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Hey quick question about the Navy HPSP, and I apologize if this has been asked before. When you're stationed overseas (Japan, etc.), are you allowed to live off base?
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Bump.

I haven't posted in a while, but I'm starting my 3rd year of dental school under the HSCP. I had 8-9 years prior service in the URL (aviation, NFO).

I can confirm much of what has been posted in this thread re: my earlier questions.

OCONUS leave is really more trouble than it's worth. Unless you have a really, really compelling reason to leave the country, just don't bother. Just bank the leave and be happy that you'll already be at 4 years of service with 60 days of leave on the books when you graduate (compared with your HPSP counterparts, who will make less money due to less time in service and have zero leave)

For traveling in the continental US (CONUS) during breaks, you just have to tell your recruiter where you are and there is no need to submit a leave chit. They absolutely do NOT bother you with random BS in your time off from school (a la GMT), with the exception of the physical fitness test (PRT) twice a year. I was also forced to receive a brief on the new retirement system, even though I was at 11 years of service when the new system came online. (Why would someone with 11 years of NOT paying into the matching funds system even consider this???)

The hardest part of the PRT is getting a PHA (physical exam) done. I'm spoiled from my old aviation service I guess, because whenever I needed medical attention I went to flight medicine and was always seen right away, or could schedule an appointment for a physical. My first year I had a nightmare of an experience getting my PHA done; had to wait 3 hours in line because they don't make PHA appointments, all to be told all they needed was a dental exam and an HIV screen...but of course by then the dental clinic was closed and I had to drive all the way from UF to NAS Jax again to get the dental exam done.

This year they changed the policy and I was able to have my civilian doc do my PHA. Much easier.

You are also subject to being called in for drug tests, though we've always been given a few days notice (this is EXTREMELY different from how it works in the real navy, as giving people 2 to 3 days notice before a drug test defeats the purpose of a drug test, except for heavy marijuana smokers). It's happened twice in my 2 years so far, and both times it was during a break, do not assume this will always be the case, as you will be lumped in with collegiates from many different schools all assigned to your NRD and the break schedules will not line up. I just got lucky. Theoretically they could schedule the piss test for the day of a big exam or clinical event.

HSCP really is the way to go for prior service bubbas and anyone even remotely considering making a full 20 year career of it. If you are prior service and haven't used it, the Post 9/11 GI Bill will pay your tuition (100% if you're in-state, which as an active duty service member you will be virtually anywhere that has in-state tuition), and you'll literally be getting paid to go to school. If you have no prior service but think you may entertain going for the full 20, realize that with HSCP you're 20% of the way done on the day you begin. 25% if you do an AEGD.

Another note on the post 9/11 GI Bill. It only runs for 36 calendar months, so normally it would run out at the beginning of the fourth year and you'd be on the hook for all that tuition. However, at my school they don't charge tuition in the summer - summer tuition is prorated into the fall and spring. Thus I've turned my GI Bill off this summer which will extend four months, covering the D4 fall entirely and extending it into my final semester. As long as you have at least one day of GI Bill left when the semester begins, your tuition that semester is 100% covered. So, I will have to pay my 3,000$ instrument leasing fee this summer, but will later save 42,000 in tuition. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to pop into the thread with some real life anecdotes about HSCP, especially as a prior service dentist.
 
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willwash said:
Bump.

I haven't posted in a while, but I'm starting my 3rd year of dental school under the HSCP. I had 8-9 years prior service in the URL (aviation, NFO).

I can confirm much of what has been posted in this thread re: my earlier questions.

OCONUS leave is really more trouble than it's worth. Unless you have a really, really compelling reason to leave the country, just don't bother. Just bank the leave and be happy that you'll already be at 4 years of service with 60 days of leave on the books when you graduate (compared with your HPSP counterparts, who will make less money due to less time in service and have zero leave)

For traveling in the continental US (CONUS) during breaks, you just have to tell your recruiter where you are and there is no need to submit a leave chit. They absolutely do NOT bother you with random BS in your time off from school (a la GMT), with the exception of the physical fitness test (PRT) twice a year. I was also forced to receive a brief on the new retirement system, even though I was at 11 years of service when the new system came online. (Why would someone with 11 years of NOT paying into the matching funds system even consider this???)

The hardest part of the PRT is getting a PHA (physical exam) done. I'm spoiled from my old aviation service I guess, because whenever I needed medical attention I went to flight medicine and was always seen right away, or could schedule an appointment for a physical. My first year I had a nightmare of an experience getting my PHA done; had to wait 3 hours in line because they don't make PHA appointments, all to be told all they needed was a dental exam and an HIV screen...but of course by then the dental clinic was closed and I had to drive all the way from UF to NAS Jax again to get the dental exam done.

This year they changed the policy and I was able to have my civilian doc do my PHA. Much easier.

You are also subject to being called in for drug tests, though we've always been given a few days notice (this is EXTREMELY different from how it works in the real navy, as giving people 2 to 3 days notice before a drug test defeats the purpose of a drug test, except for heavy marijuana smokers). It's happened twice in my 2 years so far, and both times it was during a break, do not assume this will always be the case, as you will be lumped in with collegiates from many different schools all assigned to your NRD and the break schedules will not line up. I just got lucky. Theoretically they could schedule the piss test for the day of a big exam or clinical event.

HSCP really is the way to go for prior service bubbas and anyone even remotely considering making a full 20 year career of it. If you are prior service and haven't used it, the Post 9/11 GI Bill will pay your tuition (100% if you're in-state, which as an active duty service member you will be virtually anywhere that has in-state tuition), and you'll literally be getting paid to go to school. If you have no prior service but think you may entertain going for the full 20, realize that with HSCP you're 20% of the way done on the day you begin. 25% if you do an AEGD.

Another note on the post 9/11 GI Bill. It only runs for 36 calendar months, so normally it would run out at the beginning of the fourth year and you'd be on the hook for all that tuition. However, at my school they don't charge tuition in the summer - summer tuition is prorated into the fall and spring. Thus I've turned my GI Bill off this summer which will extend four months, covering the D4 fall entirely and extending it into my final semester. As long as you have at least one day of GI Bill left when the semester begins, your tuition that semester is 100% covered. So, I will have to pay my 3,000$ instrument leasing fee this summer, but will later save 42,000 in tuition. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to pop into the thread with some real life anecdotes about HSCP, especially as a prior service dentist.
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So E-7 pay over 10yrs (the 12yr jump is nice), full medical coverage, GI Bill covering all your tuition, and you will only need to put in 7 years until you are retirement eligible. I’m guessing you will also be coming in as a LCDR and will be up for CDR in 3-4 years? HSCP really is the best deal out there for prior service folks.
 
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So E-7 pay over 10yrs (the 12yr jump is nice), full medical coverage, GI Bill covering all your tuition, and you will only need to put in 7 years until you are retirement eligible. I’m guessing you will also be coming in as a LCDR and will be up for CDR in 3-4 years? HSCP really is the best deal out there for prior service folks.
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You summed it up pretty well. Except I'll still be a LT upon graduation, though I will get credit for my prior service in the grade of LT towards early promotion.

One other point worth mentioning, by the time I complete my AEGD and the scholarship payback and become eligible for retention bonuses I'll be at 18 years. So of course I'm going to stay to 20 even if they didn't pay me RB.

If I take the 2 year RB for 13k/year for 2 years that's just free money for not even staying in longer than I otherwise would.

If I take the 4 year RB at 25k/year for 4 years, I do end up committing to some extra time (staying to 22), but only 2 years beyond what I was going to do anyway. I get "credit" (in the form of higher bonus payments) for 4 extra years even though I'm "really" only doing 2. The problem with that is I'll have only put on CDR a year or so prior to that, so if I want full CDR retirement I have to stay yet an additional 2 years.
 
willwash said:
You summed it up pretty well. Except I'll still be a LT upon graduation, though I will get credit for my prior service in the grade of LT towards early promotion.
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Ahh I counted wrong. So you’ll put on LCDR around 18 months after graduating.

Have you thought about applying for a Comp residency? You’ll get specialty pay once you finish, and by the time you pay your time back you’ll be at 19 years and getting ready for retirement. Just don’t take your incentive pay that year because it will add 3 months to your obligation (specialist or not). If you choose to stay in longer for a higher retirement, the RB would be $50K/year. That’s significantly higher considering you were planning to stay in that long anyway. By that point you will have been a CDR for 3 years.

Just spitballing some ideas
 
Hey guys,

I'm considering applying for the Navy HPSP 3 year program. Would anyone happen to know about how much time is spent during service being on an actual ship? And did anyone ever have any issues with sea sickness?

Thanks in advance!
 
whatisit350 said:
Hey guys,

I'm considering applying for the Navy HPSP 3 year program. Would anyone happen to know about how much time is spent during service being on an actual ship? And did anyone ever have any issues with sea sickness?

Thanks in advance!
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The 3 Year slots are reserved for those recommended for the 4 year program but did not have enough slots
 
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schmoob said:
Ahh I counted wrong. So you’ll put on LCDR around 18 months after graduating.

Have you thought about applying for a Comp residency? You’ll get specialty pay once you finish, and by the time you pay your time back you’ll be at 19 years and getting ready for retirement. Just don’t take your incentive pay that year because it will add 3 months to your obligation (specialist or not). If you choose to stay in longer for a higher retirement, the RB would be $50K/year. That’s significantly higher considering you were planning to stay in that long anyway. By that point you will have been a CDR for 3 years.

Just spitballing some ideas
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Interested. I've never heard of a "comp" residency. I thought my choices were credentialing tour, GPR/AEGD, or specialize.

Cursory google search reveals nothing.

Can you link a source or oblige me and describe what is meant, exactly, by "comp" residency?
 
How do other officers and enlisted personnel treat openly gay dentists in the navy? The military in general is very hypermasculine and very heteronormative
 
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How do other officers and enlisted personnel treat openly gay dentists in the navy? The military in general is very hypermasculine and very heteronormative
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You’re more likely to be discriminated against in the military for having common sense. The Machine sees this as a direct threat to its survival and crushes it on the spot. Trust me.

Seriously though, you’ll be fine. There are a few openly gay Sailors at my clinic and absolutely no one cares. Do you do your job well? Yes? Then we’re good to go.

Big Hoss
 
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You’re more likely to be discriminated against in the military for having common sense. The Machine sees this as a direct threat to its survival and crushes it on the spot. Trust me.

Seriously though, you’ll be fine. There are a few openly gay Sailors at my clinic and absolutely no one cares. Do you do your job well? Yes? Then we’re good to go.

Big Hoss
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Thanks for the advice!
is that you in your default pic?
 
Talked to an army recruiter yesterday and an AF recruiter today. Army said for 3 yr. HPSP it is required to APPLY for AEGD but don't have to accept, and AF said that for their 3 yr. HPSP it is required to both apply and accept for AEGD (or other residency for which my chances would be slim). Does this sound right? What is the case for Navy?

I understand that AEGD may be super beneficial, but it would be nice to know if I'd have flexibility to make a choice as I am finishing dental school and know what my interests and strengths/weaknesses are.
 
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Talked to an army recruiter yesterday and an AF recruiter today. Army said for 3 yr. HPSP it is required to APPLY for AEGD but don't have to accept, and AF said that for their 3 yr. HPSP it is required to both apply and accept for AEGD (or other residency for which my chances would be slim). Does this sound right? What is the case for Navy?

I understand that AEGD may be super beneficial, but it would be nice to know if I'd have flexibility to make a choice as I am finishing dental school and know what my interests and strengths/weaknesses are.
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What you mentioned above regarding applying for residency is correct. For the navy you are not required to apply.
 
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AEGD residency in the Navy is 1-year, correct? Are slots available to everyone who applies or are there some who are not able to get a slot each year? Which locations typically house the AEGD program? Once the 1-year residency is complete, do we typically get reassigned to a new location or stay for the full 3 years until a new assignment is issued?
 
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AEGD residency in the Navy is 1-year, correct? Are slots available to everyone who applies or are there some who are not able to get a slot each year? Which locations typically house the AEGD program? Once the 1-year residency is complete, do we typically get reassigned to a new location or stay for the full 3 years until a new assignment is issued?
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You are not guaranteed a spot but chances are pretty good.
Locations can be in Norfolk, Great Lakes, Pendleton, Sam Diego, Paris island
Depending on the location of your aegd it’s possible to get an extension.
 
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Current 1st year dental student and HPSP recipient. I was just wondering what my 4 years of payback are going to look like. Mainly what the chances are of me going overseas or being on a ship. I know there are tons of bases along the coasts and what not and really I was just wondering where I will most likely spend my 4 years. Thanks
 
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Current 1st year dental student and HPSP recipient. I was just wondering what my 4 years of payback are going to look like. Mainly what the chances are of me going overseas or being on a ship. I know there are tons of bases along the coasts and what not and really I was just wondering where I will most likely spend my 4 years. Thanks
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Many of the nice billets stateside will be eliminated later this year and next year. Seriously, around 40% of the dentist billets in San Diego are going away. The Navy is cutting at least 10% of dental officer billets and these cuts can't come from overseas, ships, and the Marines. The odds of you being stationed overseas or on a ship are going to be much, much higher by the time you hit the Fleet. Big changes are headed for military medicine...buckle up.

Big Hoss
 
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Many of the nice billets stateside will be eliminated later this year and next year. Seriously, around 40% of the dentist billets in San Diego are going away. The Navy is cutting at least 10% of dental officer billets and these cuts can't come from overseas, ships, and the Marines. The odds of you being stationed overseas or on a ship are going to be much, much higher by the time you hit the Fleet. Big changes are headed for military medicine...buckle up.

Big Hoss
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So where will all these Navy dentist go if all these billets are cut?
 
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5331 said:
Current 1st year dental student and HPSP recipient. I was just wondering what my 4 years of payback are going to look like. Mainly what the chances are of me going overseas or being on a ship. I know there are tons of bases along the coasts and what not and really I was just wondering where I will most likely spend my 4 years. Thanks
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First year will be a credentialing tour or AEGD/GPR in the states in the big clinic or hospital. Next two years will be ship or operational(overseas or stateside with marines) but I have seen some people got non operational orders state side but this is rare. The last year I believe will be in the states or could be an extension of your operational order wherever it may be.

There are variety of billets available each year and generally it’s not that difficult to get your top 5-6 bases.

I have been able to get at least one of the bases in my top4-5 so far for credentialing and operational orders.
 
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First year will be a credentialing tour or AEGD/GPR in the states in the big clinic or hospital. Next two years will be ship or operational(overseas or stateside with marines) but I have seen some people got non operational orders state side but this is rare. The last year I believe will be in the states or could be an extension of your operational order wherever it may be.

There are variety of billets available each year and generally it’s not that difficult to get your top 5-6 bases.

I have been able to get at least one of the bases in my top4-5 so far for credentialing and operational orders.
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When stationed with a ship or operational, how often and for long are you usually deployed? Whats a common frequency and time of deployment?
 
Did anyone in here receive a 3-year HPSP when all the 4-years ran out and used the 3-year to cover all 4 years of tuition? My understanding is that 3-year still covers all 4 but doesn’t disburse funds and stipend until Oct the fall you matriculate. Is this accurate? Did your school require you to pay the first year of tuition with loans and then get reimbursed, or was your school willing to wait until Oct when you showed proof that you received the Navy HPSP?

Also, when you finish your years of active duty payback and you decide to stay more years, I believe I saw there will be bonus pay - what is this amount?
 
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Did anyone in here receive a 3-year HPSP when all the 4-years ran out and used the 3-year to cover all 4 years of tuition? My understanding is that 3-year still covers all 4 but doesn’t disburse funds and stipend until Oct the fall you matriculate. Is this accurate? Did your school require you to pay the first year of tuition with loans and then get reimbursed, or was your school willing to wait until Oct when you showed proof that you received the Navy HPSP?

Also, when you finish your years of active duty payback and you decide to stay more years, I believe I saw there will be bonus pay - what is this amount?
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Speaking from a personal experience.
Was in the HPSP selection cycle during the 2013 shutdown. I got the selection call after my fall semester was already over and commissioned in the following semester. At the time of commissioning, I was given the option to either "3 yr scholarship" vs "3.5 yr scholarship + signing bonus" but the Navy was not going to pay for my Fall semester tuition since I did not commission during the Fall semester.

Still picked the latter option for the extra spring semester pay + signing bonus but the Navy did not go out of their way to pay for the completed fall semester. Way the pay system goes is by the date you signed your name on the contract. 3 yr scholarship will not pay for 4 yrs of dental school.

However, I have heard stories of a HSCP scholarship recipient going to a state school that was able to pay off his dental school loans in time with his pay. Again its case by case but if you are speaking of private school probably not happening.
 
Is there a list of possible locations to be stationed? This thread is crazy long so I’m sorry if I’ve overlooked it
 
Hi I’m currently an enlisted Marine, accepted into UNC and named an alternate for the Navy HPSP this year. I had a question based on one users comment of the Navy making cuts to dental, that most of the cuts were blueside and not the Marines. Does that still seem to be the case? Being a prior marine and having a willingness to go greenside, I would choose that route if i was asked. I guess I’m wondering how the process works once you graduate, how they choose who goes where. I know it’s 4 years off, but I am curious as to how that works.
 
You’ll have a list of places you can pick. It isn’t hard to get a greenside billet. Lots of billets will be lost but by and large it should affect green billets less than blueside shore clinics
 
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How hard is is to get assigned to the Marines?

My sister and her husband are both Marine corps captains and I think it would be really cool to be with the marines.
 
averageasian said:
How hard is is to get assigned to the Marines?

My sister and her husband are both Marine corps captains and I think it would be really cool to be with the marines.
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It's really not that hard to do.. if you are trying to do an AEGD program, Camp Lejeune is what i like to call a Hybrid billet because it has both green side and blue side Corpsman. You will be serving the Marines there but obviously attached to a Navy command. You will be eligible to get your FMF Pin.
 
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Just some info for those asking about ship and sea duty. As said, deployments are generally 6-7 months now a days. Used to be up to 9 months. However, what you are probably not aware of are the “work up periods”. The year prior to deployment the ship and its assigned units need to receive the proper certifications to deploy. To do the proper training exercises and evolutions you have to be out to sea. So if you get assigned to a ship during its “pre workup phase” you could very well be out to sea over half your time assigned to the ship. I was gone 14/24 months during my ship assignment including 3 fleet weeks. Some people sit in the yards for 24 months. Just something to be aware of.

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Hello!
I am currently a 2nd year HPSP dental student interested in Endo. Does anyone have information regarding the program offered at Walter Reed or have the contact of any residents that I could contact with questions? (Note: also interested in OMFS, goal is to matriculate directly out of dental school as to avoid the PGY-1 year and capitalize on concurrent payback since I know that I want to specialize).
Thanks in advance for any info/help!
 
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Hello!
I am currently a 2nd year HPSP dental student interested in Endo. Does anyone have information regarding the program offered at Walter Reed or have the contact of any residents that I could contact with questions? (Note: also interested in OMFS, goal is to matriculate directly out of dental school as to avoid the PGY-1 year and capitalize on concurrent payback since I know that I want to specialize).
Thanks in advance for any info/help!
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OMFS is possible directly out of school, and that’s about it. The military is reducing the number of specialists and these residencies are used to reward performance. What have you done for the Navy to earn it?

Good friggin’ luck getting endo right out of school. The Navy is slated to cut 25% of endodontists. There are probably going to be the same number of applicants every year for a reduced number of training slots, so expect 10 applicants per 1 spot. Plan on serving 2-3 years of active duty before you even have a chance.

Big Hoss
 
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Hello!
I am currently a 2nd year HPSP dental student interested in Endo. Does anyone have information regarding the program offered at Walter Reed or have the contact of any residents that I could contact with questions? (Note: also interested in OMFS, goal is to matriculate directly out of dental school as to avoid the PGY-1 year and capitalize on concurrent payback since I know that I want to specialize).
Thanks in advance for any info/help!
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And keep in mind that even though endo is a 2 year residency, the payback is 3 years.
 
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If I receive my scholarship, once I graduate and am a Navy dentist can I work on family?Father, sisters, grandparents? Or is it only Navy personnel and immediate family?
 
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If I receive my scholarship, once I graduate and am a Navy dentist can I work on family?Father, sisters, grandparents? Or is it only Navy personnel and immediate family?
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They are paying you to take care of active duty personnel, and their families overseas.

Big Hoss
 
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A couple of questions:
1) Is it true that all Navy 3 year HPSP Scholarships are only awarded to people waitisted for the 4 year Navy scholarship the year before? Does Army and AF have the same policy for 3 year HPSP Scholarships?
2) How competitive is it to get a 3 year HPSP scholarship from any branch? How many positions and applicants are there each year? If any of you have been awarded the 3 year scholarship, please personal message me. I have more questions for you!
3) Do 2 year HPSP scholarships with a 3 year payback period exist for dental school? If so, how competitive are these scholarships?
4) Let's say I am selected for an HPSP scholarship in late January. Is it possible for me to tell the military something around the lines of "I will not accept the scholarship until I am notified of an acceptance from my top dental school (which could realistically be up until April)"?
5) Is it too late to apply for a 4 year Navy scholarship now?
 
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A couple of questions:
1) Is it true that all Navy 3 year HPSP Scholarships are only awarded to people waitisted for the 4 year Navy scholarship the year before? Does Army and AF have the same policy for 3 year HPSP Scholarships?
2) How competitive is it to get a 3 year HPSP scholarship from any branch? How many positions and applicants are there each year? If any of you have been awarded the 3 year scholarship, please personal message me. I have more questions for you!
3) Do 2 year HPSP scholarships with a 3 year payback period exist for dental school? If so, how competitive are these scholarships?
4) Let's say I am selected for an HPSP scholarship in late January. Is it possible for me to tell the military something around the lines of "I will not accept the scholarship until I am notified of an acceptance from my top dental school (which could realistically be up until April)"?
5) Is it too late to apply for a 4 year Navy scholarship now?
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Note: Contact a Navy health professions recruiter to get the best answers/verified answers.

Note2: The Navy is reducing its scholarships by nearly 50% for this year, I imagine this is also happening across other branches due to overmanning of general dental officers in the grade O-3 and the billet/manning cuts across military medicine and dentistry due to the DHA.

1) Not from my experience. Not for the Air Force, no clue what the Army does in terms of scholarships.

2) This is really impossible to qualify. Scholarships are all competitive, but I would say if you talk to the recruiters EARLY and know you are competitive to get into DENTAL SCHOOL, then you are likely going to be competitive for a scholarship.

3) I've heard myths about these, but never knew anyone with a 2 year scholarship in the last 8+ years.

4) Of course it is possible to tell them that, but you may be risking not getting a scholarship at all if you sit on the decision to accept it, see my Note2 above, it is going to get more competitive and there will be less scholarships.

4a) My advice: make a firm decision after some serious personal introspection; is it more important that I get that HPSP scholarship or more important that I get my top dental school? Personally I took the HPSP over my top school, it was more important for me to simply get my dental degree and be nearly debt free than the name of the dental school on my diploma.

5) It's never too late to apply for a 4 year scholarship; caveat, that doesn't mean you will get one, and the chances are greater that you will end up on a waitlist for one the later you wait. Make sure to speak to all 4 branches (I include Public Health in this).
 
Hello, I'm a civilian BDS graduate and getting married to a Leiutenant Commander in Indian Navy soon. As a dentist, I'm really worried about my career post marriage. Can you please guide me as to is there any scope for me to join na y as a civilian dentist on contract basis? If yes, then what's the procedure?
If no, then what will be my career prospects other than this???

Thanks and regards.

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singhtejaswinius92 said:
Hello, I'm a civilian BDS graduate and getting married to a Leiutenant Commander in Indian Navy soon. As a dentist, I'm really worried about my career post marriage. Can you please guide me as to is there any scope for me to join na y as a civilian dentist on contract basis? If yes, then what's the procedure?
If no, then what will be my career prospects other than this???

Thanks and regards.

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This is a forum for American/US Navy careers

There are very limited information regarding other country's information on their manning and billeting information

Please seek other forums for details regarding indian Navy


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