One of the attendings at the program where I matched is the medical director for Disney Cruise Lines. We offer a rotation doing a month of cruise medicine. I hear it's fairly intense -- 24 hours on, 24 hours off.VentdependenT said:Being a physician on a cruise ship doesn't sound too bad for a couple of years. Handing out scopolamine, protonix, and possibly imitrex shots in between pina coladas and prots sounds type-b.
Wow, where is that program?southerndoc said:One of the attendings at the program where I matched is the medical director for Disney Cruise Lines. We offer a rotation doing a month of cruise medicine. I hear it's fairly intense -- 24 hours on, 24 hours off.
You will find type A and type B personalities in all specialties. Some have predominately one over the other, but this shouldn't be the sole factor in your decision. There are plenty of type B urologist and orthopods. There are several type A anesthiologists, and even psychiatrists. There are rarely type B general surgeons, but it still can happen. Do what you love and be be yourself Type A, B, C or whatever.bustinbooty said:For those of us "laid-back" types, which specialties seem to carry this kind of attitude? PM&R? Anesthesiolgy? Any specialties that Type B personalities should absolutely avoid?
Nice dream, you expose your playa hata ignance yet again. Dermatologists are some of the most Type A people in Medicine. Just because you have a good lifestyle and high salary doesn't mean you are type B. Now get back on the playa hataz ball thread before I whoop your ass!(nicedream) said:I'd say derm is type B, no? Ironically, to land it, and many of these other specialties, you have to be rather type A; at least for awhile.
So what makes derm type A and optho type B?Masonator said:Nice dream, you expose your playa hata ignance yet again. Dermatologists are some of the most Type A people in Medicine. Just because you have a good lifestyle and high salary doesn't mean you are type B. Now get back on the playa hataz ball thread before I whoop your ass!
Isn't optho competetive too though?Masonator said:Type A isn't just how hard you work, it is also how achievment oriented you are, how meticulous you are, how driven you are to seek others approval, etc. Derm is so damn competitive to get into that it is weeding out all the type B personalities who want to go into it. There are Type B derms, as there are type B in all professions. However they are a vanishing minority.
Derm used to be less competitive and more of a draw for Type B people, but this has been changing over the past 20 or so years.
LOL, I think it's all relative though.Pinky said:Type B personalities in med school?
Someone once told me that in each med school class, there are usually only 4 individuals with type B personalities. It's usually yourself, and your 3 closest friends in the class.
Yeah, the most dangerous place to be is between a Dermatologist and his car at 2 PM.tripod said:Sure Derms are very type A. They are damn serious about being out of the clinic by 2 pm and having 4 days off a week.
I tend to agree. but I'd use more diplomatic choice of words.kinetic said:ED guys are type B masquerading as type A. Don't confuse dialing quickly with competitiveness. (Yeah, I'm more diplomatic at times, but I'm a little bored today.)
Uh, what honesty? Didn't you notice that MrHide lied throughout medical school? He even said that his colleagues were engaged in "duplicity and switcheroo" during medical school. Honesty after the fact is hardly being honest.skontroller said:Your honesty is refreshing!!!
So you went into the medical field in order to make a lot of money while hardly working? And you really don't see why people find you contemptible? Like I've said before, yeah, you guys are much more studious and/or intelligent than I ever will be - no question. But your priorities make you look like skeeves who want to "get the money and run". If we all had the mentality of doing as little work as possible, medicine would be in some sorry-ass shape. Some of us do what we do because we like it, not because we like how LITTLE we have to do it.skontroller said:If you work hard in med school, you won't have to in residency.
MrHide said:kinetic, get off your moral thoroughbred. you don't know any of us ... though i would not disagree to your notion that we'd do laps around you intellectually. if a type a is indeed someone who is single-minded in focus, aggressive, and obsessive-compulsive, i would say all my colleagues are type a to have achieved something like landing a derm spot. and some definitely more duplicitous and machiavellian than others ("if you're not cheating, you're not trying" i've heard unfortunately). but what we are NOT is myopic, and the ends to which we strive is not something i will ever apologize for. you can sit at home whacking off to your med school personal statement, simultaneously patting yourself on the back for "keepin it real" while working at your hiv clinic in uganda. but i will never apologize for saying that i love my family and friends more than my patients. in derm, i alone dictate how i will spend the finite hours given to me, not that homeless, IVDU, non-compliant, beligerent diabetic that knowingly put himself into DKA to piss off his girlfriend and bankrupt the county. sorry if that honesty makes me and my colleagues an embarrasment to your noble pursuits. so get that social history of your patient's goldfish and fight that good fight - me and my caddy will be cheering for you.
Yes! We are in full playa hata mode right now!! Your sarcasm speaks volumes. Boy, you get all your comebacks from old reruns of Will and Grace. I've seen better sarcastic comebacks from Al Gore. Anyway since you've cased it out so well, maybe when you'll be burning genital warts from your lovers ass you can decide: Will I use a CO2 laser, or some podophylotoxin. Maybe you could go old school and use liquid nitrogen. What a treatment dilemma you have. Good thing you got a 260 on the boards. You'll need all that brain power to figure it out. I have been enjoying that ocean breeze wafting out of your mom's koochie though. It is quite refreshing! Maybe that is what distracted me during medical school. Hahahaha!!MrHide said:masonator ..... your incredibly compelling and air-tight argument really DID make me wonder if the ends justify the means. i mean ... there IS a lot of reading isn't there? crap .... i knew my illiteracy would hold me back at some point. i thank allah you have infinite knowledge of every field of medicine and the magnanimity to share. i'm starting to realize every dermatologist i have ever met, academic or in private practice, was absolutely hating life and wished they had gone into something easy like neurosurg. is it too late to ditch my derm residency spot? given that you and kinetic are the arbiters of all that is good and moral in medicine, can you guide me in the ethics of ditching this position for a cake neurosurg residency, as they will inevitably have a hard time filling it after i leave.
it ain't my fault, bro. maybe if you could have broken 260 and weren't constanly enjoying that caribbean breeze wafting through your med school, you would have had an outside shot at derm and not harbor so much vitriol for something you know very little about. believe me, i've cased this thing and it doesn't get any better. to each his own.
So which one are you skooter? If we are going to wish we could be something else, why not aim higher than dermatology. I wish I could have been Hugh Hefner!!!! I think all dermatologists are people who wish they could have been famous playas, rock stars, movers and shakers who got all the women. But their not. Oh well.scootad. said:come on admit it. there are 2 types of people in medicine:
Dermatologists & People who wish they could be dermatologists.
I have a lot of respect for academic dermatologists. These guys motivated me to get into medical school. I also have a lot of resect for MOHS surgeons who do flap recontruction. But face it, I've seen so many cocky little tools start flame wars like this right after they've matched into derm. The basic sentiment: "I matched derm, I'm the ****, you guys are all stupid tools, I'm gonna be rich, and drive a nice car! Hahaha," I've seen this happen many times. Please! Even yuppie scumbag investment bankers have more tact and class. I know of FPs who do derm only private practices in long island. Cosmetics and everything. Face it, it is not that hard.GopherBrain said:You know what? I have no interest in Dermatology whatsoever, but I can certainly appreciate what MrHide is saying.
It seems like lot of different fields take pride in feeling superior to dermatologists. They took the easy way out, grabbed the money, the lifestyle, etc.
While we accept this fact, we still (somewhere deep inside) would like to think they feel guilty about it, and recognize they we (not they) are the real doctors. If we can't have that, we at least like to hear protesting about how hard derm is, and how they don't live the cushy life we picture.
It just bugs a lot of doctors to no end to hear "I worked hard in med school so I could make the cash, drive the car, live the life, play some golf, and I love it".
Ever notice how lifestlye people have NO problem whatsoever in affirming that "yeah, we sure are smarter than you do-do heads". It's easy to compliment yourself, eh? But when it comes to talking about what's BAD about themselves, it's all twiddling fingers and hemming and hawing. Nice! Hey, I can admit I'm stupid/less studious compared to you, but apparently you can't admit that you're lazier than me. Why? Your big ego getting in the way? Instead, all you do is go off on a tangent about how I'm "whacking off to [my] medical school statement" and talking about you and your caddy, which, frankly, says more about you than I ever could. You may be book smart, but as your posting shows, you sure are a dumb person.MrHide said:you don't know any of us ... though i would not disagree to your notion that we'd do laps around you intellectually.
Who loves their patients more than their family and friends? (Besides the guys getting arrested for sleeping with their patients, I guess - you psychiatrists know who you are, lol!) I sure don't. Actually, I wish I could kick the asses of every non-compliant, childish, drug-using, or homeless bum. I'm not asking you to apologize for saying that you put family over patients - you should apologize for NOT saying that. You pretended otherwise throughout medical school like a big P--SY (same as your colleagues). Then you land your spot and it's all "whoa, my golf game sure is gonna be good this summer"! (By the way, unless your wife is your caddy, it's strange how you say you love your family and then focus on your golf game in all of your posts. Apparently, your priorities go golf > family/friends > patients. I guess it would sound less noble to say "I like my golf game more than my patients".) If you WERE honest, I'd respect you and just shut the hell up.MrHide said:i will never apologize for saying that i love my family and friends more than my patients
Is that all you have? I'm constantly amazed at you guys with high USMLE scores whose entire EXISTENCE rests on said scores. Every time ANYONE criticizes them, their scores come out so fast that there's a crack of thunder. They carry their framed scores around on large chains around their neck (or chained to their nether regions) for easy access. Is your entire self-worth contained in that score or something? Like I said in another post to an orthopod - I made it through medical school, but I don't have to drive to the take-out counter at Wendy's every night and make fun of that guy to make myself feel good.MrHide said:maybe if you could have broken 260 and weren't constanly enjoying that caribbean breeze wafting through your med school, you would have had an outside shot at derm
I thought that was just low tide down at the beach. Don't worry - MrHide will do his best to "make what is dry wet" with his mom, too.Masonator said:(Reply to MrHide) I have been enjoying that ocean breeze wafting out of your mom's koochie though. It is quite refreshing! Maybe that is what distracted me during medical school. Hahahaha!!
Nice post hata! Again more sarcasm from old classic episodes of will and grace. Thank you for humoring me. I love these flame wars. My hata ranting is directed at everyone, from all walks of life. It does't matter if they are type A, B, C, etc. If you think all my statements contradict themselves, then maybe you aren't as bright as you give yourself credit for. My message is pretty clear, try rereading it. Did the hooked on phonics help? Now, as for hatin' on my relatioships with the ladies, do not worry about that, I'm all set. As for the "American residency", I'm all set there as well. I do thank you mom and her internet site for helping to teach me about the koochie though.MrHide said:masonator, are you on this thing 24/7? really, they need to work you guys a tad harder down on the island if they expect you to get a residency "back in the states". i see you've worked yourself into a frenzied soliloquy and just posted 3 replies to people who couldn't care less about your sorry opinion. i will humor you.
kid, this thread is to discuss type b fields of medicine ... who or what is your sophomoric "hata" ranting directed at? that derm isn't a type b personality field? i can't really follow your self-contradicting assertions: "i hate them. i love them. i loathe. i respect them. it's easy. reading is hard."
masonator, this forum is not an acceptable surrogate for a social life or having actual speaking interactions with the fairer sex. you know nothing of what you profess - if it were not for netter, hugh hefner, and your precious island's internet connection, you would not know the likes of the "koochie" that you speak of. i IMPLORE you not to respond, as your posts are irrelevant, humorless, and truthfully quite sad. and "playa", your whiteboy attempts to sound "ghetto" are insulting to everyone.
Academic derm is cooler. They treat and do research on alot of interesting auto-immune disease with cutaneous manifestations. These folks make 150-200K and work 60-80 hrs per week doing research and writing papers. It isn't the Xanadu that everyone thinks.Sveet07 said:I wonder why people like derm so much? Can someone in derm elaborate please? I thought the only best thing about derm is no work on weekends, not many calls and emergencies to worry about, and that's about it. I thought the clinics lasted way too damn long most of the time. The residents seemed to be overwhelmed with so much reading and presentations every morning. Most residents cant do anything on their weekends off since they have to find time to read and prepare for presentations. Most of the time they read off all these p-values, statistical sig, research lingo stuff about skin diseases which no one knows any definitive treatment for. Most of the residents (if not all) are usually females. Mostly type b on the outside, but type a on the inside. And I said "if not all" because the sole guy who manage to get in a spot is always a little "soft" and "girly" I think. The chief resident who graduated the year before is only making $170,000K/yr. I would think for people who had such high score on their USMLE go for Radiology or something else that makes well over $200,000K/yr right after residency. MOHS surgeons make more money, but not everyone wants to get into this kind of work. In general, the work of derm is not hard. The surgeries (ie. removing warts, moles, lipomas, removing ingrown toe nails, seb k's, treat acne, etc..) that they do I already did in my FP's clinic. Derm is ideal for a female, but for a guy, hmmm..... Just out of curiosity how many male derm are in this forum?
Dude, what are you talking about? Ass surgery is the top prize. I'm doing a hemorrhoid fellowship after I finish residency. I hear they are reaallllly competitive.cjw0918 said:Wow, some of yall are getting pretty vicious regarding the whole derm thing- geez! I think there's a point here to all of this rage over lifestyle vs. industry. Who ever said humanitarianism and the desire to have a life have to be mutually exclusive?
I have a theory that a lot of the folks going into derm aren't doing it for the field or the lifestyle, they're doing it just to see if they can get the spot- some of these folks are ultra competitive people who want the top prize in everything. If ass surgery were the top prize, they'd all be applying to that...
Tsk Tsk Tsk! It is too bad to see such a promising young playa hata like yourself trying to back pedal and take the moral highground. You were on a hatin' role man. You were hatin' people who worked harder then you, you were hatin' people who will make less money then you and you were hatin' people who scored lower then the boards. That is some true playa hatin' bud, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You are a little unusual though, most playa hataz hate people who make more money then them, have a better life then them, or a nicer looking mate, car, or whatever. You are hatin' people who have less then you(according to your own beliefs). Our playa hata psych consultant feels that you are displacing your rage. Perhaps you have kissed so much ass during medical school that all the rage and frustrations is causing you to hate on the "lesser specialties". If derm is so great, why even defend it? Why not keep it a secret?MrHide said:wow, people are up in a tizzy aren't they? my ADD will not allow me to read through your respective diatribes and masturbations to each other's derm-hating. read slowly, i will keep this simple.
kinetic - i'm a type b. now here it comes .... read v-e-r-y slowly so that you will not further insinuate things i do not actually say. the whole point is that i DON'T care about the undying respect of my peers or, least of all, the approval of 3 pre-veterinarian chiropractors that are NOT my peers. that would make me a type a. yes, i'm hopelessly lazy, spent an entire week studying for boards, did a-ight, and now kicking back to reap the fruits of minimal effort. with my caddy. so?! sh!t, i don't even like carrying my own damn clubs. and, while we're on that note, why floor it when i can just tap the accelerator and wait for that turbo kick on a finely-tuned piece of stuttgart machinery. comprende? look, i've been going to school since i was five and don't want to see my best years further wasted in 4-hour post-call teaching rounds and family meetings.
masonator - your posts are not fresh. "hey everybody ... i get plenty of women. really i do. i had sex with hide's mother." and my personal favorite, "derm diagnoses are easy ...but reading is hard!" please log off.
sveet - look masonator, logging in with a different name is just sad and does nothing to further your very noble derm-hating cause. might have to dust off my dsm-iv, but that qualifies as a delusion of actual social discourse. but you got one thing right masonator - would have loved to gone into rads. nothing but respect for those guys. just didn't want to be holed up in front of a computer, even if i could read films at home. evidently, that doesn't bother you all too much and you don't even get paid mad bank for doing it.
thanks everyone for their enlightening and methodical breakdown of why derm is thoroughly emasculating and sucks to no end. it has been in NO way interpreted as envy or misplaced disdain for seeing someone actually happy about their career choice.
So much good material... I had to come back and hate this worthy hata adversary again!!MrHide said:wow, people are up in a tizzy aren't they? my ADD will not allow me to read through your respective diatribes and masturbations to each other's derm-hating. read slowly, i will keep this simple.
It is funny how such a type B insults people by calling them vet chiropractors, he manages to insult vets and chiropractors and ourselves simultaneously! Bravo. How many type B people whip out elitist lines like this? This guy brings his caddy with him everywhere... maybe there is something too that.MrHide said:kinetic - i'm a type b. now here it comes .... read v-e-r-y slowly so that you will not further insinuate things i do not actually say. the whole point is that i DON'T care about the undying respect of my peers or, least of all, the approval of 3 pre-veterinarian chiropractors that are NOT my peers. that would make me a type a. yes, i'm hopelessly lazy, spent an entire week studying for boards, did a-ight, and now kicking back to reap the fruits of minimal effort. with my caddy. so?! sh!t, i don't even like carrying my own damn clubs.
I couldn't do all the hatin' I wanted because I was at work. These are the choicest quotes from the derm hata himself, mister hide. OOhhh, so many good places to start. Mr Hide, you should try that finely tuned turbo line the next time you try and pick up a woman. You can get back to us on how successful it is. I think to really give that line justice, you should be wearing a polo tennis shirt and have a sweater wrapped around your shoulders.MrHide said:while we're on that note, why floor it when i can just tap the accelerator and wait for that turbo kick on a finely-tuned piece of stuttgart machinery. comprende? look, i've been going to school since i was five and don't want to see my best years further wasted in 4-hour post-call teaching rounds and family meetings.
The hatin' masta of ceremonies won't be logging off anytime soon my brotha!MrHide said:masonator - your posts are not fresh. "hey everybody ... i get plenty of women. really i do. i had sex with hide's mother." and my personal favorite, "derm diagnoses are easy ...but reading is hard!" please log off.
You relationship with your catty is a delusion of social discourse. He doesn't like you you country club going elitist bastard. Every since you got the hots for N'Synch he as been hopelessly jealous.MrHide said:sveet - look masonator, logging in with a different name is just sad and does nothing to further your very noble derm-hating cause. might have to dust off my dsm-iv, but that qualifies as a delusion of actual social discourse.
I wish I could make mad bank telling people how to apply sunscreen and handing out free facial cream... I guess I'm just not cool enough.MrHide said:but you got one thing right masonator - would have loved to gone into rads. nothing but respect for those guys. just didn't want to be holed up in front of a computer, even if i could read films at home. evidently, that doesn't bother you all too much and you don't even get paid mad bank for doing it.
We are glad you are happy hata! Tis dirty work, but somebodies got to do it( I'm talking about being an elitist bastard and not dermatology). I never said derm sucks to no end. You reacted that way when I pointed out some shortcomings. Maybe you should read slowly so that you don't misinterpret.MrHide said:thanks everyone for their enlightening and methodical breakdown of why derm is thoroughly emasculating and sucks to no end. it has been in NO way interpreted as envy or misplaced disdain for seeing someone actually happy about their career choice.
I'm sorry, what was your original question? Oh yes A vs. B.bustinbooty said:I wish people who started a thread had the power to close it. If you children wanna talk/bash derm, one would think you were smart enough to start a new thread. That way I don't have to sift through all your stupid soliloquies to find any meaningful discussion from the thread I started.