Army National Guard's new Med student program details.

[AlphaPower]

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I'll be seeing you guys this summer. My NCO submitted an application on Monday, and I got a confirmation email the same day, and today I got word that I have a spot reserved.

 

[ShinyDome19]

For a medical student, when the national guard says one weekend a month, two weeks a year for drilling, how does this play out. Does this mean once each month you go up to the drilling location on a saturday for 8 hours or so, go home, come back on sunday for another 8 hours, then go back home? Or, is it go up on saturday and stay until sunday night? What exactly does a medical student do during this time? And for the two weeks a year, is the timing of this two weeks dependant on your assigned unit?

 

[notdeadyet]

What program? What state?

ASR has a very different lifestyle from MDSSP from traditional drilling Guard. Can't answer your question without knowing what you're signing up for and where.

 

[DrRoast]

So is the 30 Jun - 26 Jul OBLC really full? How do you know when you have a reserved spot? My NCO supposedly sent a request in for me about a month ago, but I still haven't heard anything via AKO, personal email, or otherwise.

 

[ShinyDome19]

What program? What state?

ASR has a very different lifestyle from MDSSP from traditional drilling Guard. Can't answer your question without knowing what you're signing up for and where.

Well, as of right now, I will likely be in the MDSSP program, unless ASR opens up before I sign the dotted line. I am most likely going to end up in PA as I have been accepted to LECOM Seton Hill, but am currently on the waitlist at University of Mississippi SOM, where I will attend should I be accepted.

 

[N1D]

So is the 30 Jun - 26 Jul OBLC really full? How do you know when you have a reserved spot? My NCO supposedly sent a request in for me about a month ago, but I still haven't heard anything via AKO, personal email, or otherwise.

I just today received confirmation that I'm enrolled in this course and I think my request was sent in early last week, so unless the class filled in the last couple of days, I think there would still be some available seats.

 

[SnowyOwl]

Well, as of right now, I will likely be in the MDSSP program, unless ASR opens up before I sign the dotted line. I am most likely going to end up in PA as I have been accepted to LECOM Seton Hill, but am currently on the waitlist at University of Mississippi SOM, where I will attend should I be accepted.

Well, typically a drill involves working Sat and Sunday. I am a PA ASR student at LECOM Erie, we drill in Fort indiantown Gap, PA which is 5 or so hours away. We leave on Friday night (school will let you leave early) and drill Saturday until 4 or 5 and Sunday morning. They let us go early for travel purposes. Different units have different schedules, so if you are considering Mississippi, contact your ASR recruiter or shoot me an email at [email protected] and I will get you in touch with the right folks to answer any questions. Hope this helps. BTW, if you live close to your drill base, you can show up Sat. AM and go home for the evening and come back Sun. morning.

 

[AlphaPower]

So is the 30 Jun - 26 Jul OBLC really full? How do you know when you have a reserved spot? My NCO supposedly sent a request in for me about a month ago, but I still haven't heard anything via AKO, personal email, or otherwise.

That class was only open for enrollment a couple of weeks ago. So tell your NCO to submit your application again.

 

[notdeadyet]

That class was only open for enrollment a couple of weeks ago. So tell your NCO to submit your application again.

Agreed. You should get something via AKO saying that your request for enrollment was submitted within a week or so.

 

[ohio23]

I hope to be joining you all in TX this summer too. I just followed up with my recruiter for confirmation. I'll be one of the few "ma'ams" in the room... if they don't end up separating us by sex like boot camp.

I'm prior service and I got in writing from my recruiter as well as from Major Law (contact person listed in "the memo") that I do not incur any further service obligation. The reasoning we all agreed on was that prior service with 8 years in, who sign up to do 3 years ASR are already more than halfway to retirement and they know what they're in for, so they're more likely to stay in. That applies to my situation perfectly. I've got 10 years in now and have loved my time with the Guard; I'm a lifer and ASR was just icing on the cake (ditto with the upped HPLRP).

 

[bco001]

I talked to my ANG recruiter today about ASR, and I was told a few things that really don't add up with what I've read in this thread. First of all he said that 430 of 600 slots have been filled so it is really competitive for those last 170 slots. I told him that I had read that ASR was suspended and he said, "yes that was true, but it should open back up for those 170 prev. mentioned spots next Dec. or Jan. and the 170 chosen will be based off a merit based first come/first served basis." Later he said that only commissioned ANG members were eligible for ASR. I said, "so I have to sign up and be commissioned first before I can appy to ASR?" And he said yes. I said, "so ASR is like a big gamble. I have to sign up and hope I get ASR next January and if not I still have to serve 8 years in the Guard?" And he said YES. This sounds pretty fishy to me because I don't see how everyone would sign up risking a huge gamble like that. He also spent the next 30 min trying to sell me on STRAP/MDSSP. Anyone have any knowledge of this? I feel like I wasted an hour with a used car salesman.

 

[notdeadyet]

I talked to my ANG recruiter today about ASR, and I was told a few things that really don't add up with what I've read in this thread.

First up: ANG is Air National Guard. ARNG = Army National Guard.

First of all he said that 430 of 600 slots have been filled

I don't know where he's getting 430 from, as I've only been involved in the process two years. The last two years we hit the max of 200 each time. If we only did 30 the first year, that might be right, but I don't think it's accurate.

Moot point anyway, as the original program was for 200 slots/year max for three years. The three years came and went. The program is no longer active.

so it is really competitive for those last 170 slots.

No, I don't think so. The military is desperate for doctors. They will take pretty much anyone who meets standards. True for FAP, HPSP, HSCP, ASR, etc. If and when ASR comes back, they'll be taking folks who are in the queue. AOA won't cut for much.

I told him that I had read that ASR was suspended and he said, "yes that was true, but it should open back up for those 170 prev. mentioned spots next Dec. or Jan. and the 170 chosen will be based off a merit based first come/first served basis."

Ask for a memo he's gotten on that in writing. That's just scuttlebutt.

There are three possibilities for ASR, as I see it:

1. It won't start back up. Fits with the original plan and everything we've ever seen in writing.
2. It will start taking more applicants as people leave the program. That's the hope. We'll find out when folks start graduating from ASR in May. If that happens, you'd think we'd get word in March timeframe. Fingers crossed for folks hoping for this.
3. It will start again next fiscal year, which begins in October.

Later he said that only commissioned ANG members were eligible for ASR. I said, "so I have to sign up and be commissioned first before I can appy to ASR?" And he said yes.

Yes and no. You do have to be a commissioned ARNG to be eligible for ASR, but most folks swear in to join ASR. Anyone swearing in without knowing if ASR is coming back is taking a risk.

He also spent the next 30 min trying to sell me on STRAP/MDSSP.

Sure. Because those programs exist. ASR, right now, does not. Any state that will take your application is going to file it away and start dialing phone numbers when it gets renewed. Till then...

Anyone have any knowledge of this? I feel like I wasted an hour with a used car salesman.

Sounds like a bad recruiter. There are good ones and bad ones and plenty of both. Best of luck with your decision.

 

[DrMattOglesby]

wow, 40+ pages of information on the program! I am intimidated to read through it all...so I just want to ask a quick question as I don't feel it would be too common of a scenario:
is it possible to be in the national guard in Pennsylvania, but complete my training in California?
I am planning on being in California this summer, and would like to complete my training for the Guard while out there. My school is in Pennsylvania and I am advancing into my second year. Thanks for any help on this issue.

PS: do they give any type of consideration to married couples who join together AND attend the same med school?

 

[DeadCactus]

wow, 40+ pages of information on the program! I am intimidated to read through it all...so I just want to ask a quick question as I don't feel it would be too common of a scenario:
is it possible to be in the national guard in Pennsylvania, but complete my training in California?
I am planning on being in California this summer, and would like to complete my training for the Guard while out there. My school is in Pennsylvania and I am advancing into my second year. Thanks for any help on this issue.

PS: do they give any type of consideration to married couples who join together AND attend the same med school?

Just to be clear, the ASR program is currently on hold with a dubious future at best.

For you first question: What do you mean by training?

If you mean Officer Basic Leadership Course, then no. That it only held in San Antonio.

If you mean your normal weekend drilling duties, then I believe you can. You would clear it with you CO and attend drill with a unit in California. The unit in California would provide you a certificate to return to your CO to indicate you participated in a weekend drill. This prevents you from having to transfer units when you are away for a short term.



For your second question: What do you mean by consideration?

There's really no consideration to give. You're in the Guard. You live where you want to and work/go to school where you want to. If you move, you transfer to another unit. It's not like AD where they are in charge of where you live and work and so you have to hope they are able to keep a married couple geographically close.

If you mean some kind of cut-in-line on the application que if your SO is also applying, then no.

 

[DrMattOglesby]

Thank you for the response DC.
I had no idea that the ASR was on hold right now. I guess that means I can't apply to it but a part of me wonders what people are going to do whom are already enrolled in that program.

I guess my next best option, if not the ASR, is the Medical and Dental Student Stipend Program (MDSSP). However, they didn't give too much details on it aside from this short paragraph on their website:
"The Medical/Dental Student Stipend Program (MDSSP) is an incentive based program targeted to medical and dental students. This program will offer medical and dental students a monthly stipend of at least$1,990. In return, each participant will incur a one-year service obligation for every six months (or part thereof) for which they receive the stipend."
My only issue is--I don't know what the difference is between the MDSSP and the ASR. I will contact my local representative and try to find out what is currently available and to distinguish any differences.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I had no idea that the ASR was on hold right now.

I can see not reading EACH of the 40-whatever pages, but maybe it wouldn't hurt to read the last one or two.

 

[EMH]

By suspended it means they're not taking new ASRs. People in the program aren't affected. Some believe it will come back within the year (myself included), other believe it may be done.

If you're truly interested I'd suggest going back and reading the first few pages and the last few, there's a lot of information in here including several discussions of the MDSSP.

 

[notdeadyet]

If you're truly interested I'd suggest going back and reading the first few pages and the last few, there's a lot of information in here including several discussions of the MDSSP.

Agreed. And I'd recommend using the "Search this thread" feature and look for MDSSP. There was a lot of talk about it over the past few months as folks explored other possibilities. We went into great detail about the oblgiation and payback, which can be a bit tricky with MDSSP and STRAP.

 

[koojo]

I am also enrolled into the summer June 30 - July 26 OBLC. I received an email the other day saying there's only 10 slots left. Today I got saying I have a slot, and I checked ATRRS and it does say I have a reserved slot. You can check here: https://www.atrrs.army.mil/selfdevctr/login/loginSDC.aspx?nexturl=student%2fTrainingRecord.aspx , and login using your CAC/AKO. It should say this up top if you are in:

FY SCH CRS Phase CLS Reservation Status
2010 081 6-8-C20B (RC) 2 104 R - VALID RESERVATION

So what's the count, who from here is going for sure? Any other prior enlisted?

I've spent 4 months in Fort Sam Houston in the dead of the summer when I went through the combat medic school and it's HOT...especially when we head to the field at Camp Bullis...although when I was there last the big tents in the field had AC in them so its cool when you sleep. The PX on base is like a big walmart it's great. There's also a big clothing and sales if anyone needs uniforms. The food is pretty good at the dining hall... Let me know if you guys have any questions.

 

[TheWholeTooth]

I've spent 4 months in Fort Sam Houston in the dead of the summer when I went through the combat medic school and it's HOT

Which is worse -- July or August?

 

[koojo]

Which is worse -- July or August?

Honestly I think August was worse, but July was still pretty hot

 

[Luke4202]

I've been working on my application since August and its somewhat complicated by a history of asthma. I haven't been on anything for it since I was about 17 (I'm 25 now). So I got my medical records and my paperwork to my recruiter in August or September. She rarely responds to emails or phone calls and says that my file is really long and and they say the parts she sends them aren't suficcient and that she needs to send more of the file. Anyway, I figure I've given it just about enough time. Can I switch rectuiters? She's the recruiter for my region, can I use a rectuiter from another region? I already missed out on last year's open ASR spots and I assume that means I've missed out for good, but I would still like to serve my country. What would you guys recommend?

 

[koojo]

I've been working on my application since August and its somewhat complicated by a history of asthma. I haven't been on anything for it since I was about 17 (I'm 25 now). So I got my medical records and my paperwork to my recruiter in August or September. She rarely responds to emails or phone calls and says that my file is really long and and they say the parts she sends them aren't suficcient and that she needs to send more of the file. Anyway, I figure I've given it just about enough time. Can I switch rectuiters? She's the recruiter for my region, can I use a rectuiter from another region? I already missed out on last year's open ASR spots and I assume that means I've missed out for good, but I would still like to serve my country. What would you guys recommend?

I'm pretty sure if someone has already been working on your file that another recruiter won't just pick you up from scratch and start. You could if you want contact another recruiter and explain your situation and they might be able to look into it for you. That's what I would do.

 

[notdeadyet]

I'm pretty sure if someone has already been working on your file that another recruiter won't just pick you up from scratch and start. You could if you want contact another recruiter and explain your situation and they might be able to look into it for you. That's what I would do.

Yeah, you could try, but keep in mind you're applying for a program that isn't actually taking applicants anymore, so the recruiters aren't exactly incented to move heaven and earth for your file.

Are you interested in MDSSP or a program that's rolling? If you are, your recruiter might be more inclined to push it.

 

[Luke4202]

When this recruiter started on my file there were spots open. I have also told her that I'm willing to enroll in other programs. Getting the clock started on my 8 years is just as important to me as the incentives they are offering.

 

[notdeadyet]

Fair enough. This is an AMEDD recruiter you're working with, correct? What state are you in?

 

[EMH]

Have you been to MEPS yet or are you hung up there?

 

[Dr Funk]

I am also enrolled into the summer June 30 - July 26 OBLC. I received an email the other day saying there's only 10 slots left. Today I got saying I have a slot, and I checked ATRRS and it does say I have a reserved slot. You can check here: https://www.atrrs.army.mil/selfdevctr/login/loginSDC.aspx?nexturl=student/TrainingRecord.aspx , and login using your CAC/AKO. It should say this up top if you are in:

FY SCH CRS Phase CLS Reservation Status
2010 081 6-8-C20B (RC) 2 104 R - VALID RESERVATION

So what's the count, who from here is going for sure? Any other prior enlisted?

I've spent 4 months in Fort Sam Houston in the dead of the summer when I went through the combat medic school and it's HOT...especially when we head to the field at Camp Bullis...although when I was there last the big tents in the field had AC in them so its cool when you sleep. The PX on base is like a big walmart it's great. There's also a big clothing and sales if anyone needs uniforms. The food is pretty good at the dining hall... Let me know if you guys have any questions.

I got my reservation for the course this summer. I was surprised that it is less than a month. Another guy from my class is going as well. We are both prior service (me: Air Force Crew Chief; Classmate: SF Medic)

 

[n618ft]

Why is my recruiter keeping me in the dark right now? I'm gung-ho for MDSSP as well or just a simple direct commission. Med school starts in a 80 days and I'm getting a little antsy! Do they just call you one day and tell you "ok, you're god to go, here are your options for programs?"

 

[n618ft]

No. That's absolutely wrong. If you want ASR and only ASR and sign a contract before you have ASR, you screwed up. Some people join the Guard without accepting a student program to make a little money and wait for ASR.

If you signed up under MDSSP, you were ineligible for ASR. If the program is brought back, that rule is likely to remain. The rule is in a memo which has been posted several times in this thread...

If we want to sign up without accepting a student program, we can accept a student program like ASR or MDSSP at any point in the future?

 

[DeadCactus]

If we want to sign up without accepting a student program, we can accept a student program like ASR or MDSSP at any point in the future?

MDSSP can be accepted just about anytime you have time in school left.

I haven't seen any ASR sources that draw the line for that situation as clearly as it's drawn for MDSSP.

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/arng/ocs/forms/DG_ASR_program.pdf

Section 9 clearly excludes MDSSP participants. The wording under eligibility (section 5) isn't as clear cut in what the definition of "newly accessed" is. I believe it's possible, but I wouldn't feel confident telling you it's a sure thing especially if ASR doesn't return quickly.

My general attitude is to withhold your signature until you have a deal that satisfies you. Once you sign, all you can really do is ask nicely...

 

[n618ft]

MDSSP can be accepted just about anytime you have time in school left.

I haven't seen any ASR sources that draw the line for that situation as clearly as it's drawn for MDSSP.

http://www.dmna.state.ny.us/arng/ocs/forms/DG_ASR_program.pdf

Section 9 clearly excludes MDSSP participants. The wording under eligibility (section 5) isn't as clear cut in what the definition of "newly accessed" is. I believe it's possible, but I wouldn't feel confident telling you it's a sure thing especially if ASR doesn't return quickly.

My general attitude is to withhold your signature until you have a deal that satisfies you. Once you sign, all you can really do is ask nicely...

Yea, I saw the newly accessed part... hm. Bit of a gray area. I think MDSSP is a sweet deal for someone looking to serve any way. Stipend + drilling can add up to a pretty penny if you live in a cheap area like I will be. After the GI bill, I'll owe 15k a year for tuition (assuming my living expenses are within the stipend money).

So now the question is... has anyone on here been signed up for ASR some time after a commission if you weren't in a student program already?

 

[MsTaco]

Hey quick question...I tried searching the forum for this but couldn't find anything, so sorry if it's been addressed before. How does the MDSSP stipend affect your financial aid eligibility? Does it count as "salary" like the ASR program did, so it affects only your expected family contribution but doesn't eat into your loan eligibility? Or is it like the HPSP, in that it counts as "financial aid" toward your cost of attendance package at a school and thus decreases the amount of loans from other sources you are eligible for?

 

[notdeadyet]

Yea, I saw the newly accessed part... hm. Bit of a gray area.

Agreed. And keep in mind that if the National Guard has ZERO incentive to take someone out of MDSSP and put them in ASR. This will not change.

As for taking someone into ASR from the line? I don't know, but there's not really any incentive to do so unless it's to get someone to re-up who they don't want to see leave. I'd be very careful about that...

 

[notdeadyet]

Does it count as "salary" like the ASR program did, so it affects only your expected family contribution but doesn't eat into your loan eligibility?

ASR, MDSSP, STRAP and other programs pay you money for your commitment. This gets declared as income. That income increases your estimated family contribution (EFC), but a higher EFC does not affect how much you can take out in loans, it only affects how much of your loan is subsidized vs. unsubsidized.

Or is it like the HPSP, in that it counts as "financial aid" toward your cost of attendance package at a school and thus decreases the amount of loans from other sources you are eligible for?

That is only true for a small number of schools, who are, in my opinion, kinda being $hitty about the whole thing. Any school can control what your total cost of attendance is. Schools that adjust the TCA for HPSP students could do the same for ASR folks if they wanted to, but very, very few schools do. Most students on HPSP can take out additional funds up to a total of the living expenses portion of their TCA, though most of it would be unsubsidized.

 

[MsTaco]

Thanks, that answered my questions perfectly. Last question...does anyone know an AMEDD recruiter or ASR in Louisiana? I think I'm about to start the process there.

 

[msml]

anyone join as you were about to start residency?
wondering how you worked going to training, etc into your residency year

 

[BigRedDeal]

I'm a senior AROTC cadet with an educational delay ( which means my 4 years of AD and 4 years IRR doesn't start until after residency) to go to med school. I'm wondering if I could theoretically do MDSSP for 2.5 years, complete the 5 year Army NG service obligation while at a 5 year residency, and then continue on to my active duty obligation after residency? I might have to talk with a recruiter to figure this one out. Anyways, I'm really going to miss the army while I'm getting an MD and completing residency. I'm hoping drilling with Army NG would help.

 

[DeadCactus]

I've gotten word that the seats for this summers OBLC are full. Just a heads up. May still be possible to wiggle in a few more people, so I wouldn't give up if you want to go.

 

[KoopaT89]

I know this is the ASR thread, but I have a quick question about MDSSP. I remember reading some where on these forums that you are exempt from mobilization during residency, but do they require you to drill every month (during residency that is)? Or do you get put on the flexi-training where you can drill roughly once every 3? Or do I have that completely wrong?

 

[Barium56]

I know this is the ASR thread, but I have a quick question about MDSSP. I remember reading some where on these forums that you are exempt from mobilization during residency, but do they require you to drill every month (during residency that is)? Or do you get put on the flexi-training where you can drill roughly once every 3? Or do I have that completely wrong?

In my unit, the residents do flex-training and show up whenever they can. You may want to check with your state, it sounds like there is a lot of variability state-to-state.

 

[notdeadyet]

In my unit, the residents do flex-training and show up whenever they can. You may want to check with your state, it sounds like there is a lot of variability state-to-state.

Agree with this ^^^.

MDSSP and STRAP are both covered by Flexi-training, as is ASR. But flexi-training specifically indicates that it is up to the discretion of your CO.

Check with your states. The amount of time they expect you to drill varies a lot state-by-state. Some states in general have a pretty lax National Guard, and others are very hooah. It's worth looking into yours to get an idea of what sort of commitment they'll expect.

 

[DeadCactus]

Can anyone confirm that those making it to OBLC this summer don't have to complete the Phase 1 Distance Learning module? Pretty sure I'm reading it right and that we're grandfathered in. Would like to confirm my understanding though...

 

[TheWholeTooth]

Can anyone confirm that those making it to OBLC this summer don't have to complete the Phase 1 Distance Learning module?

Yes, that is definitely my understanding. Phew. 🙂

Has any ASR out there done any kind of recruiting activities? Like, staffed an info booth or a table? What did you wear? I don't think a full-on ACU is going to be good bait at my school, and a polo shirt with khakis always looks a little like I'm trying to sell insurance. Mission Zone has lab coats, but, you know, that'd be a bit weird in a busy hallway. I was thinking about ACU scrub top with ACU pants. Does anyone have any thoughts about or experience with this?

 

[notdeadyet]

Has any ASR out there done any kind of recruiting activities? Like, staffed an info booth or a table?

Many.

What did you wear?

Depends. At things that have a lot of booths, I usually wore ACUs. If there's anything that has a lot of Guard recruiters already in uniform, I'll sometimes wear business attire.

I don't think a full-on ACU is going to be good bait at my school,

I wouldn't worry about that. Anyone who gets freaked out by the site of the uniform is not a good recruit for the Guard. I think business-fying the experience is detrimental, personally.

and a polo shirt with khakis always looks a little like I'm trying to sell insurance.

Totally agree with you there.

I was thinking about ACU scrub top with ACU pants.

Oh god, don't do that. For one thing, the ACU pants are part of the ACU uniform. If you're talking about mixing those pants with a camo scrub top, it's not regulation.

You can wear all camo scrubs if you want, but I think it's silly looking (how sterile is the battlefield, anyway?). You can also wear the full ACU. Or you can wear business attire. You can do the casual polo shirt thing.

Personally, my attitude is to either look military (ACUs) or professional (business attire).

 

[TheWholeTooth]

Anyone who gets freaked out by the site of the uniform is not a good recruit for the Guard.

I don't mean I think it freaks them out -- just trying to cast the net as widely as possible. I want prospectives to think, "Oh! Healthcare professional! Maybe there's something there for me." As opposed to, "Yeah, I saw The Hurt Locker. I don't want to go to Iraq." A LOT of people have a LOT of misconceptions/wrong information about military health care professionals, so I'm looking for ways to get that "No way would I join the military" population to pause, maybe stop and pick up a brochure.

Some nurses on duty wear the scrub top with ACU pants. On them it looks good. (But so do Class A's and B's.)

 

[notdeadyet]

I don't mean I think it freaks them out -- just trying to cast the net as widely as possible. I want prospectives to think, "Oh! Healthcare professional! Maybe there's something there for me." As opposed to, "Yeah, I saw The Hurt Locker. I don't want to go to Iraq."

Good point. I just figure if they couldn't get past the uniform to hear the message, they probably wouldn't end up signing even if I was wearing my Best Buy polo shirt.

Some nurses on duty wear the scrub top with ACU pants. On them it looks good. (But so do Class A's and B's.)

Hmmm... In the Guard, from regs I've read, they're out of uniform. And at a certain point, if they're fine wearing non-scrub bottoms (wearing them home every night), they would probably be fine with non-scrub tops.

True story: I was rotating at an Air Force hospital in which the docs came on base wearing their BDUs (=ACUs). When they got there, they took off the jacket and put a white coat over their tee and saw patient. Logical, yes? I asked the chain of command if I could do the same, and was told it was fine as long as I wore the jacket underneath the white coat. Yeah...

Point is the regs were pretty specific that you wear the entire ACU or none of it, not mix and matching. The exceptions I read were for specific duties in high temperature environments.

Agree with you on some nurses making scrubs look good. Haven't met any that pulled it off ACUs. And it would have to be a damn fine woman to make the new ASU look good.

 

[EMH]

When I do this I just wear shirt and tie with my name tag on a national guard neck lanyard which I got from recruiting and a pin.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

There is section of 670-1 specific to medical personnel and hospital wear, if issues come up.

Does anyone know what TA-50 is issued at OBLC, or what we are authorized beyond what is on the packing list from the welcome letter. Says you can bring your own, but doesn't say what. I've seen pics, but I have no idea if these are RC folks or AD. Course length I'm sure changes what is necessary.

 

[ohio23]

Does anyone have a realistic packing list for OBLC? For instance are 2 pairs of boots really necessary? Anything we should bring that isn't listed?

Any clue on the living arrangements and daily schedule?

See you all this summer!