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It's special in that there's no 301. They won't promote you to general or anything.

That sucks. I wasn't hoping to get ranked or anything, but I thought it would have been cool if something else came along with getting a 300, even it if was just a ribbon like the ones you got in science fairs in elementary school. I just looked at the list on a website and it looks a little too easy to score a 300. If I'm reading it right, for a 23 year old, it would be 75 push ups, 80 sit ups, and a 13 min 2 mile run?
 
That sucks. I wasn't hoping to get ranked or anything, but I thought it would have been cool if something else came along with getting a 300, even it if was just a ribbon like the ones you got in science fairs in elementary school. I just looked at the list on a website and it looks a little too easy to score a 300. If I'm reading it right, for a 23 year old, it would be 75 push ups, 80 sit ups, and a 13 min 2 mile run?

Easy for some, pain in the butt for others. This is not an authorative source I'm linking to but it's an interesting read none the less and says you can get an Army Physical Fitness badge for getting > 270.

What type of ribbons can you earn during Army Basic Training?
 
3 thoughts:
1. You used to get a PT patch for your shirt, above 290. May have changed. Probably 230 now or something.
2. 300 is NOT in fact the best you can do. Look to the military-y document for info.
3. Of course it looks easy until someone knows the standard is counting your reps. Those **** pushups I see people "cranking out" in the gym are largely garbage. All I can think is, "Zero. Zero. Zero. All the way up, lock your elbows. BACK OF THE LINE! Next!"

Happy St. Pat's, I'm going drinking.
Slainte....
 
2. 300 is NOT in fact the best you can do. Look to the military-y document for info.

So how do you get more than 300? I don't know where I can find this military-y document. Also, I didn't know you had to lock your arms while doing push-ups. To me, that's a little stupid, locking your arms and going ALL THE WAY up does some damage to your elbows. It's best done if you leave a small amount of space and not extend all the way. But whatever, if they want to extend all the way, it doesn't make the push ups that much harder, just more damaging to the individual.
 
2. 300 is NOT in fact the best you can do. Look to the military-y document for info.
Ugh. I went to the trouble of downloading the FM 21-20 (against better judgment) and found a general "Getting in Shape the ARMY Way" type document last updated 10 years ago (but from my read was written at least 20-30 years back). Nothing specific about the APFT test, which is what I think FutureDDM is looking for.

What's on your mind? You're confusing folks. If you google APFT, the mentions are all of 100 as the top score in each category, including on Army sites. If you have an actual link to the contrary, it'd be interesting to see. Sure goes against what I've heard, but that'd hardly be the first time. And might inspire FutureDDM, since he's apparently set to max out (better man than me).
 
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lso, I didn't know you had to lock your arms while doing push-ups. To me, that's a little stupid, locking your arms and going ALL THE WAY up does some damage to your elbows. It's best done if you leave a small amount of space and not extend all the way. But whatever, if they want to extend all the way, it doesn't make the push ups that much harder, just more damaging to the individual.
Agreed. Doing speed exercises in which you rapidly lock and unlock joints is definitely not healthy.

Incidentally, this is the first time I've heard of Army form requiring you to lock your elbows in the push-up. All I've ever heard before is that your arms must be full extended. It's a small distinction, but an important one. Mr. Freeze is right in that folks get away with lots of cheaters at the gym, but if you do full range push-ups in which your arms are truly fully extended, I doubt you'll have a spotter listening for your joints to lock.
 
I will chime in the PT matter....I've taken countless PT test..

Here is the Army PT chart including minimums and scores: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/afpt.htm

The test will always be pushups-->situps-->run.

You get 2 minutes to do the pushups. If you reach your maximum, you can either keep going or stop. I usually max my pushups and stop, and I still have about 30-40 seconds left. I will explain why I stop in a bit. After the pushups, you will either wait until everyone else is done. If you're the only one you can take about 10 minutes to rest before you have to do situps.

You then get 2 minutes to do as many situps as you can. These are military situps and you must follow the rules. The rules of each event should be read out loud to your before the event.

Once you're done the situps, you go to the where ever the run will take place. This might be a circular track where you have to run a certain amount of laps, or just a 'there and back' (1 mile each way) type of track. In the 'there and back' tracks, you will have someone at the turn-around point (1 mile mark) that will announce your time. You must cross the finish line before the minimum time alloted for your age group.

Some notes:
-You MUST score a minimum of 60 points in each event to get a GO. Scoring 59 points or less in any one event even though you passed the others will give you a NO GO.
-You don't have to go down all the way on pushups. Like I said, there are rules for each event. For pushups, your back must meet or break the horizontal plane made by your arms when you go down for the pushup. I've always found it a lot easier to go as fast as possible from the start and don't stop until you can't do anymore. I always get into a rhythm where I can knock out about 60 pushups and I'll be at about a minute or so. I then have another minute or so to get the other 15 to max my pushups. I use the same mentality for situps.
-To get the PT patch you have to score a minimum of 270 points, AS WELL as a minium of 90 points in each event. So if you get 100 on your pushups and 100 on your situps, but only 80 on your run, even though you have 280 points you don't qualify for the PT patch. When you take the PT test again next year you have to meet the same standard or you have to take the patch off.
-If you score 100+ in each event (more than 300+), you go into the extended PT scale. However, in order to do that you MUST score 100+ in all three events. The reason that I stop once I max my pushups or situps is that I know for a fact that I will not max my run. Ever since basic training I've never maxed my run..I've come close though...but now I hover between 14:30-15:00 for 2 miles. Therefore even if do more than the maximum on my pushups and situps, I'll get 100 in each event. So know your minimum and maximums so you save your energy for the next event and don't do more than you have to (I've been guilty of that).
-PT tests for enlisted soldiers is used for promotion purposes..you actually get more promotion points the better you do on your PT test. For us officer folks, it will make us look better on our OER's (Officer Evaluation Record), which is your yearly personal evaluation conducted by your unit commander or your next-in-line supervisor.

-Finally, when you've crossed the finish line, don't just stand there (or worse yet, lay down)....run back about a 1/4 mile and cheer on those who are still running...or run with them to the finish line while encouraging them..it'll probably speed them up a bit. You will help our your fellow soldiers as well as make yourself look good 🙂
 
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I will chime in the PT matter....I've taken countless PT test..

Here is the Army PT chart including minimums and scores: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/army/a/afpt.htm

The test will always be pushups-->situps-->run.

You get 2 minutes to do the pushups. If you reach your maximum, you can either keep going or stop. I usually max my pushups and stop, and I still have about 30-40 seconds left. I will explain why I stop in a bit. After the pushups, you will either wait until everyone else is done. If you're the only one you can take about 10 minutes to rest before you have to do situps.

You then get 2 minutes to do as many situps as you can. These are military situps and you must follow the rules. The rules of each event should be read out loud to your before the event.

Once you're done the situps, you go to the where ever the run will take place. This might be a circular track where you have to run a certain amount of laps, or just a 'there and back' (1 mile each way) type of track. In the 'there and back' tracks, you will have someone at the turn-around point (1 mile mark) that will announce your time. You must cross the finish line before the minimum time alloted for your age group.

Some notes:
-You MUST score a minimum of 60 points in each event to get a GO. Scoring 59 points or less in any one event even though you passed the others will give you a NO GO.
-You don't have to go down all the way on pushups. Like I said, there are rules for each event. For pushups, your back must meet or break the horizontal plane made by your arms when you go down for the pushup. I've always found it a lot easier to go as fast as possible from the start and don't stop until you can't do anymore. I always get into a rhythm where I can knock out about 60 pushups and I'll be at about a minute or so. I then have another minute or so to get the other 15 to max my pushups. I use the same mentality for situps.
-To get the PT patch you have to score a minimum of 270 points, AS WELL as a minium of 90 points in each event. So if you get 100 on your pushups and 100 on your situps, but only 80 on your run, even though you have 280 points you don't qualify for the PT patch. When you take the PT test again next year you have to meet the same standard or you have to take the patch off.
-If you score 100+ in each event (more than 300+), you go into the extended PT scale. However, in order to do that you MUST score 100+ in each event. The reason that I stop once I max my pushups or situps is that I know for a fact that I will not max my run. Ever since basic training I've never maxed my run..I've come close though...but now I hover between 14:30-15:00 for 2 miles. Therefore even if do more than the maximum on my pushups and situps, I'll get 100 in each event. So know your minimum and maximums so you save your energy for the next event and don't do more than you have to (I've been guilty of that).
-PT tests for enlisted soldiers is used for promotion purposes..you actually get more promotion points the better you do on your PT test. For us officer folks, it will make us look better on our OER's (Officer Evaluation Record), which is your yearly personal evaluation conducted by your unit commander or your next-in-line supervisor.

-Finally, when you've crossed the finish line, don't just stand there (or worse yet, lay down)....run back about a 1/4 mile and cheer on those who are still running...or run with them to the finish line while encouraging them..it'll probably speed them up a bit. You will help our your fellow soldiers as well as make yourself look good 🙂
Thanks a lot for the info. Thanks kinda cool how you can score higher than a 300. After seeing how the standards were for getting a 300, I started to slack off. But now I'm excited to see how high I can actually get my scores. Not only that, but its cool that it also goes towards promotion points and that it'll be listed in our OER's. Does that mean there is no max?

On a side note, what are the rules for the sit ups?
 
anyone know about how many spots may still be open for possible july 1 dates? heard from one recruiter that they might not have spots for that date, and they may be in holding pattern till the next fiscal year, assuming the program is continued...
 
I can't top Koojo's info. Pretty good stuff. You can go past 300, but only if you max everything like he said. It's in Chapter 14, FM 21-20.

I used locked and fully-extended interchangeably. I'm one of those normal people whose elbows don't go past 180 degrees. And no, you don't have to go all the way down, but picture somethign flat laying across your shoulder blades; when it touches your back AND your elbows, you can come up, i.e. upper arm parallel to ground.

futureDDM said:
just more damaging to the individual
But seriously, even if it was in fact "locked" as you described above, in all its joint-pathology-inducing glory, you're fooling yourself if you think Uncle Sam cares. There are no individuals in the military... 😀 or at least you sure as **** don't want to be called one....
 
Can you go active after you graduate?
 
So I was talking to a CPT today who graduated from WVSOM last year and is currently doing his residency..and he said he'll be deploying to Iraq for three months in September. I didn't have time to ask him whether this was voluntary or a requirement, but something to keep in mind..
 
anyone know about how many spots may still be open for possible july 1 dates? heard from one recruiter that they might not have spots for that date, and they may be in holding pattern till the next fiscal year, assuming the program is continued...
Someone posted earlier that there were just over two dozen spots left for 1 JUL by the time 1 APR ended. Have you gone through your boards? When are you scheduled?
 
So I was talking to a CPT today who graduated from WVSOM last year and is currently doing his residency..and he said he'll be deploying to Iraq for three months in September. I didn't have time to ask him whether this was voluntary or a requirement, but something to keep in mind..
Are you certain he is in the ASR program? And can you find out if he volunteered or not? Is he WV National Guard? We might be able to dig up the info on him if we know what state he's in.

It'd be great getting confirmation. Telling people that the Guard hasn't pulled anyone out of residency is a good thing. Telling them that it rarely happens will not help with recruiting efforts.

Also, if folks get pulled from ASR during residency, this is really going to be a bad thing when folks start applying for residency. I sure wouldn't want someone who could be pulled out of my residency program.
 
Are you certain he is in the ASR program? And can you find out if he volunteered or not? Is he WV National Guard? We might be able to dig up the info on him if we know what state he's in.

It'd be great getting confirmation. Telling people that the Guard hasn't pulled anyone out of residency is a good thing. Telling them that it rarely happens will not help with recruiting efforts.

Also, if folks get pulled from ASR during residency, this is really going to be a bad thing when folks start applying for residency. I sure wouldn't want someone who could be pulled out of my residency program.

I don't know if he was on ASR or not, but it shouldn't matter because ASR is only during school. He is currently in the WV guard. He's in residency, and I'm not certain if he's taken MDSSP or STRAP (which makes you non deployable during residency). I will try to find out though.
 
I don't know if he was on ASR or not, but it shouldn't matter because ASR is only during school.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The reason I ask about ASR is that if he's in ASR, we know he's considered a RC AMEDD Officer, which theoretically are exempt from deployment as per the "Exemption Policy from Involuntary Mobilization for Reserve Component (RC) Army Medical Department (AMEDD) Officers Participating in Health Professional Programs" memo. If he is in a regular National Guard program (say as a military intel officer) and just happened to be going to residency, he wouldn't have this protection.

Make more sense? I'm trying to get a handle if that mobilization exemption is no longer real.

Let us know what you hear. I'm hoping he's either non-AMEDD Guard or he volunteered. If he was pulled from residency in MDSSP/STRAP/ASR, this is not going to help with recruiting...
 
Given the timeline of ASR, he couldn't have been in the program.
 
Can you sign up for amedd program if you are currently under a regular enlisted 6yr national guard contract? That is to switch that into amedd once you got into med school?
 
Question for fellow ASR folks:

I contacted my state NG to ask if I could fill out the paperwork to contribute towards the GI Bill and was told that they didn't "think" I could contribute, as Direct Commissions are ineligible.

Has anyone had money taken out for the GI Bill? If you're prior service, please ignore. I'm specifically looking for examples of non-prior service folks whose first contact with the military was their direct commission to 2LT via ASR so that I can compare apples to apples when I try to escalate this with the Guard.

I'm hoping to contribute to the old GI Bill as I'm told (by the VA) that Title 32 for two years (my situation) would make me eligible for the old MGIB-AD, which I know can be applied during residency. The new GI Bill should, but since I haven't talked to folks who've specifically done that, I'd rather kick in towards the old GI Bill as an investment.

Any comments, thoughts are appreciated...
 
I just found this - and am very interested in the ASR program. Have an acceptance to DO school, and have some specific (to me) questions. Who is the best person here to PM?
 
I just found this - and am very interested in the ASR program. Have an acceptance to DO school, and have some specific (to me) questions. Who is the best person here to PM?

Which state is your school in?
 
Does any current ASR folks have a copy of the March USAREC board??

I should have heard something by now and the waiting is giving me the adjida..........(sp?)
 
Does any current ASR folks have a copy of the March USAREC board??

I should have heard something by now and the waiting is giving me the adjida..........(sp?)

ahhhh hello. Anyone?
 
Has anyone had money taken out for the GI Bill? If you're prior service, please ignore. I'm specifically looking for examples of non-prior service folks whose first contact with the military was their direct commission to 2LT via ASR so that I can compare apples to apples when I try to escalate this with the Guard.
Just as an update, I am now told I can contribute to the GI Bill, but not for 2 years. After I've served my ADSW for two years, I can make a lump payment into it and immediately draw off of it.

Just closing the loop for anyone interested. I was surprised I can't pay into the GI Bill now...
 
Just as an update, I am now told I can contribute to the GI Bill, but not for 2 years. After I've served my ADSW for two years, I can make a lump payment into it and immediately draw off of it.

Just closing the loop for anyone interested. I was surprised I can't pay into the GI Bill now...

Do you know if there is a regulation for this?
 
Do you know if there is a regulation for this?

All I can contribute is that I was told repeatedly by a couple different people that I'm not eligible for any VA benefits until after I've been to OBLC.
 
Do you know if there is a regulation for this?
Here's what I've been told by National Guard Education Support Center:

Because my ASR orders read that my Title 32 ADSW assignment has an "indefinite" end date, I can't contribute to the MGIB-Active Duty until I've served two years.
 
Here's what I've been told by National Guard Education Support Center:

Because my ASR orders read that my Title 32 ADSW assignment has an "indefinite" end date, I can't contribute to the MGIB-Active Duty until I've served two years.

Ahh, I see..interesting. Usually ADSW/ADOS orders are given from October 1st - September 30 if you're on for the full year. You should get new orders every year...but maybe they did something weird, I'm not sure.
 
Hey guys, I'm in the processing of getting my security clearance now but I had a few questions and i was wondering if anyone knew the answer to cause my recruiter isn't too sure about them.

Am i counted towards OE-1 for my first year in ASR if I was a Military Academy Cadet for 2 years?
Will my prior service at West Point count towards my 8 year MOS?
When is the Next ASR board after May? Cause I'm a first year and I hear you can get active pay only when you're a student. I hope the next jump after May isn't October, cause then I'd be missing out on alot of paychecks.🙁

Thanks!
 
When is the Next ASR board after May? Cause I'm a first year and I hear you can get active pay only when you're a student. I hope the next jump after May isn't October, cause then I'd be missing out on alot of paychecks.🙁
The board's are monthly. The next ASR start is July, but if you haven't started paperwork yet, you're shooting for an October start, which would require all paperwork and board approvals to be finished by September 1st. After the April start, someone mentioned on here that there were about 25-30 seats remaining for the July start and I think those will get snatched up by those already pretty far in the application process.

Keep in mind that although some folks get things done in record time, most prior service applicants have found that getting government records can take quite a while. If you're applying, I'd get moving now to make the October start. If you change your mind about the program, you can always stop the application process later.
 
Ahh, I see..interesting. Usually ADSW/ADOS orders are given from October 1st - September 30 if you're on for the full year. You should get new orders every year...but maybe they did something weird, I'm not sure.
Yeah, she seemed surprised my ADSW orders didn't have an end date.

On the plus side, maybe this means I can just stay on ADSW through residency until someone tells me otherwise! Score!
 
Got the USAREC board results today. I was selected and now am eligible for commissioning. I think I go down on 4/23 for the review board and swearing in. Whew. Really excited. Special thanks to Amindwalker, notdeadyet and koojo for all the info.

I will post how many spots still open when I find out. My recruiter is in a class all this week and can't talk to her until the evening. But, she emailed me the board results so I could relax a little.

Thanks again.
 
Got the USAREC board results today. I was selected and now am eligible for commissioning. I think I go down on 4/23 for the review board and swearing in. Whew. Really excited. Special thanks to Amindwalker, notdeadyet and koojo for all the info.

I will post how many spots still open when I find out. My recruiter is in a class all this week and can't talk to her until the evening. But, she emailed me the board results so I could relax a little.

Thanks again.

:highfive::highfive::soexcited::soexcited: :claps: :claps::banana::banana::welcome:

CONGRATS!
 
Got the USAREC board results today. I was selected and now am eligible for commissioning. I think I go down on 4/23 for the review board and swearing in. Whew. Really excited.
Congrats on the USAREC boards, punkiedad. Make sure you stay on your recruiter until you literally have a copy of your control number. How they're going to allocate the 25-30 slots left for the JUL pay start is based on when the control number request was submitted/approved. I think you have a great shot.

Congratulations. Keep us posted...
 
When does health insurance through the army become available under ASR and how does that process work? In other words, do you have to apply for it and wait a while or is it automatic once you swear in? Any information would be helpful, thanks.
 
When does health insurance through the army become available under ASR and how does that process work? In other words, do you have to apply for it and wait a while or is it automatic once you swear in? Any information would be helpful, thanks.
You fill out the DEERS paperwork when you get commissioned. It becomes effective with the start date of your ASR orders.

In other words, if you swear in in April, but don't start ASR until July, on July 1st, you are eligible for Tricare (the military healthcare program). You can continue to use Tricare until your ASR program ends (when you graduate from medical school). You can then enroll in a form of Tricare that you need to pay a monthly premium for. No more free healthcare.
 
You fill out the DEERS paperwork when you get commissioned. It becomes effective with the start date of your ASR orders.

In other words, if you swear in in April, but don't start ASR until July, on July 1st, you are eligible for Tricare (the military healthcare program). You can continue to use Tricare until your ASR program ends (when you graduate from medical school). You can then enroll in a form of Tricare that you need to pay a monthly premium for. No more free healthcare.

Thanks for the info. That is exactly what I needed to know. That seems to be the scenario i'm in at the moment. Thanks.
 
congrats punkiedad!

I just finished my MEPS today and qualified without waivers, so hopefully I'm somewhat far along in the application process - April boards seem a little bit too optimistic, but hopefully I'll make the May ones.

I'm starting M1 in the fall, and was wondering if anyone knew whether I'd be able to take the OBC this summer (maybe the June 23 - July 19 one) before M1 so I wouldn't have to worry about it later. Anyone schedule their OBC yet and how it works? Would I have to actually be paid and commissioned before I do it?
 
I'm starting M1 in the fall, and was wondering if anyone knew whether I'd be able to take the OBC this summer (maybe the June 23 - July 19 one) before M1 so I wouldn't have to worry about it later. Anyone schedule their OBC yet and how it works? Would I have to actually be paid and commissioned before I do it?
Ask your recruiter. He or she should be able to do a quick look-up to tell you exactly how many seats are left, if any. I doubt they'd be able to put you in for a slot before you swear in, but at least you should know if this summer is a possibility or not.
 
Am i counted towards OE-1 for my first year in ASR if I was a Military Academy Cadet for 2 years?
Will my prior service at West Point count towards my 8 year MOS?

You will not be eligible for O-1E. To be eligible for O-1E, you must have served 4 years active duty as an enlisted member.

Your time at West Point will not count towards your 8 year MOS. I know that if you spend more than 2 years at West Point then drop out, are required to serve your contract as an enlisted member or reimburse the government for your education. If you leave before 2 years, your obligation is terminated. Either way, you were not a commissioned officer, so if you accept a commission for the ASR, you will incur the full 8 year MOS.
 
Congrats punkiedad on the boards. I made this USAREC boards during this past round also. My recruiter is working on getting my ASR control number right now. I should swear in sometime this next month.

I have a question also. Is anyone out there already accepted into the ASR program who is going to be a MS1 in the fall? I'm wondering if I will be able to start ASR in July eventhough I won't technically be a medical student til August.

I would also like to go to OBLC this summer. There was a link to a website earlier in the forum for OBLC. The site still shows some spots, but my recruiter said she was doubtful.
 
I would also like to go to OBLC this summer. There was a link to a website earlier in the forum for OBLC. The site still shows some spots, but my recruiter said she was doubtful.
Can you repost that link so folks don't have to hunt through OBLC? Sounds like there are a few people who would like to see it.

I'd be doubtful about space available too. Figure May-September as being prime season for OBLC. Getting a set with only a couple of months notice might be a problem.
 
Can you repost that link so folks don't have to hunt through OBLC? Sounds like there are a few people who would like to see it.

I'd be doubtful about space available too. Figure May-September as being prime season for OBLC. Getting a set with only a couple of months notice might be a problem.

To find dates for OBLC search on ATRRS
https://atrrs.army.mil/atrrscc/
The course # is 6-8-C20(RC).

Am I interpreting this correctly? Is the number under "Capacity" the number of seats they have left?
 
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