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Agree on this point.

I am wondering if @Jilary might care to clarify her reasoning for thinking that Zen was wolfy?

I explained my feelings about zen a few times yesterday, please see below.

Also, Zen mentioned something earlier that I would go back and quote, but I have homework I really should get to, but anyway, she said she was quiet this weekend because she thought STL was the cop and maybe got D1 info about me and she didn't want to draw attention to him. This doesn't make sense to me because he was happy to draw attention to himself, so why would she be worried about it? Just seems like a super weird comment to me.

Also, I agree zen is being super weird between the odd defense for being quiet and now the role claim. I know what she means by villager blocker, but I'm not sure I believe the claim. Certainly there were other people she could have chosen to block that were better options, especially since most people had DrS in the likely villager category. I will likely vote that way, but I think we are close to plurality and I'd rather we had the rest of the day to discuss as I feel discussion helps villagers.

Checked the lynch tally, and my vote does not make it plurality, so I'm going to go ahead and

Lynch zen

Blocking DrS makes no sense to me, I was in the mentor chat too, we talked about her unique posting style, it shouldn't have been a surprise here. Being quiet to protect STL because she thought he was the cop also makes no sense
(unless she was worried he would pick up on her wolfiness, that makes more sense).

 

[allyphoe]

Very confident that Zen was a wolf yesterday.

You're very confident? What?

@LetItSnow, Yes, I was confident in casting my vote to lynch Zen and I will be happy to explain my reasoning.

Let me paraphrase the above exchange, since you explicitly solicited feedback.
Doc-S: I [ambiguous tense that could be am or could be was] very confident that Zen was a wolf yesterday.
LIS: You *ARE* very confident? That makes no sense. We already know she was a wolf, because we lynched her and she was a wolf.
Doc-S: Yes, I *WAS* very confident. Let me tell you why in great detail, even though it is entirely irrelevant.

My comments:
1) I pretty much skim over your posts, both because they tend to be tl;dr and because this is not the first time that your knowledge of what you intended to communicate appears to be making it difficult for you to identify when you have failed to communicate.
2) "Let me point out very loudly how I voted for a wolf" is wolfy. This is why even people who felt you were village earlier are side-eyeing you now.
3) Wolves benefit from distracting villagers being distracting.

 

[Coopah]

Let me paraphrase the above exchange, since you explicitly solicited feedback.
Doc-S: I [ambiguous tense that could be am or could be was] very confident that Zen was a wolf yesterday.
LIS: You *ARE* very confident? That makes no sense. We already know she was a wolf, because we lynched her and she was a wolf.
Doc-S: Yes, I *WAS* very confident. Let me tell you why in great detail, even though it is entirely irrelevant.

My comments:
1) I pretty much skim over your posts, both because they tend to be tl;dr and because this is not the first time that your knowledge of what you intended to communicate appears to be making it difficult for you to identify when you have failed to communicate.
2) "Let me point out very loudly how I voted for a wolf" is wolfy. This is why even people who felt you were village earlier are side-eyeing you now.
3) Wolves benefit from distracting villagers being distracting.

I'm not sure I agree with this, Doc S explained why she was confident when asked... why is that wolfy?

 

[Skimble]

To anyone who seems to be having problems reading my posts in this game, kindly tell me what you think I should do differently, okay? I am always happy to learn from others ... no worries ... and thank you.

Your posts just come off as very "formal" I think? Where most of us are very informal on these threads. It's not bad, it's just who you are and that's fine. There are also some things that just come with being a new player, especially one that had no knowledge of this type of game prior to your first noob game. I had followed a few games before playing my first game, and well... I died N1, so I guess I technically followed 3 games before actually playing.

Concerning Jil, I would also like to find out what (if anything) might have led STL to strongly challenge Jil on D2. I'm wondering if Jil might care to say more about that? Just wondering.

I have no idea. He claimed I had a "tell" but I'm calling BS on that as I've also explained many times. He called me out for being excited about the game. I've been excited about lots of games and I've only started a game as a wolf one time in 2.5 years. He said the "tell" worked the majority of the time, which is flat out false. I have no idea how many games I've expressed excitement about, but I'd bet it was more than 5 (I'm not including this game in this count), so in 1 out of those 5+ games, I was a wolf (and so was he, so he knew I was a wolf), that doesn't make it a majority in any type of statistical analysis that I'm aware of.

 

[allyphoe]

I'm not sure I agree with this, Doc S explained why she was confident when asked... why is that wolfy?

The initial post was wolfy, not the second post by Doc-S.

She was not asked to explain why she was confident. She was asked to clarify the tense she intended.

 

[Coopah]

The initial post was wolfy, not the second post by Doc-S.

She was not asked to explain why she was confident. She was asked to clarify the tense she intended.

Just to point out distracting villagers... you are being one right now . Also the first post was past tense. "Very confident Zen WAS a wolf yesterday"

I think LIS was asking more or less why she was stating that or why. This discussion is pointless. I'm going to stop too.

 

[Abnerrs]

The initial post was wolfy, not the second post by Doc-S.

She was not asked to explain why she was confident. She was asked to clarify the tense she intended.

Agreed. Like I said. It was the "I'm confident Zen was a wolf"... right below the post identitying Zen as a wolf... that got me all

 

[Abnerrs]

Just to point out distracting villagers... you are being one right now . Also the first post was past tense. "Very confident Zen WAS a wolf yesterday"

I think LIS was asking more or less why she was stating that or why. This discussion is pointless. I'm going to stop too.

I don't agree. At least that is not how I took his post and docs' made me squint for a second

 

[LetItSnow]

Relax, all. I just misread Doc-S's post. I thought she was saying she was confident Zen was a wolf and I was like "yeah, no duh, it says so one or two posts above you in the results."

I just misunderstood. It was, however, a bit weird to point out the certainty retrospectively. If you were that confident, it should have been said before the lynch, not after.

 

[SkiOtter]

Nope, midterm is next Tuesday. Today's my day off, so it's my big study day, and tomorrow I'm @ work 8-5:30 and at biochem class 6-9. (sorry, probs TMI about IRL, but anyway, that's why this might be a slightly lighter day cycle for me).

Ahhh, I read it as your midterm IS today and you have to study for it

 

[Abnerrs]

Relax, all. I just misread Doc-S's post. I thought she was saying she was confident Zen was a wolf and I was like "yeah, no duh, it says so one or two posts above you in the results."

I just misunderstood. It was, however, a bit weird to point out the certainty retrospectively. If you were that confident, it should have been said before the lynch, not after.

DON'T TELL ME TO RELAX. I AM RELAXED!

 

[Trilt]

Okay. So I'm going to assume (for better or worse) that this post from Zensing is what the wolves thought N1; namely, that STL was a role seer who got an N0 peek, seered Jilary, and was not going to let the topic go. This explains nicely why he died so early despite there being so much suspicion on him, and completely ****s up analysis of D2 lynches. If the wolves assumed STL would be shortly outed as a seer and that he was so adamant on Jilary, they would have thought her dead meat. So don't assume early voting for Jil really means anything for villager status, and honestly, in the line-up between raf and Jil I'm inclined to look at the people who voted Jil with significant suspicion.

If people want links to the previous lynch tallies:
Day one
Day two
Day three

I want to hear more from these people, somewhat in this order:

@Animal Midwife - she was a mid-range Jil voter D2, stuck with Jil quickly d3. Still hasn't contributed much, had that post early where she said she wanted to learn to play better but then just used the excuse for following STL as a voting crutch.
@SARdoghandler - Lots of fluff posts, only really suspicious of wolves when the wagon is going solidly on them already. There are some things that make me lean a little village, some wolf, just want to hear suspicions.
@finnickthedog - still think ally is sketchy? any new thoughts? I know I have to drag them out of you kicking and screaming.
@awesomenessity - Also lots of fluff and not a lot of substance. Gimme your reads please.
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I think it's worth keeping an eye on LIS... while he has been very good about posting suspicions and whatnot, I don't think he has actually really pushed a lynch on a wolf yet before they picked up speed on their own.

And a couple others, but back to work I goooo.

 

[KCgophervet]

1. Had same eyebrow raising moment as LIS, ally, and abnerrs did about Dr.S's "confident Zen was a wolf" following the results of "Zen is a wolf." For now chalking it up to her posting style, which takes some getting used to. Coop's calling out ally for being distracting also made me eyebrow though. Having current feels on people for potentially suspicious play and discussing it is not distracting.
2. DVMD kill feels... weird. Filing that away.
3. Sorry I missed lynch close yesterday (did it close early for plurality?) Had a bunch of people over and we played Silent Hitler which is pretty fun werewolf-esque style game and didn't check in until it was done.
4. I posted my reasons earlier for not wanting to confirm/deny whatever may or may not have happened to me N1 but am willing to discuss if people want the info for further analysis of Zen.
5. Planning to vote Jil, feel like that will give us a bit of info about some other things that have been going on, but holding off due to plurality rules.

 

[Trilt]

And fwiw, I'll be voting Jilary today basically no matter what. I will be pretty damn shocked if she is not a wolf.

 

[Abnerrs]

1. Had same eyebrow raising moment as LIS, ally, and abnerrs did about Dr.S's "confident Zen was a wolf" following the results of "Zen is a wolf." For now chalking it up to her posting style, which takes some getting used to. Coop's calling out ally for being distracting also made me eyebrow though. Having current feels on people for potentially suspicious play and discussing it is not distracting.
2. DVMD kill feels... weird. Filing that away.
3. Sorry I missed lynch close yesterday (did it close early for plurality?) Had a bunch of people over and we played Silent Hitler which is pretty fun werewolf-esque style game and didn't check in until it was done.
4. I posted my reasons earlier for not wanting to confirm/deny whatever may or may not have happened to me N1 but am willing to discuss if people want the info for further analysis of Zen.
5. Planning to vote Jil, feel like that will give us a bit of info about some other things that have been going on, but holding off due to plurality rules.

I agree. It was a weird choice.

 

[finnickthedog]

Okay. So I'm going to assume (for better or worse) that this post from Zensing is what the wolves thought N1; namely, that STL was a role seer who got an N0 peek, seered Jilary, and was not going to let the topic go. This explains nicely why he died so early despite there being so much suspicion on him, and completely ****s up analysis of D2 lynches. If the wolves assumed STL would be shortly outed as a seer and that he was so adamant on Jilary, they would have thought her dead meat. So don't assume early voting for Jil really means anything for villager status, and honestly, in the line-up between raf and Jil I'm inclined to look at the people who voted Jil with significant suspicion.

If people want links to the previous lynch tallies:
Day one
Day two
Day three

I want to hear more from these people, somewhat in this order:

@Animal Midwife - she was a mid-range Jil voter D2, stuck with Jil quickly d3. Still hasn't contributed much, had that post early where she said she wanted to learn to play better but then just used the excuse for following STL as a voting crutch.
@SARdoghandler - Lots of fluff posts, only really suspicious of wolves when the wagon is going solidly on them already. There are some things that make me lean a little village, some wolf, just want to hear suspicions.
@finnickthedog - still think ally is sketchy? any new thoughts? I know I have to drag them out of you kicking and screaming.
@awesomenessity - Also lots of fluff and not a lot of substance. Gimme your reads please.
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I think it's worth keeping an eye on LIS... while he has been very good about posting suspicions and whatnot, I don't think he has actually really pushed a lynch on a wolf yet before they picked up speed on their own.

And a couple others, but back to work I goooo.

I'll let you know after I get back to a computer and reevaluate some of my suspicions. I promise to only kick and scream a little bit.

 

[PippyPony]

I think it's worth keeping an eye on LIS... while he has been very good about posting suspicions and whatnot, I don't think he has actually really pushed a lynch on a wolf yet before they picked up speed on their own.

Also a good point considering he had Zen in his "strong village" category D2 when he first actually started posting. Why? Why move so quickly to put her in the strong village camp? I don't think she had posted much of anything at that point.

 

[Doctor-S]

Let me paraphrase the above exchange, since you explicitly solicited feedback.
Doc-S: I [ambiguous tense that could be am or could be was] very confident that Zen was a wolf yesterday.
LIS: You *ARE* very confident? That makes no sense. We already know she was a wolf, because we lynched her and she was a wolf.
Doc-S: Yes, I *WAS* very confident. Let me tell you why in great detail, even though it is entirely irrelevant.

My comments:
1) I pretty much skim over your posts, both because they tend to be tl;dr and because this is not the first time that your knowledge of what you intended to communicate appears to be making it difficult for you to identify when you have failed to communicate.
2) "Let me point out very loudly how I voted for a wolf" is wolfy. This is why even people who felt you were village earlier are side-eyeing you now.
3) Wolves benefit from distracting villagers being distracting.

Ally, you are welcome to read my posts from D3. Did I make any other posts where I didn't include an "I" or "you" or "he" or "she," or "they" in them? In any event, I already provided my thoughts about Zen above. This is the 2nd time I have played in a WW game, so I always welcome feedback from more experienced players - so thank you for your feedback - it is sincerely appreciated.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Hmm not trying to analyze too much, but I wonder why the wolves chose DVMD. I mean there are a lot more strong village players right now and nothing about DVMD made me think she had an ability. But I'm pretty bad at reading that. She was on the may be wolf because hard to read list. Leaving it for now because I think all we have there is WIFOM. But makes me wonder about some of the older players who know her well might take her out because she's good? Idk

Still voting Jil tonight especially because of Zen being wolf and Trilts theory among my other thoughts. I will wait to vote for pluralitys sake though. Are we thinking of closing tonight or waiting a full 36 hours?

 

[Trilt]

I'll let you know after I get back to a computer and reevaluate some of my suspicions. I promise to only kick and scream a little bit.

stop being grumpy about someone making you play the game you signed up for. you can't claim you don't have enough information to have suspicions now.

 

[Trilt]

Hmm not trying to analyze too much, but I wonder why the wolves chose DVMD. I mean there are a lot more strong village players right now and nothing about DVMD made me think she had an ability. But I'm pretty bad at reading that. She was on the may be wolf because hard to read list. Leaving it for now because I think all we have there is WIFOM. But makes me wonder about some of the older players who know her well might take her out because she's good? Idk

Still voting Jil tonight especially because of Zen being wolf and Trilts theory among my other thoughts. I will wait to vote for pluralitys sake though. Are we thinking of closing tonight or waiting a full 36 hours?

I think we should see how the conversation goes. If it eventually grinds to a halt, maybe close a bit early, but I'm inclined to let it go all the way as long as discussion is occurring.

 

[DVMDream]

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[SARdoghandler]

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@SARdoghandler - Lots of fluff posts, only really suspicious of wolves when the wagon is going solidly on them already. There are some things that make me lean a little village, some wolf, just want to hear suspicions..​

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Unfortunately I may not be around much today/tomorrow due to events, but I will try to address this directly. Frankly, I don't agree with your assessment of my play thus far. I feel like I have put forward some strong attempts at coming up with theories - right or wrong - for people to discuss. And most of the time they are completely ignored or someone else states the same thing 5-6 posts later and gets a lot of feedback. So not quite sure what's going on there.

As for not being suspicious of wolves til near the end - I am typically only able to get on reliably in the evenings so sometimes come in well after suspicions have been thrown around. Also, was suspicious of Zen early on (I believe I said that on thread? Will have to check) in the last day cycle but when I made it on, a ton of people had already voted there. I didn't want to push to plurality - which I believe is something that you push for so should be a good mark in your books.

Going to go pull some quotes for my posts to back up what I'm saying here, as well as where I've stated I have suspicions (AM being my main one). But there's the beginning of hearing from me, anyway hahah

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Okay. So I'm going to assume (for better or worse) that this post from Zensing is what the wolves thought N1; namely, that STL was a role seer who got an N0 peek, seered Jilary, and was not going to let the topic go. This explains nicely why he died so early despite there being so much suspicion on him, and completely ****s up analysis of D2 lynches. If the wolves assumed STL would be shortly outed as a seer and that he was so adamant on Jilary, they would have thought her dead meat. So don't assume early voting for Jil really means anything for villager status, and honestly, in the line-up between raf and Jil I'm inclined to look at the people who voted Jil with significant suspicion.

Hmm interesting. I would have said almost the opposite. Raf was having a terrible game wolfing and I would guess the wolves knew she was going down. Especially since raf didn't have an ability if Jil had an ability the wolves would prefer rafs lynch. Also a lot of people jumped on the Raf lynch in the last 2 hours when Jil was in the lead. I bet they figured if they could kill STL, Jil could talk herself to stay in the game for a couple more days while they use her ability. Raf definitely couldn't have talked herself out of being lynched and since she didn't have an ability I think the wolves would jump on her lynch.

 

[finnickthedog]

stop being grumpy about someone making you play the game you signed up for. you can't claim you don't have enough information to have suspicions now.

Oh chill, I was kidding which I thought was clear by saying that I'll only kick and scream a little bit.

Also didn't say I don't have enough information to have suspicions. Quite the opposite, I said I have suspicions but that I want to reevaluate them and will do so when I get back to my computer. I just don't feel like searching posts on my phone. Why are you on my case about that?

Sorry I responded though. Clearly it would have been better just to ignore you until I was off my phone.

 

[awesomenessity]

@awesomenessity - Also lots of fluff and not a lot of substance. Gimme your reads please.​

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Jilary, number 1. Partly because I'm somewhat curious to see if STL was right, and I think regardless of how she flips it will provide some interesting information. If she flips village, then I'd be very suspicious of AM (who I have been suspicious of previously on a more feelsy basis) because she voted for her both D2 and D3, a bit lost in the crowd of a mini-bandwagon. If she flips wolf, then I think we can basically confirm abnerrs, confusing and serher as village, having voted for raf D2 and Jil D3. I will note however that Jil voted both Zen and Raf, so that does give her some villager-cred.

My other wolfy leans are AM, Finn and Ski. Also slightly leaning wolfy on kc.
Neutral: snowy, SAR, coopah, WZ (feel like I haven't heard from them in a while?), ally
Village lean: abnerrs, DocS, Pippy(ish), Trilt, confusing and serher. Slight village lean on LIS but he's a crafty one.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Some relevant quotes for me trying hard to be not-fluffy (a weakness for me), thoughts on Zen, why I've held off on votes, and who I am suspicious of:

IDK about Ski. To me it would be a pretty crappy wolf move to be suuper vocal about wanting to lynch someone who would flip villager. Obviously that reflects poorly on whoever started pushing that lynch. (Unless, of course, smart meta wolf is smart but right now I'm not super suspicious in that direction.)

So I agree that looking at queiter people might be at least an interesting way to look for some discussion today. With that said, I'd like to hear from:

Cyndia (3 posts yesterday/0 today). Didn't even make the 5 posts yesterday when it seemed pretty clear that such was the expectation.

Finn (3 posts yesterday/0 today). Same thing, didn't even make post count yesterday.

LIS - obviously no posts yesterday or today. But I have feels that something more is going on here based on prior posts about this?

AM (11 posts yesterday/3 today). While AM has been more active on the thread, almost every single post made has been a one liner with just about nothing useful added/no participation in discussion. This stood out to me when comparing to literally everyone else so far posting on the thread. Everyone else seems to have at least a few posts partaking in discussion.

Other quieter people that I'm not really suspicious of at this point but should be mentioned (though note that a lot of this people will likely be removed from this list as they seem to be quite active today):

Nyanko (5 posts yesterday/3 today)
HowConfusing (7 posts yesterday/2 today)
Kcoughli (9/0)
Mmmd (9/1)
Awesomenessity (5/1)


LEaving Zensing and DVMD off this list. Not many posts yesterday relatively, but both are on track to be much higher today. I'm also on the lower count for yesterday, but aiming to be more useful today.

*Note "Yesterday" and "Today" are referring to game day cycles.

I'm not saying to straight up lynch the quiet people. Just pointing out what I've noticed so far as a possible discussion route. Just trying to actually help game solve/put information out there for others to think about since I'm not super great at it

So this post got some negative and positive feedback. Still feeling feels for Finn and AM, partially still from this analysis. Also, I did make a note that Zensing missed making this list very narrowly.

Yeah, I have to admit I felt a bit like the pot calling the kettle black haha. That is why I mentioned myself in that post briefly. I was going to actually put myself on my own 'quiet people' list but decided that might be a bit too odd. Apparently I often come off as wolfy, despite the fact I've never been one haha. I am going to try to be around a bit more though, if that's what was giving you the sketchy feels

Hmmmm. I agree with this, now that you've pointed it out. I was thinking its not terribly unusual for her to be quietish, but you're right that usually she is quite insightful when she does post.

Agreeing, still relatively early on, that raf wasn't acting like her usual self. I stayed on AM because I felt stronger in that direction.

I can kind of see both sides of this argument. I mean, I am also a quieter poster and joined this game to try and get better at being active in game solving. Given that, I can see how "I'll be better! Lynch so and so because reasons not my own" is sketchy. But she also only had 20 minutes between her post and being called out (takes way longer for me to catch up on this thread!), so I'm willing to wait and see if any actually useful game solving comes out before I waffle off of my vote.

If I waffle, likely going for Cyndia for contributing very little to the game today and the sketchy post from earlier that's been quoted a few times. HowConfusing is still on my radar too, but not as much for today.

Justifying voting for AM over anyone else. I still feel like this strongly stands, I still haven't felt like I've seen much other than fluff there (though I could have been skimming and missed it, if so, let me know AM!)

This was interesting to me and got me thinking, though I think my thoughts are all WIFOM too. And a hell of a lot of assumptions but here goes, just to throw some thoughts about there that most specifically pertain to the whole lynch/not-lynch Jilary.

All of this is based on the assumption that STL killed Nyanko last night.

If we assume STL was neutral but village leaning, it makes no sense to kill Nyanko when he was so set on Jilary being wolfy. If you are trying to help village, killing someone who is not under suspicion (and risk killing a villager) instead of someone you've said is a wolf is stupid, IMO. And considering there was quite a few people pushing Jilary, it wouldn't have singled him out as a potential killing role holder (again, IMO, but I might be less perceptive than many).

If we assume STL was leaning wolf, then the kill on Nyanko makes more sense. But then I really doubt that Jilary is actually a wolf as I couldn't see a wolf-leaning neutral putting a huge target on an actual wolf's back considering how close that lynch was.

So considering that quite a few people have said that STL seemed villager leaning (and also the arguments for if STL was wolf-leaning), I'm much less likely to consider Jilary as being wolfy and will likely consider going elsewhere with my vote for today. Not sure where that's going to be yet, might go back to AM again.

Early arguments on the day we ended up lynching Zen. Also explaining why I'm not totally sold on the Jilary lynch. She may be playing me hard core, but I'm still somewhat on the fence of whether she was just super unlucky.

Oh god anatomy review sessions fry my brain, guys. Wish me luck next week though, gonna try and claw my grade up to a C-!

In actually related to the game-things: I am strongly leaning towards a Zen lynch. Her recent posts and theories have given me tinglies on the back of my neck where Jil's have not. I'm more inclined to believe Jil, if only because she sounds exactly like me being a villager trying to defend myself in the last two games hahaha. I might be totally misled there, but I can come back to analyze that more if necessary.

AM is still very much on my radar as she came in, promised to be better, and promptly peaced out again. Still think she's sketchy. Still will probably lynch vote for her in the next few days.

Also have mild feels for Finn. Just their posts seem sketchy to me, but I've never played with them before. And as a player who apaprently always comes off as sketchy when I am a villager, it feels kind of silly for me to say that but such are feels haha.

Will try to do some more analysis and thoughts tomorrow after I try to reboot my brain from all this anatomy crap in class right now (in other news for anyone who needs a laugh, my dog dissection group was trying to remove a hind leg today, got angry with it and tried to dislocate the hip to speed the process. Literally broke the pelvis in half - in a few places - instead. I guess none of us are going to do orthopedics. Hahahahah)

Update from the last post on when I starting switching to Zen instead. Reiterate I'm still suspicious of AM and Finn. Nothing really concrete for me to go off of, but was starting to develop feels. I believe this was still early in the lynch cycle.

Also, not casting a vote for Zen yet - likely tomorrow. Simply because I don't know how many votes are in and I don't want to be the person that causes the majority and screws up the entire day/night cycles.

Avoiding plurality, but stating that's where my vote is going - as a number of more experienced players have pointed out is good strategy.

I basically agree with what everyone else has been saying. The role reveal doesn't seem genuine to me, and those targets definitely seem odd. There's quite a few others I'd be blocking if I had that role before I blocked KC or Doc-S. Especially with conversations during the day involving in depth discussions of who we think are the wolves.

Also I find it weird that with an entire day of discussion left, Zen chose to role reveal that early. I mean yes, she said she's tried to defend herself to no avail but I'd be defending a lot more if I were a role-villager. Throw out other people who might be wolves, lay out all the theories etc etc so at least if you got lynched, it gives things for other people to think about later. But outing herself so early she's either lynched tonight by the village or if she's telling the truth and isn't a wolf, the wolves will kill her overnight for being a power role anyway.

Not sure if that makes any sense because I am very tired, but I just don't buy that role reveal at the time it was revealed.

That in combination with the other arguments I listed last night, I will actually place my lynch vote.

Lynch Zensing

Lynch vote for Zen. Also pointing out (which hadn't been yet) why I thought role revealing so early in the day was sketch.

I don't buy blocking Doc-S because her posting style felt weird. If you look at the Noob Circus game, that's just literally how she always posts. Yes, it confused many of us, and we did eventually lynch her for it. And she was a villager.

I think Doc-S just has a very different way of seeing/thinking about the game haha

So there's some quotes for you - if only because I feel like I'm trying hard to be less fluffy haha. To reiterate where my suspicions are (and have been for the last couple of days)

AM - still fishy, still feels. Said she'd try to play better, still flying very under the radar in my opinion and I don't feel like I've seen her contribute to theories at all

Finn - quiet and giving me the feels, though nothing really concrete

Jilary - on the fence. I understand why so many people are lynching her, but I also still feel like she might just be super unlucky this go around.

Will likely cast my vote between AM/Jilary today. AM if Jilary still says nothing that moves me off the fence, Jilary if she says something that sketches me out.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Wow, sorry frands. That was way longer than I thought it would be when I put it together.

 

[awesomenessity]

Some relevant quotes for me trying hard to be not-fluffy (a weakness for me), thoughts on Zen, why I've held off on votes, and who I am suspicious of:






So this post got some negative and positive feedback. Still feeling feels for Finn and AM, partially still from this analysis. Also, I did make a note that Zensing missed making this list very narrowly.




Agreeing, still relatively early on, that raf wasn't acting like her usual self. I stayed on AM because I felt stronger in that direction.


Justifying voting for AM over anyone else. I still feel like this strongly stands, I still haven't felt like I've seen much other than fluff there (though I could have been skimming and missed it, if so, let me know AM!)


Early arguments on the day we ended up lynching Zen. Also explaining why I'm not totally sold on the Jilary lynch. She may be playing me hard core, but I'm still somewhat on the fence of whether she was just super unlucky.


Update from the last post on when I starting switching to Zen instead. Reiterate I'm still suspicious of AM and Finn. Nothing really concrete for me to go off of, but was starting to develop feels. I believe this was still early in the lynch cycle.


Avoiding plurality, but stating that's where my vote is going - as a number of more experienced players have pointed out is good strategy.


Lynch vote for Zen. Also pointing out (which hadn't been yet) why I thought role revealing so early in the day was sketch.




So there's some quotes for you - if only because I feel like I'm trying hard to be less fluffy haha. To reiterate where my suspicions are (and have been for the last couple of days)

AM - still fishy, still feels. Said she'd try to play better, still flying very under the radar in my opinion and I don't feel like I've seen her contribute to theories at all

Finn - quiet and giving me the feels, though nothing really concrete

Jilary - on the fence. I understand why so many people are lynching her, but I also still feel like she might just be super unlucky this go around.

Will likely cast my vote between AM/Jilary today. AM if Jilary still says nothing that moves me off the fence, Jilary if she says something that sketches me out.

Why I'm Not A Fluffypants: A short novel by SAR

 

[Skimble]

Honestly, I give up. Many of you have even said you will vote for me no matter what, so there really is no point in me trying. I guess tag me if you have any questions for me specifically. I'll try to answer as best I can.

I like 90% believe that STL actually thought he found a tell and was jumping on it. It's absolutely something he would do, and he did admonish the other wolves. (including Jil) for early enthusiasm in the Pokemon game so it's not just a made up thing recently.

One question I have for trilt, could you tell me where STL supposedly did this? I thought maybe I just missed it the first time I skimmed through the pokemon wolf chat, but I checked all 25 pages again, and the only mention of being over eager was from Dy because a few wolves posted immediately after night close. You tend to close your games early enough that I can check in when I first get up, or on the train to school, so that wasn't really weird for me at the time, lately I've been studying on the train instead, and night closes later in this game, so I would really only be able to post early EOD (real life days, not WW days) anyway. I'm honestly curious. I know you think he was legit onto something, but he wasn't and if this becomes a thing of lynching me for being happy about a game, it's really going to annoy the crap out of me.

I think zen made up the cop thing to explain her quietness and throw some shade in my direction in hopes of distracting everyone from her. I thought it was a weird claim and said so on thread while no one else seemed to pick up on it.

With that, good luck villagers!

 

[WildZoo]

WZ (feel like I haven't heard from them in a while?)

Are you joking or are you joking. How many times do I have to post in the game to be sufficiently heard from? 😛

 

[Coopah]

Are you joking or are you joking. How many times do I have to post in the game to be sufficiently heard from? 😛

Clearly her eyes glaze over from the adorable profile pic and doesn't read or register anything you say. Here let me help: WILDZOO HAS BEEN ON AND POSTED

 

[DVMDream]

************
I have a very special message:

That is all, you may return to your ww game now.
*************************

 

[WildZoo]

Clearly her eyes glaze over from the adorable profile pic and doesn't read or register anything you say. Here let me help: WILDZOO HAS BEEN ON AND POSTED

Well she should try reading my stuff since I listed her as a top suspect and a lazy, inaccurate comment like that doesn't help her situation in my eyes 😉

 

[Cyndia]

It would be nice if we could confirm that kc and Dr. S were blocked. I feel good about Dr. S, not sure about kc. Harder to coordinate deceptions that require group participation on the thread when you can't PM during the day though, so not going to dwell on the fancy play possibilities too much right now.

I'm inclined to move both Dr. S and kc into my more strongly villager pile. Considering Zen actually was a blocker, I'm thinking she legitimately listed off the people she blocked and tried to list some fake logic behind choosing them. It's what I would have done on the off chance she could have been called out on it, in case the people she blocked received some sort of notification. And I don't think zen would have lied and picked random names to list, because she could listed way better fake block choices instead of picking block choices that didn't make total sense from a villager point of view...

Also Dr. S does have a weird formal style of posting, but she does that on non-ww threads that I've seen, and so I'm kind of writing it off as a personality quirk.

 

[Cyndia]

Also - definitely voting for jilary today. But I'll hold off until discussion fizzles and we decide we're ready to end it.

 

[Coopah]

I'm inclined to move both Dr. S and kc into my more strongly villager pile. Considering Zen actually was a blocker, I'm thinking she legitimately listed off the people she blocked and tried to list some fake logic behind choosing them. It's what I would have done on the off chance she could have been called out on it, in case the people she blocked received some sort of notification. And I don't think zen would have lied and picked random names to list, because she could listed way better fake block choices instead of picking block choices that didn't make total sense from a villager point of view...

Also Dr. S does have a weird formal style of posting, but she does that on non-ww threads that I've seen, and so I'm kind of writing it off as a personality quirk.

What's your logic behind KC as a strong villager?

 

[Coopah]

I'm inclined to move both Dr. S and kc into my more strongly villager pile. Considering Zen actually was a blocker, I'm thinking she legitimately listed off the people she blocked and tried to list some fake logic behind choosing them. It's what I would have done on the off chance she could have been called out on it, in case the people she blocked received some sort of notification. And I don't think zen would have lied and picked random names to list, because she could listed way better fake block choices instead of picking block choices that didn't make total sense from a villager point of view...

Also Dr. S does have a weird formal style of posting, but she does that on non-ww threads that I've seen, and so I'm kind of writing it off as a personality quirk.

Nevermind, I literally just processes the rest of your post, my brain is playing catch up today!

 

[deleted806434]

I just reviewed Zen's posts and I have a few thoughts about them. Some of these thoughts have already been brought up by other people but I figured I would share anyway:

Zen appears to have (possibly) softly vouched for Jilary a couple of times. Things like "I don't have a very good read on her" and "I would like to hear from her first before I lynch her." I realize both wolves and villagers would make statements like this, but given all of the commotion around Jilary during this game and now knowing Zen was a wolf, these posts just further cement my feelings about Jilary. Also, another reason I think this is because it's similar to how she soft vouched for raf a couple times, considering her strange comments "noob" and just brushing them off.

I have posted about having strange feelings about Coopah earlier in the game, but I agree with WZ that Zen going after Coopah a couple times this game makes me think Coopah is leaning more toward village than I initially thought. It wouldn't have made much sense for Zen to go after another wolf repeatedly, considering we now know that two wolves (Zen and raf) and a third probable wolf (Jil) were getting SO much attention this early in the game.

These games seem to be using Mafia Universe versions of roles instead of our traditional ones. I haven't found the threads back on Mafia Wiki, but I thought I remembered that in the 2015 championship game (DocE's game) the cop gets a Day 0 alignment read of someone of their choice (referred to as Cop Head Start.

STL was pushing Jilary so strongly as a wolf, and refusing to explain his tell for so long, that it made more sense to me that he had evidence that she was a wolf and was making up a tell than that he'd push an unknown player that strongly on day 1 or day 2. Evidence could be the cop head start, or that he was a wolf looking to bus a member. I'd read through Jilary's posts and couldn't figure out the tell, but I also didn't see a lot that pointed me towards villageriness. I was wiling to lynch Jilary to figure out STL's accuracy.

I came to the conclusion that STL was probably cop or wolf on Sunday. This is why I stayed quiet - I didn't want to attract wolf attention on him if he was potentially the cop. Better to stay quiet and avoid attracting wolf notice to STL while still putting my vote towards Jilary's lynch. Unfortunately, that also means I didn't contribute much last day cycle.

I agree with Trilt that I think it's safe to assume that this is probably the thought process of the wolves N1. This is such an elaborate and plausible theory that I felt it would have been too hard to make up.

As a last point, because Zen's block choices were so strange, I agree with what Cyndia just posted that these were likely her actual block targets and not ones Zen made up. She could have picked much better fake targets to make her role reveal WAY more convincing.

 

[Doctor-S]

I'm still struggling to get some feelings about players.. So here goes:

1. @SnowshoeDog143. She feels neutral to me or leaning to villager. She hasn't posted much but when she does post, her comments sound reasonable to me. She has said that she has some "feels" about Finn though I don't know if she still feels this way about Finn.

2. @Abnerrs. I don't know what to make of her. Her posts seem serious at times, and at other times, they're just plain funny. Her posts can be very entertaining and I have found myself laughing at some of them. They might also distract attention from her. DVMD wanted to lynch her, but I don't know why DVMD wanted to lynch her. DVMD flipped village - so I'm wondering if DVMD actually had a reason for lynching Abs. If not, I don't know why DVMD would throw a vote away on Abs. She didn't say much before she was killed last night - so I'm struggling with this one.

3. @SkiOtter. I don't know one way or the other. Sometimes, she sounds neutral, or leaning villager, or leaning wolf.

 

[Doctor-S]

More of my thoughts:

1. @Coopah. She seems to be leaning villager to me. That's just my feeling right now.

2. @finnickthedog. It doesn't feel as if he's interested in finding wolves. I don't know if he's neutral or leaning wolfy. He seems to be content to hang out of sight and doesn't seem to be particularly involved in this game. Maybe he's just a laid-back guy. Or maybe there is a reason that his posts seem to be non-committal until the end of the voting cycle.

3. @serher seems to be helpful and trying to think things out. So she's leaning villager to me right now.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm inclined to move both Dr. S and kc into my more strongly villager pile. Considering Zen actually was a blocker, I'm thinking she legitimately listed off the people she blocked and tried to list some fake logic behind choosing them. It's what I would have done on the off chance she could have been called out on it, in case the people she blocked received some sort of notification. And I don't think zen would have lied and picked random names to list, because she could listed way better fake block choices instead of picking block choices that didn't make total sense from a villager point of view...

As a last point, because Zen's block choices were so strange, I agree with what Cyndia just posted that these were likely her actual block targets and not ones Zen made up. She could have picked much better fake targets to make her role reveal WAY more convincing.

I don't so much think she would have picked fake targets like that, as that she could have said she blocked one of them when she really didn't, because one of them is a wolf. This would play into the earlier theory that she blocked STL N1. He was dead by the time she revealed so he couldn't have refuted it. Anyway like I said, I'm not putting too much thought into it at the moment but I just don't want to put either of them as 100% cleared when there is no way for us to confirm that they were actually blocked.

2. @finnickthedog. It doesn't feel as if he's interested in finding wolves. I don't know if he's neutral or leaning wolfy. He seems to be content to hang out of sight and doesn't seem to be particularly involved in this game. Maybe he's just a laid-back guy. Or maybe there is a reason that his posts seem to be non-committal until the end of the voting cycle.

1) Finny is a lady
2) Her attitude here is normal for her. Which, unfortunately, doesn't do her much good. I can't remember how she played when she's been a wolf so I'll have to look but her normal village play is exceedingly easy to mirror as a wolf, so I wouldn't expect it to be much different. Which just means she's kind of a "well, normal finn" in my spreadsheet. I can never read her.

 

[Doctor-S]

Sorry!

When I saw your avatar showing the actor from the Hunger Games, I guess I thought you were a guy. Very sorry, my bad. 🙂

By the way, I am not a tiger - not that anyone cares.

 

[awesomenessity]

Are you joking or are you joking. How many times do I have to post in the game to be sufficiently heard from? 😛

Lol I didn't actually check when the last time you posted was 😛 I just didn't remember anything recent you had said and was too lazy to find out. I didn't mean you hadn't been posting a ton, haha.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Clearly her eyes glaze over from the adorable profile pic and doesn't read or register anything you say. Here let me help: WILDZOO HAS BEEN ON AND POSTED

Woaaaaah. This seemed really aggressive to an offhand comment. Esp since nessy has WZ in neutral, not woly.

 

[Abnerrs]

I'm still struggling to get some feelings about players.. So here goes:

1. @SnowshoeDog143. She feels neutral to me or leaning to villager. She hasn't posted much but when she does post, her comments sound reasonable to me. She has said that she has some "feels" about Finn though I don't know if she still feels this way about Finn.

2. @Abnerrs. I don't know what to make of her. Her posts seem serious at times, and at other times, they're just plain funny. Her posts can be very entertaining and I have found myself laughing at some of them. They might also distract attention from her. DVMD wanted to lynch her, but I don't know why DVMD wanted to lynch her. DVMD flipped village - so I'm wondering if DVMD actually had a reason for lynching Abs. If not, I don't know why DVMD would throw a vote away on Abs. She didn't say much before she was killed last night - so I'm struggling with this one.

3. @SkiOtter. I don't know one way or the other. Sometimes, she sounds neutral, or leaning villager, or leaning wolf.

1. I'm kind of an idiot. And sometimes that's funny. (Sometimes I'm an ass hat too and meanly sarcastic. Sorry bout that)

B. Dvmd doesn't trust me. Like. Ever lol.

Lastly. It's a titch easier to make posts with feelings now that the game has gotten rolling and I'm not acting like an dingus (which lis gently called me out on)

 

[Abnerrs]

Woaaaaah. This seemed really aggressive to an offhand comment. Esp since nessy has WZ in neutral, not woly.

I read it as a sarcastic joke

 

[Coopah]

Woaaaaah. This seemed really aggressive to an offhand comment. Esp since nessy has WZ in neutral, not woly.

Relax, I was just joking!

 

[Skimble]

Did anyone actually look up the serial killer description on mafia universe? I just did and found it interesting. Sounds more like a loan wolf than neutral. I'm actually surprised no one quoted anything more than the "last man standing" part after STL died. Serial Killer

Role Description:
The Serial Killer is an independently aligned role that may kill someone each night and wins by being last man standing.

Notes:
The Serial Killer's nightkill is often considered factional, since they are their own faction. This means If investigated by a Role Cop or Vanilla Cop, a Serial Killer with no additional abilities should view as "Vanilla". Also, Firearms Inspectors should not receive a positive result for Serial Killers, since, in terms of flavor, Serial Killers are considered to be using knives rather than guns. Because it's difficult to win as a Serial Killer, it's considered very common to give them extra abilities, which may include: Being investigation-immune (will be viewed as town-aligned if investigated), being Bulletproof (immunity to shots), having Strongman capability (nightkill cannot be blocked or protected against) or having Ninja capability (nightkill cannot be tracked or watched). A Serial Killer whose nightkill can specifically bypass Doctor protection is sometimes called an Arsonist. A Serial Killer who will immediately die if they ever do not perform a nightkill is sometimes called a Psycopath, though it varies whether this variant must simply attempt a nightkill every night or successfully perform a nightkill every night. In larger games, the typical Serial Killer win condition might be amended. Possible win condition variants include having to live until a certain day, having to live until X amount of players are left in the game, having to have fired X number of successful shots or having to have killed an X number of townies/mafia/power roles. Some hosts have also been known to include two Serial Killers, whose goal is to outlast the other.

Role Type:
Killing

Role Frequency:
Common

Ok, just found this interesting, thought others may be interested also. Makes you wonder who STL tried to kill N1, doesn't it? Or did he just forgo his kill that night? I doubt it.

 

[WildZoo]

Ok, just found this interesting, thought others may be interested also. Makes you wonder who STL tried to kill N1, doesn't it? Or did he just forgo his kill that night? I doubt it.

We talked about the possibility of him being blocked that night

It was stated that he was neutral so Functionally I guess he was a lone wolf