Army National Guard's new Med student program details.

[punkiedad]

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CONGRATS!

Thanks...........have been waiting a long time for those.

 

[punkiedad]

Congrats on the USAREC boards, punkiedad. Make sure you stay on your recruiter until you literally have a copy of your control number. How they're going to allocate the 25-30 slots left for the JUL pay start is based on when the control number request was submitted/approved. I think you have a great shot.

Congratulations. Keep us posted...

Good call........I will get on it ASAP.

 

[tele turnin]

so my brother in law is in the NG and i was telling him how this is something i want to do. he kept asking if i would get the 20k bonus. i said i highly doubt it. does anybody know for sure on that one?

 

[ohio23]

so my brother in law is in the NG and i was telling him how this is something i want to do. he kept asking if i would get the 20k bonus. i said i highly doubt it. does anybody know for sure on that one?

You get around a 200k bonus, paid in equal bi-monthly sums for 3 years...

Just kidding. I doubt you get a 20k bonus, but I have no proof.

 

[notdeadyet]

so my brother in law is in the NG and i was telling him how this is something i want to do. he kept asking if i would get the 20k bonus. i said i highly doubt it. does anybody know for sure on that one?

You don't get that bonus going in to ASR as an officer. Folks who get that bonus earn it on the basis of the fact that they can get deployed at any time, unlike we fortunate types who are kept in med school and residency for many years before really earning our pay.

 

[ohio23]

Just an update from my recruiter, CPT Elliott: There are 15-20 spots left for July start. None of the 200 spots for October will be available early, and those might even be cut by 10-20%. He mentioned the very real possibility of starting a wait list.

I'm still hoping to make the cut for July! My packet should be pushed to NGB and then on to USAREC next week!

 

[tech2doc]

(formerly Matkins205)
Just talked to my recruiter. I passed the USAREC last week, and she received my ASR control number yesterday. I should swear in April 23!!!

In reference to my last question, does anyone know if I will be able to start July 1 even though I won't start MS1 classes til August?

 

[tech2doc]

Just an update from my recruiter, CPT Elliott: There are 15-20 spots left for July start. None of the 200 spots for October will be available early, and those might even be cut by 10-20%. He mentioned the very real possibility of starting a wait list.

I was told that after last week's board, there are only 4-5 spots left for July start. Also, I was told that the waiting list is a for sure thing. Once you board, you will be put on a waiting list for the next available spot.

 

[punkiedad]

I was told that after last week's board, there are only 4-5 spots left for July start. Also, I was told that the waiting list is a for sure thing. Once you board, you will be put on a waiting list for the next available spot.

I looked at the report from USAREC and it looks like there are six people on it that were ASR, though I am just guessing. Don't know what all the acronyms are, I just am looking at the ones that are similar to mine.

Just hear from my recruiter "I went on GKO and counted 160 are enrolled this FY. That leaves 40 positions. We received a control number for you so you should be good to go."

So I thought a control number meant I was locked in, but it still sounds like there are neough spots for the people that went through March USAREC.

 

[punkiedad]

(formerly Matkins205)
Just talked to my recruiter. I passed the USAREC last week, and she received my ASR control number yesterday. I should swear in April 23!!!

In reference to my last question, does anyone know if I will be able to start July 1 even though I won't start MS1 classes til August?

I am in the same boat. I thought I heard on here we could start 7/1, but am not positive.

 

[notdeadyet]

Just an update from my recruiter, CPT Elliott: There are 15-20 spots left for July start.

I was told that after last week's board, there are only 4-5 spots left for July start. Also, I was told that the waiting list is a for sure thing. Once you board, you will be put on a waiting list for the next available spot.

Just hear from my recruiter "I went on GKO and counted 160 are enrolled this FY. That leaves 40 positions. We received a control number for you so you should be good to go."

Typically, we get a lot of different numbers depending on who you talk to.

Several folks have heard the number of about 25-30 slots left after the 1 APR slot, independently from different people. That was after the 1 MAR deadline, so it shouldn't be a moving target.

ohio's recruiter may be looking at the number post-March board, so he might be seeing the slots available for April and May boards (deadline for the 1 JUL start is June 1st).

tech2doc's number sounds frighteningly low but possible.

punkiedad- I don't know where the 40 spots are coming from, but that was more than the number I heard tossed after the 1 APR start deadline passed (not including the March boarders). If that figure is right (and it might be), lots of folks have posted bad info. Not impossible.

 

[notdeadyet]

I looked at the report from USAREC and it looks like there are six people on it that were ASR, though I am just guessing. Don't know what all the acronyms

Here's how to read it:

Look at the list and count the number of names that have DC or MC under Corps, E67 under OC, and ARNGEP under Incentives. That's how many ASR folks were boarded. Make sense? You should be able to come up with a firm count that way.

So I thought a control number meant I was locked in, but it still sounds like there are neough spots for the people that went through March USAREC.

No. After you finish paperwork and are sworn in, they submit for a control number. Once you have a control number, you are requesting to start full-time pay via ASR at the next start (1 JUL, touch wood).

The way they are doing this is that your control number date establishes your priority. If there aren't enough seats left for the 1 JUL start, it will be first come first serve. Anyone who doesn't get in for 1 JUL will be in line for 1 OCT. Make sense?

 

[punkiedad]

Here's how to read it:

Look at the list and count the number of names that have DC or MC under Corps, E67 under OC, and ARNGEP under Incentives. That's how many ASR folks were boarded. Make sense? You should be able to come up with a firm count that way.

No. After you finish paperwork and are sworn in, they submit for a control number. Once you have a control number, you are requesting to start full-time pay via ASR at the next start (1 JUL, touch wood).

The way they are doing this is that your control number date establishes your priority. If there aren't enough seats left for the 1 JUL start, it will be first come first serve. Anyone who doesn't get in for 1 JUL will be in line for 1 OCT. Make sense?

Thanks for the info.......I count 9 of the ARNGEP under incentives column, but also 3 that have ARNG DEN STU PROGRAM. I was thinking these were ASR but for dentists?? Either way, it looks like 9 or 12 total.

as far as the control number though, my recruiter said she received it. I guess I am a little slow given it is a Friday, but I am not following you. Are you saying you should not get the controld nunmber until after you swear in?

EDIT: BTW, under the incentive column on my line it states MDSSP not ARNEGP ? Anyone know what this means??

 

[AlphaPower]

If ASR says I should get $1000 for housing because of where my school is, but I find a place to stay for $300, does that mean I get to pocket the rest, $700?

 

[del Sol DOHC]

If ASR says I should get $1000 for housing because of where my school is, but I find a place to stay for $300, does that mean I get to pocket the rest, $700?

Yes. Awesome, huh?

 

[amindwalker]

punkiedad: You should be set 👍. I have one big, frakking footlocker full of smilies reserved for your Ltday! We'll celebrate at Chuck E Cheese (For the non-geezers present, sometimes that's how we roll in the paterfamilias club).

AlphaPower: Yup, cash in your pocket (tax free).

 

[notdeadyet]

Thanks for the info.......I count 9 of the ARNGEP under incentives column, but also 3 that have ARNG DEN STU PROGRAM. I was thinking these were ASR but for dentists?? Either way, it looks like 9 or 12 total.

That'd be 12. Dentists are eligible for ASR, as are PA students.

Are you saying you should not get the controld nunmber until after you swear in?

My recruiter didn't, but your mileage may vary. You should like you're in good shape.

EDIT: BTW, under the incentive column on my line it states MDSSP not ARNEGP ? Anyone know what this means??

I'm sure it's nothing, but I'd tell your recruiter this. MDSSP is the Medical/Dental Student Stipend Program. It was the National Guard option for medical students pre-ASR. You get $1,900/month and owe the Guard 2 years for every one year you take it.

I'm sure they have you on ASR, especially as you have a control number, but I'd give your recruiter a heads up just to make sure everything is tied up with a bow.

 

[notdeadyet]

If ASR says I should get $1000 for housing because of where my school is, but I find a place to stay for $300, does that mean I get to pocket the rest, $700?

Yep. The only caveat is that you have to show a copy of your lease or mortgage. You are eligible for the full BAH (housing allowance) regardless of how much you pay, but you have to have proof that you're paying something. If you live rent free with mom and dad, you don't get that nice full BAH.

 

[punkiedad]

That'd be 12. Dentists are eligible for ASR, as are PA students.

My recruiter didn't, but your mileage may vary. You should like you're in good shape.

I'm sure it's nothing, but I'd tell your recruiter this. MDSSP is the Medical/Dental Student Stipend Program. It was the National Guard option for medical students pre-ASR. You get $1,900/month and owe the Guard 2 years for every one year you take it.

I'm sure they have you on ASR, especially as you have a control number, but I'd give your recruiter a heads up just to make sure everything is tied up with a bow.

Thanks for all the replies. I think I understand now, but it seems every time I think I understand things, the more I realize I don't.

I talked to my recruiter and she said in her area they put people down for MDSSP and ASR in case you want to do MDSSP later? In any event, she sent me a copy of the actual memo showing my control number and my name with the 2LT in front of it, so I guess I am OK.

If the devil is in the details, I must have that little devil on my shoulder from Animal House talking to me........I guess I better get used to not being able to understand everything, or I could drive myself crazy.

In any event, everyone here has been great. Thanks again.

 

[tech2doc]

I also wanted to thank everyone on this board for all the information. Although, I haven't been a frequent poster, I've been following this board everyday for several months.

I have my ASR control number now so hopefully by this time next month, I'll be able to start contributing as an insider!

 

[del Sol DOHC]

Yep. The only caveat is that you have to show a copy of your lease or mortgage. You are eligible for the full BAH (housing allowance) regardless of how much you pay, but you have to have proof that you're paying something. If you live rent free with mom and dad, you don't get that nice full BAH.

When I was active duty, I NEVER had to show proof of a lease or mortgage...

 

[notdeadyet]

When I was active duty, I NEVER had to show proof of a lease or mortgage...

I did for ASR. It was a listed requirement in the paperwork packet. Also needed marriage license, birth cert, etc. All but a pint of blood.

No biggie. This won't affect anyone unless they're living with Mom and Dad. And if you're an officer in the Army National Guard and a medical student, it's time to cut the cord.

 

[del Sol DOHC]

And if you're an officer in the Army National Guard and a medical student, it's time to cut the cord.

"Sir, I can't come with the unit on this deployment... My mom didn't sign the permission slip."

 

[punkiedad]

I did for ASR. It was a listed requirement in the paperwork packet. Also needed marriage license, birth cert, etc. All but a pint of blood.

No biggie. This won't affect anyone unless they're living with Mom and Dad. And if you're an officer in the Army National Guard and a medical student, it's time to cut the cord.

You know the reason that lingo is in there is because someone tried that sort of thing somewhere. Maybe not in ASR, but somewhere along the line some divorced guy living in moms basement got pinched by listing himself as still married, etc.....If they could only put that brain power for good instead of evil..........

 

[rookem11]

Question for everyone: My father (Navy Reservist) seems convinced because we are full-time that we are not obligated to drill. Is there any truth to this? I've been under the impression that we are still obligated to drill even though we aren't technically paid for the drills. Can anyone shed any light on this? I don't remember if the ASR paperwork said drill weekends were part of our work load. Thanks.

 

[rookem11]

Oh and also, I know the GI bill has been discussed on here (whether or not we qualify). It shows on 1800goguard.com's description of ASR

"The Montgomery G.I. Bill, which pays up to $11,124 for college or other approved technical training State/Territory Educational benefits (vary by state/territory"

So looks like we do.....but I guess until someone gets it I won't count on it.

 

[notdeadyet]

My father (Navy Reservist) seems convinced because we are full-time that we are not obligated to drill. Is there any truth to this? I've been under the impression that we are still obligated to drill even though we aren't technically paid for the drills. Can anyone shed any light on this?

It might vary by state, but in mine, we are obligated to drill. I get the impression that I can miss one or two if my schedule doesn't allow for it (clerkships), but in general I'm expected to drill.

You don't get paid extra for drilling, it's part of the full-time O1 pay you receive. When you are in residency and drilling (and no longer getting O1 pay), you will get drill pay.

 

[notdeadyet]

It shows on 1800goguard.com's description of ASR

"The Montgomery G.I. Bill, which pays up to $11,124 for college or other approved technical training State/Territory Educational benefits (vary by state/territory"

Link please?

Also, I think that this is the version for National Guardsmen and reservists. The part that we're unsure on is if we qualify for the MGIB-Active Duty due to our active duty component.

 

[rookem11]

http://www.1800goguard.com/explore/medical/asrinfo.php

 

[notdeadyet]

Thanks for the link. They'd taken the ASR page down from the website a while back, so it's comforting to see that it's back up.

I just checked over my paperwork from the Department of Army regarding the ASR program. Section 6.d.8 (covering duties of the ASR participant) says:

"Participate in all ARNG unit level training and drill exercises IAW with the approved Flexible Training Policy dated 1 September 2006."

So apparently it's national. Yes, you're expected to drill, but it looks like they're pushing Flexi-Training, which is drilling as little as every three months if need be.

I'd be curious to see how often some of the other folks drill. EMH, amindwalker, anyone else care to weigh in?

 

[rookem11]

Ive been in since Sept and drilled all but 2 months (so 5/7). My school has exams just about every Monday so not being able to study the weekend before an exam is really problematic. So far they have been really good about letting us miss when we have a good reason.

And thanks for the info from the ASR paperwork, I had it but my hard drive crashed so no longer have a copy.

 

[EMH]

Yep. The only caveat is that you have to show a copy of your lease or mortgage. You are eligible for the full BAH (housing allowance) regardless of how much you pay, but you have to have proof that you're paying something. If you live rent free with mom and dad, you don't get that nice full BAH.

This has not been my experience. I just get BAS & BAH on my check and have never had to show anything about where I live.

 

[EMH]

I'd be curious to see how often some of the other folks drill. EMH, amindwalker, anyone else care to weigh in?

I drill with a med detachment and my Commanding Officer is a dentist. He has been extremely considerate of my requests to miss drill. That being said I have always taken the approach that I am expected to attend drill unless I have prior approval to miss. I also make it a point to show that I understand I have a responsibility to attend and I think that helps.

 

[notdeadyet]

This has not been my experience. I just get BAS & BAH on my check and have never had to show anything about where I live.

From conversations I've had with others, the California National Guard sometimes seems to be a bit more "by the book" than other areas.

Anyway, again, it's a non-issue unless you're living at home. And even if you are, it looks like you might be fine in some states.

 

[iatrosB]

This has not been my experience. I just get BAS & BAH on my check and have never had to show anything about where I live.

Me neither.

 

[iatrosB]

I'd be curious to see how often some of the other folks drill. EMH, amindwalker, anyone else care to weigh in?

About twice a year.

 

[notdeadyet]

About twice a year.

I'm really hoping that this is a reflection of the fact that you're doing clerkships. I'm really wondering how I'm going to swing taking a full weekend off during surgery and medicine months. My CO is not a physician, so I'm wondering how much understanding there will be that my schedule is not mine to dictate right now...

 

[iatrosB]

I'm really hoping that this is a reflection of the fact that you're doing clerkships. I'm really wondering how I'm going to swing taking a full weekend off during surgery and medicine months. My CO is not a physician, so I'm wondering how much understanding there will be that my schedule is not mine to dictate right now...

Pretty much my entire chain of command, including my CO, are physicians or dentists. And your 4th year is not just clerkships, but interviews, sub-I's, couple board exams. It gets pretty busy...but still the best year ever.

 

[notdeadyet]

Pretty much my entire chain of command, including my CO, are physicians or dentists.

Your CO is technically the recruiter you're assisting, no? I thought everyone was assigned the recruiter as the CO and also assigned to a med unit to drill.

I've yet to meet a doctor in our Guard. Only recruiters and medical service folks.

And your 4th year is not just clerkships, but interviews, sub-I's, couple board exams. It gets pretty busy...but still the best year ever.

I'm taking my step I in 3 weeks and starting my 3rd year May 1st. 4th year sounds like a lovely dream at this point...

 

[iatrosB]

Your CO is technically the recruiter you're assisting, no? I thought everyone was assigned the recruiter as the CO and also assigned to a med unit to drill.

I've yet to meet a doctor in our Guard. Only recruiters and medical service folks.

I'm taking my step I in 3 weeks and starting my 3rd year May 1st. 4th year sounds like a lovely dream at this point...

Technically.

I drill at the medical headquarters for the entire state, which is probably why there are so many docs around.

 

[punkiedad]

Oh and also, I know the GI bill has been discussed on here (whether or not we qualify). It shows on 1800goguard.com's description of ASR

"The Montgomery G.I. Bill, which pays up to $11,124 for college or other approved technical training State/Territory Educational benefits (vary by state/territory"

So looks like we do.....but I guess until someone gets it I won't count on it.

Thanks for the link rookem. hey is this MGIB $11,124 total or yearly? Also is the federal tuition assistance the $4500 yearly amindwalker had spoekn of?

Seem slike there are a lot of benefits, but is otught to keep them all straight.

 

[EMH]

Your CO is technically the recruiter you're assisting, no? I thought everyone was assigned the recruiter as the CO and also assigned to a med unit to drill.

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I don't believe so. I'm attached to Joint force head quarters in a slot which makes me non-deployable. This is not the same unit as recruiting. Then I am assigned to medical detachment. I drill with this unit and the CO of this unit is my CO. My only relationship to recruiting is that which is outlined in my ASR contract. As I understand it I need to assist them enough to keep them happy so they don't write a negative letter to NGB requesting that I don't receive a renewed year of ASR next year.

 

[koojo]

Wow I leave for a couple of days and had to do a lot of catching up on this thread!

I don't believe so. I'm attached to Joint force head quarters in a slot which makes me non-deployable. This is not the same unit as recruiting. Then I am assigned to medical detachment. I drill with this unit and the CO of this unit is my CO. My only relationship to recruiting is that which is outlined in my ASR contract. As I understand it I need to assist them enough to keep them happy so they don't write a negative letter to NGB requesting that I don't receive a renewed year of ASR next year.

Ya I'll be attached to JFHQ as well, and I was told that I won't be drilling while on ASR...and that I'll have to have lunch with the guy in-charge once a month to discuss any leads. Works for me..

 

[notdeadyet]

Wow, some of you guys got off light. I'm impressed/jealous...

 

[Kingston]

Is it possible to go from navy reservist (with two years left) to ASR? I can't find any info on this.

 

[EMH]

Is it possible to go from navy reservist (with two years left) to ASR? I can't find any info on this.

I believe it depends on what your remaining obligation is to the Navy. If all you have left is your MSO then yes, it can transfer. If you still owe drilling status then I don't think so.

 

[ohio23]

I believe it depends on what your remaining obligation is to the Navy. If all you have left is your MSO then yes, it can transfer. If you still owe drilling status then I don't think so.

I still had a year of drill status left on my contract but had finished my MSO. I got out just fine.

All you need is a conditional release, DD form 368, signed by your CO. If he won't sign it, you can't go.

Most places are pretty good about letting people move on and move up. We're all serving the same country right? The color of your jacket really matters very little in the grand scheme of things.

 

[mattman84]

I just learned about this program a short time ago. I am trying to locate a recruiter in Ohio that can give me more information on this program; can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[punkiedad]

I just learned about this program a short time ago. I am trying to locate a recruiter in Ohio that can give me more information on this program; can anyone point me in the right direction?

try pm ing 'tech2doc' I think he might be from Ohio

 

[ohio23]

I just learned about this program a short time ago. I am trying to locate a recruiter in Ohio that can give me more information on this program; can anyone point me in the right direction?

I PMed you CPT McGinniss' contact info! He helped me coordinate my physical in Ohio. Best of luck.