote Strog. Not today, not yesterday. I'm voting you so I must find the Strog village world to be more likely. I was viable, but I'm not self-voting what is an innocent child to me.

Engagement is being done but being addressed to others not you. The arguments are still being presented, but are being directed as why this makes sense vs. not to unbiased people.

AM had twisted words yesterday, so I am stopping engaging today. That's not an obstructive, but going around in circles with someone who won't listen is pointless. Demonstrating how that is occurring to others is helpful. There is a strong difference there.

What AM has still not elaborated on is where the connection between me and strog is. If I am a villager, than strog is likely to be a wolf per AM. Even though me, who AM is claiming to be a villager in this case, is strongly making the case for strog being a villager. Something does not add up there. For me the difficulty is seeing whether AM is having stuff going on irl or outside the game that is impacting her village play, or if she is intentionally wolfing badly to say that she would never wolf this badly.

 

[Navilly]

This also doesn't help my read of you. I can't tell you what to do in a game but actively refusing to engage is anti-village and I will always stand by that. Fine if you don't want to discuss this point any longer (though I'm not sure why it was reignited in the first place then), but I'm disappointed by this more obstructive option. You had this occur to you before from a different player and I thought you wouldn't do the same.

Should you change your mind here are my thoughts:
No where did I tell you to vote Strog. Not today, not yesterday. I'm voting you so I must find the Strog village world to be more likely. I was viable, but I'm not self-voting what is an innocent child to me.

Edit: Double post: but, missed a point. AM is claiming that I was saying to self vote. That's not what I said, my emphasis was Coopah was just as viable a vote as me. Coopah had 1 vote. I had 1 vote + AM. Whether AM is on me or Coopah, the viability is the same. Once again, 1 + 1 =2.

 

[Navilly]

Has pocketing been added to the list of jedi mind trick core competencies?

Curious if you are trying to say I am being pocketed by Miz or if I am pocketing Miz. Either way, it doesn't work. She's okay at reading me and doesn't care if I say she is a villager, wolf, chaos, neutral, a unicorn, etc. I am quite good at reading her, wolf or villager.

 

[PippyPony]

Edit: Double post: but, missed a point. AM is claiming that I was saying to self vote. That's not what I said, my emphasis was Coopah was just as viable a vote as me. Coopah had 1 vote. I had 1 vote + AM. Whether AM is on me or Coopah, the viability is the same. Once again, 1 + 1 =2.

1+1 = 2 wolf points for u

for this post specifically.

 

[Navilly]

1+1 = 2 wolf points for u

for this post specifically.

Oh no. I was worried that I was starting to gain too many village read points from others that I might be kileld tonight. Thank you my savior for those two gracious wolf points, however can I repay you?!

 

[PippyPony]

Oh no. I was worried that I was starting to gain too many village read points from others that I might be kileld tonight. Thank you my savior for those two gracious wolf points, however can I repay you?!

You don't have to repay me. They're not fake pity points, they're real points.

Not curious about why?

Edit: I know you are being sarcastic but I also didn't want you to get the wrong idea

 

[Doggo Labs]

I'm not liking how dolphin, pippy (who I thought was seriously against a doggo lynch?) and miz are all on doggo. Feels like resistance to a barks lynch. Pippy is apparently doing it for strictly info, which I am vehemently opposed to.

I also thought Pippy was against lynching me... I asked her in my earlier post what made her change her mind but she never responded.

You don't like info?

When is the last time you've seen a wolf advocate lynching someone for the benefit of information -- serious question


If Doggo is village, I would like to lynch genny
If Doggo is wolf, I would like to lynch you

That is just a start

Then why vote for me if you would like to lynch someone else?

So an aside for a second. I see all of this commentary from strog about the VCA from yesterday, but that would be dependent on the vote that happened yesterday around doggo. Doggo gives us the most info, as that BC wagon formed in response to doggo being at the top of the tally. If Doggo is a wolf, bound to find a wolf or two on the BC wagon.

If AM ends up being a wolf with you, I can assure you that you two voting almost simultaneously for BC (or at least that's how you are describing it), as that's noob status type wolfing.

Let it be known I am *almost* as happy with a Barks lynch BUT doggo provides more information as that was the counterlynch yesterday.


Hey guess what, you have self awareness to wolf poorly and say that you would never wolf poorly. But you know WIFOM and all, great arguments 😉


You aren't going to convince me to stay away from this doggo vote and spread the votes out. Cool trick, but I am seeing through it.

*********lynch doggo**********

It's defs not not noob wolfing since I am not a wolf or in wolf chat. And I doubt AM would make that mistake if she was a wolf.

Right now here are my reads
Haven't heard enough from: jboo, miz, and stagg
Villagey side: AM, Strog
Neutral from leaning village to leaning wolf: genny, Barks, dolph, Coop
Wolfie side of things: Nav, cubs, pippy

Lynch Nav

 

[Animal Midwife]

Engagement is being done but being addressed to others not you. The arguments are still being presented, but are being directed as why this makes sense vs. not to unbiased people.

AM had twisted words yesterday, so I am stopping engaging today. That's not an obstructive, but going around in circles with someone who won't listen is pointless. Demonstrating how that is occurring to others is helpful. There is a strong difference there.

What AM has still not elaborated on is where the connection between me and strog is. If I am a villager, than strog is likely to be a wolf per AM. Even though me, who AM is claiming to be a villager in this case, is strongly making the case for strog being a villager. Something does not add up there. For me the difficulty is seeing whether AM is having stuff going on irl or outside the game that is impacting her village play, or if she is intentionally wolfing badly to say that she would never wolf this badly.

Alrighty then. There is no connection between you and Strog. You're on the bottom of the wolfy spectrum and he's near the bottom of the village spectrum. As wolfy candidates get knocked off, the list shifts. Even more so if someone with a high chance of being wolf flips otherwise. I have to re-eval and see what that leaves me with. As stated prior, Strog is village for very weak reasons, I could easily put him in neutral if not for tone. So you flipping village would make me want to give him a second glance for what I perceive to be sitting quietly while incorrect wagons form.

 

[PippyPony]

Then why vote for me if you would like to lynch someone else?

Because I don't know which of them I would like to lynch without knowing your affiliation. That is how info lynches work.

You've had genny and barks in your neutral pile for 2 days now. Why are they in that bucket?

 

[Navilly]

You don't have to repay me. They're not fake pity points, they're real points.

Not curious about why?

Edit: I know you are being sarcastic but I also didn't want you to get the wrong idea

Not particularly tbh. I know you are going to say it anyway, so you may as well.


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[Navilly]

I also thought Pippy was against lynching me... I asked her in my earlier post what made her change her mind but she never responded.


Then why vote for me if you would like to lynch someone else?



It's defs not not noob wolfing since I am not a wolf or in wolf chat. And I doubt AM would make that mistake if she was a wolf.

Right now here are my reads
Haven't heard enough from: jboo, miz, and stagg
Villagey side: AM, Strog
Neutral from leaning village to leaning wolf: genny, Barks, dolph, Coop
Wolfie side of things: Nav, cubs, pippy

Lynch Nav

You can see how retaliatory voting two days in a row is a bad look, no?


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[PippyPony]

Alrighty then. There is no connection between you and Strog. You're on the bottom of the wolfy spectrum and he's near the bottom of the village spectrum. As wolfy candidates get knocked off, the list shifts. Even more so if someone with a high chance of being wolf flips otherwise. I have to re-eval and see what that leaves me with. As stated prior, Strog is village for very weak reasons, I could easily put him in neutral if not for tone. So you flipping village would make me want to give him a second glance for what I perceive to be sitting quietly while incorrect wagons form.

In light of this, can you explain your "Nope" response to SAR last night when she asked you if you were reevaluating your reads after BigKitties' flip?

 

[Coopah]

At this rate Stagg is going to be mod killed and a non-issue, which sucks if he's village but eh whatever.

@mizchiefmanaged you feeling better? What are your thoughts on Pip? On Barks? I doubt you're going to make the quota at this rate 😉 what do you think of Nav being able to read you close to 100%?

@johnnaboo where you at?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial D2 Lynch Tally
dolphin () -
Nav (2) - AM, Doggo
Barks (2) - Coop, Strog
Doggo (4) - dolphin, Pippy, miz, Nav
Strog (1) - Barks

9/13
lynch close in ~5 hours

 

[PippyPony]

Unofficial D2 Lynch Tally
dolphin () -
Nav (2) - AM, Doggo
Barks (2) - Coop, Strog
Doggo (3) - dolphin, Pippy, miz
Strog (1) - Barks

8/13
lynch close in ~5 hours

You're missing nav's vote, I think

 

[Animal Midwife]

In light of this, can you explain your "Nope" response to SAR last night when she asked you if you were reevaluating your reads after BigKitties' flip?

Sure. BC not flipping wolf had nothing to do with Nav. My vote was inspired by Nav voting for Doggo (thus leading me to village read the latter) and BC being the tight counterwagon, who had at least voted one villager that day in my eyes.

 

[PippyPony]

Sure. BC not flipping wolf had nothing to do with Nav. My vote was inspired by Nav voting for Doggo (thus leading me to village read the latter) and BC being the tight counterwagon, who had at least voted one villager that day in my eyes.

So basically you're saying you saw an opportunity to take a retaliatory shot and you took it?

 

[Navilly]

Sure. BC not flipping wolf had nothing to do with Nav. My vote was inspired by Nav voting for Doggo (thus leading me to village read the latter) and BC being the tight counterwagon, who had at least voted one villager that day in my eyes.

So essentially "doggo is a villager because I voted for them." But AM earlier said that my early votes, when I wolf, are NAI and that I vote exactly 50% of the time for wolf vs. non wolfs on day 1. Well at least in the games she looked at. So the logic of voting for BC over doggo given that according to AM herself, my vote is NAI, is completely illogical.

 

[Coopah]

illogical.

Wasn't someone saying something about this word? @Stroganoff? I remember you kept saying she was being illogical but it was something else...

 

[PippyPony]

So essentially "doggo is a villager because I voted for them." But AM earlier said that my early votes, when I wolf, are NAI and that I vote exactly 50% of the time for wolf vs. non wolfs on day 1. Well at least in the games she looked at. So the logic of voting for BC over doggo given that according to AM herself, my vote is NAI, is completely illogical.

This is not a good argument either.

 

[Navilly]

This is not a good argument either.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Doggo Labs]

Because I don't know which of them I would like to lynch without knowing your affiliation. That is how info lynches work.

You've had genny and barks in your neutral pile for 2 days now. Why are they in that bucket?

They are on my neutral pile because I haven't seen anything overly village or overly wolf.

You can see how retaliatory voting two days in a row is a bad look, no?


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I am not retaliating, you got your vote in before mine.

 

[Animal Midwife]

So basically you're saying you saw an opportunity to take a retaliatory shot and you took it?

No. I took a shot to protect the player I was reading as village from being the counterwagon to a player I was reading neutral, at best.

So essentially "doggo is a villager because I voted for them." But AM earlier said that my early votes, when I wolf, are NAI and that I vote exactly 50% of the time for wolf vs. non wolfs on day 1. Well at least in the games she looked at. So the logic of voting for BC over doggo given that according to AM herself, my vote is NAI, is completely illogical.

I didn't look up this stat until you brought it up today. Regardless, my gut assumption will always be that unless there are multiple wolves (or a more important wolf) on the board somewhere or, god fobid, a wolf who forgets it's a team game, people are not going to needlessly bus near EOD. Doggo was reading neutral to me until you moved there. My wolf reads voting on players do impact my reads of the voted/counters.

 

[PippyPony]

Care to elaborate?

You can't discount someone's sampling as biased and then turn right around and use the same data from the biased sample to assert a flaw in their logical conclusion and hang them. Kinda have to pick one or the other.

Tbh it seems like the sort of spin I might try when I'm taking heat as a wolf.

 

[PippyPony]

They are on my neutral pile because I haven't seen anything overly village or overly wolf.

Yes, I understand what neutral means. 😉

From my perspective, it would be helpful to understand more details about what makes them so middle of the road. e.g., if you were to iso them and also examine their interactions with others, which posts seem more village and why? which posts seem more wolfy and why? how about their votes? how about the reasoning behind their votes?

Since you are in the lead right now and only two votes away from death, if you are village it would be beneficial to us for you to provide some of your thoughts before you are gone, not just a list.

 

[Coopah]

I'd be so down to do it. But then again, you totally did that with Pippy in a game, so would just be cliche to do that. New meta is to have all wolves involved in a full fledged raw death match.

We were all the wolves in that game FYI, just the two of us.

 

[PippyPony]

We were all the wolves in that game FYI, just the two of us.

♫ ♪ just the two of us ♫

 

[PippyPony]

Anyway I still feel good about a strog lynch and possibly nav. No strong feelings either way on doggo

Lynch strog

But why

 

[Coopah]

Wow no original contribution nice
Off feeling means nothing to me because that’s always said about me
And you act like I had never interacted with BC before that or explained the switch after

This is my interpretation, feel free to correct me

... @Barkley13 am I wrong ooooor?

 

[Navilly]

You can't discount someone's sampling as biased and then turn right around and use the same data from the biased sample to assert a flaw in their logical conclusion and hang them. Kinda have to pick one or the other.

Tbh it seems like the sort of spin I might try when I'm taking heat as a wolf.

I can mention two flaws in someone’s argument. I can point out how they did not sample well enough. And I can also point out that their argument contradicts themself. I am not restricted to doing one or the other. This is one of the times where I can bake the delicious cake and smash my head in the frosting, and eat from there (isn’t that how everyone eats cake?)


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[PippyPony]

Okie dokie, I really have to get back to work.

I will say that if Doggo is village, it looks rather bad for Barks to have voted inexplicably for Strog today vs. advancing someone else on their wolf list (cough *nav*) towards majority.

And I don't think Barks could vote Doggo without that move looking completely terrible (especially after yesterday), so even though they might want to get Doggo lynched, it would make sense to open up another target that might be easy to push.

However, I still think those flips at the end of lynch yesterday were hella weird and I want some answers.

Also, I don't like how genny is holding her vote in light of the current spread.

 

[jaboo]

@johnnaboo where you at?

You guys talk a **** ton, lemme catch up

 

[cubsrule4e]

Who wants to bet nav and AM are both wolves staging this entire interaction to **** with us? No takers? It's so shiny though

Right before I got to this post I literally thought to myself “this is nav/AM all over again from Game Night in which I had first hand knowledge watching it in wolf chat and then on thread”

 

[Trilt]

***************

Why... Why are you including this terrible rule that should go up in a ball of flames (No disrespect @Trilt )

We have for sure discussed this before. My justification is that the only reason that time exists is that I'm not a superhuman typer. It's nothing time on a game scale and why should people be able to strategize in a time space that is basically a purgatory?

I personally like just locking the damn thread at lynch close be glad Dubz is kinder than I in that regard. 😛
**************

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Nav, Barks, and Miz are on my short list right now. I am less concerned about Doggo after her participation yesterday.

Girl I think this is three games in a row you’ve tunneled me. I don’t think we read each other well

Who wants to bet nav and AM are both wolves staging this entire interaction to **** with us? No takers? It's so shiny though

I actually had this thought. Because I’ve honestly started to skim most of it. I try to not do that but when I’m busy it gets tuned out.

Has pocketing been added to the list of jedi mind trick core competencies?

I haven’t been nearly active enough to pocket lol

Curious if you are trying to say I am being pocketed by Miz or if I am pocketing Miz. Either way, it doesn't work. She's okay at reading me and doesn't care if I say she is a villager, wolf, chaos, neutral, a unicorn, etc. I am quite good at reading her, wolf or villager.

You tend to read me well. I tend to get paranoid and read you as wolf due to tinfoil’s.

At this rate Stagg is going to be mod killed and a non-issue, which sucks if he's village but eh whatever.

@mizchiefmanaged you feeling better? What are your thoughts on Pip? On Barks? I doubt you're going to make the quota at this rate 😉 what do you think of Nav being able to read you close to 100%?

@johnnaboo where you at?

Feeling a lot better today (thank god for sudafed), just a busy day

 

[Doggo Labs]

Yes, I understand what neutral means. 😉

From my perspective, it would be helpful to understand more details about what makes them so middle of the road. e.g., if you were to iso them and also examine their interactions with others, which posts seem more village and why? which posts seem more wolfy and why? how about their votes? how about the reasoning behind their votes?

Since you are in the lead right now and only two votes away from death, if you are village it would be beneficial to us for you to provide some of your thoughts before you are gone, not just a list.

Okay I can do that. Give me a minute or two... maybe like 10 realistically

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

I still like my doggo vote. I’m the first to admit that I tend to tunnel barks (mutts too). I always get nervous voting either of them early unless I have real solid feels. And I haven’t gotten those yet.

 

[mizchiefmanaged]

Sure. BC not flipping wolf had nothing to do with Nav. My vote was inspired by Nav voting for Doggo (thus leading me to village read the latter) and BC being the tight counterwagon, who had at least voted one villager that day in my eyes.

You’re wolf reading Nav that strongly that you think him voting for someone is enough to make them village leaning?

 

[WildZoo]

Only if I am playing, since I am the only one who can reliably get you lynched 🙂

You and mel lol

 

[Animal Midwife]

You’re wolf reading Nav that strongly that you think him voting for someone is enough to make them village leaning?

If I wasn't wolfreading someone, I wouldn't be voting them.