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crna2006 said:
I do not recall using the term idiot, perhaps naive. I presented my reasons not to vote for Donald trump. I was not wrong. The information I presented was and is factually correct.
That the majority of Americans voted for Trump despite of this information is, to put it mildly, puzzling.
I owe no apology I never hinted or stated my vote was to hurt someone, unlike you with the tears remark.
I cannot help when faced with a mirror it makes you feel badly or lash out.
If you had any "guts" you would apologize for the tears remark and just say, as untrue as it is, that you voted for x reason.
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I voted against progressive fascism and my daughters right to change without the presence of a man in her locker room.

I also voted against turning into Latin America. Lawfare and trying to lock up political opponents is dangerous precedent. Same with taxing capital gains. Those actions are un-American.
 
crna2006 said:
If you had any "guts" you would apologize for the tears remark and just say, as untrue as it is, that you voted for x reason.
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I'm sorry if my joke about tears hurt your feelings. I voted for Trump for the reasons I stated previously.
 
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Angus Avagadro said:
Serious question, not looking for snark or derision. Why 14 million fewer votes this election than in 2020? I'm guessing candidate fatigue on both sides but haven't seen any data on why.
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2024 is more in line with 2016. Covid is the big X factor. 15-20% change in turnout is huge.
 
crna2006 said:
I do not recall using the term idiot, perhaps naive. I presented my reasons not to vote for Donald trump. I was not wrong. The information I presented was and is factually correct.
That the majority of Americans voted for Trump despite of this information is, to put it mildly, puzzling.
I owe no apology I never hinted or stated my vote was to hurt someone, unlike you with the tears remark.
I cannot help when faced with a mirror it makes you feel badly or lash out.
If you had any "guts" you would apologize for the tears remark and just say, as untrue as it is, that you voted for x reason.
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Scram murse!

- I'm Donald Trump and I approve of this message.
 
PB2464 said:
What you don't say?! Wait say that again please I want to hear more about this.

The more important thing to ask is, are the democrat policies THAT bad to where people would still vote for Trump? Yeah. Yeah, they are. Do you leave the house?
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Policies don't really matter. Did Obama and Biden have significantly different policies from Harris? No. But they won by large margins

Trump didn't articulate a coherent policy at all. And any hints of policy (tariffs, deportation) are either grossly harmful to the avg voter or simply unachievable (like making Mexico pay for the wall).

The average citizen got hit hard during covid and blamed Trump for it, regardless of the fact that it largely wasn't his fault, despite his best efforts to mismanage it. And voted him out

The avg citizen got hit hard by post covid inflation, unrelated to presidential policy, and they voted out Biden/Harris

She could've promised everything that anyone could've wanted and it's doubtful it would've mattered much. She couldn't run as the anti Biden as that would come across as disloyal. But she couldn't advocate for change either, since she was the incumbent party.

Voters go with their gut feel. They don't understand how they got there or how they will get out. Majority don't understand the complexity of the issues.

Immigration? The percentage of criminals is vanishingly small. The effects of blocking immigration, like Trump did, would cost the economy billions in increased labor costs and labor shortages.

We have a 4% unemployment rate. If we removed the existing illegals from the labor force, and prevented further influx, it would be a massive hit to the labor markets. Simple supply and demand.

We have an aging population, with fewer workers. Immigrants occupy large parts of the labor force, and have more kids than native citizens.

Open borders? Of course not. Only the right wing uses that term. Create a process, pathway, etc that allows the labor markets to take advantage of the supply of cheap labor.

Taxes? Cuts sound nice. But we can't cut our way out the the deficit, not even close. Tariffs are a tax on the poor. So we either tax everyone, tax the rich, or tax corporations you decide.

Foreign wars? Complex foreign policy doesn't affect voters much
 
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UscGhost said:
Taxes? Cuts sound nice. But we can't cut our way out the the deficit, not even close. Tariffs are a tax on the poor. So we either tax everyone, tax the rich, or tax corporations you decide.
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Let Elon go to work on reducing the size of government. Shrink federal work force by 50%. Cut agency budgets. Obviously they are not productive and don’t work. Otherwise the left would campaign on them. Why are we borrowing money to keep them afloat? Another reason I vote DJT.

A localized recession in dc wouldn’t hurt the country. I’d argue it’d be stimulative if less money were transferred from the makers to takers. Just my hunch!
 
Gern Blansten said:
My true colors are red, white, and blue. America first and sensible policy from our leaders.
I can provide milk, cookies, and legos if you need.
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That is ok I face reality. There was an attempted coup. Trump has not articulated a "policy" but you stay in your safe space.
 
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crna2006 said:
That is ok if face reality. There was an attempted couple. Trump has not articulated a "policy" but you stay in your safe space.
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I’m not sure I understand any of what you have written, but I trust that it was impactful in how you intended it.
 
NukHopkins said:
Let Elon go to work on reducing the size of government. Shrink federal work force by 50%. Cut agency budgets. Obviously they are not productive and don’t work. Otherwise the left would campaign on them. Why are we borrowing money to keep them afloat? Another reason I vote DJT.

A localized recession in dc wouldn’t hurt the country. I’d argue it’d be stimulative if less money were transferred from the makers to takers. Just my hunch!
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That wouldn't even make a dent.

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Check out @FiscalService Fiscal Data’s new federal spending page! #FederalSpending
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Republicans have been talking about cutting spending for decades, and when they are in power, they spend just as much as Dems.

Medicare, SSI, interest, defense, healthcare account for about 85% of the budget.

Raise medicare and SS age? Cut benefits? Cut defense? We have an aging population with anticipated increase SS and Medicare costs. Meanwhile we have a shrink population of young workers (who actually fund medicare and SS)

It's another magical promise that's not based in reality, and voters generally fall for it
 
UscGhost said:
That wouldn't even make a dent.

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

Fiscal Data Explains Federal Spending

Check out @FiscalService Fiscal Data’s new federal spending page! #FederalSpending
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Republicans have been talking about cutting spending for decades, and when they are in power, they spend just as much as Dems.

Medicare, SSI, interest, defense, healthcare account for about 85% of the budget.

Raise medicare and SS age? Cut benefits? Cut defense? We have an aging population with anticipated increase SS and Medicare costs. Meanwhile we have a shrink population of young workers (who actually fund medicare and SS)

It's another magical promise that's not based in reality, and voters generally fall for it
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Nah he’ll make a dent.
 
NukHopkins said:
Nah he’ll make a dent.
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Technically true, but unless he hits one of the things mentioned above, it won't be enough of a dent to make a difference fiscally speaking.

That said, I think they ought to do it. If we absolutely gut the federal government and nothing bad happens then good on them for doing it and they deserve the sweeping electoral victory they just got. If they gut the federal government and bad things happen, then we know that it was a terrible idea and hopefully they'll pay for it at The ballot box
 
I think Biden is the big winner if anyone can make that claim. He stepped aside (begrudgingly) and gets to maintain the title as the one who could best trump, despite the fact that he would have been crushed worse than Kamala. It’s good for his legacy campaign and he will probably be gone before next election anyway.

Speaking of legacy, I have a glimmer of hope that will be first and foremost on Trumps mind this go around. I’m hoping for a more tempered administration despite the fact that the crazy rhetoric will continue. He gets off on people loving him and he wants to take that to the grave.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Technically true, but unless he hits one of the things mentioned above, it won't be enough of a dent to make a difference fiscally speaking.

That said, I think they ought to do it. If we absolutely gut the federal government and nothing bad happens then good on them for doing it and they deserve the sweeping electoral victory they just got. If they gut the federal government and bad things happen, then we know that it was a terrible idea and hopefully they'll pay for it at The ballot box
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This is how I feel, though I’d go farther. He ran on a campaign, he has a sweeping mandate, so let’s friggin do it and see what happens. Get rid of all 3 letter agencies and let’s see what happens. Let RFK Jr. get rid of vaccines let’s see what happens. My kids always hated shots anyway. Totally make up your own science on the fly all while claiming to ‘follow the science’.

March every illegal out let’s see how it goes. Largest deportation in history - do it!

Get rid of income taxes! I’ve been sick of them since I started paying them. I’ve voted to my financial detriment, but I’m gonna hold Trump at his word!

Hand over Ukraine to Russia. Let China do whatever. Bring on the tariffs!! let Israel do as they please on Iran backed enemies.

Maybe he’ll get rid of SS and Medicare/Medicaid also as part of us paying no income tax. Let’s see how it looks to be a country with the bulk of its elderly and poor living in the streets.

With Congress and SCOTUS he can go full on project 2025 and do the national abortion ban. As Nick Fuentes tweeted ‘your body my choice’. Yeahhhhh MAGA!!!!

I’m ready for all of it MAGA. I’m gonna hold you to it!
 
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DirtDocMD said:
1. Economy/inflation
2. Immigration
3. Foreign wars

Like it, or not, Trump “answered” these questions, when they were asked (both in his previous term, and during this campaign. Lotta folks don’t like those answers, or don’t believe them, but he answered.

Kamala didn’t have an “answer” for these questions. When any attempt WAS made by her to answer them, the response was either “Ditto what Joe did.”, or was SO contradictory to her previous 20 years in politics that NO ONE believed it, not just “a lotta folks”.

Abortion?? Well, we know HER policies. Trump had said he wanted Roe v Wade struck down. He got that with his SC picks. He said he was leaving it alone/leaving it to the states, otherwise. You can believe it, or not, but it was his “answer”, and enough folks were ok enough with it, that it didn’t kneecap his chances.

The GOP and the Dems both have a 45% vote built in, anymore. The 10% “undecided”, figured they’d give Trump 2.0 a try, over Biden 2.0.

10-20 million illegal aliens, 30% inflation, and 2 foreign wars didn’t help the Dems. Feel free to respond with diatribes about whose fault that is, but most folks simply ask “Did that happen between 2016-2020, or 2020-2024??”, and vote accordingly.
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I would also add crime that the Left keeps saying is imaginary.
 
Gern Blansten said:
The point he’s making is that everyone called him and others idiots for thinking that oddsmakers such as polymarket’s predicted outcomes were more reliable than the polls (polymarket was right about nearly 100%)

That I know of, none of those posters have come back to acknowledge how wrong they were. Even the news outlets have come out and said that polymarket was the only ones who accurately predicted the outcome.

If you’re going to call someone stupid and shame them on an Internet forum and act like you know so much more about a topic and you are proven to be 100% wrong, those posters should have the decency to come back and eat some crow and apologize.

Heck, even Rowsdower came back after the Biden was pulled from the ticket and said he was wrong after he said it would never happen.

That is the only reason he’s bringing it up. I assume…

We see the same with the left leaning media. They state all of these crazy things and then come back the next day and act as if they knew something all along and act like they never said what they said. Scarborough comes to mind as the worst example of that. We see it on this forum as well. “Biden is sharp as a tack” when everyone knew he wasn’t. “Trump wants to have Liz Cheney executed” when it’s clear that is not what was said. People just want to see some accountability. I know I would. If you’ve been wrong so blatantly, just own up and say so.
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You talk a big game but don't know what you're talking about. He had a 50/50 shot of getting it right just like everyone else. The point is just because poly market got it right doesn't mean they had some inside information as he was suggesting. Your arrogance is staggering.
 
The dems should let Trump govern even if the republicans don't play by the same rule.
 
agammaglobulin said:
Stock market/digital currencies surging. Hamas calling for an end to the war. Migrants headed North to the border turning around. NYC stopping food vouchers for illegal immigrants. Qatar telling Hamas they have to leave their country. And it's been 2 days.
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In the case of the NYC article you shared, they're ending the pilot program. They're still going to deliver food directly to migrants.

"NYC will phase out a program that gives prepaid debit cards to migrant families in city-funded hotels to purchase their own meals and essentials, according to CBS News New York. The program will provide migrant families with debit cards until the end of the year. After that, the city will deliver food directly to migrants."

Wrt the Hamas article you shared:

""The election of Trump as the 47th president of the USA is a private matter for the Americans," Hamas Political Bureau member and spokesperson Basem Naim told Newsweek, "but Palestinians look forward to an immediate cessation of the aggression against our people, especially in Gaza, and look for assistance in achieving their legitimate rights of freedom, independence, and the establishment of their independent self-sovereign state with Jerusalem as its capital."

That sounds like the Hamas leader is living in a different plane of existence. Trump will just turn Gaza into a smoother surface of glass than what currently exists. Presumably, the war will continue if they don't become a sovereign state.
 
crash2500 said:
You talk a big game but don't know what you're talking about. He had a 50/50 shot of getting it right just like everyone else. The point is just because poly market got it right doesn't mean they had some inside information as he was suggesting. Your arrogance is staggering.
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My bad. You were so smart when you derided him for saying the polymarket data was useless. Way to go. You’re so smart. /s
Your last sentence is pretty funny. The person who has been so wrong and has commented with a ridiculous amount of ill-fated confidence to now say someone else is arrogant. This, after being so confident you were right about how the election would turn out, and then being so wrong. Just take the loss without all of the drama. The nation has spoken and they do not agree with you. The oddsmakers knew the reality while corrupt pollsters tried the hide the truth to protect the down ballot races. A few here saw the truth. You weren’t one of them. Instead, you denigrated them, painting them as naive and ignorant.
You were wrong. Not just a little. But completely.
 
I’m shocked people didn’t relate to Kamala’s messaging.
 

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Gern Blansten said:
My bad. You were so smart when you derided him for saying the polymarket data was useless. Way to go. You’re so smart. /s
Your last sentence is pretty funny. The person who has been so wrong and has commented with a ridiculous amount of ill-fated confidence to now say someone else is arrogant. This, after being so confident you were right about how the election would turn out, and then being so wrong. Just take the loss without all of the drama. The nation has spoken and they do not agree with you. The oddsmakers knew the reality while corrupt pollsters tried the hide the truth to protect the down ballot races. A few here saw the truth. You weren’t one of them. Instead, you denigrated them, painting them as naive and ignorant.
You were wrong. Not just a little. But completely.
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Go back and look. I never said Trump would lose. All I said was using betting odds as a surrogate was stupid.

Again you're too blind to see that though.
 
Splenda88 said:
Stop acting like MAGA. That has nothing to do with Trump.
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"President-elect Donald Trump’s victory spurred a rise in in the U.S. 10-year Treasury yield. Mortgage rates, which loosely follow the benchmark yield, are also climbing."

“The expectation among bond traders coming into the election was that rates would move higher in the event of a Trump victory and especially a red sweep. While the latter is not yet clear, the former is enough for another bump to rates that have already risen abruptly with Trump’s victory odds,” said Matthew Graham, chief operating officer at Mortgage News Daily.

If you dispute the reporting you could say why.
 
emergentmd said:
Leftists NEVER riot. They ransack stores b/c they hungry or basic clothes or need that latest LV purse or those nike shoe stores. They only burned down those fast food joints because they needed food. They only occupied major streets for weeks because they just needed street lights to read when it got dark. They just take over Universities because they want to be educated.

Nothing to see. I have never seen a leftist riot.
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Regarding riots, they never materialized because even her own party wasn't that overwhelmed with her. Many Dems didn't even bother and sat out this election compared to last or even defected to Trump. If a stronger candidate won the popular vote but lost the electrical vote you might have seen some action on the street.
 
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rowsdower88 said:
Wrt the Hamas article you shared:

""The election of Trump as the 47th president of the USA is a private matter for the Americans," Hamas Political Bureau member and spokesperson Basem Naim told Newsweek, "but Palestinians look forward to an immediate cessation of the aggression against our people, especially in Gaza, and look for assistance in achieving their legitimate rights of freedom, independence, and the establishment of their independent self-sovereign state with Jerusalem as its capital."

That sounds like the Hamas leader is living in a different plane of existence. Trump will just turn Gaza into a smoother surface of glass than what currently exists. Presumably, the war will continue if they don't become a sovereign state.
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I really don't think this should degenerate into a IP discussion, but I condemn Hamas and the war crimes committed by Israel as well.

"In one of the most egregious cases, the Commission investigated the killing of five-year-old Hind Rajab, along with her extended family, and the shelling of a Palestinian Red Crescent Society ambulance and killing of two paramedics sent to rescue her. The Commission determined on reasonable grounds that the Israeli Army’s 162nd Division operated in the area and is responsible for killing the family of seven, shelling the ambulance and killing the two paramedics inside. This constitutes the war crimes of wilful killing and an attack against civilian objects."

 
Gern Blansten said:
Exactly. And you were 100% wrong.
And you bashed Trump and anyone who would dare vote for Trump. He won in decisive fashion across multiple demographics.
You were on the wrong side of everything.
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Lol wut?

I never bashed anyone. You're delusional.

And no I wasn't wrong. Just because he won, doesn't mean that using betting odds was not stupid. There were only two choices. 50% percent chance you would be right. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Why are you so emotional? Do you display this kind of emotional judgement in the OR? You must be a joy to be around.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Serious question, not looking for snark or derision. Why 14 million fewer votes this election than in 2020? I'm guessing candidate fatigue on both sides but haven't seen any data on why.
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2020 had Biden 81M and DJT 74M for total of 154M.

2024 Current DJT 74M and KH 69M. There is alittle more than 10M votes left so total will be around 78M DJT and 75M KH for a total of 153M votes.

Avg turnout typically in the 125M range so this year will be historic and very close to 2020.

DJT won because he had the most votes a republican has ever had by well over 10M. KH will have the 2nd highest Dem vote ever other than Biden.


People showed up, people voted, people voted for KH but more came out for DJT which shows the mandate.
 
Gern Blansten said:
Exactly. And you were 100% wrong.
And you bashed Trump and anyone who would dare vote for Trump. He won in decisive fashion across multiple demographics.
You were on the wrong side of everything.
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I'm just so relieved that all this nonsense the Left, media, academia, and Hollywood has been shoving down our throats 24/7, open borders, push towards more socialism, rioters as heros, they/them effing insanity, has been thoroughly rejected for at least another 4 years.

The children tried to pull off a take down of America, a true insurrection, and the adults in the room stepped up to save them from themselves.
 
crash2500 said:
There were only two choices. 50% percent chance you would be right.
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Just because there are only two outcomes does not mean you have a 50% chance of being right. You claim to have such expertise on the topic and then say this?
This is not like the flip of a coin. That is where you have misjudged this. In 1984, did Mondale have a 50% chance to win?
The data being commented on was far more complex than simply a yes / no. The polymarket data perfectly overlayed the data seen on the final results. That was not the flip of a coin. That was people looking at actual data and interpreting it honestly and objectively. Oddsmakers look objectively and without emotion because they’re interested in the outcome so they can make money.
Pollsters have different objectives. You made fun of him for considering the oddsmaker’s data. He was right and you were wrong. It’s even more telling that you still can’t see it.
 
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