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Have you guys taken a look at this YouTube video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1QvMHJ-KbY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1QvMHJ-KbY
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*Bad* vets.... *terrible* vets...
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Some good points, others...
"bad vets close their clinics at night"
Oh, the humanity!
"bad vets close their clinics at night"
Oh, the humanity!
This is ridiculous. First of all...vets are "bad" for closing their clinics at night and on the weekends? What does she expect of them?
If all of her recommendations were followed, I can't even imagine how much the cost of keeping a pet healthy would skyrocket. And then think of how many more animals wouldn't get treatment.
Though I have to admit that I am predisposed to not taking someone seriously when they present "Scared Poopless" as a book title that they wrote. And then in their comments they ask critical people to bring research out for their rebuttals, while presenting no research in her own video.
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That video was really down right offensive.
Bad vets push for vaccine instead of titers. Nothing to do with titers being more expensive(also having a higher profit margin), or a lack of established efficacy for a given titer?
Oh well, I never really trusted anyone with such contrasting hair anyways.
Bad vets push for vaccine instead of titers. Nothing to do with titers being more expensive(also having a higher profit margin), or a lack of established efficacy for a given titer?
Oh well, I never really trusted anyone with such contrasting hair anyways.
This one's kind of irritating, too. She nags on multiple vaccinations at once, something that's pretty widely accepted in human health for children.
However, I must add... did anyone else read the title of this board in a "bad dog..." tone? It almost made me laugh.
However, I must add... did anyone else read the title of this board in a "bad dog..." tone? It almost made me laugh.
I don't trust anyone who throws out buzzwords like "natural" or "holisitc" without qualifying them. It must be remembered that supposedly "natural" supplements are almost completely unregulated. Also, the "natural" thing for my current dog would have been to succumb to heartworm disease years ago - thanks, but I'll take the awful, poisonous heartworm prevention over that...🙄
Oh, also, only tangentially related, but have you guys seen this?
http://vetpath.co.uk/voodoo/
http://vetpath.co.uk/voodoo/
Cancer and Diabetes are increasing
yeah, so of COURSE its because for medicine! Lets stop diagnosing Cancer and Diabetes, they wait 5 years and say we cured it. Look, no new cases in 5 years!
Bad vets use real medicine instead of holistic roots herbal extracts made from the tears of blind-virgin Nepalese monks.
WTF, you just got done saying that Vets a driven by profit and ulterior motives (BTW, ulterior that was a BITCH to spell couldnt even get close enough for MS-Word to correct me), now you want all of us to be laser eye surgeons so we can deworm your annoying little shiatsu. Good luck checking my credentials and if I am up to date on the latest procedures (MOST LIKELY DEVELOPED FROM THE PEOPLE YOU JUST GOT DONE BASHING)
Pet Food = Fast Food really?! Come on
Bad vets dont offer 24/7 hospitalization for your dog You want 24 hour hospitalization, go to a 24 hour vet hospital Or do the procedure at your house with your vet med handbook - simple solution.
Next video = Bad hair stylists Look, they made me look like a friggin peacock with a silver mane
Bad vets use real medicine instead of holistic roots herbal extracts made from the tears of blind-virgin Nepalese monks.
WTF, you just got done saying that Vets a driven by profit and ulterior motives (BTW, ulterior that was a BITCH to spell couldnt even get close enough for MS-Word to correct me), now you want all of us to be laser eye surgeons so we can deworm your annoying little shiatsu. Good luck checking my credentials and if I am up to date on the latest procedures (MOST LIKELY DEVELOPED FROM THE PEOPLE YOU JUST GOT DONE BASHING)
Pet Food = Fast Food really?! Come on
Bad vets dont offer 24/7 hospitalization for your dog You want 24 hour hospitalization, go to a 24 hour vet hospital Or do the procedure at your house with your vet med handbook - simple solution.
Next video = Bad hair stylists Look, they made me look like a friggin peacock with a silver mane
Haha I was just about to say that, but you beat me to it! Also take notice the animal prints pillows in the background!
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If you read the comments below, all the people are asking her for recommendations for their pets' healthcare. As James Herriot said, people trust everyone but the vet about their animals.
And apparently pet food = fast food... not sure how she came up with that one.
And apparently pet food = fast food... not sure how she came up with that one.
If I were a cat, I would have an arched back and fluffed tail. Is this really not a joke? If so, I'd better switch vets; my current evil doctor has the nerve to go home on the weekend and refer me to an emergency clinic in the middle of the night 😱. Bad vet!
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I wish I could send a virtual smack 😡
Her ideas of "bad" vets are ridiculous!! God forbid a vet might want to get some sleep or try to have a life outside of the clinic once in a while. 🙄 O guess I never realized that signing up for vet med meant moving into the clinic so I can cater to every single emergency rather than letting an emergency clinic with an emergency medicine doctor do what they do best.
Her ideas of "bad" vets are ridiculous!! God forbid a vet might want to get some sleep or try to have a life outside of the clinic once in a while. 🙄 O guess I never realized that signing up for vet med meant moving into the clinic so I can cater to every single emergency rather than letting an emergency clinic with an emergency medicine doctor do what they do best.
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i was more annoyed at the idea that challenging the titers annually (after the vaccine has "expired") is bad.
What a freak! Talk about client from HELL!!! She is doing us a favor really, getting the crazies out of our hair. I feel sorry for the holistic vet that ends up with her (and her followers.) They must have extreme patience!!
Where does she think the "latest procedures...." come from?? The "bad vets" she claims to hate! WTF??
Where does she think the "latest procedures...." come from?? The "bad vets" she claims to hate! WTF??
I believe some of the things she is saying are true, but the majority are a little off the wall. Maybe the chemicals from the hair dye made her a little loopy . The vet I am shadowing/ volunteering with said she was at her licensing exam and was very rude.
Did anyone else notice the "zebra's ass" pillow behind her? Tail and everything. Between the interior decorating, the dead skunk she glued to her scalp, and the fact that she wasn't too embarrassed to admit to publishing a book called "Scared Poopless", does this woman really expect to have any credibility? Pass the tinfoil hat, please!
Have you seen her website?
"I decided to share my findings in a very different kind of dog care book. I wanted that book to be unbiased, independent of special interests, but also so much fun that people might actually read it. I called it Scared Poopless: The Straight Scoop on Dog Care -- not your average title and not your average dog care book. It's narrated by my little Chiclet, an opinionated four-pound Maltese with a wicked sense of humor and a strong desire to set humans straight."
Unbiased? Really?! And narrated by her dog.. wow.
and apparently her book is "Recommended by the Animal Protection Institute and countless vets."
"I decided to share my findings in a very different kind of dog care book. I wanted that book to be unbiased, independent of special interests, but also so much fun that people might actually read it. I called it Scared Poopless: The Straight Scoop on Dog Care -- not your average title and not your average dog care book. It's narrated by my little Chiclet, an opinionated four-pound Maltese with a wicked sense of humor and a strong desire to set humans straight."
Unbiased? Really?! And narrated by her dog.. wow.
and apparently her book is "Recommended by the Animal Protection Institute and countless vets."
she doesnt realize that the reason that vets do a lot of what she is talking about is because the other option is no veterinary care at all... some people would rather not vaccinate at all if they had to check the titer first. Its hard enough to do a heartworm test every other year with some clients.
Also, I dont want to watch it again, but did Cruella say that checking for parasites was not necessary? That it was a way of making money?.. "Hi, I went to 8 years of college and 3 years of internships and residencies so that I could be considered unqualified and dig through poop as my primary means of profit"
Also, I dont want to watch it again, but did Cruella say that checking for parasites was not necessary? That it was a way of making money?.. "Hi, I went to 8 years of college and 3 years of internships and residencies so that I could be considered unqualified and dig through poop as my primary means of profit"
WOW, it is amazing that people will believe such ignorance! Her "Heartworm Medication Part 1: Truths, Omissions and Profits" just sent me into a frenzy. I made a comment on her article but it says my comment is awaiting moderation...meaning she probably won't allow it to be published.
Where did she get her degree? Oh yea, that's right she doesn't know what she is talking about yet people still take her word for truth. The people posting on her site make veterinarians out to be evil, money-hungry killers. I am simply shocked.
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I doubt my comment will be posted -- "bad owners put scare tactic videos on youtube to dissuade others from seeking proper pet care."
Ugh, it's disgusting. I wish someone would make a reply video, or at least some kind of "why you should take medical advice from your VET, not from crazies on the internet" video. Don't look at me, my computer is too crappy for it, or else I'd give it some serious thought. Anyone else up for it?
Your vet: 8 years of college, heavy in sciences and specific to animal care
Cruella: BS in business
We had one person in the clinic saying a friend told them "just put bacon grease on a hot spot to cure it." Which they tried, and you can imagine how well that worked. People, people, people...will believe everone BUT their vet!
Ugh, it's disgusting. I wish someone would make a reply video, or at least some kind of "why you should take medical advice from your VET, not from crazies on the internet" video. Don't look at me, my computer is too crappy for it, or else I'd give it some serious thought. Anyone else up for it?
Your vet: 8 years of college, heavy in sciences and specific to animal care
Cruella: BS in business
We had one person in the clinic saying a friend told them "just put bacon grease on a hot spot to cure it." Which they tried, and you can imagine how well that worked. People, people, people...will believe everone BUT their vet!
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If I still had my Adobe Premier skills (or the time to relearn), i would dub over the animated Cruella Devil cartoon in a reply comment showing how foolish she was...
Maybe its time to brush off the old reg key and reinstall premier... hmmm
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"50% of Veterinarians graduate at the bottom 1/2 of their graduating class." WOW, nice one there. Took a lot to put that one together.
I swear, that woman needs some kind of reality smack down. It's especially funny how she's offended that they spend as much time teaching us about large animals as they do small animals. Because small animals are the only ones that count, right? 🙄
Edit: ugh, just got to the part where she insists you call your vet by just their first name - not doctor. After 8 years of school and 120k in debt, I'm going to be called doctor. It's respect, not hierarchy. I don't mind Dr. First Name, but just the first name would personally annoy me.
I swear, that woman needs some kind of reality smack down. It's especially funny how she's offended that they spend as much time teaching us about large animals as they do small animals. Because small animals are the only ones that count, right? 🙄
Edit: ugh, just got to the part where she insists you call your vet by just their first name - not doctor. After 8 years of school and 120k in debt, I'm going to be called doctor. It's respect, not hierarchy. I don't mind Dr. First Name, but just the first name would personally annoy me.
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I know I am preaching to the converted here, but does this ***** realize that the reason we don't see so many of the disease we vaccinate for... is because we VACCINATE for them, and therefore there are less pets/animals to serve as vectors?
There is no magical reason why lepto and parvo are more prevalent in areas with insufficient veterinary care/public awareness.
She also goes around chastising vets who make some $ on selling products while she blatantly endorses her own book about scared puppy fecal matter.
Erghh, that last video really got under my skin... so many flash backs to some of the horrible clients I remember working with. Now I remember why I am so interested in lab animal.
There is no magical reason why lepto and parvo are more prevalent in areas with insufficient veterinary care/public awareness.
She also goes around chastising vets who make some $ on selling products while she blatantly endorses her own book about scared puppy fecal matter.
Erghh, that last video really got under my skin... so many flash backs to some of the horrible clients I remember working with. Now I remember why I am so interested in lab animal.
Surprisingly, she removed my comments from her heartworm blogs
but why??? she's UNBIASED.
🤣 Way to state the obvious! I'm a glass half full kind of person so I'll counter that with 50% of vets graduate at the top 1/2 of their graduating class. Take that Cruella...
Don't forget that one quarter of them graduate at the bottom 25% of their class!
Way to show off 3rd grade math skills.
I think she should take her own quote to heart:
This thread makes me happy to be in vet medicine. It's refreshing to see a group of people substantiating their arguments with research and facts, and being skeptical of others' claims.
These people insisting heartworm prevention is scam are irritating me beyond words. We've got mosquitoes year around, and we've had SO MANY people refuse to protect their dogs, and then 6 months later their dog's heartworm test (if they'll even spring for that one) comes up positive. It's sad that with people like that, they're probably going to have to see their pet die before they get it in their head to use a preventative. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's MUCH more unfair to their pet than the owner having to "waste money" on prevention.
UGH! 😡
On a slightly lighter note, we have a giant, preserved heartworm-infested heart in our waiting room at the clinic I work at. Apparently we've gotten a few complaints about it, but the vets refuse to take it down.
UGH! 😡
On a slightly lighter note, we have a giant, preserved heartworm-infested heart in our waiting room at the clinic I work at. Apparently we've gotten a few complaints about it, but the vets refuse to take it down.
We keep a big one (GRET heart, heavily infested) in a jar and dangle it under the problem client's noses. It works for some of the more squeamish ones! Lol. Really, I just think it helps people visualize just how severe the buggers can get, and they can picture how congestive heart failure could happen... and, well, it's just unpleasant. Obviously!
Much more effective than the dorky posters that merial sends - I'm not really convinced anyone reads any of those things.
ETA: Oh, oh! We also have a bladder stone from a beagle that is the size of the palm of my hand! Like... nearly tennis ball size, but slightly oblong. It's huge! (esp. for a beagle!)
Much more effective than the dorky posters that merial sends - I'm not really convinced anyone reads any of those things.
ETA: Oh, oh! We also have a bladder stone from a beagle that is the size of the palm of my hand! Like... nearly tennis ball size, but slightly oblong. It's huge! (esp. for a beagle!)
I used to run a micro filaria (Sp?) test on every dog we drew blood from (for any reason), didn't use filters, just a spear under a cover slip. I know they are very inaccurate (in terms of not showing early stages IIRC), but I found 5 positives in my 4 years working as a tech (we never charged or told the clients about them (when negative), I did them out of curiosity and I liked using the scope).
I know there are probably some people out there who will argue over the ethics of doing a test without the clients consent (and perhaps they have a point), but please note, I used literally a drop of blood that was taken for blood panels or some other test.
Point being, whenever the clients got the + results, they stopped bitching and paid for an antigen test (and 4 dogs where treated for heart worms).
I have to wonder how many others are out there, serving as a vector/host.
I know there are probably some people out there who will argue over the ethics of doing a test without the clients consent (and perhaps they have a point), but please note, I used literally a drop of blood that was taken for blood panels or some other test.
Point being, whenever the clients got the + results, they stopped bitching and paid for an antigen test (and 4 dogs where treated for heart worms).
I have to wonder how many others are out there, serving as a vector/host.
A spear under a cover slip?? Oh, a SMEAR, lol. 🙄
No imagination, did you do a smear? Or did you simply look at a drop of blood under a cover slip?
I prefer just a straight drop of blood under a cover slip. I feel like its easier to pick out the moving micro filaria.
And regarding heartworm prevention... I cant be the only one who thinks the prices are a bit high. I'm surprised no company has come out with a cheaper alternative.
Yeah, that confused me too - I almost asked why you'd need a coverslip. I'm the queen of smears, that perfect feathered edge halfway up the slide... lol, I should have included THAT in my hobbies.
ETA: Iverhart is like, $26 for 6 months worth (smallest dosage)... That's not too bad, is it? And Heartgard is only $30. That's only $5 a month!
ETA: Iverhart is like, $26 for 6 months worth (smallest dosage)... That's not too bad, is it? And Heartgard is only $30. That's only $5 a month!
Just for fun, and because I obviously have a parasite addiction:
So how do you know that the microfilaria that you are seeing under the scope are Dirofilaria immitis and not another filarial species found in dogs that is completely harmless and does not require expensive, toxic treatment??
Side note: IMO coverslip is more effective
So how do you know that the microfilaria that you are seeing under the scope are Dirofilaria immitis and not another filarial species found in dogs that is completely harmless and does not require expensive, toxic treatment??
Side note: IMO coverslip is more effective
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From my limited knowledge (I havn't read up on it in ages), you really don't know what kinda of microfilaria you are looking at. I am sure there are probably SOME minor morphological differences, but we ALWAYS did an Ag test before any treatments (never based treatment on microfilaria only).
And yes, I meant under a cover slip, I now see the confusion from my terminology "Smear (lol, spear)" - I meant simply a drop of blood under a cover slip, never learned any other technique (except filter, which i hated). I always called that a smear, obviously I should choose my terminology better, I didn't even know there was any other 'smear' technique.
TBH, i've been out of clinical vet work for some time now, I will have a lot of catching up to do when I actually start school... NEXT WEEK! So excited!
I thought that you would all love this comment someone posted on one of Cruella's videos:
"My vet got really mad at me the other day when I called him by his first name and refused to let him treat my dog with drugs for heartworm. My backyard is fenced in and I feed Jorge a raw diet - how is he going to get heartworms?! It's just a scam to get money from me. And then he had the b@lls to try and charge me an exam fee - even though we waited for 10 MINUTES before being called in to our appointment! Just because he went to school for 8 years doesn't make him smarter than me!"
Wow! We all know that mosquitoes are stopped by fences right, and waiting for 10 MINUTES is just outrageous!!
This comment made me want to:
"My vet got really mad at me the other day when I called him by his first name and refused to let him treat my dog with drugs for heartworm. My backyard is fenced in and I feed Jorge a raw diet - how is he going to get heartworms?! It's just a scam to get money from me. And then he had the b@lls to try and charge me an exam fee - even though we waited for 10 MINUTES before being called in to our appointment! Just because he went to school for 8 years doesn't make him smarter than me!"
Wow! We all know that mosquitoes are stopped by fences right, and waiting for 10 MINUTES is just outrageous!!
This comment made me want to:
Blood smear -->
These are stained blood smear slides... made from a lavender top (EDTA) tube. These are used for CBCs (the differential part). Wooh! you make them by putting a drop of blood right at the frosted edge (or thereabouts) and then taking another slide, dragging the edge back into the drop of blood, and then sliding out to make a smear. 🙂
Aidaneviecleo - that's a painful, painful comment to read. Idiots. You have to wonder though - did the vet explain that mosquitoes are the vector? They may have tried, I'm sure, but that's something we always REALLY stress... no amount of fencing or garlic will keep them off your pet, and mosquitoes certainly can get in the house too (even though we assume your dog goes outside to poop, lol).
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So there is this harmless parasite occasionally found in dogs called Acanthocheilonema (Dipetalonema) reconditum and believe it or not a surprising amount of vets mistake it for heartworms. They go through the rigorous HW treatment when a simple ocular micrometer could have saved the owners a lot of time and money, not to mention the stress on the animal.
As for my comment on Cruella's blog. I asked her if she was an entomologist and if she tracked mosquitoes in order to know when it was appropriate to treat her dogs? Surprisingly, she didn't respond 🙂
I also mentioned the additional benefits of monthly HW preventative, you know like eliminating those pesky zoonotic parasites that have the potential to kill people (ie viseral larva migrans) and again no response (actually, she deleted me post). I have a feeling she doesn't like me too much!
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Heartworm is actually a pretty cool parasite. There are some minor morphological differences between Dipetalonema (harmless) and Dirofilaria inmitis (heartworm). It is definitely easy to mistake the two--but Dipetelonema are MUCH smaller. The importance of measuring!
Anyways, you always want to do a filter or Knott's test to look for microfilaria instead of just a drop of blood on the slide from whatever sample you've got in your hand. The filter and Knott's test concentrate the microfilaria in a certain blood sample. Without concentrating the blood, the likelihood that you've got a micofilaria in that single drop you just happen to have on the slide is pretty small...you really need to concentrate the sample if you want to rule OUT heartworm disease.
Also, if you get a positive Ag test you should always do a microfilaria test to help determine the stage/age/type of infection. Microfilaria are the offspring and can't be produced unless there are both male worms present. Remember that the Ag tests for antigen produced by adult females ONLY and you need about 1(dogs) to 3 (cats) adult females to test. Even with a negative Ag test, you still might have heartworm--either a single-sex infection (males only) or an early infection (less than five months). It takes a while for the worms to produce microfilaria--so if you see them, then you've got an infection that's been going on for at least 8 months or so.
The presence of microfilaria in the peripheral circulation depends on many things, including the time of day. Your filter/Knott's test is going to be much more accurate if you draw the blood during the evening hours (if I remember the specific time of day correctly). They have circadian rhythms just like we do--for whatever weird reason.
Okay, enough about heartworm. 🙂 I just think it's really cool. For more, see www.heartwormsociety.org.
btw, this woman is absolutely CRAZY and is not doing pet owners any favors. Sheesh. TSUJC, I like your style. 😉
Also, No Imagination, mad props for getting those dogs tested further and treated!! You saved some lives!
