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[1doggeek]

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I said my suspicion list is probably an umbrella with everyone equally at the top and me at the bottom
In reality it's something like this:

Zen/WZ
DVMD/Jil

BSC/VMH
1dog

I still don't know really why everyone is so suspicious of me, and I wish I could argue against it cuz I am 100% vanillager. I'll feel a little bad if wolves win because I goofed on some fishy sounding posts and couldn't fix it 🙁

 

[Skimble]

Right now zen, WZ & DVMD are at the top of my list. I know DVMD was one of the first to vote for ab, but I could totally see her doing that as a wolf, in fact it was probably the right move (I mean I wouldn't have wanted to play with her either due to lounge bias). Zen could totally play on that level too, but it's definitely a move I could see DVMD or Dy doing to gain villager cred (yes I know Dy is modding not playing, it's just something I've sort of seen her do before). I guess for that reason I will go with DVMD. I'm sure no one will join me and I'm afraid it's going to be game over tonight, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Lynch DVMD

 

[Skimble]

Right now zen, WZ & DVMD are at the top of my list. I know DVMD was one of the first to vote for ab, but I could totally see her doing that as a wolf, in fact it was probably the right move (I mean I wouldn't have wanted to play with her either due to lounge bias). Zen could totally play on that level too, but it's definitely a move I could see DVMD or Dy doing to gain villager cred (yes I know Dy is modding not playing, it's just something I've sort of seen her do before). I guess for that reason I will go with DVMD. I'm sure no one will join me and I'm afraid it's going to be game over tonight, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Lynch DVMD

Obviously I believe WZ could do something like that too, but she didn't vote for ab which is actually making me less suspicious of her.

 

[1doggeek]

Right now zen, WZ & DVMD are at the top of my list. I know DVMD was one of the first to vote for ab, but I could totally see her doing that as a wolf, in fact it was probably the right move (I mean I wouldn't have wanted to play with her either due to lounge bias). Zen could totally play on that level too, but it's definitely a move I could see DVMD or Dy doing to gain villager cred (yes I know Dy is modding not playing, it's just something I've sort of seen her do before). I guess for that reason I will go with DVMD. I'm sure no one will join me and I'm afraid it's going to be game over tonight, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Lynch DVMD

DVMD bounces between top and second row on my list. That's a good point about WZ not voting for AB but DVMD did. I do remember seeing she had voted for her first now that you mention it.
I definitely think there's at least one, if not two, wolves in WZ/DVMD/Zen and I guess with two votes already on me, I am open to voting for any of the three. Especially because I know lynching me is end game, but lynching someone else is at least a shot at a wolf, from my perspective.

 

[vetmedhead]

Okay! Buckle in everybody, this is long and it took several hours of fighting my computer to get here.

Most of my suspicions about 1dog are a lot of nitpicky things about phrasing, which is pretty easy to mess up (and something I've done as a noob too). Most of this has already been discussed on thread and addressed by 1dog, so I'll skip most of the early stuff.

You have a ton of comments about being super busy. I know you probably are super busy (lmao we all are on this forum), but I feel like this is too many "busy" posts for this game. It also gives you a convenient excuse for missing lynches or not contributing much strategy on thread some days.

Yeah, overnight backpacking trip. Yesterday lost service by the time I got there, today spent 9 hours driving home after hiking out. I'm trying to get caught up on the thread before I make any general strategy comments, but it's pretty easy to reply to comments directed at me without rereading.

This bolded part was interesting to me too, mainly because you state often that you are skimming the thread or not following very closely, yet you always had a fairly strong grasp of what was going on in the game/who died/who was acting suspicious/etc. In my experience players limited to mobile who have to skim frequently don't typically have this grasp. A wolf who is getting updated info from other wolves in PMs at night may have a better understanding of the happenings of the game even when limited to mobile. This is especially true if wolves are discussing who to kill next, who may be easy to swing a lynch onto, etc.

A ton of players have been suspicious of you all game: LIS, guis, PBC, DVMD, teep, etc. etc.

For now, lynch 1dog. If Teep makes a wave of posts soon to meet the deadline, then Teep would be my top suspicion for tomorrow per reasons discussed before. Until then, I don't want to lynch someone who has been very busy and may very well be mod-killed.

1dog, in my opinion, you have played very well this game. Either you're a wolf who's had guidance, or you're a very good player.

You said yourself that you've only played ~3 games. I think it's more likely for you to have been coached at least a little.

I don't know about 1 dogg. This, in particular, makes me raise my eyebrows:

This try at self-exoneration is really sketchy. Oh, I'm not stupid enough to ever do THAT, so obviously I couldn't be a wolf . . . Come on. That doesn't give anyone any reason to trust you. I've seen wolves use this exact same argument (heck, I'm fairly certain I've used it before) and it's unreliable as heck.

I'm going to go with

Lynch 1dog

All this talk about PMs, and it made me relook through her posts. I don't know when it was that N1 happened, but her posts have seemed to change to me since the game began. Maybe she has gotten coaching, and perhaps even was told by other wolves to stop asking questions (wouldn't that be something).

I agree that your posting quality improved a lot between D1 and D2. I feel like that's a pretty fast turnaround time.

I've had some of the same thoughts as DVMD regarding D1. While it's true that we can look at it for how wolves acted before strategizing together, I also think we're likely to find a bunch of confused villagers. I am more inclined to look more heavily at days after, as people started figuring the game out. I don't plan on entirely throwing out D1, and if it supports my thoughts from other days, great - but it's not going to be the basis for my reasoning because I think it's one of the easier days for villagers to have honest mistakes (plus a lot of RNG votes happen D1).

You have a lot of posts trying to discount the earlier thought on thread that noob wolves would likely post differently after D1. I think part of this is because your own posting style changed a bit after D1 and I think you wanted to draw attention away from that.

Wowwww brain still on fire. 1dog seems mostly noobish but my radar could be broken on account of firebrain affliction. I'm sticking with my vote but I did a lot of skimmage cause my brain can't handle more than eye dropper sized bits of work.

As some other people pointed out earlier, the day AB was lynched you were in second place. Kaydubs posted this a few minutes before lynch close (i.e. not enough time to sway votes away to other players that weren't you/AB), and my reading of this was that kaydubs was trying to sneak in an exoneration for you for the next day cycle so you wouldn't be the primary lynch candidate the next day.

My vote for AB was technically the deciding vote if I remember right. I guess it was close enough yet that LoTF's vote was important to shift the lynch the right direction, but it is a good point that her vote was pretty close to close. Especially if she was the last one to vote that day. There were a lot of people deciding between me and AB who basically said they weren't switching unless there was good evidence to the contrary, which wasn't likely to show up at that point.

An easy defense for yourself after the AB lynch - again, if you were both wolves then it seems that the wolves would have been stuck between a rock and a hard place and any vote would have lead to a wolf lynch anyway. Having one vote for the other gives a convenient voting record for a wolf to point at.

Wish I had more concrete reasons why I'm not a wolf, but without roles/items to back me up, it's just a matter of interpreting play and who everyone trusts more. I can definitely see how my AB lynch vote could just be seen as saving myself. Unfortunately for me, I had to be the second place person that day!

This phrasing is weird. It feels like when you both came up for lynch the wolves had to decide who they wanted to focus on keeping in the game.

I'm going to go with lynch 1dogg
I can't help but think perhaps kaydubs intentionally avoided the lynch leaders on the day AB was lynched because they were both wolves. It will be interesting to see how everybody who voted for AB turns out, because I do believe that there is a good chance there was a wolf on that lynch, I can't see them entirely passing that up. But neither of the early voters who are still alive (Zen and DVMD) strike me as wolfy right now, and admittedly 1dogg's vote was self-preservation.

^^^^

I'm gonna go with lynch rocky for now, along the lines of her posts seeming to fly under the radar a little bit, and not be anything dramatic or attention-drawing, which could be wolfy.

I'm also suspicious of BBC and Teep at this point. Both of them have had posts with phrasing the bugged me, especially teep's recent justification for voting for me instead of AB the lynch we killed AB.

I don't know why the phrasing of the bolded part seems wrong to me, but it does. I feel like people would usually say "the day we lynched AB" instead of "The lynch we killed AB." I'm just thinking out loud here, because I can see wolves usually saying "the night we killed X" and that phrasing transitioning over with you when talking about lynching on thread. (I also know this is very nit picky on phrasing)

Ack, sorry, busy weekend. I can see where a lot of suspicions on LIS are coming from, but I'm not putting in a lynch vote until I have time to review (and also cuz I don't wanna push it closer to plurality).
I'm still not entirely sure about teep or BBC but I agree that there is probably a veteran wolf and would rather find them first.

Putting attentions away from newer players and onto veterans, who are both (as villagers) more likely to find wolves and (as wolves) more experienced at easily deflecting suspicions than a newer player.

I don't think we automatically clear anyone. I also don't think kdubs voting for people automatically makes them more suspicious though. It might be a "rule" for wolves, but rules are made to be broken. 😉

Ninja'D by zen!

I especially agree with letting players posts be where my main suspicions are coming from... Things like if kaydubs voted for them may or may not support those suspicions, but I feel like I can best get an idea whether or not someone is "off" based on reading their posts for weirdness.

Lot of mentions of kaydubs after she left the game. I will also add that I think your post quality went down a bit (as in got more suspicious) after kaydubs left - my guess is this may be because you were losing out on some coaching from a veteran.


And, as was just pointed out on thread, you never actually posted your own suspicion list until asked about it. I'm not super concerned about that, since I'm not a fan of the suspicion lists myself.

I also feel like kaydubs' sendoff mention of you was a little odd and made me suspicious as well.

Anyway, I know a lot of this is really speculative, it's just one of those things where the entirety of your posting history makes me feel more and more suspicious as I read through it, rather than one specific thing that really screams wolf.

 

[vetmedhead]

Also, I'm holding off on voting as of yet, so feel free to respond however you'd like 1dog.

 

[1doggeek]

Also, I'm holding off on voting as of yet, so feel free to respond however you'd like 1dog.

I just got back home, so give me a moment and I'll try and write a decent response with an actual keyboard 😛

 

[vetmedhead]

I can see how others are getting some feels on Jilary, but I personally feel she's playing pretty villager-y in terms of how I've seen her play villagers before. I will also add that I think she's been speculating a lot about things that wouldn't be beneficial at all for a wolf to speculate about (masons, for example) and has been putting together some solid-ish suspicion lists.

 

[vetmedhead]

Zen is also reading pretty villager-y to me. None of their posts have really been red flags to me, now that I look through them all again.

If I had to have a second place lynch candidate I would pick WZ. I've never been able to read her for crap, of course, but some of her voting patterns this game have been kind of suspicious to me (she has a tendency to vote for people who aren't even remotely close to being lynch leaders from what I've seen). However, she has also posted some useful strategy that is helpful for sussing out wolves, so I'm not sure what to think about that.

 

[WildZoo]

Couldn't stay away
@Jilary is your theory that vmh is the other mason the only reason you think she's a villager? I think she's a villager anyway but i would be careful with that since it hasn't been confirmed.

 

[1doggeek]

For ease of reading, I'm going to number your concerns and try and address them best I can below:

Okay! Buckle in everybody, this is long and it took several hours of fighting my computer to get here.

Most of my suspicions about 1dog are a lot of nitpicky things about phrasing, which is pretty easy to mess up (and something I've done as a noob too). Most of this has already been discussed on thread and addressed by 1dog, so I'll skip most of the early stuff.

1) You have a ton of comments about being super busy. I know you probably are super busy (lmao we all are on this forum), but I feel like this is too many "busy" posts for this game. It also gives you a convenient excuse for missing lynches or not contributing much strategy on thread some days.

2) This bolded part was interesting to me too, mainly because you state often that you are skimming the thread or not following very closely, yet you always had a fairly strong grasp of what was going on in the game/who died/who was acting suspicious/etc. In my experience players limited to mobile who have to skim frequently don't typically have this grasp. A wolf who is getting updated info from other wolves in PMs at night may have a better understanding of the happenings of the game even when limited to mobile. This is especially true if wolves are discussing who to kill next, who may be easy to swing a lynch onto, etc.

A ton of players have been suspicious of you all game: LIS, guis, PBC, DVMD, teep, etc. etc.


You said yourself that you've only played ~3 games. I think it's more likely for you to have been coached at least a little.




3) I agree that your posting quality improved a lot between D1 and D2. I feel like that's a pretty fast turnaround time.


4) You have a lot of posts trying to discount the earlier thought on thread that noob wolves would likely post differently after D1. I think part of this is because your own posting style changed a bit after D1 and I think you wanted to draw attention away from that.


5) As some other people pointed out earlier, the day AB was lynched you were in second place. Kaydubs posted this a few minutes before lynch close (i.e. not enough time to sway votes away to other players that weren't you/AB), and my reading of this was that kaydubs was trying to sneak in an exoneration for you for the next day cycle so you wouldn't be the primary lynch candidate the next day.


An easy defense for yourself after the AB lynch - again, if you were both wolves then it seems that the wolves would have been stuck between a rock and a hard place and any vote would have lead to a wolf lynch anyway. Having one vote for the other gives a convenient voting record for a wolf to point at.


6) This phrasing is weird. It feels like when you both came up for lynch the wolves had to decide who they wanted to focus on keeping in the game.


^^^^


7) I don't know why the phrasing of the bolded part seems wrong to me, but it does. I feel like people would usually say "the day we lynched AB" instead of "The lynch we killed AB." I'm just thinking out loud here, because I can see wolves usually saying "the night we killed X" and that phrasing transitioning over with you when talking about lynching on thread. (I also know this is very nit picky on phrasing)


8) Putting attentions away from newer players and onto veterans, who are both (as villagers) more likely to find wolves and (as wolves) more experienced at easily deflecting suspicions than a newer player.




9) Lot of mentions of kaydubs after she left the game. I will also add that I think your post quality went down a bit (as in got more suspicious) after kaydubs left - my guess is this may be because you were losing out on some coaching from a veteran.


10) And, as was just pointed out on thread, you never actually posted your own suspicion list until asked about it. I'm not super concerned about that, since I'm not a fan of the suspicion lists myself.

I also feel like kaydubs' sendoff mention of you was a little odd and made me suspicious as well.

Anyway, I know a lot of this is really speculative, it's just one of those things where the entirety of your posting history makes me feel more and more suspicious as I read through it, rather than one specific thing that really screams wolf.

1) I've tried to be conscious of "busy" posts. I think most of the time I posted them, you'll find someone had mentioned people weren't talking as much as they should/where is 1dog? and those kinds of posts. I understand everyone on this forum is busy. 😛 In other games I've seen people point out "busy" posts as suspicious, so I tried to only mention why I was gone at a weird time or situation when it seemed like people really were questioning. I probably have made too many of those posts though, and I'll try and keep that in mind/cut down on them for next game!

2) I have been very limited to mobile this game, correct. That doesn't easily allow me to re-read days ago, search, etc. However, I can stay caught up reading wise most days. The quote you pulled out about me addressing genny's concerns about me, and me mentioning I wasn't commenting on general strategy at that point: even when I'm "caught up" reading, it takes effort to nit pick the posts for wolfiness. When I don't have a lot of time for posting or time to get on a computer, it was easier for me to address concerns about my own game play because that was easy and didn't take more than a few minutes, because I already understand my own reasoning. Finding posts on others, especially without nit picking things out of left field, just takes more effort and is something I'm still learning how to do (but I feel like I'm getting better at!).

3) After D1, there's just more actual posts to pick apart. I also think I was maybe a little more nooby/questioning D1 because I had questions I hadn't asked in other games that I felt I could ask easier in this game. I don't personally see where my posts are super different, but I am guessing it's a little bit of getting into the game/getting my questions out on D1.

4) I don't recall posting arguing against noobs posting drastically different after D1. I do recall arguing that people (and a lot were noobs, including myself) who didn't want to lynch STL on the basis of a role weren't automatically wolfy, because I think accidentally lynching a village role would be bad and wanted to wait it out a little longer. That's why I wasn't looking heavily at D1 lynch - because I think it was valid to not want to lynch someone based on "roley-ness" alone.

5) I'm not sure why kaydubs voted the way she did. From my perspective, she could've voted for someone else not because I was a wolf, but because villagers were suspicious of me and would lynch me themselves anyways, which would remove another villager. If she did vote later in the cycle, she also probably wouldn't want to vote for a wolf with a vote that close, just in case, and also wouldn't want to vote for me because that put it closer to a tie.
Or she did it just to confuse us. 😉

6) I phrased it that way because I had voiced AB suspicions earlier and I really was voting for AB because I thought she was suspicious. If I hadn't been in second, that vote wouldn't be so fishy now, so it was unfortunate for me that it also appears as a vote saving my own butt, instead of just breaking a tie that resulted in a wolf being lynched.

7) I don't know how to fix this one for you. Just the way I wrote it. One more thing to add to my mental list of "this sounds suspicious even though you didn't intend it to be, so don't do that in future games!" list, I guess.

8) I think I actually didn't do a lot of suspicion throwing off of new players and on to veterans, especially in comparison to other players. Yes, I posted I would rather find a veteran wolf - only because I think a veteran wolf would be a bigger blow to the wolves, and new wolves would be easier to find on thread. However, I haven't been gung ho about finding the veterans and don't think I really made much mention of it otherwise, or voted in a way that would make me all about finding veterans.

9) Everyone mentioned kaydubs a lot, it wasn't just me. It was simply a part of conversation that was relevant. I haven't been posting as much or as in depth as before, probably... and could go into a long explanation about why and life, but the first point tells me that wouldn't be helpful right now 😉. It's just a coinky dink if it's the same time as kaydubs left though.

Any thing I missed?

 

[WildZoo]

she has a tendency to vote for people who aren't even remotely close to being lynch leaders from what I've seen)

I don't like bandwagons on principle, so yeah, you'll see me going off on my own on lynches a lot

 

[1doggeek]

For ease of reading, I'm going to number your concerns and try and address them best I can below:



1) I've tried to be conscious of "busy" posts. I think most of the time I posted them, you'll find someone had mentioned people weren't talking as much as they should/where is 1dog? and those kinds of posts. I understand everyone on this forum is busy. 😛 In other games I've seen people point out "busy" posts as suspicious, so I tried to only mention why I was gone at a weird time or situation when it seemed like people really were questioning. I probably have made too many of those posts though, and I'll try and keep that in mind/cut down on them for next game!

2) I have been very limited to mobile this game, correct. That doesn't easily allow me to re-read days ago, search, etc. However, I can stay caught up reading wise most days. The quote you pulled out about me addressing genny's concerns about me, and me mentioning I wasn't commenting on general strategy at that point: even when I'm "caught up" reading, it takes effort to nit pick the posts for wolfiness. When I don't have a lot of time for posting or time to get on a computer, it was easier for me to address concerns about my own game play because that was easy and didn't take more than a few minutes, because I already understand my own reasoning. Finding posts on others, especially without nit picking things out of left field, just takes more effort and is something I'm still learning how to do (but I feel like I'm getting better at!).

3) After D1, there's just more actual posts to pick apart. I also think I was maybe a little more nooby/questioning D1 because I had questions I hadn't asked in other games that I felt I could ask easier in this game. I don't personally see where my posts are super different, but I am guessing it's a little bit of getting into the game/getting my questions out on D1.

4) I don't recall posting arguing against noobs posting drastically different after D1. I do recall arguing that people (and a lot were noobs, including myself) who didn't want to lynch STL on the basis of a role weren't automatically wolfy, because I think accidentally lynching a village role would be bad and wanted to wait it out a little longer. That's why I wasn't looking heavily at D1 lynch - because I think it was valid to not want to lynch someone based on "roley-ness" alone.

5) I'm not sure why kaydubs voted the way she did. From my perspective, she could've voted for someone else not because I was a wolf, but because villagers were suspicious of me and would lynch me themselves anyways, which would remove another villager. If she did vote later in the cycle, she also probably wouldn't want to vote for a wolf with a vote that close, just in case, and also wouldn't want to vote for me because that put it closer to a tie.
Or she did it just to confuse us. 😉

6) I phrased it that way because I had voiced AB suspicions earlier and I really was voting for AB because I thought she was suspicious. If I hadn't been in second, that vote wouldn't be so fishy now, so it was unfortunate for me that it also appears as a vote saving my own butt, instead of just breaking a tie that resulted in a wolf being lynched.

7) I don't know how to fix this one for you. Just the way I wrote it. One more thing to add to my mental list of "this sounds suspicious even though you didn't intend it to be, so don't do that in future games!" list, I guess.

8) I think I actually didn't do a lot of suspicion throwing off of new players and on to veterans, especially in comparison to other players. Yes, I posted I would rather find a veteran wolf - only because I think a veteran wolf would be a bigger blow to the wolves, and new wolves would be easier to find on thread. However, I haven't been gung ho about finding the veterans and don't think I really made much mention of it otherwise, or voted in a way that would make me all about finding veterans.

9) Everyone mentioned kaydubs a lot, it wasn't just me. It was simply a part of conversation that was relevant. I haven't been posting as much or as in depth as before, probably... and could go into a long explanation about why and life, but the first point tells me that wouldn't be helpful right now 😉. It's just a coinky dink if it's the same time as kaydubs left though.

Any thing I missed?

whoops forgot 10) I haven't found the suspicion lists to be super helpful because I don't trust anyone anyways, so I didn't think it was that big of a deal that I hadn't officially made one, especially because I had made post count already.

 

[Glammyre]

I read 1dog's response, and I haven't seen anything to dramatically change my mind. lynch 1dog

 

[vetmedhead]

I don't like bandwagons on principle, so yeah, you'll see me going off on my own on lynches a lot

Yeah, I'm not big on bandwagons either. I just noticed that you tend to throw out lynch votes where you're either the only person voting for that person or you're one of two or three when other lynch candidates are close to being tied. Like I said, I have a hard time getting a read on you.

 

[1doggeek]

Well, it was a fun game guys. 🙁 I learned a lot, and hopefully won't sound so suspicious in future games to avoid this lynching a villager at end game business!

Not that is super matters at this point, but lynch DVMD. Reread Zen/WZ/DVMD posts and I think DVMD moved up my list a little, because of posting helpful content but possibly sliding under the radar more than the others.

 

[dyachei]

I only have 5 votes from what I count. Who hasn't voted?

I'm willing to let this go another hour.

 

[kaydubs]

***
Such a good chaos soldier.
***

 

[1doggeek]

Well, it was a fun game guys. 🙁 I learned a lot, and hopefully won't sound so suspicious in future games to avoid this lynching a villager at end game business!

Not that is super matters at this point, but lynch DVMD. Reread Zen/WZ/DVMD posts and I think DVMD moved up my list a little, because of posting helpful content but possibly sliding under the radar more than the others.

If it's going another hour, I'll expand on my DVMD vote reasoning...

 

[1doggeek]

I only have 5 votes from what I count. Who hasn't voted?

I'm willing to let this go another hour.

I think VMH is missing a vote

 

[WildZoo]

Couldn't stay away
@Jilary is your theory that vmh is the other mason the only reason you think she's a villager? I think she's a villager anyway but i would be careful with that since it hasn't been confirmed.

@vetmedhead

 

[vetmedhead]

@vetmedhead

Oh, yup, I didn't vote yet. I would be cool with leaving stuff open for another hour for some extra discussion, but I don't know what it would change at this point.

Lynch 1dog.

 

[DVMDream]

Right now zen, WZ & DVMD are at the top of my list. I know DVMD was one of the first to vote for ab, but I could totally see her doing that as a wolf, in fact it was probably the right move (I mean I wouldn't have wanted to play with her either due to lounge bias). Zen could totally play on that level too, but it's definitely a move I could see DVMD or Dy doing to gain villager cred (yes I know Dy is modding not playing, it's just something I've sort of seen her do before). I guess for that reason I will go with DVMD. I'm sure no one will join me and I'm afraid it's going to be game over tonight, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Lynch DVMD

Yup, I have done that before, but when it is needed. Wasn't necessary at that time. I also haven't been in lounge reading post much at all. So I don't really know AB at all.

I just voted my suspicion. I mean, lynch me, but not going to land a wolf and I don't have the time to defend because at work. But if I did, I could point out other, subtle villagery things I did.

 

[vetmedhead]

If it's going another hour, I'll expand on my DVMD vote reasoning...

I would be willing to hear your reasoning if we have extra time!

 

[1doggeek]

When I reread posts from my top three suspicions, I found posts from Zen and WZ that seemed to be new, helpful information on speculating about wolves more so than I found with DVMD. The one thing I found that makes me think DVMD is villager is that she helped start the AB lynch... but if she wanted to get rid of a wolf, one that was annoying or played weirdly would be a good wolf to pick. It would also lend to her villager cred in the future.
Mostly she just seems to be the least speculative about brand new, good wolf finding ideas based on what I saw.

 

[1doggeek]

I would be willing to hear your reasoning if we have extra time!

well I think we're at plurality now anyways so...

 

[WildZoo]

Oh, yup, I didn't vote yet. I would be cool with leaving stuff open for another hour for some extra discussion, but I don't know what it would change at this point.

Lynch 1dog.

Not what i was tagging you about...

 

[WildZoo]

Unlynch 1dog if i can

 

[vetmedhead]

Not what i was tagging you about...

Ah, you wanted to hear about masons? There is a reason I never confirmed Jil's suspicions on thread, and it is because I am not a mason. I have my own suspicions about who mason #1 may be, but I'm not sure if I'm even remotely close and there's no way to confirm it. I never said anything because I assume the real mason has a reason to keep that quiet on thread (possibly because they cannot discuss it on thread) and I was concerned about unintentionally giving a wolf a false cover to hide behind if my suspicions were hilariously wrong.

 

[dyachei]

We'll go to 10 pm.

 

[DVMDream]

When I reread posts from my top three suspicions, I found posts from Zen and WZ that seemed to be new, helpful information on speculating about wolves more so than I found with DVMD. The one thing I found that makes me think DVMD is villager is that she helped start the AB lynch... but if she wanted to get rid of a wolf, one that was annoying or played weirdly would be a good wolf to pick. It would also lend to her villager cred in the future.
Mostly she just seems to be the least speculative about brand new, good wolf finding ideas based on what I saw.

And all my long ass posts on my day off for nothing. 🙁

Really, I did what I could with my long shifts, I'm just as clueless as everyone else to why the wolf or wolves are. I can make reasons for everyone as those long posts showed.

 

[1doggeek]

Unlynch 1dog if i can

Well, WZ just moved a lot further down my wolf suspicion list. Can't see a wolf wanting to stop themselves from winning. 😱
(yes, I know it doesn't do much for anyone else. But if people want to know my suspicion list, that's how it's changed now!)

Also not sure what to make of VMH not being the mason now.

 

[1doggeek]

And all my long ass posts on my day off for nothing. 🙁

Really, I did what I could with my long shifts, I'm just as clueless as everyone else to why the wolf or wolves are. I can make reasons for everyone as those long posts showed.

I'm sorry if you're a villager! 🙁 I appreciated your long posts, simply because they helped give me ideas on what people consider suspicious behavior.
I can see reasons for almost all of you to be a wolf or be a villager and it's so hard to pick the right one!

 

[WildZoo]

Ah, you wanted to hear about masons? There is a reason I never confirmed Jil's suspicions on thread, and it is because I am not a mason. I have my own suspicions about who mason #1 may be, but I'm not sure if I'm even remotely close and there's no way to confirm it. I never said anything because I assume the real mason has a reason to keep that quiet on thread (possibly because they cannot discuss it on thread) and I was concerned about unintentionally giving a wolf a false cover to hide behind if my suspicions were hilariously wrong.

Ok i just didn't want to let lynch close without getting that cleared up in case it changed anything, lile i said I'm pretty sure youre a villager anyway but it might matter for others. Assumptions in WW rarely lead to good things.

 

[vetmedhead]

Ok i just didn't want to let lynch close without getting that cleared up in case it changed anything, lile i said I'm pretty sure youre a villager anyway but it might matter for others. Assumptions in WW rarely lead to good things.

Yeah, I agree that it's probably better to know that. I felt more comfortable sharing that now since we're pretty much at end game.

 

[WildZoo]

Now I'm not sure if my thoughts should change based on that almost closed lynch... sigh

 

[1doggeek]

Now I'm not sure if my thoughts should change based on that almost closed lynch... sigh

I'd be happy to try and put to rest concerns you have about me being a wolf, yet! I really don't want any dumb things I did to be the reason it throws everyone off and we don't lynch a wolf.

Unless you think Jil and I are both wolves, a wolf/two wolves voted for me today. I'm not sure why a wolf would do that, especially considering how late everyone waited to vote and because this close to end game there's not a lot of villager credibility to build.

 

[WildZoo]

I'd be happy to try and put to rest concerns you have about me being a wolf, yet! I really don't want any dumb things I did to be the reason it throws everyone off and we don't lynch a wolf.

Unless you think Jil and I are both wolves, a wolf/two wolves voted for me today. I'm not sure why a wolf would do that, especially considering how late everyone waited to vote and because this close to end game there's not a lot of villager credibility to build.

Well you and Jil are my top two haha

 

[DVMDream]

I might be crazy and risking myself but

Unlynch 1dog, lynch Jilary.

Since been suspicious for a long time. Hopefully that is right.

 

[vetmedhead]

I'd be happy to try and put to rest concerns you have about me being a wolf, yet! I really don't want any dumb things I did to be the reason it throws everyone off and we don't lynch a wolf.

Unless you think Jil and I are both wolves, a wolf/two wolves voted for me today. I'm not sure why a wolf would do that, especially considering how late everyone waited to vote and because this close to end game there's not a lot of villager credibility to build.

I can see a wolf waiting if we are successfully lynching another wolf, as they would need to kill a few more villagers to win if their wolf partner is lynched. This means it's important to not be suspicious to any other villagers still playing so they don't get lynched the day after their compatriot dies.

 

[vetmedhead]

Sigh.

unlynch 1dog.

I want to carry on this conversation a bit before re-lynching.

 

[1doggeek]

Well you and Jil are my top two haha

Well, shucks. That doesn't help much then!

I still would find it weird that all the villagers would then vote the same when nobody has had strong feels recently, and (assuming two wolves, and those wolves are me and Jil) the wolves would vote the same. Would be a big coincidence IMO that the villagers all agreed (and I know they don't, because I am not voting for myself. 😛).
Just thinking about how it looks from your perspective.

 

[vetmedhead]

I can see a wolf waiting if we are successfully lynching another wolf, as they would need to kill a few more villagers to win if their wolf partner is lynched. This means it's important to not be suspicious to any other villagers still playing so they don't get lynched the day after their compatriot dies.

I didn't mean to say waiting, I meant to say voting, as in I could see a wolf voting for their wolf friend.

 

[WildZoo]

Well, shucks. That doesn't help much then!

I still would find it weird that all the villagers would then vote the same when nobody has had strong feels recently, and (assuming two wolves, and those wolves are me and Jil) the wolves would vote the same. Would be a big coincidence IMO that the villagers all agreed (and I know they don't, because I am not voting for myself. 😛).
Just thinking about how it looks from your perspective.

That's what I've been thinking about the last few minutes

 

[vetmedhead]

@Zensing you want to join this discussion at all?

 

[DVMDream]

I think it is quite telling that I'm willing to risk myself to be lynched but neither 1dog or Jilary will unlynch for further discussion. Just something to take notice of.

 

[WildZoo]

**** man i don't know.
Lynch jilary

 

[1doggeek]

I think it is quite telling that I'm willing to risk myself to be lynched but neither 1dog or Jilary will unlynch for further discussion. Just something to take notice of.

Didn't think I needed to unlynch you since you weren't in the lead or at plurality, which is why I thought people unlynched me. Because then lynch stays open. But if that's the proper thing to do to allow better discussion, unlynch DVMD.

 

[vetmedhead]

I have no idea what's even going on anymore.

Lynch jil, we'll see how that goes.

 

[Glammyre]

@Zensing you want to join this discussion at all?

Yes, sorry. Just got back from a walk to try and clear my thoughts.

Willing to unlynch 1dog, lynch jilary. I'm still suspicious of them both

I think it is quite telling that I'm willing to risk myself to be lynched but neither 1dog or Jilary will unlynch for further discussion. Just something to take notice of.

1dog I understand (self-preservation), but you bring up a good point abut Jilary.