Back to basics WW again

[SummerTheLynx]

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That's typical jilary posting when compared to other games I've played with her.

I am going to strongly disagree with you, but we will see how she turns.

 

[DVMDream]

I am going to strongly disagree with you, but we will see how she turns.

Just reread some of her posts in the last basics game... obviously nothing verbatim but some very similar postings there. So care to explain your thought process better?

 

[DVMDream]

I guess for those who have wolved with me before, what's your logic that I would bring all this attention to me at the beginning, with no votes on me day 1. i am specifically one that has yelled at fellow wolf noobs that posted too early in lynch cycles, that has pretty much scolded them to just stop talking and go into the background.

What does the thing about telling noob wolves to stop talking have anything to do with you being or not being a wolf.

Also, pattern I've noticed from you recently. You've been much more vocal/aggresive early on as a wolf lately. And you've been very quiet as a villager lately...perhaps out of boredom? I don't know. Just a pattern I've picked up on.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Also, call me n00b or biased, but STL's helped me with his savantness through a couple different games.

Lynch Jil

You have too much faith in STL (no disrespect, STL). I realize he has played a lot and especially being in bioinformatics I'm sure he is good at post analysis and stuff, but someday he is going to be a wolf and just following whatever he is doing will screw you over. Was there something else about Jil that seemed sketchy? I don't see anything that sticks out to me but would be interested if you do.

Also, I know she said she wouldn't be around until lynch is over probably, but if she gets back before I would like to know why @allyphoe has AM in her village category. Maybe I'm missing something. For right now.

Lynch AM

 

[Abnerrs]

I am sure most of my responses will be terribly out of date, but going down the list now to catch up.


I would gladly tell someone in pm that I can trust wouldn't let get back to Jilary. Pming is not an option this game unless someone has a role for it. If someone has a night communication ability today, and you are a person I trust not to blab back to Jilary a flaw in her play, please choose me to pm with tonight. I would rather keep a known player flaw close to home then let them fix it. If that comes at the cost of a few more people being suspicious of me, I am fine with that.

FWIW, I was saying for people to switch off and let Jilary defend today (which up until the point I am read now, she really hasn't). I wouldn't put too much into coopah, but that's just me.

*sigh* it's posts like this, when I see them frequently, that makes me more and more want to put you in wolf territory. I feel like I see you posting everywhere, and adding minimal to discussion.


You shouldn't be convinced that anyone is a wolf at this point. But you should throw together information that you do have, interrogate, put pressure, throw accusations, and see how people react. We can all just sit here and say "Meh, I don't know that anyone is a wolf, let me just wait on a seer." But two issues with that. One, we might as well be playing "how well can the seer guess who wolves are?" instead of WW. Two, in a basics game, with a protector dead, the seer gets to name one wolf. That's it. They can risk holding wolves names close to home, and hope they can release more than one, but they may die with that info doing that. And the "I am not good at this" is not an excuse. Guess how you are going to get better? by trying over and over again until you actually figure out wolves. I used to be abysmal at finding wolves. Now I am okay to decent at it. It's not something that you naturally have.

I swear we've played together before? Anyway it doesn't matter. I joke. All the time. In real life and here. I'm not going to stop just because you think someone should play one way or the other. Your insane scrutinizing would seriously make me think someone was a wolf. But you're just like that. And I'm like me. Get it?

 

[Trilt]

What does the thing about telling noob wolves to stop talking have anything to do with you being or not being a wolf.

Also, pattern I've noticed from you recently. You've been much more vocal/aggresive early on as a wolf lately. And you've been very quiet as a villager lately...perhaps out of boredom? I don't know. Just a pattern I've picked up on.

This is not necessarily true for STL imo. My impression from mostly mod side is that he's just very variable depending on irl. I can think of him being a fairly exuberant villager and pretty quiet wolf since I started playing.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

@mmmdreamerz, don't have enough input from you. However, it seems as if you were feeling "feels" about raf.

@SnowshoeDog143, don't have enough input from you either although I recall you voted to lynch Confusing, followed by SkiOtter on D1. Today, you have voted to lynch and then unlynch WZ.

I posted my suspicions yesterday, I don't think too much has changed since then. I rng voted for confusing, then I voted for Ski because she was pushing the cdo lynch based on knowing cdo was in lab which I thought was harsh, though now I agree unless she is quite an aggressive wolf she wouldn't have done that as a wolf. The quick lynch/unlynch WZ was based on my missing the role list from the last basics game and I explained it in my yesterday's posts.

 

[Abnerrs]

What does the thing about telling noob wolves to stop talking have anything to do with you being or not being a wolf.

Also, pattern I've noticed from you recently. You've been much more vocal/aggresive early on as a wolf lately. And you've been very quiet as a villager lately...perhaps out of boredom? I don't know. Just a pattern I've picked up on.

I'm also wondering, if that is what he has told people to do, then why wold he do that himself? If there are things people know I recommend when I'm a wolf, I'm going to try to do the opposite.

 

[DVMDream]

This is not necessarily true for STL imo. My impression from mostly mod side is that he's just very variable depending on irl. I can think of him being a fairly exuberant villager and pretty quiet wolf since I started playing.

That's good for you and he has been as you described above. But that's not true as of lately. As of late, I've very much noticed him being more aggressive as a wolf than as a villager.

 

[DVMDream]

And the withholding of his thoughts is very much more wolfy. As a villager, he'd have no problem explaining exactly what he was thinking and why....especially if he thought it'd end in lynching a wolf. So thinks just aren't adding up in the way STL is acting currently.

 

[DVMDream]

*things, not thinks

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

eh I'm just saying that I haven't had a good game so far, and it's obviously giving people suspicions. When I post my feels, it's making people more suspicious. People are also suspicious of some quiet people. All I could do was post what I was thinking. Maybe I can be most helpful to the village if I'm lynched.
For what it's worth, I still want to hear more from cyndia today and I think what finn posted about ally was really interesting and a good observation. I'm interested in hearing what she has to say about that. I'm also intrigued by the Jil lynch, but not because of feels for Jil, just pure curiosity of if STL is right again.

Look you can analyze. And if you read why everyone is suspicious, its because even if you have never caught a wolf you are good at analysis. So if you are village stop woe is mee-ing and help us catch a wolf instead of just giving up!

These are my quotes from where I expressed some concern for snowy. I also think it's interesting that we haven't heard anything at all from her since yesterday. I'm wondering if she got in her required post count yesterday and then just hasn't checked in today to stay in the background.

haha I'm here. Just was at school all morning and didn't have time between classes to comment 😛

 

[SummerTheLynx]

What does the thing about telling noob wolves to stop talking have anything to do with you being or not being a wolf.

Also, pattern I've noticed from you recently. You've been much more vocal/aggresive early on as a wolf lately. And you've been very quiet as a villager lately...perhaps out of boredom? I don't know. Just a pattern I've picked up on.

Did you play the mermaid/siren game (was that even recent? my life is a blur right now lol)? In any event, I am not sure what constitutes as late, as I have had to skip a few games lately, modded a game, and you haven't played in a couple recently (or at least I remember that coming up in sign ups). Could you use examples? I also play differently in basics games, because they are my bread and butter. It's the game I take the most seriously out of the bunch, as I have the most experience in them relative to probably anyone else in here (having played probably tens of thousands of them through mafbot when I was back in middle school and high school).

The advice thing is a thing about taking my own advice type of thing, not being a hypocrite, all that fun stuff.

In any event, I was compiling Jilary posts. She does this fake emotions, fake happy BS when she is a wolf. And alludes to other games to seem helpful. I don't have time to keep my tell close to home because I have two tests tomorrow, so feel free to look back to verify.

I am quiet in games as a villager because I don't really have time to be doing WW, but I make it happen anyway. I value these games higher than all others (including ones that I mod), and get more invested in them then I probably should. But fine, point taken, I will back off and keep to posting less.

You guys killed charmander?! He was always my favorite starting Pokemon.

Poor pika pika 😢. Trilt, I have no idea how you wrote, or came up with that! That's just sick.

cribbage is lots of fun, it's not just for old people!

If you don't have the wolves night actions, it's ok to close night without them, they won't mind!

I bought my first Gameboy 19 years ago while pregnant with my son. I got it for the sole purpose of playing pokemon. In fact, that is the only game I owned!

May I have mine with hollandaise sauce?

I've never had eggs Benedict made by anyone but my dad. He even buys me fake Canadian bacon to put on it. I don't like runny yolks though so next time I was promised poached eggs with cooked solid yolks

I don't like chains in general. The food is mediocre at best. My family cooks really well, so I prefer home cooked to going out most times. There are some small local places that I like, and one makes some banging mac & cheese that I think even MJ would like.

Bring me some! That is the one thing my family can't seem to get right. I need polish MIL I think.

 

[Trilt]

That's good for you and he has been as you described above. But that's not true as of lately. As of late, I've very much noticed him being more aggressive as a wolf than as a villager.

My point was just that I've only been playing for a year and a halfish and have seen him do all of the above. That's "recent" I thought, but you mean even more recently apparently. 🙂

 

[Skimble]

I am sure most of my responses will be terribly out of date, but going down the list now to catch up.


I would gladly tell someone in pm that I can trust wouldn't let get back to Jilary. Pming is not an option this game unless someone has a role for it. If someone has a night communication ability today, and you are a person I trust not to blab back to Jilary a flaw in her play, please choose me to pm with tonight. I would rather keep a known player flaw close to home then let them fix it. If that comes at the cost of a few more people being suspicious of me, I am fine with that.

FWIW, I was saying for people to switch off and let Jilary defend today (which up until the point I am read now, she really hasn't). I wouldn't put too much into coopah, but that's just me.

*sigh* it's posts like this, when I see them frequently, that makes me more and more want to put you in wolf territory. I feel like I see you posting everywhere, and adding minimal to discussion.


You shouldn't be convinced that anyone is a wolf at this point. But you should throw together information that you do have, interrogate, put pressure, throw accusations, and see how people react. We can all just sit here and say "Meh, I don't know that anyone is a wolf, let me just wait on a seer." But two issues with that. One, we might as well be playing "how well can the seer guess who wolves are?" instead of WW. Two, in a basics game, with a protector dead, the seer gets to name one wolf. That's it. They can risk holding wolves names close to home, and hope they can release more than one, but they may die with that info doing that. And the "I am not good at this" is not an excuse. Guess how you are going to get better? by trying over and over again until you actually figure out wolves. I used to be abysmal at finding wolves. Now I am okay to decent at it. It's not something that you naturally have.

So if I'm a villager (which I am) then will you explain this supposed "tell"? I honestly think you have me confused with someone else or you are being a crazy bold wolf, which I don't put past you at all. I think explaining it will do 2 things, 1) let me know something I do makes you think I'm sketchy, 2) will let you know that thing isn't nearly as telling or sketchy as you think. And I asked this yesterday and you still haven't responded, how am I supposed to defend myself when I don't even know what I'm defending against? Yeah sure I can defend my play and votes, but we are only on day 2 and I explained my d1 vote. Could I see a noob wolf trying to throw a friend under the bus because they have a relationship outside of SDN? Yes, yes I do. People have said things like "LIS would never kill dy early" or "WZ would never kill MJ early" or you would never kill BI early, but you are also more experienced wolves, and I think sometimes just because people think those things, they are exactly the things you should do as a wolf. But I guess that is a different topic all together.

That's typical jilary posting when compared to other games I've played with her.

I agree. Thank you.

Just reread some of her posts in the last basics game... obviously nothing verbatim but some very similar postings there. So care to explain your thought process better?

And, yes! Thank you! I know I said some of the same things in the last basics game and other games too. The 2nd quote was just Me commenting on something WZ brought up about a past game that I thought was funny. How is that telling of anything? I don't even remember what game it was.

I am very irritated that so many people are jumping on this bandwagon started by STL, especially when he's not even willing to give any information in return. When I flip village, definitely look at those people jumping on an easy lynch and not thinking on their own and coming up with their own conclusions. This is why DrS, DVMD and LIS are reading village to me because they are thinking on their own and not just blindly following STL.

 

[DVMDream]

Did you play the mermaid/siren game (was that even recent? my life is a blur right now lol)? In any event, I am not sure what constitutes as late, as I have had to skip a few games lately, modded a game, and you haven't played in a couple recently (or at least I remember that coming up in sign ups). Could you use examples? I also play differently in basics games, because they are my bread and butter. It's the game I take the most seriously out of the bunch, as I have the most experience in them relative to probably anyone else in here (having played probably tens of thousands of them through mafbot when I was back in middle school and high school).

The advice thing is a thing about taking my own advice type of thing, not being a hypocrite, all that fun stuff.

In any event, I was compiling Jilary posts. She does this fake emotions, fake happy BS when she is a wolf. And alludes to other games to seem helpful. I don't have time to keep my tell close to home because I have two tests tomorrow, so feel free to look back to verify.

I am quiet in games as a villager because I don't really have time to be doing WW, but I make it happen anyway. I value these games higher than all others (including ones that I mod), and get more invested in them then I probably should. But fine, point taken, I will back off and keep to posting less.

That's better. I see what you are saying now in jilary's first post...with the, "I hope noobs learn a lot" That I can agree did some more unlike normal jilary. The talking about other games... we all do that at some point or another as both wolves or villagers. So I'm not sure I agree on that front. But I do see your other point. Thanks. That's what I needed to be less suspicious of you.

And I'm not asking you to post less, just to explain yourself. It doesn't do anyone any good to not expand on your thought processes.

 

[DVMDream]

My point was just that I've only been playing for a year and a halfish and have seen him do all of the above. That's "recent" I thought, but you mean even more recently apparently. 🙂

I may also be blinded by the last game we were wolves together in which he wouldn't shut his damn mouth and I wanted to shank him. 😉

 

[Abnerrs]

I may also be blinded by the last game we were wolves together in which he wouldn't shut his damn mouth and I wanted to shank him. 😉

You? No! You're so patient with that kind of stuff.

 

[DVMDream]

You? No! You're so patient with that kind of stuff.

So very patient. Like a person in meditation. Doesn't phase me at all....

 

[Skimble]

Did you play the mermaid/siren game (was that even recent? my life is a blur right now lol)? In any event, I am not sure what constitutes as late, as I have had to skip a few games lately, modded a game, and you haven't played in a couple recently (or at least I remember that coming up in sign ups). Could you use examples? I also play differently in basics games, because they are my bread and butter. It's the game I take the most seriously out of the bunch, as I have the most experience in them relative to probably anyone else in here (having played probably tens of thousands of them through mafbot when I was back in middle school and high school).

The advice thing is a thing about taking my own advice type of thing, not being a hypocrite, all that fun stuff.

In any event, I was compiling Jilary posts. She does this fake emotions, fake happy BS when she is a wolf. And alludes to other games to seem helpful. I don't have time to keep my tell close to home because I have two tests tomorrow, so feel free to look back to verify.

I am quiet in games as a villager because I don't really have time to be doing WW, but I make it happen anyway. I value these games higher than all others (including ones that I mod), and get more invested in them then I probably should. But fine, point taken, I will back off and keep to posting less.

Seriously? Everything you just posted is me in literally EVERY game! Please go back and look, especially in lounge games. I make jokes when jokes are appropriate in every single game. I'm a sarcastic joker irl too. People have off topic discussions and OMG sometimes I chime in too. SHOCKING!!!! I'm actually laughing right now that you think those comments mean anything. I'm on my phone and in my car (parked, about to head home, not driving) but I will be happy to find almost identical posts in multiple more recent games I've played. I was planning on giving you guys my reads on everyone as of right now, which I think will take priority as it's actually useful, but if anyone needs proof that STL is wrong, I'm happy to provide that info too.

 

[Skimble]

That's better. I see what you are saying now in jilary's first post...with the, "I hope noobs learn a lot" That I can agree did some more unlike normal jilary. The talking about other games... we all do that at some point or another as both wolves or villagers. So I'm not sure I agree on that front. But I do see your other point. Thanks. That's what I needed to be less suspicious of you.

And I'm not asking you to post less, just to explain yourself. It doesn't do anyone any good to not expand on your thought processes.

Have you seen my posts in other threads about how much I like basic games? I really do love them and I think you can learn a lot about post analysis by playing them instead of relying on seers and trackers. I know LIS and I have similar feelings, and since we have a fair amount of new players, I honestly do hope they learn a lot about analyzing posts and votes patterns. It's a lot of fun, and I was excited for this game because of that.

 

[Trilt]

Jil has been fairly enthusiastic about this basics game... has brought it up several times around the forum since the first. Her first post actually also made me eyebrow a little but I down graded it with that knowledge.

 

[Coopah]

What an about face, Jilary acting happy means she's a wolf? That's weird, I'm not sure if it's much of a tell. Probably just feels like STL said, except he called it a tell. I don't really feel the Jilary lynch. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't really see it. I'm going to have to

Lynch Ally

Again for the RNG bandwagon on me, and because she just brushed it off when I gave her the squinty eyes. Nothing concrete, but I suspect if we did have anything concrete it would be more plurality rules. I know she can be a VERY crafty wolf e.g. last game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

You have too much faith in STL (no disrespect, STL). I realize he has played a lot and especially being in bioinformatics I'm sure he is good at post analysis and stuff, but someday he is going to be a wolf and just following whatever he is doing will screw you over. Was there something else about Jil that seemed sketchy? I don't see anything that sticks out to me but would be interested if you do.

Also, I know she said she wouldn't be around until lynch is over probably, but if she gets back before I would like to know why @allyphoe has AM in her village category. Maybe I'm missing something. For right now.

Lynch AM

Yeah, someday. Do you have reason to this is that someday and STL is leading me on now?

Jil defense has just been her saying she's busy. She also mentioned thinking STL leans wolf but hasn't put a vote in that direction.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Yeah, someday. Do you have reason to this is that someday and STL is leading me on now?

Jil defense has just been her saying she's busy. She also mentioned thinking STL leans wolf but hasn't put a vote in that direction.

I've never played with STL so I'm not sure quite what I should read him as. And the people who have played with him also seem conflicted. More as just a warning for the future. I'm sorry if you're village, but I'm going to leave my vote for now. Jil said she was going to post some of her reads, so I'll wait to decide about her until then. So far, she seems to be playing like she played last game, but I don't know if she's posted any of her suspicions so I could still move to her.

 

[raf2769]

Look you can analyze. And if you read why everyone is suspicious, its because even if you have never caught a wolf you are good at analysis. So if you are village stop woe is mee-ing and help us catch a wolf instead of just giving up!

If I were giving up I wouldn't have been here all day trying to defend myself. Admittedly, I was not able to keep up as much as I wanted to this weekend, and that caused me to make some fast and not great judgements, judgements that I wouldn't have made if I had had the time to go through the thread more carefully. I haven't used not being around as an excuse because I know it doesn't matter in WW, instead I've been on here all day defending myself to the best of my ability because that's what's best for village numbers. If I can't convince people that I'm not a good lynch despite my best efforts, then the most useful way I can help the villagers is that if/when lynched, everyone is able to look at who was pushing to lynch me. I'm assuming there are wolves pushing for me because I'm an easy target right now. That's not giving up.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Jil (5)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally
STL (3)- Nyan, LIS, KC,
WZ ()-
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (2)- Trilt, DVMD
Cyndia (1) - Ski
Ally - (2) finn, Coopah


17/25

 

[WildZoo]

"LIS would never kill dy early" or "WZ would never kill MJ early" or you would never kill BI early,

I think we all know which of these is actually true every time

 

[KCgophervet]

When veterans say this, it always makes me side eye. It seems like you are giving an excuse for only being on for a short period of time, and then leaving. I have done this as a wolf many times in post requirement games. Only posted during a short period of the time of the day, this way I am forgettable. People have moved on past me. I had you in safe villager category before this, now I am giving hard side eye.

😵
Pretty sure you're my FB friend and would have been able to see via my post there yesterday that I was dealing with something just a titch more important than WW at the time. I also didn't know if the day was ending yesterday or today (which I straight up said in the previous post) so when I remembered there was a post requirement (seconds after hitting enter) I commented that I probably wouldn't hit it (assuming that the day was ending yesterday). This is me being grumpy for being side-eyed for warning people I will be less active for one stinking day.

So STL doesn't want to give away someone else's tell but is claiming a tell himself (what he's accusing kcough of)? ooookay

See above.

 

[LetItSnow]

When is lynch close? I have a bunch of comments to make, but am unsure of time.

 

[LetItSnow]

But I'll skip to the chase and follow-up with the reason in a minute:

unlynch stl (though I might come back to him tomorrow), and

lynch Jilary (not because of STL's reasoning alone)

 

[WildZoo]

And the people who have played with him also seem conflicted.

If there is someone out there who is consistently good at reading STL, I have yet to meet them. His play tends to be too variable to establish a good meta.

 

[LetItSnow]

I want to hear more from @kcoughli.

Could be wrong, but I really think kcoughli is village. I've got her down as one of the most-village tallied players right now.

Sure, she could be totally foofing me, but .... she's not remotely on my radar right now until/if we start having the "yay, who has been converted" portion of the game.

 

[WildZoo]

When is lynch close? I have a bunch of comments to make, but am unsure of time.

Should be 9pm EST. No one said I was wrong before so assuming that's right.

 

[LetItSnow]

Did you play the last basics game? STL claimed he was the seer D1 to get out of a lynch that he really should have been able to talk himself out of. The reason he claimed seer? To out the actual seer so the wolves could kill her.

I can't remember if I did or didn't, but .... either way, I still think it's not out of the realm of reason that he would have gone for cdo like that as a wolf.

 

[LetItSnow]

"I want to get better, my posts are all useless/fluff!"

...then just throws a vote at someone because STL did.

👍

That was sketchy, I agree.

Or, like STL and I briefly discussed, it was n00bie. I'm not sure which. I think I've decided to just ... play as I play and not account for n00bness. If that means I lynch a n00b because they're acting n00b and it only looks sketch ... oh well.

 

[LetItSnow]

Voting patterns are useful, but with a sample size of one lynch that we know the results for so far I'm hesitant to say much about them. And I say that as a villager in the immuno game who was wrong on every single wolf until LIS.

You would have been wrong about me in that game, too, since I didn't play it. 😉

 

[KCgophervet]

If I were giving up I wouldn't have been here all day trying to defend myself. Admittedly, I was not able to keep up as much as I wanted to this weekend, and that caused me to make some fast and not great judgements, judgements that I wouldn't have made if I had had the time to go through the thread more carefully. I haven't used not being around as an excuse because I know it doesn't matter in WW, instead I've been on here all day defending myself to the best of my ability because that's what's best for village numbers. If I can't convince people that I'm not a good lynch despite my best efforts, then the most useful way I can help the villagers is that if/when lynched, everyone is able to look at who was pushing to lynch me. I'm assuming there are wolves pushing for me because I'm an easy target right now. That's not giving up.

I know it's technically a correct spelling, but spelling judgment with an extra "e" always bugs me for some reason. (just looked it up, apparently it's more commonly spelled that way - with extra "e" - in British English).

I see you trying to defend, and honestly don't have much more than a neutral read on you, but I would say you defend hastily and almost desperately. Which can be interpreted as wolfy, or nooby, or just rash. Almost like you're trying too hard. Honestly, it's really hard to defend when you can't pin down what people are on you about (see me in the last game). If you're village, do what you can to allay people's fears and then try to let your game analysis speak to your villageriness. Or at least your thought processes behind your analyses. If you're wolf, bus all the other wolves for no apparent reason. That'll definitely 100% work.

 

[DVMDream]

😵
Pretty sure you're my FB friend and would have been able to see via my post there yesterday that I was dealing with something just a titch more important than WW at the time. I also didn't know if the day was ending yesterday or today (which I straight up said in the previous post) so when I remembered there was a post requirement (seconds after hitting enter) I commented that I probably wouldn't hit it (assuming that the day was ending yesterday). This is me being grumpy for being side-eyed for warning people I will be less active for one stinking day.

I'm also your FB friend and would have to go look to see what you are talking about. I really don't keep tabs on what people are doing through there.

Having said that, I agree with your grumpiness about people side eyeing you for one day of quietness.

 

[LetItSnow]

For anyone interested in meta-play as a defense, in StarWWars III, I refused to get on LIS's egg-breaking Jabba-fueled bandwagon, because I wanted to set precedent for not getting on any Jabba-wolf-wagons. Villagers don't need to set precedent.

Can you explain what you meant here, especially with "Villagers don't need to set precedent"? I'm .... confuzzled by it.

By precedent, do you mean meta-game? I don't get what you're saying.

 

[LetItSnow]

I would gladly tell someone in pm that I can trust wouldn't let get back to Jilary. Pming is not an option this game unless someone has a role for it. If someone has a night communication ability today, and you are a person I trust not to blab back to Jilary a flaw in her play, please choose me to pm with tonight. I would rather keep a known player flaw close to home then let them fix it. If that comes at the cost of a few more people being suspicious of me, I am fine with that.

Super sketchy. For reasons I'll get to in another post or three, I am on board lynching Jilary. But the whole "I see a flaw, but I'm not going to share!" thing is just off the charts sketchy. I see that you and DVMD and whoever already hashed out the argument about you posting it or not, but it doesn't change that this was a sketchy way to approach it.

You shouldn't be convinced that anyone is a wolf at this point. But you should throw together information that you do have, interrogate, put pressure, throw accusations, and see how people react. We can all just sit here and say "Meh, I don't know that anyone is a wolf, let me just wait on a seer." But two issues with that. One, we might as well be playing "how well can the seer guess who wolves are?" instead of WW. Two, in a basics game, with a protector dead, the seer gets to name one wolf. That's it. They can risk holding wolves names close to home, and hope they can release more than one, but they may die with that info doing that. And the "I am not good at this" is not an excuse. Guess how you are going to get better? by trying over and over again until you actually figure out wolves. I used to be abysmal at finding wolves. Now I am okay to decent at it. It's not something that you naturally have.

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You find things out by testing. You test things in WW by lynching. If you are a player who doesn't want to lynch someone until you are "confident" or "certain" of their wolfiness, you need to move past that, or not play.

 

[LetItSnow]

So STL doesn't want to give away someone else's tell but is claiming a tell himself (what he's accusing kcough of)? ooookay

Crap. I missed this post. I looked back, and I'm still missing it. Can you point it out?

 

[LetItSnow]

Oh give me a break, you are complaining at my wording of it. If I had said "strong feels" or "very strong feels" it's the same thing that other veterans do. You are getting upset that I called it a tell.

I don't think that's fair. A tell is a little more of a 'real' thing than just 'man, the way that person is posting is weird.'

 

[LetItSnow]

This is not necessarily true for STL imo. My impression from mostly mod side is that he's just very variable depending on irl. I can think of him being a fairly exuberant villager and pretty quiet wolf since I started playing.

Agreed. STL plays aggressive early as a villager OR wolf. And he plays quiet early as a villager OR wolf - as best I can tell, it depends on his irl status. Same as me - my play is all over the map, usually associated with my work cycle. My metagame is chaotic, which doesn't work in my favor.

 

[KCgophervet]

Reads on people up for lynch:

Jil (5)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally : This lynch is based off Jil using emoticons? And people using her to test STL? I don't know that I buy any of the logic. If we want to test STL... we should TEST STL. But maybe that's just me. I'll admit I happily voted for her D1 to spare the outed power role but I don't feel the need to blindly follow STL based on an emoticon hunch. Neutral on Jil.

STL (3)- Nyan, LIS, KC, : Obviously I feel the most sketched out by STL. I don't necessarily think his playstyle is off, but the weird accusations he's floating around, the tenuous logic on some of his "targets", the leading a lynch on an outed power role yesterday when he admitted he thought Jil was more sketchy, none of it is adding up. Wolf lean on STL.

WZ ()- : Don't remember what the logic was for this vote. Hard to read WZ, seems a bit absent but maybe it's just because others are currently being much more vocal. Neutral on WZ.

AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy : AM is always really difficult to read for me. Since her first game or two she's become a much quieter player, very helpful in making the tallies, and posting small bits of one liners (sometimes insightful, oftentimes otherwise). Neutral to village/noob lean.

Abs (1)- DocS : Feel like I haven't played with her. Sounds like this is her style but hasn't seemed particularly helpful in any posts. Neutral to wolf-lean.

Raf (2)- Trilt, DVMD : Very defensive, almost over defensive. Her posts honestly remind me of how I was thinking in the last game when people were calling me sketchy and I couldn't for the life of me figure out why. (I later realized BBC and ally were the ones who started that, and they were both wolves go figure). Maybe that is coloring my perspective but I think I say neutral with village/noob lean on raf.

Cyndia (1) - Ski : Isn't Cyndia like aloha? As in, always a wolf? Not really posting enough to give me much in the feels dept. Neutral to wolf-lean.

Ally - (2) finn, Coopah : I go back and forth here. I called ally as a wolf last game but that was mostly because she started throwing shade my way (so retalitory feels? is that a thing?) but ended up being right. This time feels less visceral, so I have to say neutral to village leaning.

 

[PippyPony]

I know it's technically a correct spelling, but spelling judgment with an extra "e" always bugs me for some reason. (just looked it up, apparently it's more commonly spelled that way - with extra "e" - in British English).

Ohhh kcough, I wasn't going to bring this up, but since you opened the grammar/spelling pandora's box, I just can't resist...in one of your earlier posts, you used a phrase that's one of my big pet peeves: you wrote the term "free reign", when it's actually "free rein". Comes from horseback riding, means to give freedom to maneuver.

(Ok, I'm done being obnoxious).

 

[LetItSnow]

So if I'm a villager (which I am)

I really don't like this wording. People who are wolfing and have a really solid internal morality against lying have a lot of trouble flat-out lying in WW, and they say things like "So if I'm a villager".....

Bugged me a lot. I had Jilary neutral (marks both columns), but if STL really feels there is a tell there, and with the above language, I'm ok voting to lynch her today to see where it goes. If she flips village, I'm not moving off my STL lynch again, though. He's an egg that needs to be broken at that point.

 

[KCgophervet]

I'm also your FB friend and would have to go look to see what you are talking about. I really don't keep tabs on what people are doing through there.

Having said that, I agree with your grumpiness about people side eyeing you for one day of quietness.

Yeah I guess I just meant that if he was doubting my crappy day post, he could have easily seen what it was about.

 

[LetItSnow]

If I were giving up I wouldn't have been here all day trying to defend myself. Admittedly, I was not able to keep up as much as I wanted to this weekend, and that caused me to make some fast and not great judgements, judgements that I wouldn't have made if I had had the time to go through the thread more carefully. I haven't used not being around as an excuse because I know it doesn't matter in WW, instead I've been on here all day defending myself to the best of my ability because that's what's best for village numbers. If I can't convince people that I'm not a good lynch despite my best efforts, then the most useful way I can help the villagers is that if/when lynched, everyone is able to look at who was pushing to lynch me. I'm assuming there are wolves pushing for me because I'm an easy target right now. That's not giving up.

Wait. You were defending today? Where? I didn't see any substantive defense posts.

 

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Day 2 Unofficial Lynch Tally:

Jil (5)- STL, WZ, AM, Zen, ally
STL (3)- Nyan, LIS, KC,
WZ ()-
AM (3)- SAR, nessy, Snowy
Abs (1)- DocS
Raf (2)- Trilt, DVMD
Cyndia (1) - Ski
Ally - (2) finn, Coopah


17/25

I voted for raf 2nd.