Australian MD inside australia VS USDO inside USA (as an international student) specialties chances.

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Hello!

I'm canadian.

I was wondering if it would be more likley to get into a competitive specialty inside of australia (or going to usa) with an australian MD as an international permanent resident.

OR

In the usa with a USDO as an international permanent resident.

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with AUS MD the options I will consider are AUS or USA.

with a USDO the only options I will consider is USA.

In USDO I'm not as competitive as USMD for specialties, and with AUS MD im not as competitive as native australains (as I'm only a permanent resident of australia)


thank you very much for your time!!!
 
no idea about within Australia, but you'd be significantly more competitive in the USA as a USDO than as an IMG. look up the match data for each year, the % are listed for USMD, USDO, US IMG, non-US IMG.
 
no idea about within Australia, but you'd be significantly more competitive in the USA as a USDO than as an IMG. look up the match data for each year, the % are listed for USMD, USDO, US IMG, non-US IMG.
thank you
 
Visa issues in the US are a separate problem regardless so I’ll set that aside. The issue in the US becomes one of DO vs IMG. Overall, DOs tend to be preferred in the US over IMGs, but there are some exceptions to the rule.

I know nothing about Australia. Reddit would probably be more helpful than here. You should probably figure out what dude if the planet you’d like to live on first though.

A little off topic: When I was applying, there was some path/scholarship or something at MSU (arguably the best DO school) for Canadians. Those accepted could get in state tuition. But I know very little about it, if it even still exists at all.
 
Visa issues in the US are a separate problem regardless so I’ll set that aside. The issue in the US becomes one of DO vs IMG. Overall, DOs tend to be preferred in the US over IMGs, but there are some exceptions to the rule.

I know nothing about Australia. Reddit would probably be more helpful than here. You should probably figure out what dude if the planet you’d like to live on first though.

A little off topic: When I was applying, there was some path/scholarship or something at MSU (arguably the best DO school) for Canadians. Those accepted could get in state tuition. But I know very little about it, if it even still exists at all.
Thanks man I appreciate it. Honestly I wouldn't mind australia. I think I might even prefer it. But not getting a chance at a competitive specialty is a deal breaker.
So I'm wondering what the percent chances are for USDO getting a competitive specialty. Then I could check what the percent chances are of a permanent resident MD in australia getting a competitive residency is and compare.

The problem is factoring in the fact that im also going to be an international student in the US. Or maybe a permanent resident? I'm not sure if that's easy to get while in school.

Anyway.

Do you think it's that simple? Sorry to ask another follow up question. Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you for your time
 
DOs can match into competitive specialties, but there are some that are very very very limited to dios, like the surgical subspecialties, ophthalmology, Urology dermatology.

I suggest you get into medical school first and then worry about residency
 
DOs can match into competitive specialties, but there are some that are very very very limited to dios, like the surgical subspecialties, ophthalmology, Urology dermatology.

I suggest you get into medical school first and then worry about residency
Thank you for your help. I feel like I'm have an equally good shot of usdo and australian md.

Wouldn't it be wise to worry about positioning myself where I will most likely get the specialty I want? I feel like worrying about something like this is important.

I might change my mind about what specialties I want in the future, but want to be keep my options open.


Any idea if the chances are better in australia with an MD?

Thank you again for your time and help.
 
Thanks man I appreciate it. Honestly I wouldn't mind australia. I think I might even prefer it. But not getting a chance at a competitive specialty is a deal breaker.
So I'm wondering what the percent chances are for USDO getting a competitive specialty. Then I could check what the percent chances are of a permanent resident MD in australia getting a competitive residency is and compare.

The problem is factoring in the fact that im also going to be an international student in the US. Or maybe a permanent resident? I'm not sure if that's easy to get while in school.

Anyway.

Do you think it's that simple? Sorry to ask another follow up question. Any advice is appreciated.

Thank you for your time
Depends on your definition of “competitive specialty”. I’m in radiology and while some consider it competitive, it doesn’t hold a candle to surgical sub specialties or derm.

Being a DO only holds you back from matching in radiology and anesthesia at the tippy top places. Fields more competitive than that is where it starts to drop off fast.

Most of matching competitively as a DO involves building a competitive app for the field and has less to do with the letters after your name. But most DO hopefuls underestimate how hard that is to do while med school is beating you down. It’s easier said than done.

I’d give stronger consideration to location if I were you. This all eventually becomes a job once the shine’s off the apple. And it would suck to move somewhere you don’t want to be only to still not get into that competitive specialty.
 
Depends on your definition of “competitive specialty”. I’m in radiology and while some consider it competitive, it doesn’t hold a candle to surgical sub specialties or derm.

Being a DO only holds you back from matching in radiology and anesthesia at the tippy top places. Fields more competitive than that is where it starts to drop off fast.

Most of matching competitively as a DO involves building a competitive app for the field and has less to do with the letters after your name. But most DO hopefuls underestimate how hard that is to do while med school is beating you down. It’s easier said than done.

I’d give stronger consideration to location if I were you. This all eventually becomes a job once the shine’s off the apple. And it would suck to move somewhere you don’t want to be only to still not get into that competitive specialty.
Thank you very much for your insight, I will take everything you mentioned into consideration!

Have a wonderful day
 
As a Canadian applicant to Australian medical schools, you need to ask for their data about how many Canadian students they have had match to CaRMS and where. I'm unsure how to get that info directly from CaRMS. Have a go.

For example, this is U of Queensland's website

Medicine Licensing | OzTREKK says
According to CARMS, international medical graduates returning to Canada had a 35% match rate in 2023, with Australian and New Zealand medical school graduates having the highest match rate of any region at 74% in 2023.
 
As a Canadian applicant to Australian medical schools, you need to ask for their data about how many Canadian students they have had match to CaRMS and where. I'm unsure how to get that info directly from CaRMS. Have a go.

For example, this is U of Queensland's website

Medicine Licensing | OzTREKK says
According to CARMS, international medical graduates returning to Canada had a 35% match rate in 2023, with Australian and New Zealand medical school graduates having the highest match rate of any region at 74% in 2023.
Thank you for your help, I will check this out. Although, I'm leaning towards staying in Australia, and I was wondering if my chances of landing a competitive specialty inside australia VS landing a competitive specialty inside the US as a USDO.

The only reason to choose DO over australia is if the chances of landing a competitive specialty in the US with a international USDO is higher (compared to a international AUS MD.)

Any idea how I can figure this out? For instance would it be wise to simply compare persentages of match rates in each case?

I think its difficult because I have 3 variables at hand: International + USDO (v.s) International + AUS MD. In both cases, staying in the country I do medical school.

Thank you very much for your time and help, it is greatly appreciated!
 
If you want to be a doctor in Australia, go to med school in Australia.
I dont mind being a doctor in australia. Im wondering if landing a competitive specialty as an MD inside Australia is higher than inside the US as a USDO. Any ideas on how these statistics compare?

i dont mind what country im in, they both are great.

Thank you very much for your time.
 
I dont mind being a doctor in australia. Im wondering if landing a competitive specialty as an MD inside Australia is higher than inside the US as a USDO. Any ideas on how these statistics compare?

i dont mind what country im in, they both are great.

Thank you very much for your time.
I suggest asking in the General International discussion forum
 
None of this will matter if you perform ****ty in med school, and the competitive fields are competitive for a reason - USMDs are not on a pedestal, and many also fail to match into the competitive fields. Is it easier for them, sure, but it's not easy either way. Hence the comment above saying to just get in and start.
 
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