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From what I understand, the HPSP spots were already given out a while ago. I thought that most people start the application for HPSP while applying to d-school so that the spots are assigned around October. I just started thinking about the military option recently, when it seemed that I was going to NYU. If I can file my application in time for a 4 year HPSP, I would definitely do it. Forgive my ignorance, what exactly are clerkships? Also sorry about the lack of knowledge about the terms, I knew the 45 days weren't a deployment, just some kind of basic training for the health professions. I didn't know you could get 45 day active duty pay for attending school. thanks for the info

I wasn't bagging on you for the terminology, sorry if it came across that way. If I were you, I would call NYU and get the name of the recruiter that the school works with. Have them send you the application and get started on it. There are alot of things that can happen between now and when the school year starts. If in fact all of the scholarships are given out, until school starts things could change. Anyway my point is, don't count yourself out and the only way to get a scholarship is to have your application done. For instance with the Air Force they have an alternate list and generally end up pulling from the alt list for scholarships. If everything was cut and dry they woulnd't need to pull from the alt list, get my point?

A clerkship is bascially going to a dental clinic or residency program for 2 - 6 weeks to observe and check out military dentistry, it's a pretty good deal. If you do it during your AT time and commit to atleast 2 weeks, the Navy will pay for your travel, lodging and food.

The 45 days AT is paid to you regardless if you have breaks or not. If you have time off they encourage you to complete ODS/clerkships. If your school doesn't have 45 days off they pay you to stay in school.

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Also, after graduating what are the chances of going to Japan? I think I read, for people in Japan, everyone usually performs at least one 6 month stint in clinics of combat zones? For the ship tours, how long are the stops in the overseas ports?

Still curious about this. Also, if I do an AEGD in the states, is it still possible to go to Japan?
 
Still curious about this. Also, if I do an AEGD in the states, is it still possible to go to Japan?

Depends on the needs of the Navy, but typically I think yes. A buddy of mine just finished a GPR at Camp Pendleton and got orders to Okinawa.
 
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it varies from year to year, depending on who got pregnant, who got picked up for training, etc. but since most young O-3 orders are written for 24 months. (overseas is an exception) you can kind of predict which side will be heaviest. this upcoming cycle (FY10) should be fairly heavily blue, especially becasue the Navy has been buying back billets from the Marines.

if you are doing a PGY-1 program, you might want to consider your desires for your follow-on orders. its not a hard and fast rule, but detailers might lean toward leaving you in the geographical area where you alrady are so they dont have to spend their pot of money moving you to your next duty station. (example: AEGD in Pendleton leads to orders with one of the dental battalions out there). im not sure if PGY-1 billets are considered green or blue per se but they can affect where you go afterwards. its easy enough to find exceptions to this thought, but it makes since to consider.
So if I graduate in 2012(which would likely be more heavily blue as in alternating years) it would be wise for me to apply to 1 year AEGD's and 1 year GPR's at places like Camp Pendleton or Camp Lejuene if I wanted to go on the green side?
 
can anyone define "green" and "blue" sides?

Green = Marine
Blue = Navy

They refer to billets. Marines have so many billets and the Navy has so many billets. You get placed to fill a dental billet according to their needs.
 
How much of the student loans, especially private loans with higher interest rates are covered in Military Dentistry?? Just curious.
 
I am trying to join as a direct accession dentist when I graduate. However I don't want to sign a 4 year contract and so I will for go my $75,000 bonus. Is there anything else the navy can do for you to pay student loans?
 
I am trying to join as a direct accession dentist when I graduate. However I don't want to sign a 4 year contract and so I will for go my $75,000 bonus. Is there anything else the navy can do for you to pay student loans?

You can sign up for the HPLRP program (Health Professions Loan Repayment Program).

From the NAVMED website:
Health Professions Loan Repayment Program (HPLRP)
The Health Professions Loan Repayment Program (HPLRP) provides an incentive to new accessions to enter the Navy, and current active duty medical personnel to extend their active duty commitment through the payment of professional educational loans. The maximum yearly loan repayment for FY2009 is $40,000, minus ~28% federal income taxes, which are taken out prior to lender repayment. Payments are sent directly to the lending institution on behalf of the HPLRP participant. BUMED Note 1110 provides guidance for active duty professionals who want to apply for the HPLRP.

Who is HPLRP Eligible?
Must be qualified for, or hold an appointment as a commissioned officer in one of the health professions and sign a written agreement to serve on active duty for a prescribed time period.
e fully qualified in a health profession that the Secretary of the Navy has determined to be necessary to meet identified skill shortages.
Must not be a current HPSP or FAP participant.
Be enrolled as a full-time student in the final year of a course of study at an accredited educational institution leading to a degree in a health profession other than medicine, dentistry, or osteopathic medicine.
Be enrolled in the final year of an approved residency program leading to specialty qualification in medicine, dentistry, or osteopathic medicine.


From the HPLRP contract:
"I will incur an active duty obligation (ADO) for ADHPLRP participation that is a minimum of two years or one year for each year of annual repayment, whichever is greater."
 
Does anyone have the statistics for the number of applicants applied/enrolled into Navy residencies?
 
Does the Navy still offer a 6 yr OMFS program at Bethesda with Georgetown? I've seen several oral surgeon's website who received their education in a similar fashion:

"prior to commissioning in the U.S. Navy. As a dental officer, she was selected for the advanced training in Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery by the National Naval Medical Center at Bethesda in 1996. She completed a six-year combined Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery and Doctor of Medicine program at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland and Georgetown University Medical School in 2002."
http://www.pomeradooralsurgery.com/meet/dr_podstreleny.html

Thank you
 
if my recruiter says we're just waiting on COMDOCS is that a good sign or is that just another way of saying be patient?
 
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jim85213 when did you apply, finally get notified of selection? Are you on a 3 or 4 year scholarship?
 
jim85213 when did you apply, finally get notified of selection? Are you on a 3 or 4 year scholarship?

The whole process takes like 6-9 months, really it does.
 
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jim85213 when did you apply, finally get notified of selection? Are you on a 3 or 4 year scholarship?

I am on a four-year scholarship and started applying in September 2007 (during my first year of dental school). I was notified of selection in October and swore-in in mid-December of that year. According to my recruiter, they rushed my commissioning docs and it still took about two months.
 
I'm looking into the requirements to get an interservice transfer from the Army to the Navy. I know it's a long shot and I need to find a one to one switch, but other than that, do I need a legitimate reason for doing it. And if so, what are acceptable reasons other than I married someone in another branch.
 
What does a navy dentist get to wear on a every day basis? If you are stationed with the marines does it change? Thanks.
 

I don't have the data for the number of candidates applied, but for FY09:

SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN COMPREHENSIVE DENTISTRY
1. LCDR Preston Biggs Naval Hospital Sigonella, Italy
2. LCDR James Harris Naval Medical Center, San Diego
3. LT Jeremy Hayes Naval Branch Health Clinic, Gulfport
4. LT Joshua Henson USS Whidbey Island (LSD 41)
5. LT Jayson Huber 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton
6. CDR Chatchava Pongsugree Naval Health Clinic, Quantico
7. LT David Weldon 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune


SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN ENDODONTICS
1. CDR Richard Campbell Naval Hospital Bremerton
2. LCDR David Craig Naval Hospital Beaufort
3. LT Jeffrey Domark Naval Hospital Rota, Spain
4. LT Jeffrey Ferreira Naval Health Clinic, Hawaii
5. LCDR Nancy Osborne 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton
6. LT Christopher Oswald 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton
7. LT Verne Reed II USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)
8. LCDR Steven Stokes Naval Postgraduate Dental School, NNMC Bethesda

Alternates:
1. LCDR Jay J. Geistkemper 3D Dental BN/ USNDC, Okinawa
2. ENS Cody Nelson University of Pittsburgh


SELECTEE FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN OPERATIVE DENTISTRY
1. LT Matthew Chang Naval Medical Center, San Diego
2. LT Matthew Dart U.S. Naval Mobile Construction BN Seven

SELECTEE FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN ORAL AND MAXILLOFACIAL RADIOLOGY
1. LT Martin Evers Naval Hospital Beaufort

SELECTEE FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN ORAL & MAXILLOFACIAL PATHOLOGY
1. Dr Heather R. Johnson

SELECTEE FOR FELLOWSHIP TRAINING AT THE JOINT COMMISSION
1. CAPT Joanne Adamski Naval Branch Health Clinic, Kings Bay



SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN ORAL & MAXILLOFACIAL SURGERY
1. LT Christopher Beale 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune
2. LT William Burke Naval Hospital Beaufort
3. ENS Drew Havard University of Mississippi
4. LT Christopher Henninger USS Boxer (LHD 4)
5. ENS Ricardo Ortiz-Rodriquez University of Puerto Rico
6. ENS David Rasmussen University of Louisville
7. LT Rhonda Roberts Naval Hospital, Bremerton
8. LT Andrew Tellington Naval Medical Center, San Diego

SELECTEE FOR FELLOWSHIP TRAINING IN FACIAL COSMETIC SURGERY
1. LCDR Christopher Crecelius USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)

SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN ORTHODONTICS
1. LCDR Rasha Hanna Bureau of Medicine & Surgery, Washington DC
2. LT John Jerome 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton
3. LT Paul Kocian 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune
4. LT Allison Milliner Naval Medical Center, San Diego

Alternates:
1. LT Matthew Kriewaldt 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton
2. LT Stephen Yamodis 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune

SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN PEDIATRIC DENTISTRY
1. LCDR Matthew Brady U.S. Naval Hospital, Naples, Italy
2. LT Melanie Broun 3D Dental BN/ USNDC, Okinawa
3. CAPT James Dibelka 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton

SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN PERIODONTICS
1. LT Jeffrey Draude 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune
2. LCDR Parra-Betancourt Naval Medical Center, San Diego
3. LT Brandon Peterson Naval Health Clinic, Great Lakes
4. LT Vinh Ton 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton

SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN PROSTHODONTICS
1. LCDR Rene Alova Naval Health Clinic, New England
2. LCDR Vinh Doan 3D Dental BN/ USNDC, Okinawa
3. LT Edward Givens Naval Hospital Beaufort
4. LT Maria Julia-Montanez 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune
5. ENS David Rusthoven University of Pennsylvania
6. ENS Eric Villareal Case Western Reserve University

SELECTEE FOR FELLOWSHIP TRAINING IN MAXILLOFACIAL PROSTHETICS
1. LT David Bell Naval Postgraduate Dental School, NNMC Bethesda

SELECTEE FOR DOCTORAL TRAINING FOR DENTAL RESEARCH
1. LCDR Michael Metz Naval Hospital Beaufort
2. CDR Jonathan Stahl Naval Medical Center, San Diego



As you can see, most candidates accepted were active duty except OMFS and Pros...

This should also give you a good spread of possible future duty stations (after the first tour).
 
Thanks for the post grmaster 1.



Also, do either the HPSP or HSCP require a different minimum GPA level maintained during school other than what your school requires, typical a 2.0?
 
Thanks for the post grmaster 1.



Also, do either the HPSP or HSCP require a different minimum GPA level maintained during school other than what your school requires, typical a 2.0?

Yes, 3.0 out of 4.0 for both now although it used to be less for HSCP.
 
I don't have the data for the number of candidates applied, but for FY09:


This is great information....thank you. Do you have a link of where we can find this information in the future?

Does this list include "out service" trainees as well or are these only the "in service" trainees?

What are the limitations to "out service" training? i.e. number of positions, annual budget, training program, applicant's acceptance to the program? I understand "in service" is in the best interest for the needs of the military in many respects and more cost effective, but I am wondering if there are a designated number of "out service" positions each year, and if so are they pre-designated annually by specialty? Is this information advertised? Would a detailer know? Does the Navy approve access to an "out service" residency prior to your application to the programs?


Thanks again.
 
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This is great information....thank you. Do you have a link of where we can find this information in the future?

Does this list include "out service" trainees as well or are these only the "in service" trainees?

What are the limitations to "out service" training? i.e. number of positions, annual budget, training program, applicant's acceptance to the program? I understand "in service" is in the best interest for the needs of the military in many respects and more cost effective, but I am wondering if there are a designated number of "out service" positions each year, and if so are they pre-designated annually by specialty? Is this information advertised? Would a detailer know? Does the Navy approve access to an "out service" residency prior to your application to the programs?


Thanks again.

In your PM...
 
Question:
I am currently in private practice (periodontics) and considering Military dentistry.
1. What is a typical "progression" of duties (clinic?, administrative?) during the first 2 years in the military as a specialist?

Thanks for your help!
 
If you do an AEGD, you will be in the Navy for 5 years (if you have the four-year HPSP scholarship). That first year does not count towards pay back.

Once you graduate from the AEGD then you will most likely get an operational tour which is usually two years (for both ship and marines).
I do not know of anybody that got orders for 1 year with the marines.
Most orders are for 2 years or 3 years (unless it is for AEGD or GPR).

After that you are owed 3 years on shore where you might be picked to get to supplement the war on terror in the Persian Gulf if need be (for 6 months).

These are examples only to help you out.

A typical rotation for somebody that owes 4 years but wants to do an AEGD or GPR

Year 1 AEGD in Norfolk
Year 2 Camp Pendleton
Year 3 Camp Pendleton
Year 4 Naval Health Clinic San Diego
Year 5 Naval Health Clinic San Diego


IF you choose NOT to do an AEGD or GPR
Year 1 Great Lakes (this is where new seamen come through boot camp)
This is what people consider a credentialing tour
Year 2 USS Ronald Reagan or Camp Pendleton
Year 3 USS Ronald Reagan or Camp Pendleton
Year 4 suggest you extend on the ship or wherever you are so that you
are not forced a 5th year.

I have received a HPSP for Navy OPTOMETRY ...there is no thread for Military Optometry. Have any of the Dentists had contact with Optometrist and could give me some info about what to expect about being ordered after graduation, is it similar to what I've been reading here or a whole different world? I know this is somewhat off topic, but I would greatly appreciate any info, thanks and sorry for intruding.
 
I have received a HPSP for Navy OPTOMETRY ...there is no thread for Military Optometry. Have any of the Dentists had contact with Optometrist and could give me some info about what to expect about being ordered after graduation, is it similar to what I've been reading here or a whole different world? I know this is somewhat off topic, but I would greatly appreciate any info, thanks and sorry for intruding.

You will probably have better luck moving this question to the Military Medicine forum. As a rule, it has a larger following and I know of multiple AD Navy Docs that post on there frequently.
 
I’m not sure that I completely understand what a deployment actually consist of. Let’s say that I’m attached to a ship in Norfolk and we get deployed. I’m assuming that means that we get on the ship and set up shop in Persian Gulf for 6 months, right? Do you live and work on the docked ship during that time or do they set up some kind of place for you to work? I really have no concept of the process. If you have an apartment in Norfolk, do they continue to give you a housing allowance for it?

What about when you're assigned to a ship that isn't currently deployed? Do you just go to work everyday on the docked ship or do you go out to sea a few days a month?
 
Not sure this will help you, but I believe Navy optometrists are still MSC officers. MSC stands for "Medical Service Corps". Optometrists, podiatrists, and maybe some other clinical types not deemed numerous enough to warrant their own "corps" are lumped into the MSC, along with the the primary group of administrative and fiscal officers.

Optometrists are a small group in Navy medicine and you really should contact a Navy optometrist to get a feel for the career path if your recruiter can't answer your questions (and even if he can, you should still probably talk with a Navy optometrist). Are you are located anywhere near a Navy hospital.

I have received a HPSP for Navy OPTOMETRY ...there is no thread for Military Optometry. Have any of the Dentists had contact with Optometrist and could give me some info about what to expect about being ordered after graduation, is it similar to what I've been reading here or a whole different world? I know this is somewhat off topic, but I would greatly appreciate any info, thanks and sorry for intruding.
 
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Do perio residency spots ever go out to recent grads right out of school? What are deployments like for Navy periodontists?

SELECTEES FOR RESIDENCY TRAINING IN PERIODONTICS
1. LT Jeffrey Draude 2D Dental BN/NDC, Camp Lejeune
2. LCDR Parra-Betancourt Naval Medical Center, San Diego
3. LT Brandon Peterson Naval Health Clinic, Great Lakes
4. LT Vinh Ton 1st Dental BN/NDC, Camp Pendleton

The 4 spots selected for last yrs board were in at least 3 years. LT Ton was prior enlisted and has been in a while. The Perio training is in Bethesda. I dont know of anyone that has gone outservice, although I think there was one girl who came in as a Perio.

As for deployments, it depends what command you are in. Green side seems to not send specialists besides OMFS. I knew one CAPT Perio that deployed to Kuwait because he volunteered. He was doing Gen Den there.

Hope that helps.
 
Interesting, thank you. It's good to see you around here still.

I'm always around, just not as vocal as some. Plus I have been busy getting out of the Navy.

Good Luck on Perio.
 
I will be beginning dental school in Aug and I am prior enlisted in the navy, I was in 4 years and left as an E4. I am somewhat interested in what the NAVY has to offer, it seems like a pretty sweet deal. Are you aware if my prior service will have any influence on an enhancement in the starting rank upon start of active duty. I have done a bit of research and it seems that most dental school graduates will begin active duty as an LTjg or LT, is it possible to begin as an LCDR?
 
I will be beginning dental school in Aug and I am prior enlisted in the navy, I was in 4 years and left as an E4. I am somewhat interested in what the NAVY has to offer, it seems like a pretty sweet deal. Are you aware if my prior service will have any influence on an enhancement in the starting rank upon start of active duty. I have done a bit of research and it seems that most dental school graduates will begin active duty as an LTjg or LT, is it possible to begin as an LCDR?

That would be a sweet deal, but most likely not. If the navy is anything like the army, your prior time will count for pay only. Coming in at an 04 in most cases are for dentists or specialists with a few years of experience, and are coming into a higher rank based on their level of experience.

So if you were a practicing dentist coming into service as a direct commission, you'd have a shot at a higer rank.
 
I will be beginning dental school in Aug and I am prior enlisted in the navy, I was in 4 years and left as an E4. I am somewhat interested in what the NAVY has to offer, it seems like a pretty sweet deal. Are you aware if my prior service will have any influence on an enhancement in the starting rank upon start of active duty. I have done a bit of research and it seems that most dental school graduates will begin active duty as an LTjg or LT, is it possible to begin as an LCDR?


You would come in as an O-3E with 4 years base pay if you are HPSP. You might want to look at the HSCP, paid active duty for 4 years which count towards retirement so you would only have 12 years left until you hit the first retirement option. It is a very good program especially if you are going to a public program (program with less tuition). Just search it in the threads, it is worth a read.
 
You would come in as an O-3E with 4 years base pay if you are HPSP. You might want to look at the HSCP, paid active duty for 4 years which count towards retirement so you would only have 12 years left until you hit the first retirement option. It is a very good program especially if you are going to a public program (program with less tuition). Just search it in the threads, it is worth a read.

You must have over 4 years (at least 4 years and 1 day) prior active service as an enlisted member or warrant officer to receive O-3E pay.
 
Hey I really appreciate all of the replies! Thanx a bunch.
None of what you all are saying really surprises me, I was a personnelman in the Navy and I am well aware of the little quirks (so the 4 yr and 1 day doesn't surprise me.) I'll check out the other programs you mentioned.
Thanks again for the advice, I have been reticent to contact a recruiter, I did recruiting duty while on leave and I am not sure I want the dogs chasing me just yet.
 
With respect to the HSCP it was mentioned that the "active" time while actually in dental school counts toward retirement. Am I correct to assume that if there is a 3-4 year obligation after dental school and the recent graduate has 4 years of prior enlisted service, then that individual will have only 8 years left until retirement! If I am understanding that correctly, that is outstanding!
 
Anyone comment about the reserve? I am an OMFS resident w/ 10+years USMCR. I want to know if anyone knows someone I can call, or comment about naval reserve life and if it is worth it.
 
Anyone comment about the reserve? I am an OMFS resident w/ 10+years USMCR. I want to know if anyone knows someone I can call, or comment about naval reserve life and if it is worth it.
LT Lauritano
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This is the San Diego recruiter, but I am sure he can put you in contact of someone in your area.

Also, I interviewed with an Oral Surgeon reservist for my HPSP. He seemed to love it. I ended up seeing him on his 2 week drill at MCRD SD about 5 yrs later.

I am coming off active duty and going to Ortho Residency. I can sign up for 1, 2, or 3 years for a 25K/yr bonus. If I sign up within 6 months of getting out I can get a 2 yr waiver where I can't be mobilized. With the bonus and drill pay it comes out to about 700/day after taxes for doing exams. Not bad for a Gen Den in CA, but OS is another story.

I think the 25K bonus is for Gen Den and OMFS. You will have to make sure about that.


Also for you there is something about critical wartime specialties where you don't have to drill during residency. You can also check that out. Supposedly there is an Endo Res at USC that is getting the $$$ without drilling. I need to call him and find out the details on that sweet deal.

PM Me if you need any other info.
 
Anyone comment about the reserve? I am an OMFS resident w/ 10+years USMCR. I want to know if anyone knows someone I can call, or comment about naval reserve life and if it is worth it.

Here is another contact

CAPT Kerry J. Krause
Reserve Affairs Officer
Dental Corps, USN
Bureau of Medicine and Surgery
2300 E Street NW
Washington, DC 20372-5300
O: 202.762.3811
F: 202.762.3414
[email protected]
 
I am currently in the last year of dental school. I just sent in my application to become a direct accession dentist. However I have left 3 messages and no call back from my recruiter so, do you think I should find another recruiter or is this normal? I thought they were lacking dentists in the navy.
Thanks in advance.....
 
Hey im not sure if anyone would know the answer to this, but ive been curious because the recruiter is always really vague. Anyways, when i was younger I had all my teeth crowned and about a few years ago i had all my permanent work finished. I was curious as to what I can expect to hear the dentists say at the RTC dental exam. is the exam fairly passive or will they give me a hard time about the fact that i have so many crowns?
 
Hey, I don't know why. But I find myself in the same situation.
Where are you located? Maybe its the same recruiter that may be overwelmed of to much work and does not have the time to return a call..

Best.
I am currently in the last year of dental school. I just sent in my application to become a direct accession dentist. However I have left 3 messages and no call back from my recruiter so, do you think I should find another recruiter or is this normal? I thought they were lacking dentists in the navy.
Thanks in advance.....
 
is that true that u should be US cetizen to apply for this program? is not the Green card enough ?

please advice
Sam
 
is that true that u should be US cetizen to apply for this program? is not the Green card enough ?

please advice
Sam

yes, you must be a US Citizen to receive a commission in the military, navy or other wise.
I do believe there might be dual-citizen waivers available. I have heard of a couple of those; but, you must be a US citizen.
 
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