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@Backtothebasics8If you were to guess, what MBTI (Myer Brigg's Typology) would you classify yourself as based on tests, experiences, and introspection?
Oh, jeez... ENTJ, I think.
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@Backtothebasics8If you were to guess, what MBTI (Myer Brigg's Typology) would you classify yourself as based on tests, experiences, and introspection?
@masarakshLizzyM,
What are your thoughts on people who come from very short 'careers' in other fields, then do a post-bac, and apply to med school? (I'm talking like 2-3 years out of college max). For example econ major who worked in some non-med econ research, some health economics, etc; or a communications/business major who worked for a couple years before pursuing med; or a banker/IT/software dev...?
Is that an advantage or disadvantage when applying to top tier research school? I know a friend who is coming from a completely different field (no science classes at all in college) and isn't sure about how the app will be viewed.
@smarts1LizzyM, how often does a doctor work in industry? I met a doctor last summer who was working in industry, and I wanted to ask him why he was working in industry, but I didn't get a chance to. I'm assuming these people have dual MD-MBA degrees?
Isn't that avatar cutthroat b*$ch from House?? I think if some adcom was snooping, the avatar alone might nix you! ha ha ha. Looks like you already had lots of good karma going your way. Congrats
If you're a scribe, it's only a matter of time before you find yourself in a position to wrangle invites to the OR or the cath lab. You'll get some opportunities!Is scribing alone considered enough shadowing at your school? I have tried to get other shadowing with little luck.
Ehhh I don't know! I feel like its weird to just bother a random consulting doc with the ED docIf you're a scribe, it's only a matter of time before you find yourself in a position to wrangle invites to the OR or the cath lab. You'll get some opportunities!
I guarantee you when a weird case comes up on a slow day, your doc will wander off to follow up on it...and then you're in the cath lab chatting with the cardiologists in their home turf. We went over 1 night to see what happened to the guy who came in with a troponin of 128...and felt fine and kept trying to walk out and go home! :OEhhh I don't know! I feel like its weird to just bother a random consulting doc with the ED doc
Ditto. My current strategy is to just avoid the hell out of it, but it'd be nice to throw some context onto those crappy semester performances...but then I don't want to be remembered as that kid (or seem like I'm making excuses).Hi LizzyM,
Thank you for doing this! Your answers are always helpful.
If an applicant has had a poor undergraduate performance for a stigmatized reason (such as being physically or sexual assaulted), would you encourage the applicant to discuss it in a personal statement or some other area of the application? And if this is discouraged, what other options does the applicant have to make up for, or somehow explain, such a performance in the application?
Ditto. My current strategy is to just avoid the hell out of it, but it'd be nice to throw some context onto those crappy semester performances...but then I don't want to be remembered as that kid (or seem like I'm making excuses).
@suchbrioLizzyM,
You mentioned bench research earlier. How do research-focused schools look upon clinical research? I have had absolutely no lab research experience, but will have at least a year's worth of solid clinical research and plan on working with my PI full time this summer. I am very interested in continuing this type of research in med school, but I am unsure if I'm looking at the right schools. Should I be refocusing my list if many of the ones I have are research-heavy, like yours?
@karayaaIs your school going to use the MMI? How will it change the purpose of the interview? How will it change the types of students who are accepted?
@aspiring20is this cycle more competitive than the last cycle? and do you expect the coming cycle (beginning June 2014) to be more competitive still because of the end of the current MCAT?
@shahcocoHuzzah! I made it through all the posts!
Thanks for doing this, LizzyM. Last year I was exploring my options with the help of your forum and this year, I'm studying for the MCAT 🙂 time flies.
1) From past posts, I've learned that having a parent as a practicing physician lets adcoms know that an applicant has an idea of what they're getting into. What about having a parent that works in a hospital and in a role that has constant direct interaction with physicians? I practically grew up in the radiology department of my local hospital because I often tagged along when a parent was on call. I'm still doing shadowing, but is it worth mentioning this too if an interview naturally heads in that direction?
2) I also spent a lot of time in the hospital because another parent was ill for all of my life. I now volunteer at a hospital. I feel I've seen many different aspects of healthcare and my lifetime experience around medicine makes me very comfortable in that environment. Is this also worth mentioning? I ask this because it's part (not all) of why I've chosen medicine, but you can only fit so much in an app and I want to use my allotted space wisely.
3) I want a smidge of my ps to talk about fate. Before you roll your eyes, I'm not planning on writing about my "destiny as a doctor" because **** happens and I only have control over so much -- but rather an eloquent version of the following: that over the course of my life (nontrad) "funny" things have happened that have led me to accepting a future in healthcare and, specifically, medicine. At the time these things happened (e.g. Being assigned research in medical ethics when I was supposed to do research in a completely different field) I had no clue but in retrospect, they look like the work of something beyond me that I've finally accepted. Too granola? If so, I can keep it to myself 😛
@avenleaIs scribing alone considered enough shadowing at your school? I have tried to get other shadowing with little luck.
Do you pay attention to what classes an applicant doesn't do so well in (Whether it was a prereq or a GE class) and does it matter overall, even if the GPA is good?
@dbeast Let's do brunch at my mom's house since you're already there.LizzyM, how do you feel about brunch?
@edgerock24Hi LizzyM,
1) How do you view working at a psychiatric hospital as patient exposure? Do you still consider being around mentally ill individuals (those suffering from depression, severe anxiety, mood disorders) just as valuable as somebody working around patients in an emergency room, for instance?
2) As a non-traditional applicant, would you still want to see clinical volunteering from me, even if I have had direct patient exposure through 2-3 yrs of work experience and shadowing?
Thanks
@otterxavierHi LizzyM,
I know that volunteering is great on an application whether it's related to medicine or not. Is the same thing true for research? As an undergrad I did pretty extensive research (independent research design, hypothesis-testing, multiple years of data collection, publishable results) in an area that has absolutely nothing to do with medicine. Clearly that's not going to hurt -- but for a med school with a strong research focus, is having a research background that's entirely outside medicine/biology going to bump someone down the ladder?
Thanks for everything you contribute to SDN! We are so lucky to have you as a guide!
@ItskineticHi LizzyM,
I'm new to SDN, but I've spent a lot of time today reading over your advice! I just have two questions:
1. If the letters of recommendation consistently describe someone as "shy" or "quiet", how does this read for a member of the admission committee? does this occur frequently? does this diminish chances for an interview? I have a more reserved personality, but I would say I'm socially competent and I am confident in myself. Yet, some recommenders may say I am very quiet..?
2. I saw you talked about the J curve-- does the below GPA trend apply? Is this something that I need to explain somewhere? There's not really anything to explain except adjustment to college life/learning how to really study since I went to an easy high school and am now a senior chemistry major at a top 25 school (taking a gap year and applying next year). It's all the same amount of credits and maybe increasing difficulty: 3.50, 3.30.... 3.46, 3.75.... 3.73, 3.87..... 3.85, next semester.
Thanks so much for your input! 🙂 Happy holidays!
@plumhillHi LizzyM,
Thank you for doing this! Your answers are always helpful.
If an applicant has had a poor undergraduate performance for a stigmatized reason (such as being physically or sexual assaulted), would you encourage the applicant to discuss it in a personal statement or some other area of the application? And if this is discouraged, what other options does the applicant have to make up for, or somehow explain, such a performance in the application?
+1 on this for me too. Doesn't matter so much to me anymore, but some advice on this before I started interviewing would have saved me a lot of worry, and I imagine there are quite a few applicants out there that struggle with this question. For me, it wasn't awful grades I had to explain - it was a school transfer - but the same question applies: how do I explain it without making the assault the main thing that the interviewer remembers about me?
(A school transfer might be easier to explain than bad grades, however. I generally said I transferred for personal reasons during interviews, and none of the interviewers questioned it further. But I imagine that saying you got bad grades for "personal reasons" might not provide enough information for interviewers.)
Dear @BurberryDoc
This is no longer a concern of mine, as I have been accepted to medical school, but rather a curiosity: why are applicants typically discouraged from expressing interest in specialties on their applications, such as neonatology or cardiology or dermatology, as opposed to general practice and family medicine?
Thanks!
BurberryDoc
@TotalDominationHi LizzyM,
I have a few q's about the app cycle. I submitted my application in early-mid july and did most secondaries in September. I have a LizzyM score of 73-74 and have excellent EC's (objectively assessed by former admission committee members that I work with and doctors who reviewed my application). My school has an average premed gpa of 3.1 and is a top 10 (to give you some idea of my academic history without being specific). Currently, I am hearing nothing from all my top choice schools. A lot of these schools do mass rejections in March. I sent one update letter already to these schools (for a publication). I work ~100 hours/week (already graduated) but am also planning on taking a class this semester and devoting a significant amount of time to a hobby of mine. Do you think this is worth updating schools I haven't heard back from about? I don't want to come across desperate but I really want to express my interest and demonstrate that I would make a great addition to their class as a well-rounded academic. I am in the process of writing another paper to be submitted soon but I heard that it's useless to update about this unless the paper has been accepted. What are your thoughts? Might be hard to answer given the vagueness of my post but any advice would be appreciated. I can PM you if you think more details would help. Happy holidays!
TD
@No LimitsWhoops! Sorry you did say that, long day forgive me.
I think it's awesome you still volunteer. What kind of volunteering do you like to do?
Hi again LizzyM. I've heard numerous stories from applicants and doctors that I've worked with, and that is of students who were perhaps below par for a typical student (either stats, EC, etc.) that's admitted to US MD schools, and through actions from a benevolent "benefactor", were able to eventually gain admissions to said program(s).
I was wondering if you've ever experienced anything like this in your years as an adcom, where a student who would have been rejected outright were given extra consideration because of social connections. If so, how much of an advantage is it? Is it a thumb on the scale or more of an anvil on the scale? Thanks, your answers are always enlightening.
This just gave me another reason to like you even more🙂 Add me to the list of people who get frustrated when others only volunteer to look good.@No Limits
I like to have face to face interactions with people in need. Over the years, I've volunteered in a food pantry and also provided coffee and sandwiches to street people who came to the door, did a brief stint at a homeless shelter (couldn't deal with being sleep deprived myself --also a reason why I wasn't ever cut out to be a physician), organized the collection and distribution of Christmas gifts, holiday food baskets a few times each year, and school supplies in the fall, visited the poor in their homes to see how my faith community could help them in whatever emergency situation they found themselves, served meals (today I'll be a "waitress" at a luncheon served family style to people who would otherwise be alone on Christmas; it is physically challenging and people can demanding rather than grateful but I go back every year because it is the right thing to do.). @Planes2Doc becomes frustrated with people who only volunteer to look good to the adcoms and I would say I do too; I just want applicants to know that I don't expect anything of them that I wouldn't do myself. I have spent about 1-2 hours per week year round for the past 30 years.
I am also a blood donor and I urge everyone who is eligible to donate to give it a try. The need is great; particularly at this time of year.
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