Army National Guard's new Med student program details.

[notdeadyet]

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so let's say that in october i get accepted to State A, get my paperwork done, sworn in, etc. then let's say in march i get a call from a different school in State B saying they'll take me. aside from some paperwork, i would be able to choose between the two and go to the one in State B with no major issues, or losing out on ASR?

also, i am not currently living in a state where i will attend school. can i remain living here while i wait for school to start and get in on asr, or do i need to be residing in the state where i plan to attend?

To be honest, I usually tell folks not to sign on the dotted line for ASR until you've been accepted to the medical school of your choice for just this reason.

I'm pretty sure you'd be fine, but I don't know anyone who's signed up for ASR and then tried to immediately changed states. Would a transfer go through okay? Probably. I just don't know anyone who's done that, so I can't speak with any confidence. Maybe someone else can chime in.

Talk to your state's recruiter, explain your situation honestly, then see what they say. They may very well tell you to not sign up until you've been accepted to the state you'll matriculate in.

 

[notdeadyet]

For current ASR foks:

Can someone post the most up-to-date listing of OBLC schedules for 2010 ? I have people asking and don't have the dates. The one's online only go as far as August of this year, which is obviously less than completely helpful...

 

[doctiggity]

"Pass the word NGB will fund additional 200 seats. If you are one the waiting list you will be on orders 1 Oct for the ASR program. If you know someone that is interested lets get the ball rolling"

Do you know if the additional 200 seats will go to those on the waiting list first? Do you know how many people are on the waiting list? What about people who are submitting applications to the board for the Oct 1 date, will they be looked at, decided upon, and if accepted, wait listed b/c all of the slots may potentially be filled? (if all taken up by those on the waiting list)

 

[eflix]

I haven't heard anything about a summer course yet. On http://www.usarc.army.mil/apmc/tng_education.htm#Officer Basic Course* there is a list that doesn't include a summer course.

Last time I heard, there were about 50 people on the waitlist so they will all be coming off before those on the new boards. It is very unlikely that there are 150 people in the ASR pipeline that will take up the rest of the slots, but it is in your interest to get a packet to them ASAP. You don't have to swear in until you know you are accepted for the ASR list.

 

[doctiggity]

Last time I heard, there were about 50 people on the waitlist so they will all be coming off before those on the new boards. It is very unlikely that there are 150 people in the ASR pipeline that will take up the rest of the slots, but it is in your interest to get a packet to them ASAP. You don't have to swear in until you know you are accepted for the ASR list.

Thanks for the info. So once you've been boarded how long does it take to swear in, get control#, and paycheck? Also, do you know when the federal board decisions for Oct 1. will be made. I hear they take a couple of weeks to make decisions. Is that correct?

 

[eflix]

No idea how long it generally takes, but mine only took a week to get the results back. I swore in at the state rec board the week after.

I was one of those on the waiting list and didn't start on ASR right away, so maybe someone else can answer how it works. I just turned in my packet for ASR orders and hope to get my first ASR paycheck in mid-October.

 

[notdeadyet]

Last time I heard, there were about 50 people

Over 60 now...

You don't have to swear in until you know you are accepted for the ASR list.

Is this new policy? My understanding is that they couldn't give you a control number unless you were sworn in.

 

[eflix]

Over 60 now...

Is this new policy? My understanding is that they couldn't give you a control number unless you were sworn in.

I remember Tech2doc said earlier in the year (on page 27) that he had a control number before he swore in, so that's what I was going off of. Haven't had any personal experience with it though.

 

[tech2doc]

I remember Tech2doc said earlier in the year (on page 27) that he had a control number before he swore in, so that's what I was going off of. Haven't had any personal experience with it though.

eFlix, that's right! After I passed MEPS and the first two boards, I was able to get a control number. So I was 100% sure of a spot when I swore in. (There wasn't a waiting list when I started)

 

[notdeadyet]

eFlix, that's right! After I passed MEPS and the first two boards, I was able to get a control number. So I was 100% sure of a spot when I swore in. (There wasn't a waiting list when I started)

After you pass the first two boards, you've sworn in, no?

I'm more curious about if it's possible for folks to get control numbers after submitting packets and getting approval for the Guard, without intending to swear in (and commit) until near when spots will open up (to ensure they don't swear in to find out that they do not have a spot for a while or a year.

 

[GIGATT]

BAH is non taxable, this I know, but I'm wondering how the school handles that portion of funds in terms of your financial aid. We wrote fin. aid with questions regarding ASR and financial aid. This was the reply:

"The impact on your aid if you receive a National Guard sponsorship depends partially on how the funds you receive are reported to the IRS. Any funds reported on a W-2 are treated as wage type income with allowances for taxes and a living allowance against them. Fee payments are deducted dollar for dollar from your awarded aid. If you receive funds (bonus, etc) that are reported on other than a W-2, these would also be deducted on a dollar for dollar basis from your aid.

Those students who are receiving military Health Professions scholarship from the Air Force/Army have their sponsorships reported on W-2 forms. So their aid is reduced by the amount of the fee payment and only slightly reduced based on the monthly sponsorship payment. "

So does BAH include what they call "sponsorship" since it's technically not claimed pay-taxable income? Kind of sounds like they take it all for their fin. aid deduction... but it's not a super clear answer so that's why I'm coming to you all.
We're just wondering how loan and aid qualification will be impacted by ARNG ASR program.

Thanks in advance!

 

[tech2doc]

Notdeadyet, I swore in after the Federal Recognition Boards which is the 3rd and final boards. This is the one where you sit before the board. I had my control number before that point. And up until you actually swear in, you are under no commitment to do so. Realistically, you could pass the FedRec boards and get the go from the ARNG and decide you don't want to do it.

 

[notdeadyet]

Hey, GIGATT:

BAH is non taxable, this I know, but I'm wondering how the school handles that portion of funds in terms of your financial aid. We wrote fin. aid with questions regarding ASR and financial aid. This was the reply:

My school had the same response, and HPSP folks are treated the same way.

For financial aid purposes, they take salary, bonuses, inheritances, or basically any money that comes to your hands and tallies it up towards your EFC (Expected Family Contribution). The stipend HPSP students receive would be looked at the same way (though it's largely moot for them, since they don't pay tuition).

So what happens is that you get what looks to the financial aid folks like a nice fat salary while you're in medical school.

This does not affect how much you get in loans. You shouldn't notice any change at all. You can still take out the same amount in student loans, at the same interest rate, as these are not affected by EFC.

The only impact that the salary and EFC has on your loans in the proportion that are subsidized. If you look poor, you get a larger amount subsidized. If you look rich, you get a smaller amount subsidized. Subsidized means the loans do not accrue interest while in medical school. But your total loan amount will not change. The maximum is set by the individual school and reflective of tuition, expenses, living costs, and, frankly, their kindness level.

Hope this helps...

 

[notdeadyet]

Notdeadyet, I sore in after the Federal Recognition Boards which is the 3rd and final boards. This is the one where you sit before the board. I had my control number before that point. And up until you actually swear in, you are under no commitment to do so. Realistically, you could pass the FedRec boards and get the go from the ARNG and decide you don't want to do it.

Thanks for the info, tech2doc. This is good to know...

 

[GIGATT]

Hey, GIGATT:

So what happens is that you get what looks to the financial aid folks like a nice fat salary while you're in medical school.

Kind of what I was afraid of...although I'm NOT complaining! A big fat salary looking situation is better than, well, the alternative.... BTDT!



The maximum is set by the individual school and reflective of tuition, expenses, living costs, and, frankly, their kindness level.
🤣

That was very helpful! Thanks!

 

[Micahfeld]

Can someone please provide me with the contact info of a knowledgeable ASR recruiter?

I have been accepted to my state school, and I will be entering in August of 2010. I am a resident of Mississippi.

Thanks in advance!

Micah

 

[tsbuqh]

In your pay check from the military, only the pay is taxable and therefore on your W-2. So that is all you will report for financial aid. ASR only has base pay, so for most of you that will be ($2,655.30*12) $31863. Unless you are going to a school who's yearly COA is much less than that you will still qualify for all of the subsidized Stanford loans ($8500 per year).

There is no real financial aid disadvantage to doing ASR.

 

[AlphaPower]

I started training for the APFT. The part I'm most worried about is the 2 mile run. I heard this test is in Oct, and I haven't built up the endurance to pass the required time. Any suggestions for training, or ways I can delay this test without having it affect my ASR pay?

 

[eflix]

I started training for the APFT. The part I'm most worried about is the 2 mile run. I heard this test is in Oct, and I haven't built up the endurance to pass the required time. Any suggestions for training, or ways I can delay this test without having it affect my ASR pay?

If you start orders next week (in October), it may not affect your pay - I just heard that it could give us problems in getting orders issued. Our PT tests were in August, so the time depends on the unit.

For training tips, check on the national guard forum: http://www.nationalguard.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=29

We did 30 minute runs (run 15 minutes somewhere, run the same distance back in same amount of time) which I thought was helpful - it makes the 2 mile run seem short in comparison and lets you learn to pace yourself.

 

[Barium56]

What happens if you don't pass the APFT? I'm not sure if I could pass if I had to take it today.

 

[Mister T]

I will be applying for medical school in Summer 2010. Will I be able to start the application process before I apply to medical school (I understand that you can't really apply until you have your acceptance but can I start working on the paperwork beforehand?) Also, when should I be doing the paperwork if I can do it?


Finally, if I am applying for medical school in Summer 2010, that means I will enroll in 2011 --- will this program still be around? I understand that this program was approved for 3 years @ 200 people/year.

 

[notdeadyet]

I will be applying for medical school in Summer 2010. Will I be able to start the application process before I apply to medical school (I understand that you can't really apply until you have your acceptance but can I start working on the paperwork beforehand?)

No. Some recruiters might give you the paperwork as you're interviewing if it looks like you'll be getting an acceptance soon, but you're too early in the process right now. This time next year you might make some inquiries.

Finally, if I am applying for medical school in Summer 2010, that means I will enroll in 2011 --- will this program still be around? I understand that this program was approved for 3 years @ 200 people/year.

I don't think anyone can really say for certain. I haven't heard anything about them extending the program, but you never know. I'd ask around this time next year...

Best of luck with your preparations...

 

[eflix]

I found the following on the alabama national guard site: http://alguard.state.al.us/hro/pol/APFT-MOI.html

"c. Soldiers who fail a record APFT for the first time or fail to take the APFT within the required period will be flagged according to AR 600-8-2. Flags for APFT failure block promotion, reenlistment, and extension only. In the event of a record test failure, commanders may allow soldiers to retake the test as soon as the soldier and the commander feel the soldier is ready. Soldiers without a medical profile will be retested not later than 3 months following the initial APFT failure.

d. AGR personnel who fail two consecutive APFTs will be processed for mandatory separation from the FTNGD. Administration of an additional record APFT after the second failure is not allowed unless the soldier has been processed for separtion and retained by TAG. Soldiers with repetitive failures, for whom insufficient time is available to complete separation processing (90 - 120 days) prior to ETS, will be barred from reenlistment."

I believe we would be considered AGR (while we're on ASR orders), so the second policy would seem to me to apply to us. Not sure if this varies state by state though.

 

[Barium56]

I just received my ASR orders for Oct 1!

My unit is doing APFT this weekend. I was told that it is OFFICIAL and must be completed within a year (or before OBC) and that I should wait until I can pass the minimum requirement for sure.

 

[tsbuqh]

There is a new bill in congress that would include title 32 orders (ASR) here is an article:

Legislation Could Extend GI Bill to More Guardsmen

By Air Force Senior Airman Jameel S. Moses
Special to American Forces Press Service


ARLINGTON, Va., Sept. 16, 2009 – More than 30,000 additional National Guard members may become eligible for the Post-9/11 GI Bill with the help of bipartisan legislation introduced Sept. 10. U.S. Rep. Dave Loebsack of Iowa has introduced a bill that proposes a change to the GI Bill eligibility rules to include National Guard members called to active duty in support of homeland security.

"Essentially, the new GI Bill of Rights that we passed last year unintentionally left out about 30,000 members of the National Guard," Loebsack said on Radio Iowa. "They are not receiving all of the benefits they have earned."

The current Post-9/11 GI Bill, which began Aug. 3, extends benefits only to servicemembers serving under Title 10 duty status, but the proposed law would cover those serving under Title 32 in homeland security roles. Both duty statuses are paid with federal dollars, but under Title 32, the state governor maintains control of National Guard forces.

"Our National Guard members who participate in disaster response, protection of U.S. airspace, border security and many other critical missions deserve the Post-9/11 GI benefits and the opportunities that come with those benefits," Loebsack said. "As a former college professor, I know and understand the many doors an education can open. A small technical error will not and should not get in the way of opening those doors.”

The bill also covers reserve-component servicemembers who have been discharged with a service-connected disability, because they’re not covered under current law, he added. Servicemembers discharged under Title 10 with a service-connected disability are provided a full, four-year college education, but Guard members discharged under Title 32 aren’t eligible.

The bill, which has 22 co-sponsors, has been referred to the House Veterans Affairs Committee. The committee isn't expected to pass new GI Bill-related legislation until next year.

(Air Force Senior Airman Jameel S. Moses serves in the National Guard Bureau.)

 

[DavoWright]

Does anyone know what happens if you enter the Guard Medical Student program with the intention of going into Orthopaedics but then go into Interventional Radiology (IR)? I was told by one of the recruiters that students that want to go into IR are not eligible for the program. Can the guard prevent you from going into an off list residency like IR? AS of right now I'm 95% sure I want to go into ortho but don't want to paint myself into a corner.

 

[astrosfan15]

I have been speaking with a local ASR recruiter and she told me that once you are finished with residency that you can absolutely count on being deployed. Has everyone else heard the same? Thanks.

 

[Barium56]

Does anyone know what happens if you enter the Guard Medical Student program with the intention of going into Orthopaedics but then go into Interventional Radiology (IR)? I was told by one of the recruiters that students that want to go into IR are not eligible for the program. Can the guard prevent you from going into an off list residency like IR? AS of right now I'm 95% sure I want to go into ortho but don't want to paint myself into a corner.

The way I understand it, if you are a medical student then you are eligible for ASR. They do not control over what specialty you go into. However, during your residency training you will not be eligible for STRAP, Loan Repayment or retention bonus. They are not going to pay to keep you around if they don't need your specialty. There is a pathology resident in my unit that is upset because he is not eligible for loan repayment etc. Hope that helps.

 

[tele turnin]

I have been speaking with a local ASR recruiter and she told me that once you are finished with residency that you can absolutely count on being deployed. Has everyone else heard the same? Thanks.

I haven't been told this (yet), but i have always been under the impression that there is no such thing as a free lunch in the army.

 

[del Sol DOHC]

I have been speaking with a local ASR recruiter and she told me that once you are finished with residency that you can absolutely count on being deployed. Has everyone else heard the same? Thanks.

Why would this surprise you? You are joining the army of a nation at war. Of course you will be mobilized. If you don't want to deploy, stay away from the military.

 

[astrosfan15]

Why would this surprise you? You are joining the army of a nation at war. Of course you will be mobilized. If you don't want to deploy, stay away from the military.

I understand we are at war but, I still didn't know that it is commonplace for national guard doctors to be automatically deployed once available after residency

 

[notdeadyet]

I understand we are at war but, I still didn't know that it is commonplace for national guard doctors to be automatically deployed once available after residency

It's not. Ask your ASR for data to back that up.

 

[jkmph]

Why would this surprise you? You are joining the army of a nation at war. Of course you will be mobilized. If you don't want to deploy, stay away from the military.

The ASR recruiter I'm going through has said "no boots on the ground" during your first 8 year commitment. Additionally he has emailed me the documentation validating that statement.

He's also informed me that, in at least some cases, post-residency deployments incurred from contract extensions can frequently be done state-side. He cited two current ANG MOs who are doing just that from my home state. That could be fluff though..

 

[notdeadyet]

The ASR recruiter I'm going through has said "no boots on the ground" during your first 8 year commitment. Additionally he has emailed me the documentation validating that statement.

First I've heard of that. I'm suspicious.

All folks in the ASR program are exempt from deployment during med school and residency. If that makes up your 8 year commitment, that's great. But if anyone has commitment after their residency, they are deployable.

This is outlined pretty clearly in the Exemption memo that has been posted before. If you have any documentation that claims that ASRs are ineligible for deployment while they are on drilling status as board-certified physicians, I'd love to see it. It runs counter to any documentation I've seen.

He's also informed me that, in at least some cases, post-residency deployments incurred from contract extensions can frequently be done state-side. He cited two current ANG MOs who are doing just that from my home state. That could be fluff though..

No, when docs are activated, it's not always to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. Some docs are activated for 90 day assignments at state-side positions.

Personally, if I'm going to be pulled out of my life for a 90 day deployment, I'd rather it be to support troops in combat. If I wanted to spend my day in a stateside military clinic doing sick-call, I'd have taken HPSP....

 

[eflix]

The ASR recruiter I'm going through has said "no boots on the ground" during your first 8 year commitment. Additionally he has emailed me the documentation validating that statement.

He's also informed me that, in at least some cases, post-residency deployments incurred from contract extensions can frequently be done state-side. He cited two current ANG MOs who are doing just that from my home state. That could be fluff though..

The "no boots on ground" in first 8 years policy is extremely odd, and I'm suspicious as well. Can you post (or PM) any documentation he gave you about not deploying in the first 8 years?

 

[jkmph]

I suppose I could have been more specific, given the confusion in the responses. My understanding, validated by the ASR recruiter, was that the 4 years of medical school and 4 years of residency are exempt. Ergo 'no boots on the ground' during your first 8 year commitment.

 

[notdeadyet]

I suppose I could have been more specific, given the confusion in the responses. My understanding, validated by the ASR recruiter, was that the 4 years of medical school and 4 years of residency are exempt.

Either your recruiter has a very poor understanding of what he is doing, or you're misunderstanding what you're told.

The documentation is very clear: you are exempt from deployment during medical school and during residency. Period. There's no "4 years" about it.

Ergo 'no boots on the ground' during your first 8 year commitment.

Your "ergo" is false.

You can take ASR for two years in medical school (as many do) and owe six more years. If you do a family practice residency (three years) you have three years left on your contract in which you can be deployed.

So DO NOT state that folks are non-deployable during their first 8 year commitment. It is not correct. You are non-deployable during medical school and residency. These are not the same things.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

Well, it'd be 3 years of school since ASR only covers that, and then residency, which may not be 4 years. Avoiding deployment to seek fellowships are case by case. So in theory what you are saying is the same as what we have heard, just expressed differently. With Uncle Sam, the devil is in the details. Particularly because none of this is etched in stone at the Pentagon; it could change later today. Policies have this odd way of changing every time there is a change of command. In my opinion, you have to be willing to accept that at worst, you could end up extending your residency because of a deployment/mobilization. We've debated the likelihood of this and I agree it is infinitely small, but the Titanic wasn't supposed to sink either. I think most would agree that once you get out of residency you stand a HUGE chance of being activated. To think anything else IMHO is setting yourself, and your family if applicable, up for hate and discontent...

Has anyone gotten their FY 2010 orders? Speaking of details, I didn't realize that our orders ended 30 Sep 09. My wife's ID expired then as well, a fact I had known was coming up, but it just didn't register. I had a little throat thing going on and went to the MTF on 2 Oct to get a swab, only to find out I'm not technically on orders. In looking at my dependent DEERS/Tricare info, none of mine have coverage until I get them. Something to make sure your admin folks are on top of.

 

[akoman]

Don't do anything in life just for the monetary benefits especially join the military. If you join expecting not to deploy, you're going to be very upset WHEN you deploy. Right now it's not a question of if, but WHEN you will deploy. For now, ASRies are protected during residency, but all that could change with the flick of a pen due the "the needs of the Army". ASR is great, the US ARMY is great, but if you don't want to deploy please don't join for your sake and the Army's.

 

[stiz]

I thought i had all of this down until I received an email with the LOI for ASR.

As far as contractual obligation, the only thing I see in there is:

b. ASR participants will incur a 1 year contractual service obligation in the ARNG for every year they remain on ADOS orders. This contractual obligation will begin immediately following graduation from their respective program of study.

So I don't know where the 8 years with 6 in the Guard and 2 in the IRR comes from ....

It mentions:
(8) Attend annual ASR training.

What training would that be?

Also, the recruiter stated:
'We do tell you what to specialize in for residency.'

That's not correct is it?

Thanks in advance for clarification.

👍

 

[notdeadyet]

I thought i had all of this down until I received an email with the LOI for ASR.

What's the LOI?

So I don't know where the 8 years with 6 in the Guard and 2 in the IRR comes from ....

Everyone who is commissioned as an officer in the U.S. military has an 8 year military service obligation. Regardless of branch or program. In the Guard for Medical Corps (from the documentation I have), you agree to a six year drilling commitment.

All the materials I have may be out of date, but they're pretty specific about 6 years drilling, regardless of how much of that is on ADOS orders.

It mentions:
(8) Attend annual ASR training.

What training would that be?

Ask your recruiter. This would vary from state to state. I'm in a state that seems more committed to requirements than most, and we only have an annual meeting over a weekend in lieu of drill.

Also, the recruiter stated:
'We do tell you what to specialize in for residency.'

What level is your recruiter? If you're speaking to an ASR, ask to speak to their Commanding Officer. You're getting bad info.

The only issue is that the Guard may not take in some folks interested in particular specialties that the Guard flat out doesn't need. For instance, I was interested in Child Psychiatry and the Guard told me that if I went into that field, I'd either have to practice at the intern level or psychiatry. If I wanted to practice Child in the Army, I'd have to transfer to the Reserves.

But the Guard does not have any control on prohibiting what you specialize in or where.

 

[stiz]

Says that the 3-year obligation is because I'm prior service....
Because my initial 8-year thing is up .... ???

The doc is ASR LOI (Letter of Intent?) from 15 April 08...I can email it to
you if you'd like.

One thing I am confused about is the 'drilling commitment' ...

If you're on ASR you're full-time NG right? So you wouldn't be drilling in addition to be paid full-time, right? So you wouldn't start your drilling until AFTER the 3 year ASR period?? So I'm confused when you refer to a 6-year drilling period. It's not 3 years ASR, 3 years drilling, 2 years IRR?

Thanks!

What's the LOI?

Everyone who is commissioned as an officer in the U.S. military has an 8 year military service obligation. Regardless of branch or program. In the Guard for Medical Corps (from the documentation I have), you agree to a six year drilling commitment.

All the materials I have may be out of date, but they're pretty specific about 6 years drilling, regardless of how much of that is on ADOS orders.

Ask your recruiter. This would vary from state to state. I'm in a state that seems more committed to requirements than most, and we only have an annual meeting over a weekend in lieu of drill.

What level is your recruiter? If you're speaking to an ASR, ask to speak to their Commanding Officer. You're getting bad info.

The only issue is that the Guard may not take in some folks interested in particular specialties that the Guard flat out doesn't need. For instance, I was interested in Child Psychiatry and the Guard told me that if I went into that field, I'd either have to practice at the intern level or psychiatry. If I wanted to practice Child in the Army, I'd have to transfer to the Reserves.

But the Guard does not have any control on prohibiting what you specialize in or where.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I also have already done my 8 yr. MSO. My understanding, according to regs that can be found within this thread somewhere, is that if you've begun your MSO and then commission, your obligation is 2 years or the remainder of your MSO, whichever is longer. Dunno where you are getting 3 year contract. In fact, nothing I signed to get into this has times or dates on it at all. And nothing said you'll pay back x amount for each year, etc. IIRC...

 

[notdeadyet]

One thing I am confused about is the 'drilling commitment' ...

If you're on ASR you're full-time NG right? So you wouldn't be drilling in addition to be paid full-time, right? So you wouldn't start your drilling until AFTER the 3 year ASR period??

Nope. You are obligated to drill even when on ADOS orders for ASR. The difference is that you're eligible for flexi-training and drilling as little as once every three months rather than once every month. But you are obligated to drill during your ASR years.

How seriously your state takes the drilling seems to vary.

To each their own on the contracts stuff.

 

[eflix]

Just got my FY 2010 ASR orders yesterday. Am pretty excited! Had been wondering what was going on since I hadn't gotten them before Oct 1, but looks like they can do them retroactively.

NDY, what's your annual ASR meeting like? I don't think I've heard you talk about it so far.

 

[notdeadyet]

I also have already done my 8 yr. MSO. My understanding, according to regs that can be found within this thread somewhere, is that if you've begun your MSO and then commission, your obligation is 2 years or the remainder of your MSO, whichever is longer.

I remember someone interpreting things that way as well.

Personally, I'd recommend that if folks expect to drill less than 6 years (whether prior service or not) to ask their CO specifically. If I take ASR for x years, given my background, how many years of drilling do I owe after this.

Signing up with expectations of how much you'll drill based on your or someone else's interpretation of regs can be a dangerous game. Get word from your CO that their interpretation matches yours, otherwise there's the potential for a pretty ugly wake up call.

 

[notdeadyet]

NDY, what's your annual ASR meeting like? I don't think I've heard you talk about it so far.

I don't know. I haven't been. I'm not sure if I can attend this one, as it might conflict with my surgery schedule. If I attend, I'll let you know...

 

[tsbuqh]

Says that the 3-year obligation is because I'm prior service....
Because my initial 8-year thing is up .... ???

The doc is ASR LOI (Letter of Intent?) from 15 April 08

Thanks!

The letter of intent is not the Oath/Contract you will sign at commissioning. As a prior service with no obligations at the time of re-commissioning, I was told I needed two years of Intent, but there was nothing in the final documents.

So as a prior service, with no remaining obligation, you could technically take as little as one year of ASR, then owe one year payback and be out of the service after one year of payback (2 years total).

This looks like a huge loop hole, except that your have 8+ years of service already, your a poor student so you will stay in for med school, and probably residency. Then you have 15+ years of service and it is hard to walk away from the retirement. I have seen some do it at 15 years, but none past that.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

If anyone here is in TX pm me. Can't remember who is who.....

 

[koojo]

So I got my ASR orders for fiscal year 2010. They are from October 1st, 2009-September 30, 2010.