Army National Guard's new Med student program details.

[COMBAT MEDIC172]

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DoctaJMa,
I had the same question and it was answered by Koojo. It appears that you would be able to as long as you are able to receive a commissioning and are accepted to medical school.

 

[koojo]

I am eligible for commisioning, I was accepted into the ROTC program through the Green to Gold program for active duty soldiers to finish their college degree. I get a honarable discharge and then I will owe the National Guard 8 years, however I am going to apply to medical school the following year.

So when will you be done with the ROTC program and be commissioned? If you're already commissioned prior to getting accepted into med school it will probably be a lot easier for you since you don't have to do the crazy commissioning packet...you will just apply for the ASR program. You should probably contact a local AMEDD recruiter and explain your situation.

 

[COMBAT MEDIC172]

I am being released in July to start in the fall. I am transferring as a jr, so it will be two years before I am commissioned. I will graduate in spring 2011 and start medical school in the fall. How long have you been out?

 

[koojo]

I am being released in July to start in the fall. I am transferring as a jr, so it will be two years before I am commissioned. I will graduate in spring 2011 and start medical school in the fall. How long have you been out?

I joined the army guard in 2002 and have been in ever since. Graduated from school in december of 2007 and started applying to med schools in 2008.

 

[FlaMedic]

In regards to ARNG MDSSP are you on drilling status while you are in school, or just collecting the money?

Would you have the option to be on drill status all through school?

If you are, it seems to me that you would begin repayment during school and be able to finish at the same time as residency is through?

If your not on drilling status and "in the Guard", then why the need for the FLEX policies, nececitating the flexibility for med students.....

 

[notdeadyet]

In regards to ARNG MDSSP are you on drilling status while you are in school, or just collecting the money?

You are on drilling status while in school. You are eligible for Flexi-Training.

If you are, it seems to me that you would begin repayment during school and be able to finish at the same time as residency is through?

Here's the formal language:

"The MDSSP obligors incur an obligation of 1 year for every 6 months (or part thereof) for which they receive the stipend. This obligation period will be satisfied immediately following Medical/Dental School completion, unless the individual elects to enter into the STRAP for residency in an eligible specialty. In that event, the original MDSSP contract will be amended to defer the obligation until residency is complete."

So if you take it MDSSP for four years, you'll be in the clear 8 years after graduating.

 

[DoctaJMa]

Wait so the payback doesnt start until after graduation from med school? Im so confused by the last sentence notdeadyet. "So if you take it MDSSP for four years, you'll be in the clear 8 years after graduating." So it doesnt count while ur in med school?

 

[notdeadyet]

Wait so the payback doesnt start until after graduation from med school? Im so confused by the last sentence notdeadyet. "So if you take it MDSSP for four years, you'll be in the clear 8 years after graduating." So it doesnt count while ur in med school?

Correct. You incur an obligatoin of 2:1 (two years payback for every one year of payment) and you begin payback after you graduate from medical school.

This is typical of almost all military programs. You don't begin paying back the obligation for payment until you're no longer recieving payment. ASR is a little unusual, because we are considered working for the National Guard during our ASR years, in addition to drilling.

 

[FlaMedic]

You are on drilling status while in school. You are eligible for Flexi-Training.

Here's the formal language:

"The MDSSP obligors incur an obligation of 1 year for every 6 months (or part thereof) for which they receive the stipend. This obligation period will be satisfied immediately following Medical/Dental School completion, unless the individual elects to enter into the STRAP for residency in an eligible specialty. In that event, the original MDSSP contract will be amended to defer the obligation until residency is complete."

So if you take it MDSSP for four years, you'll be in the clear 8 years after graduating.

So what is your status while you are in school? Are you sworn into the Guard or not? Seems that if you are, and expected to drill when you can....then you are actually giving the Guard 12 years instead of 8 since your 8 year repayment doesn't start until after med school....which begs the question, why the FLEX policy? If your not technically in the Guard, not drilling and so forth, why the need for a policy saying that they need to be flexible with your drilling time?

Makes no sense.

 

[notdeadyet]

So what is your status while you are in school? Are you sworn into the Guard or not?

Yes, you're sworn in to the Guard and are drilling status (possibly via Flexi-Training) for the years you're on the stipend.

Seems that if you are, and expected to drill when you can....then you are actually giving the Guard 12 years instead of 8 since your 8 year repayment doesn't start until after med school....

You owe 2:1. Repayment begins after medical school. You drill in medical school.

You can look at it as giving the Guard 12 years, if you'd like. Just like HPSP, I guess. People talk about owing the military 4 years via HPSP. But in actuality, they're in the IRR and need to do ADT once/year for the four years of med school, then do four years of residency, then four years of payback, so they really owe 8 years.

You can look at it however you want, though. The facts (and contact language) are pretty clear. You drill while you receive the stipend, your payback of 2:1 begins after finishing medical school.

which begs the question, why the FLEX policy? If your not technically in the Guard, not drilling and so forth, why the need for a policy saying that they need to be flexible with your drilling time?

Not sure where you're getting not drilling/not in the Guard. Read the last couple of responses I wrote and it should be pretty clear. You are drilling while receiving stipend. Your payback for that stipend you receive while drilling comes after medical school.

Makes no sense.

Hopefully it does now. Let me know if you're still confused in any way.

 

[notdeadyet]

By the way, FlaMedic, any reason you're looking at MDSSP instead of ASR? MDSSP is a great program, but I can't imagine too many situations in which ASR isn't much, much better.

 

[FlaMedic]

OK, I think i got it now, not dead. Thanks for clearing it up.

Oh believe me, I am very much interested in the ASR program. I am just afraid all the spots will be taken or they will cancel the program before I am able to get past the boards and get my control number.

I still would like to take advantage of the Guard and it's educational incentives and want to be in the know. You can't really ask recruiters (not current ASR guys, they are awesome, Im referring to AMEDD recruiters) because they either don't know or sugarcoat excessively.

I hope that they continue or open up more spots. I think the program works. Hell, Koojo (ASR) recruited me and it's still 4 months before school starts.....

Thanks again.....I'll try to remain optimistic about ASR.

 

[notdeadyet]

OK, I think i got it now, not dead. Thanks for clearing it up.

No sweat. It can definitely be confusing.

Oh believe me, I am very much interested in the ASR program. I am just afraid all the spots will be taken or they will cancel the program before I am able to get past the boards and get my control number.

Yeah, it's always wise to have a plan B. Hopefully, they'll keep on issuing control numbers, but having something in your back pocket is always smart.

I still would like to take advantage of the Guard and it's educational incentives and want to be in the know.

Yeah, there are some great ones. You get really sweet deals in some states, very little in others.

 

[FlaMedic]

Ok, here's another one: stipend, gi bill, and drill pay are all taxed, correct?

i know for you ASR guys that bah and bas are not but i was wondring about the others above.....

 

[notdeadyet]

Ok, here's another one: stipend, gi bill, and drill pay are all taxed, correct?

MDSSP stipend is taxed, MGIB is not taxed, drill pay is taxed.

 

[DoctaJMa]

Thanks for info notdeadyet...I had the same questions. I was hoping to get into the ASR program but I have the same concerns as FlaMedic that all the spots are gone and the program will be axed. I will keep my fingers crossed that it will live to see another year...thanks again!!!

 

[notdeadyet]

Keep in mind, guys, that any talk on this thread about worries of ASR going away next year is nothing but water cooler talk. No one has heard anything real about it disappearing and anything other than 200 spankin' new seats opening up on 1 October is rumor.

Plan B's are always good, but there's no reason to think ASR is not a possibility at this point.

 

[FlaMedic]

Keep in mind, guys, that any talk on this thread about worries of ASR going away next year is nothing but water cooler talk. No one has heard anything real about it disappearing and anything other than 200 spankin' new seats opening up on 1 October is rumor.

Plan B's are always good, but there's no reason to think ASR is not a possibility at this point.

Excellent point.

 

[ohio23]

I just got an email from CPT Wire, he is now the AMEDD accessions POC at NGB(I guess he replaced MAJ Law who is listed on all the official ASR correspondence from 2008) and he said all the spots are full for this fiscal year. As the POC, I assume he knows what he is talking about...

I guess I'm hoping for a 1 OCT spot.

 

[superiordoc]

I just got an email from CPT Wire, he is now the AMEDD accessions POC at NGB(I guess he replaced MAJ Law who is listed on all the official ASR correspondence from 2008) and he said all the spots are full for this fiscal year. As the POC, I assume he knows what he is talking about...

I guess I'm hoping for a 1 OCT spot.

I think I read a page back that up to 48 current ASR students will graduate this spring. Any chance that these spots will be assigned to new people under this year's 200?

 

[ohio23]

I think I read a page back that up to 48 current ASR students will graduate this spring. Any chance that these spots will be assigned to new people under this year's 200?

The direct wording from my email says "Unfortunately there are no more seats this Fiscal year as we have reach our 200 max. I would recommend that you work with CPT Elliot to get you USAREC Board Approved. Once you are approved you can apply for a control number and then decide if you want to come into the ARNG."

So my understanding is that no one is confirming or denying the future of ASR come 1 OCT 09. Either there will be 48 seats available from those that graduate this spring, or there will be 200, or the budget will be cut and there will be none. All I know is that if you're not in now, you're not getting in til 1 OCT 09, if you're lucky.

 

[AlphaPower]

Here's an email my recruiter just sent me:

"I just got your physical results this morning, now I just have to turn them
into the State Surgeon and have them transpose the results onto a different
form.

That means your packet should be in front of the USAREC Board (the people
that approve packets on the National Level) in May. You should also receive
your ranking on the order of merit list then. You will be able to appear in
front of the State board in Raleigh in June. (It's POSSIBLE you could appear
in May, depending on the date of the board which is not set for the month of
May yet)."

I guess this "order of merit list" is the waiting list? I really hope ASR continues. Otherwise, it might get harder for you guys to keep getting the same level of interest for your recruiting duties.

Also, what do you guys do when you're drilling? Do you shoot guns, work out, take care of other soldier's wounds etc?

 

[iatrosB]

Also, what do you guys do when you're drilling? Do you shoot guns, work out, take care of other soldier's wounds etc?

Surf the internet...on my arse.

 

[notdeadyet]

Also, what do you guys do when you're drilling? Do you shoot guns, work out, take care of other soldier's wounds etc?

There's a wide variety of drilling in the ASR. Some states don't really require the ASRs to drill much at all, others are sticklers for it. When you do drill, some states have you do the soldier thing and drill with other units whereas some states will just have you report to HQ and study in the dining hall for 8 hours. Ask your recruiter and talk to your potential CO because the answers you get here may not reflect what will be your reality.

For me, I'm expected to drill every month unless I have a valid reason not to. When I do drill, I drill with a local Area Support Medical Company, going through training exercises, going down to shoot at the range, etc. Other times I can fulfill the duties by helping around headquarters with physicals and whatnot.

 

[AlphaPower]

There's a wide variety of drilling in the ASR. Some states don't really require the ASRs to drill much at all, others are sticklers for it. When you do drill, some states have you do the soldier thing and drill with other units whereas some states will just have you report to HQ and study in the dining hall for 8 hours. Ask your recruiter and talk to your potential CO because the answers you get here may not reflect what will be your reality.

For me, I'm expected to drill every month unless I have a valid reason not to. When I do drill, I drill with a local Area Support Medical Company, going through training exercises, going down to shoot at the range, etc. Other times I can fulfill the duties by helping around headquarters with physicals and whatnot.

Thanks notdeadyet. I would LOVE to do some shooting and get some real combat training. I'll be sure to ask my recruiter in NC about it. Can I ask why you picked your alias? Does it have more to do with medicine or the military?

 

[notdeadyet]

Can I ask why you picked your alias? Does it have more to do with medicine or the military?

Neither. I'm old.

 

[FlaMedic]

Thanks notdeadyet. I would LOVE to do some shooting and get some real combat training. I'll be sure to ask my recruiter in NC about it. Can I ask why you picked your alias? Does it have more to do with medicine or the military?

I would maybe use the term "real combat training" cautiously. I'm thinking that if you told a decorated Gulf War combat veteran that you had "real combat training" in your 4 weeks of OBC, he might think a bit differently.

Just sayin....

 

[notdeadyet]

I would maybe use the term "real combat training" cautiously. I'm thinking that if you told a decorated Gulf War combat veteran that you had "real combat training" in your 4 weeks of OBC, he might think a bit differently.

Meh, I think we all got what Alpha Power was talking about: shooting guns and kicking doors. He'll get his taste of that.

At the end of the day, I think everyone is pretty much aware that if it gets to the point of doctors needing to reach for the M-16's and clear rooms, it's pretty much game over.

 

[punkiedad]

Called my recruiter today and mentioned a couple people I had "talked to" on SDN and mentioned the CPT. Will.....she knew exactly who I was talking about. Anyway, I told her a poster had mentioned the spots in ASR were full for this FY. Although she did not confirm knowledge of this or anything about the program continuing (this does not mean it is not, it means SHE DID NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE EITHER WAY....) she did mention that she was at some training program last week or the week before and she talked to someone from a national post 'in the know' and asked the specific question we have all ben asking and that is, when does your spot get confirmed in ASR....swearing in, control number or orders? She said it was control number............So, for those of you that have a control number and have not yet gone thorugh all the boards or had your swearing in, you should be OK for spot this FY (july 1 start).

So, although I can't say for sure, she was pretty confident in her answer as she spoke with someone about that specific topic. I will have more info after state board next week, then again maybe I won't have absolute knowledge until I get orders??? Either way, I will know more than I do today (at least about this).

One side note for those of you still trying to get the elusive control number........be aggressive. I really bugged the S**t out of my recruiter. At least I always thought I was. I probably called her 10x more than she called me. texting and emailing worked well too. It is tough when you don't have all the detail sand are just trying to get your spot in line. Use the info and resources on this board....without guys like koojo. EMH, notdeadyet and amindwalker, it would have been a whole lot harder. So use all your resources, and if this FY is closed, keep pushing for an October date and control number. The same tenacity that got you into med school can work here you just have to dig and be aggressive.

On a side note, the program is working. had it not been the ASR advocates (mentioned above and others if I missed you sorry) devoting their precious time and experience, I would not be joining the guard and would have went through HPSP. In the end, even though this is an expensive program I think it is brilliant. Yes it is expensive, but what is the price of having all these docs in the guard ready to go if needed???? Maybe we will not be all active duty, but with ASR, I plan on staying in for the long haul unless something really turns me off. If I understand it, it is the three years active duty that gives you the kicker to accumulate enough service to make sense to stay in for 20 years and get the long term bennies (pension, tricare for life). So, I know this post was long, but I guess what I am saying it is appears the program is a win win. It could lose if we all get out after our 8 years or it could lose for us if we are all deployed every 18 months. If it works the way it is supposed to it is win-win. (feel free to correct any inaccurate comments I made)

 

[EMH]

I want to join the Guard and I am headed down to Texas next weekend for a tour. OK, so I just want to make sure I got this straight. There has been alot of talk lately that the ASR may not be around for the next fiscal year. However, I dont want to take the chance of not being in the Guard if ASR isnt there. So, can I join the Guard normally, then if ASR is around come October is it possible for me to get into ASR? I have no prior military experience like some of the peeps that have been talking. Any help would be great!!

I have very little doubt that the program will be here next year. Any speculation on the program going away is simply speculation. Your ASR contract is clear that if funding is no longer available you may be excused from your commitment.

To answer your question, they would love to have you even without the ASR. They should still be able to put you in a protected slot where you won't deploy until after residency.

 

[FlaMedic]

That is all very encouraging boys. Hope for the best and the best usually comes out.

In the back of my mind I think it will all work out good for everyone......

 

[EMH]

That is all very encouraging boys. Hope for the best and the best usually comes out.

In the back of my mind I think it will all work out good for everyone......

I often joke with my recruiter that medical students are extremely good about stressing out about getting accepted.

 

[ScottW]

1. Can anyone tell me any info. about how the state board and swear in process work? Do they drill you with questions?
2. What are the final documents you sign at the swear in? Are there a lot more papers to sign?
3. Did anyone see anything on paper about not getting deployed until after residency or atleast not during med school?

I think ASR will be around next year, because it would be counterintuitive to recruit a bunch of "student recruiters" this year and then not give them anyone to recruit next year. This program has a lot of potential to get big numbers for the guard. They know that medical students analyze everything and are reluctant to join unless other students say its legitimate. With that said, i'm guessing they may reduce the funding a little which means less pay for new people coming in or less people coming in. But i'm not prior military so that is all a speculation on my part. Good luck to those in the pipeline and waiting on control numbers, etc.

 

[notdeadyet]

1. Can anyone tell me any info. about how the state board and swear in process work? Do they drill you with questions?

It varies by state and who happens to be on the board. At mine, I had two folks who couldn't be nicer and one who didn't seem happy. I don't know if that was me or just his/her disposition (can't be too careful).

The questions are exactly what you'd expect (Why? What do you offer? etc.). No curveballs.

2. What are the final documents you sign at the swear in? Are there a lot more papers to sign?

Very basic Oath of Office documentation. Not much to read at all.

3. Did anyone see anything on paper about not getting deployed until after residency or atleast not during med school?

Not getting deployed is part of the big ASR memo that everyone's been linking to (go back a few pages and you should see it). I think that document also has something about "not until you're trained", which left a little open to interpretation regarding residency being protected, but someone else had a link to a memo indicating you're safe in residency too. Hopefully someone else can help you out with the latter.

I think ASR will be around next year, because it would be counterintuitive to recruit a bunch of "student recruiters" this year and then not give them anyone to recruit next year.

I think so too, but for different reasons. I wouldn't make too much out of the "student recruiter" thing. We're not being paid an O-1 salary to function as a recruiter a few hours each week. We're being paid to keep us in the Guard to work as physicians when we're done. Our signing up additional student doctors is a nice perk. Besides which, if ASR were to be cancelled for new prospects, they could have us recruit for MDSSP or whatever ASR's replacement was.

But again, we've seen no indication that ASR is getting cancelled. Talk of that so far is just scuttlebutt. If something official comes down, you can be sure people will post it here.

 

[ScottW]

It varies by state and who happens to be on the board. At mine, I had two folks who couldn't be nicer and one who didn't seem happy. I don't know if that was me or just his/her disposition (can't be too careful).

The questions are exactly what you'd expect (Why? What do you offer? etc.). No curveballs.

Very basic Oath of Office documentation. Not much to read at all.

Not getting deployed is part of the big ASR memo that everyone's been linking to (go back a few pages and you should see it). I think that document also has something about "not until you're trained", which left a little open to interpretation regarding residency being protected, but someone else had a link to a memo indicating you're safe in residency too. Hopefully someone else can help you out with the latter.

I think so too, but for different reasons. I wouldn't make too much out of the "student recruiter" thing. We're not being paid an O-1 salary to function as a recruiter a few hours each week. We're being paid to keep us in the Guard to work as physicians when we're done. Our signing up additional student doctors is a nice perk. Besides which, if ASR were to be cancelled for new prospects, they could have us recruit for MDSSP or whatever ASR's replacement was.

But again, we've seen no indication that ASR is getting cancelled. Talk of that so far is just scuttlebutt. If something official comes down, you can be sure people will post it here.

Thanks for the information. I guess what i'm really wanting to know is do you ever sign a "final contract" stating the parameters of the ASR program. I know we sign the 8 year MSO, but when do we see the document outlining everything. I always hear to "get it in writing". So I want to see that ASR is 3 years served concurrently with the 8 year MSO, can't be deployed in med school, etc. Or do you not ever see this document and we're to assume everything is the truth? Just curious, b/c its getting down to signing time and i want to make sure. thanks.

 

[notdeadyet]

Thanks for the information. I guess what i'm really wanting to know is do you ever sign a "final contract" stating the parameters of the ASR program.

The only document I've ever received regarding ASR is the one that's linked on this thread repeatedly. Nothing different is given to you when you swear in.

I know we sign the 8 year MSO, but when do we see the document outlining everything.

We'll see if others have something to contribute, but I didn't have a big legal document outlining what ASR was. I only had my orders, which indicated I'd be in the ASR program, and the side document about what ASR is and what the responsibilities are.

As far as contracts go, it was extremely light. You'll have a longer contract when you sign up for a cellphone service.

 

[EMH]

The only document I've ever received regarding ASR is the one that's linked on this thread repeatedly. Nothing different is given to you when you swear in.

We'll see if others have something to contribute, but I didn't have a big legal document outlining what ASR was. I only had my orders, which indicated I'd be in the ASR program, and the side document about what ASR is and what the responsibilities are.

As far as contracts go, it was extremely light. You'll have a longer contract when you sign up for a cellphone service.

I have a 3 page contract for the ASR program that I did sign. It's pretty standard stuff that fits with the description of the program. One thing I thought I remembered being in there is actually not. The program description says you may be released from your obligation if funding is unavailable but it actually doesn't say that in my contract.

 

[ScottW]

I have a 3 page contract for the ASR program that I did sign. It's pretty standard stuff that fits with the description of the program. One thing I thought I remembered being in there is actually not. The program description says you may be released from your obligation if funding is unavailable but it actually doesn't say that in my contract.

Thanks for the responses guys. I'm excited to be swearing in soon, but i'm just covering the bases. Just a little weary that its "not in writing" and all that. ASR seems kinda open ended.
I know we probably sign a contract after the 3 years of ASR is completed, probably with the guard or whatever branch we decide, but at that point things could get tricky too, since you are finally signing a contract. I don't know, maybe i'm over thinking it, its just the next 8 years of my life.😕

 

[EMH]

Thanks for the responses guys. I'm excited to be swearing in soon, but i'm just covering the bases. Just a little weary that its "not in writing" and all that. ASR seems kinda open ended.
I know we probably sign a contract after the 3 years of ASR is completed, probably with the guard or whatever branch we decide, but at that point things could get tricky too, since you are finally signing a contract. I don't know, maybe i'm over thinking it, its just the next 8 years of my life.😕

The contract is on the front end. If you want to read it ask your recruiter or PM me with your e-mail and I'll share.

 

[notdeadyet]

ASR seems kinda open ended.
I know we probably sign a contract after the 3 years of ASR is completed, probably with the guard or whatever branch we decide, but at that point things could get tricky too, since you are finally signing a contract.

ScottW- This part kind of concerned me.

You realize that by signing up for ASR, you are swearing in for the full 8 years, to be paid back to the National Guard, right? There's no question of serving it "probably with the guard or whatever branch we decide". It's an obligation to the Army National Guard.

I don't know of any contracts you'll sign later. You sign them at the upfront and it covers you the next 8 years.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the bolded part above set off alarm bells with me for some reason, so I thought it better safe than sorry.

 

[ScottW]

ScottW- This part kind of concerned me.

You realize that by signing up for ASR, you are swearing in for the full 8 years, to be paid back to the National Guard, right? There's no question of serving it "probably with the guard or whatever branch we decide". It's an obligation to the Army National Guard.

I don't know of any contracts you'll sign later. You sign them at the upfront and it covers you the next 8 years.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but the bolded part above set off alarm bells with me for some reason, so I thought it better safe than sorry.

Well i understand what you're saying. The recruiter was always saying that we can serve the remainder of the MSO with whichever branch we choose after the 3 years. But that confused me too, because i want to serve the 8 year MSO with the guard. They always said, "we're not signing a contract", all we're signing is the 8 year MSO. So just trying to clarify the whole contract situation. But i'm with you on the national guard 8 year MSO, thanks.
Basically i'm just confused that everything is open ended and "not in writing", but it sounds like you guys are cool with it and everything is going to work out.

 

[ScottW]

I also understand that the 3 year ASR part is served concurrent with the 8 year MSO, leaving 5 years left to do drill or IRR during residency? Correct? I mean i already know all this stuff, b/c i have asked a million questions along the way, but I want to completely varify that i'm on the right page. thanks.

 

[EMH]

I also understand that the 3 year ASR part is served concurrent with the 8 year MSO, leaving 5 years left to do drill or IRR during residency? Correct? I mean i already know all this stuff, b/c i have asked a million questions along the way, but I want to completely varify that i'm on the right page. thanks.

Yes and no. From the ASR contract: you owe 1 year service for each year you take the benefits of ASR. Payback begins when you graduate. Since all residency's are >= 3 years this means your payback to the ARNG will be up by the time you finish residency. Any time you have remaining on your MSO can be spent as you wish (IRR, ARNG, reserves, Navy....)

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I also understand that the 3 year ASR part is served concurrent with the 8 year MSO, leaving 5 years left to do drill or IRR during residency? Correct? I mean i already know all this stuff, b/c i have asked a million questions along the way, but I want to completely varify that i'm on the right page. thanks.

I'd flip pages. I believe you have a 6 year active or active drilling minimum as a part of your total MSO. IRR is different than that, and I don't know that IRR is the best place for anyone not interested in sand, heat, and camels.

 

[EMH]

I'd flip pages. I believe you have a 6 year active or active drilling minimum as a part of your total MSO. IRR is different than that, and I don't know that IRR is the best place for anyone not interested in sand, heat, and camels.

Yes, I forgot to mention that in my previous post. That is part of your obligation of getting the commission.

 

[del Sol DOHC]

I'd flip pages. I believe you have a 6 year active or active drilling minimum as a part of your total MSO. IRR is different than that, and I don't know that IRR is the best place for anyone not interested in sand, heat, and camels.

Don't forget that there is another option. Instead of spending those last two years in the IRR, you could spend them in the Inactive National Guard. In the Inactive National Guard, if you are called up, you will be deploying with your Guard unit. Then you would only be subject to the shorter Guard deployment times for physicians. If you are in the IRR you could be called to deploy with the regular Army, which is most likely a 12-15 month deployment. I know which inactive list I will be on...

 

[ScottW]

Ok so let me simplify and clarify. Take IRR out of the eqaution. If you do 3 years ASR, then you have 5 years left on MSO in the guard? I know this already becaused i've talked with recruiter, others, etc., but i want to be completely clear where I stand. thanks.

 

[koojo]

Ok so let me simplify and clarify. Take IRR out of the eqaution. If you do 3 years ASR, then you have 5 years left on MSO in the guard? I know this already becaused i've talked with recruiter, others, etc., but i want to be completely clear where I stand. thanks.

Yes that's correct. You theoretically should only have to drill for three years after ASR (total 6 years in the National Guard). The remaining 2 can be done in IRR if you want...but I don't recommend it..

 

[Miska002]

Is the officers training for Army National guard the exact same as the one for the army?

 

[notdeadyet]

Is the officers training for Army National guard the exact same as the one for the army?

Active Army AMEDD Officer training (like the training that HPSPers will go through for Army) is 6 weeks. Army National Guard and Reserves AMEDD Officer Training is 2-1/2 weeks.