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I didn't want to put it yesterday because I didn't want to make BSC/VMH a wolf kill target. I'm not sure that matters as much at this point in the game, so I believe they are the other mason. Every single other person in this game either voted for PBC, said she was suspicious or PBC voted for them/said they were suspicious. So barring conversion, BSC/VMH is a villager.
It's true, ww is a game of lies and trickery. But I have faith in you. I remember the first time I made it to end game (it was actually the first game I made it past n1 and I believe it was also my 3rd game). The only person I trusted was myself, but I read through things and thought critically about everything going on and I eventually figured out who the wolf was, unfortunately no one believed me and the wolves won, but that was partly because LIS was taking the navle and the other player was similarly distracted (maybe didn't want to listen to a noob, I'm not sure). I'm hopeful for the village right now though.Things I've learned in this game: some of you are very good at lying.
I plan on rereading tonight after I get back from teaching 4-H dog training... I've just skimmed the recent posts. Want to make sure we actually lynch a wolf tonight, and I don't think I trust any of you 😉. My suspicion list is probably currently like an umbrella of all your names at the top and me holding the handle.
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So, who do you think would have targeted SOV? I think it's too obvious for a wolf to kill the person who voted for them in the previous lynch (but, ya know, WIFOM).
Right now I'm super tired, but I honestly have no idea. I just know it make absolutely no sense for me to have done it. Didn't SOV vote for 1dogg?
No, he voted for Zen.
Technically, voted for me, then switched to teep and stayed on there until lynch closed.
I knew I should have said "I think he voted for Zen". Oops.
But killing off the one person who believed I am a villager? That would not be smart at all.
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Oh, and I thought BSC/VMH was a good choice since most of us agree s/he is most likely a villager.
I'm waiting for more people to get on. We've still heard virtually nothing from @1doggeek and @vetmedhead, right?
Yes and no. If there were more cycles left, then I would agree that killing someone who's defending you is generally a bad choice. But, as discussed before, this may be our last lynch cycle if there are two wolves. SOV supporting you makes his kill the one that would exonerate you the most and thus may be the perfect one to keep you from getting lynched for the last day you need. Alternatively, 1dog and someone else (DVMD, at this point, since I still trust WZ and buy your BSC reasoning) could have chosen SOV just so the two of us could take up day discussion with our argument and let them skate by.
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Actually SOVs death moves WZ & DVMD up on my list, it didn't affect my opinion of you at all.
I never said that it did. In fact, it'd be weird if it did - wasn't I your top suspicion already, as of end of last day cycle? My point was that you used SOV's death to try and get other people to move me up their lists. Alternatively, I'm wrong about you and the real wolves are using this discussion to hide out today.
I'm not sure how I implicated that SOVs death should affect others feelings about you at all. Where are you getting that? I was actually starting to think maybe I was wrong about you. I'm really worried that DVMD and WZ is a wolf because both will happily vote to lynch me and then all they need is to convince one other person and it's literally game over.
WIFOM = Wine in Front of Me. Refers to the Princess Bride scene. Roughly, "I know, but I know you know, but I know you know I know..." Right now, it's in reference to SOV's death and how it relates to mine or Jilary's guilt/innocence.
WIFOM is the circular reasoning that results from trying to determine the choices of an opponent who acted with full knowledge that their behavior would be subject to scrutiny.
This is what I was thinking as well. Nobody had seriously brought him up as a lynch candidate in days, I don't think he had gotten any votes in at least the last 3 cycles.
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I'm sure others have said this but I don't really think conversion is likely to be a big mechanic this game. I haven't noticed anyone posting differently and I think it would be off to have conversion since there haven't been any no kill nights to my knowledge.
I will argue that I don't think killing me overnight would have been a good wolfkill option, as BSC was posting so minimally that they were definitely likely to be modkilled soon and focusing on killing off that person would probably be low priority for a wolf, who I think would rather target talkative and intuitive players who are more likely to help the village suss out wolves. For that reason I think the two biggest targets for wolf kills probably would have been SOV and DVMD.
As Zen pointed out, the goal may not have been to get specific players to argue but rather to make all of the players scramble because they are losing a player who is opinionated and often helps guide the other villagers to heavily investigate specific players.
I'm definitely feeling 1dog more than Jilary right now too.
This and the fact that she voted for a third party in the AB/1dog led lynch, and that after that lynch everyone basically put 1dog on the back burner, has me leaning heavily towards 1dog. I don't have much in the village column for her either, whereas I do for everyone else.
Agree we should be careful with dropping votes right now due to plurality rules. It seems that a lot of the voting for this cycle is going to be done right before close, barring DVMD who won't be able to get on at close.
I'm working on it, sorry for the long wait. I know it sucks not knowing what to defend yourself against.
Out of curiosity who is on your most suspicious list?
Come to think of it, I don't remember 1dog posting one earlier.
