Anyone Find Nursing Students Really Arrogant and Annoying?

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katiemaude said:
bleargh, if you and jvesco22 really think like that, you must be the most hated premeds wherever you volunteer or work.

Students of any sort are the lowest of the low. I wouldn't presume to act like I knew more than one of the ER techs or a CNA, unless I was working as one while going to school.

Your attitudes are awesome.
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but, you do obviously presume to know more than any other student it seems. i'm simply asking you take your own advice and shut up? oh em gee i aced freshman year classes!! smiley smiley explosion!!!!11!!!!one!!
 
It's not meant to be obnoxious. I'll probably delete or change it soon. I just put it up a few days ago to remind myself that I need to keep pushing forward. I am a non-trad student and each step of this process has been hard for me financially.

I'm trying to keep my spirits up, not rub it in anyone's faces.
 
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bleargh said:
but, you do obviously presume to know more than any other student it seems. i'm simply asking you take your own advice and shut up? oh em gee i aced freshman year classes!! smiley smiley explosion!!!!11!!!!one!!
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Not really, bleargh. I'm talking to myself on that one, about shutting up ... I don't think I know more than a nurse or anyone else who is already working. I just think the attitude stinks and I've seen it garner a lot of hatred when premeds or nursing students act like that. I'm sorry you're so angry. :laugh:
 
katiemaude said:
Not really, bleargh. I'm talking to myself on that one, about shutting up ... I don't think I know more than a nurse or anyone else who is already working. I just think the attitude stinks and I've seen it garner a lot of hatred when premeds or nursing students act like that. I'm sorry you're so angry. :laugh:
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i'm more amused than anything katie, this is my expression right now 🙄

good luck to you in any case, my attitude towards you has softened because of your non-tradishness
 
jvesco22 said:
I can't figure out what's more annoying. Your post or your sig...
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:laugh:


In my school the premeds are always bragging about research and how hard it is to get into med school. Nursing majors complain all day about how much they need to study and how hard their major is. Nursing majors at my school think they are better than premeds.
Both groups of people are annoying. I just hate when nursing majors go out of their way to try to convince me to become a nursing major.
 
For me it's the female nursing students, they can practice their palpation skills on me.
 
FutureCTDoc said:
For me it's the female nursing students, they can practice their palpation skills on me.
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Nurses/people on salaries who live on their own dont't want lil' boys who live off of mommy n daddy. They want a real man. 😉
 
I really do not think arrogance is exclusive to any single major during undergrad. There is always someone in every class you will ever have who will be complaining about the work they have and who thinks they have it so much harder than everyone else. I have seen it in o-chem as well as western philosophy and everything in between. It is not any specific major, it's just people. Annoying, condescending, arrogant people.
 
ButImLETired said:
And the idea that a class in which you have to "just memorize" a bunch of information is inherently easy is HILARIOUS...because you have described med school in a nutshell, and I haven't met too many engineers complaining about how easy med school is. So please spare us the bs.
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LET, as usual, I agree with the vast majority of your post. However, I disagree with the suggestion that memorization-intensive classes are not easy. In my opinion, they are significantly easier compared to concept-heavy classes. Even in the realm of biology, physiology, in my own experience and those of others at my undergrad, has been significantly more challenging than biochemistry for example. The "difficulty" of memorization-intensive classes comes from how time consuming it is to memorize certain material. But I would never equate time consuming with difficult. Correct me if I'm wrong (especially since you're much further ahead in this process than I am), but wouldn't med school be hard because of the volume of material you need to know and not necessarily because of the difficulty of the classes? That's the sense I've gotten over the past two years from reading on SDN and from physicians I've talked with. And, if that's the case, it's easy to understand why you "haven't met too many engineers complaining about how easy med school is."
 
First off, I would like to say that I am a nurse and I am a male. Next, I would have to say that there is no one on the face of the planet that hates being a nurse more than I. This is said to let you know that there is no bias towards nursing only my own view which came from experience and not speculation or a run in with a nursing student in Bio lab. If anything I am overly critical of nursing. However, here are some tidbits I have learned that most premeds don't know.

Just last night I had to tell a resident that a patient not voiding more than 10cc an hour for the past several hours was a bad thing. She said " I don't know. You tell me". Did she know that low urine out put was bad? Of course. Did she know what to say or do to fix it? Not a clue. I had to walk her though all of her options (diuretics, fluid bolus etc). Then I had to tell her the dose/frequency of several other drugs because the patient needed them IV instead of PO.

Also, just last night I had a MD of over 30 years that couldn't even manage to achieve hemostasis on a removed arterial line and had to move out of the way so a nurse could do it.

Nurses can not provide medical care. But thinking that an MD can provide nursing care as well as a nurse is asinine.

The bottom line is this: We nurses know and do a lot that the doctors(and premeds) never see. If a doctor stays on my unit longer than 10minutes then it was a busy day for them (I work in a CVICU). We are their eyes and ears. We make clinical judgments that keep the patients alive. We have to. Because like I said the MD is there 10min, we are there 12 hours. The doctor knows when there is something wrong with the patient when WE call and tell him. If we are good at our job then we can help speed the patient out of the hospital. If we are bad, we can kill them. Be good to your nurses. We determine whether or not you get to sleep at night 🙂. If any of you pre meds want to come sit with me for 12hrs and fight with a crazy patient, someone trying extubate themselves, or one that has a GI bleed, you have my personal invite. I'll even call some MDs out for you. Then you can tell me if you think nursing could use a bit more or less respect.

In conclusion, I am a male nurse. Luckily, I have also been able to get a med school interview so maybe I'm not worthless after all.
 
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Kaushik said:
LET, as usual, I agree with the vast majority of your post. However, I disagree with the suggestion that memorization-intensive classes are not easy. In my opinion, they are significantly easier compared to concept-heavy classes. Even in the realm of biology, physiology, in my own experience and those of others at my undergrad, has been significantly more challenging than biochemistry for example. The "difficulty" of memorization-intensive classes comes from how time consuming it is to memorize certain material. But I would never equate time consuming with difficult. Correct me if I'm wrong (especially since you're much further ahead in this process than I am), but wouldn't med school be hard because of the volume of material you need to know and not necessarily because of the difficulty of the classes? That's the sense I've gotten over the past two years from reading on SDN and from physicians I've talked with. And, if that's the case, it's easy to understand why you "haven't met too many engineers complaining about how easy med school is."
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This is accurate, but what I'm saying is that people define "difficulty" differently. For some, it's far easier to do something conceptually complex than it is to sit for 6 hours and memorize drug names and mechanisms. For others it's much easier to sit and write a paper for that amount of time. And some people are so used to the whole "sit in a quiet room and memorize until your eyes hurt" thing that they find it "easier" than trying to get through a math problem set. I have a family member who genuinely found physics and math to be intuitive, so she rarely had to really sit and study. She once took a bio class and very nearly failed it, because she just wasn't used to that kind of work. Of course it wasn't conceptually complicated, but it was harder for her to study and memorize than it was to get through a physics problem set. One of my closest friends from college was a comp sci engineer and I was always so envious of his workload- not that it was easier than mine, but he could just be "done"- he wrote the code, it worked, there was no debugging, it was simply done and he knew he'd get an A on it. Meanwhile, I (a natural science and liberal arts double major) could stare at my textbooks for days and not know if I was studying what I'd be tested on, and I could work on papers forever and not know if the professor would like my writing style. It's just different frustrations and different ways of interpreting "difficulty". Unfortunately, most people don't acknowledge that, and that's what I find annoying.
 
Incidentally, this is the same thing that happens when I read MCAT threads. Everyone is always complaining about how "hard" verbal is. To me, verbal was absolutely intuitive and I spent all of 5 minutes on it. On the other hand, studying for chem was a massive PITA. Others barely look at the chem but have to do a zillion practice passages for verbal. I find that so puzzling- just read the passage, the answers are right in there!- but I guess not everyone "sees" what they're supposed to see. Verbal requires second-order thinking, not just focusing on the details of "what the passage is saying", but thinking more globally about what the author is actually trying to argue. It requires almost thinking like the author at times. If you're used to problem sets, you're probably not used to this type of thinking. If you're used to reading bio textbooks, you're probably also not used to this type of thinking. But if you're used to interpreting literary works, this is the way you think ANYWAY. So it's easy. For me, verbal and bio were easy. For others, that might not be the case. That's all I'm saying.
 
ButImLETired said:
This is accurate, but what I'm saying is that people define "difficulty" differently. For some, it's far easier to do something conceptually complex than it is to sit for 6 hours and memorize drug names and mechanisms. For others it's much easier to sit and write a paper for that amount of time. And some people are so used to the whole "sit in a quiet room and memorize until your eyes hurt" thing that they find it "easier" than trying to get through a math problem set. I have a family member who genuinely found physics and math to be intuitive, so she rarely had to really sit and study. She once took a bio class and very nearly failed it, because she just wasn't used to that kind of work. Of course it wasn't conceptually complicated, but it was harder for her to study and memorize than it was to get through a physics problem set. One of my closest friends from college was a comp sci engineer and I was always so envious of his workload- not that it was easier than mine, but he could just be "done"- he wrote the code, it worked, there was no debugging, it was simply done and he knew he'd get an A on it. Meanwhile, I (a natural science and liberal arts double major) could stare at my textbooks for days and not know if I was studying what I'd be tested on, and I could work on papers forever and not know if the professor would like my writing style. It's just different frustrations and different ways of interpreting "difficulty". Unfortunately, most people don't acknowledge that, and that's what I find annoying.
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Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you that different people have different strengths and weaknesses. All I was trying to say was that memorization-intensive courses require you to put in a ton of time memorizing, but that I (personally) don't think that translates to the material being difficult. I mean, I was a bio major. I had to put in a ton of time for a lot of classes (biochem, genetics, etc). However, that's what made the classes hard: having to sit and reread material several times to memorize it while your friends are going out every night. It wasn't that the material itself was hard to understand. But like I said, I do completely agree with you about what people find hard and easy. I'm just trying to understand what people define as being difficult and compare it to my definition of it.
 
I found this thread and I'm a male nursing student. I find the drama of nursing school to be worse than tech school, community college, and two different Universities (one with a medical school attached). The students complain day and night, go out for drinks and gossip, then write terrible peer reviews when the time comes. I find it hard to believe that nursing school is harder than medical school as well. The professors don't understand anatomy nor physics, so when Newton's Law comes around you're basically teaching them. I know a lot from being pre-med and taking physics/calc/chem already. Some days it feels like the worst choice I made was to go into nursing. When I started there, there were 5 males (including myself). 2 of them have since dropped. The other guy is considered attractive, which I don't care about that thing because I'm not a teenager anymore. They all drink, they get mad whenever their grades reflect problems, and it's just so arrogant at times. You feel as though they think higher of themselves than doctors. I've met nicer medical students, premed students, and actual doctors personally.

You learn only selective information. You ask a question that goes deeper into say biology or chemistry and you'll get this response "Go ask a doctor". I've been told time and time again to shut up by students who don't like me asking questions and yes, they do think they'll make tons of money afterwords. I have 1 year left, but at this time I just want to graduate and forget I ever went to nursing school. It feels like a female's profession and I'm not trying to be sexist. I feel like females have an advantage inside the school. There isn't a single male professor or counselor. I remember a long time ago when that actually helped the same sex, but we all think differently.

I've even had some of the students call me telling me what other students are saying about me. Like they get drunk and read off my information from a health assessment. I mean, seriously? It's like you don't want to be part of the drama, but you're caught up in it anyway. Healthcare does not need this stuff, I don't need this stuff. The Associate Dean knows how I feel, but you have to go through a Matrix of complaints, forms, and etc and no student in Nursing school will admit fault or wrong doing.
 
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I took a few nursing classes in undergrad and got 99% easily. I hate to say this but the average prenursing student is about 3 notches below the average premedical student when it comes to intellect.
 
Everyone does this. You should go on Twitter and look at all the people posting pictures of themselves wearing stethoscopes #futuredoctor...also, the number of times I see students wearing white coats when they aren't even doctors yet...
 
There are annoying idiots in every major.

The whole nurses vs doctors thing is idiotic, and patient care suffers when people bring this stuff on to the floor. Both jobs are difficult and important, but in different ways. People need to stop comparing apples to oranges.

I think we should put all the most pretentious nursing students and premeds in a cage together and have our own version of the Hunger Games.
 
I find a lot more of this thinly-veiled arrogance among premeds. I'm sure it's relevant in other disciplines, but I most see this in the doctors, lawyers, and engineers crowd.
 
mrh125 said:
I find a lot more of this thinly-veiled arrogance among premeds. I'm sure it's relevant in other disciplines, but I most see this in the doctors, lawyers, and engineers crowd.
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I've been hit on by first semester premeds who think the fact that they've been in organic chemistry for a week is going to impress me. And don't even get me started on OKCupid profiles. It's like watching a train wreck.
 
Annabell Lee said:
I've been hit on by first semester premeds who think the fact that they've been in organic chemistry for a week is going to impress me. And don't even get me started on OKCupid profiles. It's like watching a train wreck.
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Nurses are very thirsty too, which explains why you have an OK cupid profile. Seriously though, when I would shadow there was always some nurse flirting with me.
 
EMDO2018 said:
Nurses are very thirsty too, which explains why you have an OK cupid profile. Seriously though, when I would shadow there was always some nurse flirting with me.
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*had
Like I said, we both have them. Honestly I hope all the first semester premeds who are that full of themselves hook up with all the nursing students who view nursing school as a way to land a doctor.
 
This thread is so pointless... Can we close it?

Everyone is going to think their major/field is the hardest because they haven't experienced the other fields to compare. Even if they have, everyone has different skills. This thread is just bunch of "let's bash everyone".
 
I met a (very drunk) nursing student at the bar last weekend and when she heard me talking about the MCAT with my roommate she went on a rant about how doctors are stupid and told me she hated me.
 
I'm more annoyed with people who got into pharmacy and optometry school then start saying they're going to "medical school"
 
ButImLETired said:
And the idea that a class in which you have to "just memorize" a bunch of information is inherently easy is HILARIOUS...because you have described med school in a nutshell, and I haven't met too many engineers complaining about how easy med school is. So please spare us the bs.
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I don't think memorizing things is easy. But, I do think that it is largely a waste of time. I didn't major in something that required a lot of memorization first because I'm not particularly good at it, but secondly and far more importantly, it wasn't going to help me in the future in any way shape or form. If you have an eidetic memory, I can see the utility. Still not worth memorizing for the sake of memorizing, but understandable.

Medical school is not about memorizing things. Yes, there are many pre-clinical professors who disagree. Yes, that is how things are generally tested, especially in early medical school. But, medical school, should be about learning how to think. It is very common and very unfortunate that students get trapped in the notion that school = education because if you come away from medical school thinking that learning medicine is about memorizing things, you are going to get hurt going into residency and actually practicing medicine. Yes, you do need to learn things and you shouldn't have to look up the basics over and over and should have certain things committed to memory, but virtually none of that is taught in medical school and certainly isn't taught in your pre-clinical years.


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As for the OP... Every profession and every discipline is going to have people like this. There are bad nurses, there are bad doctors. You are going to run into these kinds of people for the rest of your life all over the place. There is nothing you can do about it. Adopt a "we are all a team working toward the betterment of our patient's health" and just ignore anyone that disagrees.
 
my experience with nursing students has been pretty much the opposite of the OP.
 
Working in a hospital, I always found nursing students to be very nice and receptive when they rotated in the ED. In school though, many were arrogant, cocky, and always dropping their major in conversation. I just shrugged it off. People need to feel important.
 
I love nursing students! <3 However, a lot of them feel the need to flex their muscles in front of me, which I find very unnecessary.
 
"People need to feel important"

And if you understand this life lesson, dealing with people will become a whole lot easier. Trust me, there are nursing assistants who, after taking a 2 week community college class, think they are superior to doctors and nurses. "We do all the hard work" they say. People need to feel a sense of importance in life, that's why you shouldn't take it personally when your less accomplished people think that they are "better" than you. It's just their way coping and finding their sense of importance.
 
itsthat1guy said:
I met a (very drunk) nursing student at the bar last weekend and when she heard me talking about the MCAT with my roommate she went on a rant about how doctors are stupid and told me she hated me.
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Do you like apples? Cause when that happened to me I got her number.
 
@itsthat1guy She most likely would have slept with you. Just because she hates you doesn't mean the biological drive to go for a high status partner was any less.
 
itsthat1guy said:
I met a (very drunk) nursing student at the bar last weekend and when she heard me talking about the MCAT with my roommate she went on a rant about how doctors are stupid and told me she hated me.
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And you still didn't sleep with her? Beta male. 😛
 
itsthat1guy said:
I met a (very drunk) nursing student at the bar last weekend and when she heard me talking about the MCAT with my roommate she went on a rant about how doctors are stupid and told me she hated me.
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Lol. Sounds legit.
 
EMDO2018 said:
"People need to feel important"

And if you understand this life lesson, dealing with people will become a whole lot easier. Trust me, there are nursing assistants who, after taking a 2 week community college class, think they are superior to doctors and nurses. "We do all the hard work" they say. People need to feel a sense of importance in life, that's why you shouldn't take it personally when your less accomplished people think that they are "better" than you. It's just their way coping and finding their sense of importance.
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this is so true. feeding the ego of others is a great tactic.
 
Xenoblade said:
this is so true. feeding the ego of others is a great tactic.
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Tactics like that are how we ended up with independent CRNA and NP practice.

People need to be recognized for the role they play, but also need to understand their place in the hierarchy, lest we lose even more of the practice of medicine to those less qualified.
 
Mad Jack said:
Tactics like that are how we ended up with independent CRNA and NP practice.

People need to be recognized for the role they play, but also need to understand their place in the hierarchy, lest we lose even more of the practice of medicine to those less qualified.
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And then they get cut down to size when they get sued.

Everybody wins.

I smell a god complex with you. Rude awakening: you are not any more or less important than anyone else.

Also, the number one reason why people leave their jobs is because they do not believe they are getting the recognition that they deserve. HR studies have shown this. Money is like the #5 reason.
 
Mad Jack said:
Tactics like that are how we ended up with independent CRNA and NP practice.

People need to be recognized for the role they play, but also need to understand their place in the hierarchy, lest we lose even more of the practice of medicine to those less qualified.
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We ended up with CRNAs and NPs, because there is a legit shortage in some fields. The proliferation of CRNA and NP propaganda is fueled by their greed and the internal human desire to climb to the top and knock off those most powerful.
 
The CRNAs, NPs, and nurses have a more unified and powerful lobby. That's one reason they are getting everything they ask for.
 
kavorca said:
The premeds at Starbucks make sure everyone see their MCAT prep book, and the MS2s smirk over their latte and First Aid book. The cycle of superiority never ends.
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All I have left to do is take my First Aid for Step 3 to Starbucks and I'll have finished the cycle. I can't wait!
 
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