August 2020 - CBSE

[desertrat12]

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The real question is will programs push their application deadlines...

They probably will...but will they consider the later applications....idk

Both of these are the questions those of us applying this cycle should be asking. John’s email did not address it. I sent him an email, and anyone who the results deadline affects should also send an email. This is literally life altering. It could mean the difference of applying for gpr or oms, or finding an internships, moving a family with kids temporarily, etc.

It’s seems reasonable that EVERYONE needs to be flexible given the current situation. We certainly we having forced flexibility with the new results deadline, it seems reasonable for application to take this into account and also be flexible. But will programs care, who knows. Got to start somewhere though, email John.

 

[deleted913442]

In reference to John London's email. Does this mean we will all have different exams btw Aug 15 - Sept 15? Or is it going to be the same exam ?

Pretty sure different. I‘ve read and heard from med students who had to take CBSE (school made them) that they were different even when their exams were 1 day apart.

 

[Life of Pablo]

In reference to John London's email. Does this mean we will all have different exams btw Aug 15 - Sept 15? Or is it going to be the same exam ?

Different, but it doesn’t matter since the curves are already set beforehand.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Both of these are the questions those of us applying this cycle should be asking. John’s email did not address it. I sent him an email, and anyone who the results deadline affects should also send an email. This is literally life altering. It could mean the difference of applying for gpr or oms, or finding an internships, moving a family with kids temporarily, etc.

It’s seems reasonable that EVERYONE needs to be flexible given the current situation. We certainly we having forced flexibility with the new results deadline, it seems reasonable for application to take this into account and also be flexible. But will programs care, who knows. Got to start somewhere though, email John.

Everything will be pushed back. Programs aren’t oblivious to the fact that a lot of people won’t get their scores back until October 1st.

 

[desertrat12]

Everything will be pushed back. Programs aren’t oblivious to the fact that a lot of people won’t get their scores back until October 1st.

Crossing my fingers you are right. I do think, however, that there is little incentive for programs to delay, there will plenty of super qualified applicant who are not relying on this exam busy program directors could very understandably ignore future tests scores that would further complicate their already heavy schedule.

Again, I hope you are right, but still think it’s worth it to encourage John to give us some info.

 

[oshtor]

For anyone who has already taken CBSE.

I am trying to get a sense of the accuracy of how score predictors like UWSA, UW %, NBMEs, etc. when compared to actual CBSE scores. I know there are some out there for step 1, but I couldnt find a good one for CBSE. I made an anonymous spreadsheet, and if anyone who has taken it once already could fill it out it would be extremely helpful. Thanks peeps.

CBSE scores and predictors

PS: I know there are a lot of step 1 score predictors out there but there arent any specifically for CBSE that I could find 🙁

 

[Omfshopefull94]

The date flexibility is stressful. I know it’s needed because of the conditions right now but that’s an extra 4 week study period. Don’t know at what point it’ll be beneficial before leading to burnout. Especially cause our school is still being ambiguous about our August break and don’t know exactly when our weeks off will be or even how long

 

[ThirdMolarz]

In reference to John London's email. Does this mean we will all have different exams btw Aug 15 - Sept 15? Or is it going to be the same exam ?

I would hope we get different exams

 

[CornFedBeef21]

This is huge letdown.

I’m basically planning on doing an internship year. Hopefully with a good score, and the experience of an internship, it’ll play out okay.

2020 and 2021 applications will be interesting.


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[ThirdMolarz]

The date flexibility is stressful. I know it’s needed because of the conditions right now but that’s an extra 4 week study period. Don’t know at what point it’ll be beneficial before leading to burnout. Especially cause our school is still being ambiguous about our August break and don’t know exactly when our weeks off will be or even how long

If I get Aug 15th, I'll trade you

 

[Omfshopefull94]

If I get Aug 15th, I'll trade you

I’ve never taken this test before so is it the same as the NBDE, where it is offered openly and whatever date has an opening you can take or is it very limited?

 

[P0W3RL1FT3R]

In reference to John London's email. Does this mean we will all have different exams btw Aug 15 - Sept 15? Or is it going to be the same exam ?

It would have to be a different exam. At least I would hope.

 

[ThirdMolarz]

I’ve never taken this test before so is it the same as the NBDE, where it is offered openly and whatever date has an opening you can take or is it very limited?

First time too. It's gonna be a race to sign up for spots when the email to sign up gets sent out. I was thinking once everything's full, we email asking for a switch.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Just a thought, but what was the point in AAOMS "assuring that the CBSE will happen on August 15" if they're going to delay results until October 1st anyway? Like who cares if you take it on August 15th if you can't get your score back for another 1.5 months.

 

[rotichawal]

Just a thought, but what was the point in AAOMS "assuring that the CBSE will happen on August 15" if they're going to delay results until October 1st anyway? Like who cares if you take it on August 15th if you can't get your score back for another 1.5 months.

Yeah I honestly didn't even think of it like that, I assumed results would come in on a rolling basis. Don't see what's the point of taking it early then, might as well cram in another month lol

 

[wedelstaedt]

Just a thought, but what was the point in AAOMS "assuring that the CBSE will happen on August 15" if they're going to delay results until October 1st anyway? Like who cares if you take it on August 15th if you can't get your score back for another 1.5 months.

Somewhat similar to a few exams ago when there was a huge winter storm. Everyones scores were delayed for about a month regardless of when you took it

 

[surfline]

Just a thought, but what was the point in AAOMS "assuring that the CBSE will happen on August 15" if they're going to delay results until October 1st anyway? Like who cares if you take it on August 15th if you can't get your score back for another 1.5 months.

because who really wants to juggle CBSE studying with their schools accelerated post-COVID clinic schedule for another month?

 

[CubsFan44]

So for people who were planning to re-take the CBSE this August to try to improve their previous score (mid 60's), would it make more sense to just apply earlier now, before the exam?

I wonder this because even if programs were to extend their application deadlines to accommodate the new October 1st release of scores, that wouldn't leave them with a whole lot of time to review applications and extend interview invites (assuming the entire Match system's deadlines remain on schedule)

 

[Charcot-Marie-Tooth]

Just a thought, but what was the point in AAOMS "assuring that the CBSE will happen on August 15" if they're going to delay results until October 1st anyway? Like who cares if you take it on August 15th if you can't get your score back for another 1.5 months.

I'm sure many will try to stick with the 15th... As others noted, most people were planning on being ready by then and will worry about losing stuff as clinic/lab turns up a lot

 

[Life of Pablo]

I'm sure many will try to stick with the 15th... As others noted, most people were planning on being ready by then and will worry about losing stuff as clinic/lab turns up a lot

My point was a lot of people concerned about the August 15th date being pushed back were worried because they didn’t want their applications to be late. AAOMS response was “don’t worry it will happen on the 15th”, which technically they weren’t lying but scores aren’t available until October 1st so in reality everything they said to try to alleviate concerns about missing application deadlines was BS.

 

[Star-Lord]

My point was a lot of people concerned about the August 15th date being pushed back were worried because they didn’t want their applications to be late. AAOMS response was “don’t worry it will happen on the 15th”, which technically they weren’t lying but scores aren’t available until October 1st so in reality everything they said to try to alleviate concerns about missing application deadlines was BS.

I think that AAOMS is just as confused and under the mercy of Prometric, as every other organization that has exams through prometric. There has been many pre-dents and medical students that have been assured their exams are still scheduled only to find out a few days before their date that it’s cancelled (often even without notice). I wouldn’t be surprised if Prometric told JL that everything would still be scheduled on the 15th, then changed things last minute. I’d honestly be surprised if I am able to find an open date within that month without having to travel out of state.

 

[CornFedBeef21]

Don’t know if anyone cares to know but I’ve been in touch with a few programs, and even with this realization of delayed reporting, none have stated they would change or anticipate a change in their deadline.

This is mainly for the programs with the Sept 1st and Sept 15th deadline.


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[ThirdMolarz]

There has been many pre-dents and medical students that have been assured their exams are still scheduled only to find out a few days before their date that it’s cancelled (often even without notice)

This happened to a friend of mine too, a few months ago

 

[desertrat12]

Don’t know if anyone cares to know but I’ve been in touch with a few programs, and even with this realization of delayed reporting, none have stated they would change or anticipate a change in their deadline.

This is mainly for the programs with the Sept 1st and Sept 15th deadline.


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I figured this might be the case with some, perhaps many...

We'll have to wait and see if JL gets back with us about what is happening with applications, but if nothing changes what I'll probably do is apply with my current score (64/65ish), hope for interviews, and take the exam. When I'm on the interview I'll just tell them my new score. Maybe that'll do something, maybe it won't. But it doesn't hurt. If you interview well but the program can't stomach taking a 65 score, maybe it'll push them over the edge to rank you higher if they find out you now have a 70+

 

[CubsFan44]

I figured this might be the case with some, perhaps many...

We'll have to wait and see if JL gets back with us about what is happening with applications, but if nothing changes what I'll probably do is apply with my current score (64/65ish), hope for interviews, and take the exam. When I'm on the interview I'll just tell them my new score. Maybe that'll do something, maybe it won't. But it doesn't hurt. If you interview well but the program can't stomach taking a 65 score, maybe it'll push them over the edge to rank you higher if they find out you now have a 70+

Yeah I guess that's the best we can do at this point. It would have been nice to apply with a better score, but hopefully I can score up a few interviews with my current 63-64 and go from there.

 

[nonociceptors]

I figured this might be the case with some, perhaps many...

We'll have to wait and see if JL gets back with us about what is happening with applications, but if nothing changes what I'll probably do is apply with my current score (64/65ish), hope for interviews, and take the exam. When I'm on the interview I'll just tell them my new score. Maybe that'll do something, maybe it won't. But it doesn't hurt. If you interview well but the program can't stomach taking a 65 score, maybe it'll push them over the edge to rank you higher if they find out you now have a 70+

Assuming they'll even interview you with that score. I'd just apply with that score to the schools with a deadline of 9/1 or 9/15, then as soon as scores are available 10/1, apply to the rest and update the old ones you applied to with new scores. That's the only way that makes sense.

 

[nonociceptors]

And every single person taking this exam in August and applying this cycle should be emailing and calling JL to ask if current applicants can be given priority. If you aren't applying until next year, **** off and wait a little longer for scores.

 

[CornFedBeef21]

And every single person taking this exam in August and applying this cycle should be emailing and calling JL to ask if current applicants can be given priority. If you aren't applying until next year, **** off and wait a little longer for scores.

Do we know if the plan is to mass release scores after the Sept 15th test date? Or will they release in waves?


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[deleted972255]

Do we know if the plan is to mass release scores after the Sept 15th test date? Or will they release in waves?


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Likely will all be released Oct 1-I'm guessing maybe even later, since things are always a little later than the dates they give. When the exam was delayed in the past, they did not release scores for those who had taken it already-everyone had to wait until the last person took it.
I think the first week of Oct by the latest, everyone should get their scores.
It is what it is, not much can be done about it.

 

[desertrat12]

Assuming they'll even interview you with that score. I'd just apply with that score to the schools with a deadline of 9/1 or 9/15, then as soon as scores are available 10/1, apply to the rest and update the old ones you applied to with new scores. That's the only way that makes sense.

Wow, I'm glad you pointed that out. I actually didn't know some programs have later application deadlines...just a quick check on the program I REALLY want to attend, and their deadline is October 1st... I think your plan seems the most logical, assuming we really do get our results by October 1st

 

[CornFedBeef21]

Wow, I'm glad you pointed that out. I actually didn't know some programs have later application deadlines...just a quick check on the program I REALLY want to attend, and their deadline is October 1st... I think your plan seems the most logical, assuming we really do get our results by October 1st

Most 6 year applicants get screwed by this plan.


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[deleted972255]

Love to see an entire pool of applicants get screwed.
I guess most 4 years are still an option if that’s the route people want to take. Deadlines much more favorable there.


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It will not be the entire pool that is screwed. Many people have scores they like already.
It is unfortunate-but I guess this is what we get for waiting till the last minute to finish this test off lol.

 

[nonociceptors]

Yeah or instead of doom and gloom, pick up the phone and call JL. Send an email. Takes only a few minutes.

 

[desertrat12]

Yeah or instead of doom and gloom, pick up the phone and call JL. Send an email. Takes only a few minutes.

Agree

Also, consider e-mailing Laurie Oddo. I'm not sure her involvement in this but although the e-mail was sent from John it was signed by Laurie. I sent an e-mail to both of them. No response yet.

 

[Kouneko]

I just got my scheduling permit! Almost all the dates are available right now (California). I think there are seats saved just for us.

 

[Life of Pablo]

I just got my scheduling permit! Almost all the dates are available right now (California). I think there are seats saved just for us.

In Philadelphia, everything is filled up completely so I don’t think that’s the case. All of my classmates had to travel outside the state.

 

[desertrat12]

I got in relatively close to where I live.

I ended up just sticking with August 15th...maybe I should have given myself the luxury of extra weeks. But I'm on schedule study wise for August 15th, and I wanted to give myself a cushion of time to reschedule in case something happens and seats in August are dropped or something bizarre. Planning for the worst these days is sorta just planing for the normal lol

 

[CornFedBeef21]

Do we have to sign up for a Saturday date?

None in my area. But plenty of week day dates.


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[CubsFan44]

time to reschedule in case something happens and seats in August are dropped or something bizarre. Planning for the worst these days is sorta just planing for the

Just signed up for August 22nd. It was the first available date anywhere near me

 

[CubsFan44]

Do we have to sign up for a Saturday date?

None in my area. But plenty of week day dates.


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It gave me the option of taking a weekday date at 4 PM, but I'd much rather do it on a saturday morning

 

[deleted913442]

anyone taking the case for the 2nd or 3rd time with a score of ~60 mind explaining what study material/information they managed to get through & if there was anything they weren't able to cover?

Just trying to figure out, from your hindsight, what parts of your studying process you would consider being efficient or inefficient

Also, i figured we would have more time during quarantine, but being back in pre-clinical lab is really taking up 100% of the summer & negating that wishful thinking

Anki + doing reviews every day is the most important thing in my opinion.

 

[desertrat12]

Anki + doing reviews every day is the most important thing in my opinion.

Studying the same material but adding anki boosted by uworld percentage by 20% in only a few weeks...and obviously improving more as I continue

Be ready though, consistent anki review is no joke - it will wear you down. But your improved scores will keep you motivated to keep it up

 

[doktorinprogres]

Studying the same material but adding anki boosted by uworld percentage by 20% in only a few weeks...and obviously improving more as I continue

Be ready though, consistent anki review is no joke - it will wear you down. But your improved scores will keep you motivated to keep it up

Could you share which deck you're using? You said adding anki but had you been working through the deck throughout the year or is this really something you just started?

 

[desertrat12]

Could you share which deck you're using? You said adding anki but had you been working through the deck throughout the year or is this really something you just started?

Ive used anki for dental classes but not for the cbse. I’m a huge sketchy fan, so I started doing the anki deck for sketchy path and I went from around 46% to now just over 65% in uworld, and that percentage hasn’t dipped in over 450 questions so I think it’s legit. I took about a 3 week break from uworld while getting through the whole thing. I also make my own cards while doing anki for things I’m learning with uworld.

I’ve already been through sketchy path before starting anki, so adding Anki is what changed things.

There are a lot of decks but I think the point is picking one and just staying consistent.

 

[desertrat12]

I feel like I should add...although a 20% increase sounds great, I’m not advocating that everyone rush out and use sketchy path. It has its issues and I understand while a lot of people don’t like it and prefer pathoma. There are also great decks for pathoma. So use whatever you like, my recommendation is just to use anki alongside whatever that is.

 

[desertrat12]

Thanks for the response. So I don't usually use flash cards to study, but I was wondering what your thoughts were on me starting flash cards with my current time frame (exam is on september 12th).

Also, our last exam & final are in two weeks all while running 8am-5pm make-up labs everyday. How should I be feeling about putting off studying for the CBSE until I at least finish my dental exams? Even after a full day of lab + a few hours of didactic studying, i still feel a bit disappointed in myself for not investing time into the CBSE.

Are you applying this cycle?
Have you not started the cbse at all yet?

 

[CubsFan44]

I started at the beginning of may, I've knocked out some sketchy micro and boards and beyond videos. I am willing to put in the work and plan to be more dedicated after finals, but it would help to see what others think of my situation as a means to ramp up my fear/motivation.

Everybody is different. Some people can grind for a couple of months and manage to do okay, while others need to dedicate a lot more time to it. Personally, I need to space out my studying over more than just 2-3 months in order for things to really sink in. Really all up to how to you want to attack things

 

[caffeine jitters]

I started at the beginning of may, I've knocked out some sketchy micro and boards and beyond videos. I am willing to put in the work and plan to be more dedicated after finals, but it would help to see what others think of my situation as a means to ramp up my fear/motivation.

Your situation sounds like a really, really difficult one. Maybe it is just me, but I needed several passes of certain BnB / Sketchy topics before truly understanding them - and even then, I had to constantly review, because if I didn't, I knew I would forget those concepts. Because of that, I'm afraid you're going to run into some serious time constraints given the fact that you're only a portion of the way through Sketchy and BnB. Also, I remember UWorld taking a lot longer than I thought it would. The explanations are filled with a lot of juicy material, but they are LONG. With all that said, a lot can happen in 3 months! I would try my hardest to use that time for CBSE studying, but please do factor in your own mental health.

 

[FutureJawBreaker]

So do you guys think its enough time for dedicated study to study from now until sept 14th - test date.

 

[klownzo]

So do you guys think its enough time for dedicated study to study from now until sept 14th - test date.

Yep. Especially if you've already taken it once