Biden Out of Race

[emergentmd]

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As much as conservatives talk about the left being snowflakes and participation trophy winners, the victim mentality on the right can be unreal sometimes.

"Just give me the same grace and don't tell me I am wrong/immoral/garbage/racists/sexists."

If I can't even tell you I think you're wrong, what are we even doing here?

You are so myopic and closed minded that you don't even realize how you come across. Humility sometimes is a good thing.

You have a right to give you opinion on a subject. You have the right to disagree. You can tell me that my opinion is wrong. But you do not have the right to tell me that my opinion is wrong and then label me with a derogatory name.

An opinion is an opinion and NOT fact. That is why they call it an opinion.

You are the classic dem elitist that have lost your base. "Listen to me because you are wrong and let me tell you why you are wrong". You sound like an overbearing controlling parent who is trying to control their adult kids. This never ends well.

DJT did better in decades with young/new voters, blacks, Hispanics, lower/middle class. If this does not make you step back, then you will continue to live in y our sad echo chamber.

 

[emergentmd]

Thats the difference between republican and democrats. I respect her views. But im also willing to help her out with a lucrative gig. I’m not gonna to be mean about it.

Wait. You didn't lecture her and tell her why she was a horrible person? You didn't fire her or make her life miserable doing the worse cases to punish her. Crazy talk.

The party of inclusion would have taken her back to your office and explained to her why her thinking was wrong. And if this didn't work, you should have labeled her a derogatory name. And if this didn't work, you should have made the other staff cancel her so she would quit.

 

[emergentmd]

I think it absolutely could be worth losing a decades long relationship over political beliefs. Distancing could be permanent if there is no reconciliation over political belief

You picked the right party. The Party of inclusion. The Party of free speech. The party of self expression.

Dude, I really feel bad for you. That is a really dark place to live.

 

[emergentmd]

Trump, if nothing else, will probably be the most “consequential” President since FDR, when it come to SC appointments (and likely other Fed judicial appointments, as well.

Yup. I told my wife that the legacy of a president is not what laws they past but their opportunity to remake the supreme court.

DJT hopefully can get 2 or 3 more Judges which would be his legacy and the main reason I voted for him.

From my perspective, the move to the right of SCOTUS was the greatest accomplishment of any president in my lifetime. More Conservative federal judges would be great. No matter all of DJT's character flaws, he did what no president has done in my lifetime. Hope he gets to replace a few more liberal judges.

 

[anonperson]

Trump will name more conservative judges. He may even pick a majority of the Supreme Court.

Republicans are gearing up to lock in their remake of the judiciary under President-elect Donald Trump and a new Senate majority, including potentially installing several more conservative Supreme Court justices.

www.yahoo.com

Interesting.

Trump, if nothing else, will probably be the most “consequential” President since FDR, when it come to SC appointments (and likely other Fed judicial appointments, as well.

One of the main reasons why I voted for him was for the Supreme Court.

We already had a huge ruling in June with the Grants Pass decision. Cities can finally enforce anti camping laws without ridiculous shelter requirements. Of course the 3 liberal justices dissented. I wonder how many meth addicts are camping out in front of their houses?

Oh wait, probably 0 because they wouldn't allow it to happen to them.

Finally some sanity in the world

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I don’t think it’s such a slippery to slope to see how “distancing” yourselves from those with different political ideologies could lead to the justification of egregious actions like this.

FEMA official directed hurricane relief workers to avoid homes with Trump signage | Fox News

Florida Gov. DeSantis slammed the 'blatant weaponization' by the agency

www.foxnews.com

Wow that is just sick

 

[anonperson]

Edit: If we changed the hypothetical to something like: "Distancing yourself from your MAGA relative could predictably cause emotional harm enough to push them into depression and increase their suicide risk, is it morally wrong to do that?" Then we're getting closer to what I described as an exception for dependents. In that case you probably have some obligation to reduce that dependence.

Ohio sheriff's lieutenant states 'I will not help you' to Harris voters on social media

Some posts had been shared more than 250,000 times and another suggested people would need to "provide proof of who you voted for" if they wanted his help.

wpde.com

Your hypothetical subject should quit being such a weiner if they're getting depressed that easily from a Trump supporting relative.

Harris/Walz spent the latter part of the election calling Trump and his supporters literal Nazis while Biden was calling them garbage. The Democrats were called out for their hypocrisy but no Trump supporter was getting depressed or having mental health issues.

It's typically liberals, who for some reason, have extreme emotional responses to politics.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

James Carville and his wife have you beat when it comes to opposites attracting. She is a GOP strategist and worked for the Bush campaign while Carville worked for Clinton. They’re still married after 30 years!

Perspective: The lessons of James Carville and Mary Matalin

At a time of heightened political tension, James Carville and Mary Matalin show there's a better way.

www.deseret.com

I always felt like there was bs in that marriage, or bs in their political beliefs similar to how lawyers can act so passionate about stuff they know is completely false. On the surface they are both so annoyingly extreme.

 

[emergentmd]

Too bad I didn't go into psychiatry. I would be booked for years seeing pts with DJT derangement syndrome. Its spectacular to see.

I love how dems blame the voters for what happened. They are blaming voters? Geez.. Some introspection would be helpful.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Walz spent the latter part of the election calling Trump and his supporters literal Nazis.

I'm his defense you'd be cranky too if a former and future President of the United States would publicly refer to you as Tampon Tim
😂🤣😭
That will never not be funny to me haha

 

[caligas]

So here’s a non partisan theory. Could Trump be like some sort of human “Green Needle/Brainstorm?” How else could people hear two ENTIRELY different things when they listen to him?

 

[Southpaw]

It is the Democratic messaging/campaign strategy that is failing across the country. Not their policies. Democratic platform policy is winning. Voters did not ban abortion on the ballots. They voted for higher minimum wages. They voted for paid family and sick leave. 12% of voters in Missouri voted both for Trump and for abortion rights.

Democrats just need to run better campaigns. The alt media messaging campaign that largely encaptures gen z and white males is very effective. Alt media guys like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk make their entire living attacking the unpopular identity politics from democrats. Democratic policies are attractive to the American people. Their messaging, on the whole, isn’t.

 

[Gern Blansten]

So here’s a non partisan theory. Could Trump be like some sort of human “Green Needle/Brainstorm?” How else could people hear two ENTIRELY different things when they listen to him?

Because half (actually quite a bit less than half) have believed the lies that they have been told by media. More are waking up, though. The other half actually listen for themselves and form their own opinion. The more people tell me they hate him and that I’m a racist misogynist for supporting him, the more I have gravitated towards him. The rest of the country moved in a similar direction. The lies became unsustainable and got exposed on Twitter and Joe Rogan. The mental illness of his detractors has been on full display with Hollywood, legacy media, Ivy League schools, and the soft democrats who now need legos, cookies, and milk.

 

[Gern Blansten]

It is the Democratic messaging/campaign strategy that is failing across the country. Not their policies. Democratic platform policy is winning. Voters did not ban abortion on the ballots. They voted for higher minimum wages. They voted for paid family and sick leave. 12% of voters in Missouri voted both for Trump and for abortion rights.

Democrats just need to run better campaigns. The alt media messaging campaign that largely encaptures gen z and white males is very effective. Alt media guys like Matt Walsh and Charlie Kirk make their entire living attacking the unpopular identity politics from democrats. Democratic policies are attractive to the American people. Their messaging, on the whole, isn’t.

Wait, people don’t like being called deplorables, nazis, garbage, racist, misogynistic? Why did it take so long for your side to figure that out? Actually, I don’t think they have figured it out, based on some of the news media and celebrity comments I’ve seen.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

There's lots of factors for why mental health conditions are more prevalent today the most obvious being a greater concern for it, but there's also survivorship bias. Remember the plane meme? Regardless, I'm mostly agnostic to a person's reasons for distancing. Maybe I could think they're dumb/bad reasons, that doesn't make that person's decision wrong necessarily.

Survivorship Bias Plane | Know Your Meme

Survivorship Bias Plane also known as Plane With Red Dots refers to a reaction image meme showing a diagram of a plane with red dots collected on its wings

knowyourmeme.com

I'm not despondent. I can understand and sympathize with someone who is though. Not everyone did fine during Trump or after Trump, maybe some people take issue with his (at times) unserious approach to covid? Trans people? Deporting friends/family? Lots of potential reasons for legitimate grievances, there's no need to invent some.

I take issue with a lot of what he did, but a healthy well-adjusted person focuses on what they can control rather than the hypothetical demons that are out there.

I have so little sympathy for people who are mentally distraught because they have an external locus of control, and that to me signals that they aren’t introspective or mature enough to divorce themselves from life’s outcomes especially ones like a stupid election.

An election isn’t something that just happens to most people, especially the people who are complaining (mostly affluent men and women in liberal cities as I’ve seen). You have agency, you vote, sometimes you get what you want, other times you don’t. Simple as that.

There’s no excuse for living in a fantasy land where if the world were just you’d have gotten what you wanted. It’s just as bad as the whiny election deniers in my view, and 10x more annoying when people take to their narcissism machines on social media and make themselves cry on demand or make long winded speeches on an instagram story.

It’s so nauseating to watch trained professional adults go on the internet and whine for months about things that have no effect on them personally. They complain that “oh but it affects the less fortunate!” Ok, then why aren’t you doing anything about it? An adult acts, a child whines to feel like they’re doing something about it.

If the people who are afraid of being marginalized spent half as much time cultivating positive friendships as they do moaning on instagram then they’d have way more mental fortitude to just move on with their lives and stop this almost totally imagined hero/persecution complex.

Trump won. I went to work next day and took care of people. Literally no one even mentioned the election because we were busy taking care of people and that matters 1000x more than a dbag as president.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Because half (actually quite a bit less than half) have believed the lies that they have been told by media. More are waking up, though. The other half actually listen for themselves and form their own opinion. The more people tell me they hate him and that I’m a racist misogynist for supporting him, the more I have gravitated towards him. The rest of the country moved in a similar direction. The lies became unsustainable and got exposed on Twitter and Joe Rogan. The mental illness of his detractors has been on full display with Hollywood, legacy media, Ivy League schools, and the soft democrats who now need legos, cookies, and milk.

When I was in college 20 years ago the night before exams every semester the dining hall was open from 10pm-2am serving cookies and milk. It was delightful.

Let's not denigrate cookies and milk as a stress relief here.

That said, Legos are expensive these days. If your college has free Lego money why not stop increasing tuition to insane levels.

 

[rowsdower88]

You are so myopic and closed minded that you don't even realize how you come across. Humility sometimes is a good thing.

You have a right to give you opinion on a subject. You have the right to disagree. You can tell me that my opinion is wrong. But you do not have the right to tell me that my opinion is wrong and then label me with a derogatory name.

An opinion is an opinion and NOT fact. That is why they call it an opinion.

You are the classic dem elitist that have lost your base. "Listen to me because you are wrong and let me tell you why you are wrong". You sound like an overbearing controlling parent who is trying to control their adult kids. This never ends well.

DJT did better in decades with young/new voters, blacks, Hispanics, lower/middle class. If this does not make you step back, then you will continue to live in y our sad echo chamber.

I said you were wrong and I never labelled you with a derogatory name. I never said you were racist or sexist etc... The most you could say is that I implied you still have a victim mentality despite your party winning an election decisively.

That was my opinion lol.

Now you're saying I'm "myopic", "closed minded", "elitist", "overbearing" and a "controlling parent". Aren't you guilty of labeling?

 

[rowsdower88]

You picked the right party. The Party of inclusion. The Party of free speech. The party of self expression.

Dude, I really feel bad for you. That is a really dark place to live.

It's telling you just say I'm living in a "dark place" instead of actually making an argument against mine.

Conservatives are upset their kids/friends/family don't want to be around them because of their vote. That's, in general, a morally neutral decision those kids are making.

You don't have to associate with people if you don't want to.

 

[rowsdower88]

Your hypothetical subject should quit being such a weiner if they're getting depressed that easily from a Trump supporting relative.

Harris/Walz spent the latter part of the election calling Trump and his supporters literal Nazis while Biden was calling them garbage. The Democrats were called out for their hypocrisy but no Trump supporter was getting depressed or having mental health issues.

It's typically liberals, who for some reason, have extreme emotional responses to politics.

"Quit being a weiner and be friends with your MAGA uncle"?

Seems like you're forcing a friendship IMO.

 

[Gern Blansten]

"Quit being a weiner and be friends with your MAGA uncle"?

Seems like you're forcing a friendship IMO.

Uncles are family. Not friends.

 

[rowsdower88]

I take issue with a lot of what he did, but a healthy well-adjusted person focuses on what they can control rather than the hypothetical demons that are out there.

I have so little sympathy for people who are mentally distraught because they have an external locus of control, and that to me signals that they aren’t introspective or mature enough to divorce themselves from life’s outcomes especially ones like a stupid election.

An election isn’t something that just happens to most people, especially the people who are complaining (mostly affluent men and women in liberal cities as I’ve seen). You have agency, you vote, sometimes you get what you want, other times you don’t. Simple as that.

There’s no excuse for living in a fantasy land where if the world were just you’d have gotten what you wanted. It’s just as bad as the whiny election deniers in my view, and 10x more annoying when people take to their narcissism machines on social media and make themselves cry on demand or make long winded speeches on an instagram story.

I basically agree with what you're saying here. People distancing in their relationships COULD be a sign of instability. I don't necessarily think it implies they're morally wrong for it though.

It’s so nauseating to watch trained professional adults go on the internet and whine for months about things that have no effect on them personally. They complain that “oh but it affects the less fortunate!” Ok, then why aren’t you doing anything about it? An adult acts, a child whines to feel like they’re doing something about it.

I think there are some things only government can do. If someone is friends with undocumented immigrants or transpeople, there are definitely SOME things they can do to help them. That doesn't mean there aren't going to be big negative consequences associated with Trump coming into power. I'm sure the left will raise a lot money for those less fortunate over the next few years and that will help some people.

If the people who are afraid of being marginalized spent half as much time cultivating positive friendships as they do moaning on instagram then they’d have way more mental fortitude to just move on with their lives and stop this almost totally imagined hero/persecution complex.

Trump won. I went to work next day and took care of people. Literally no one even mentioned the election because we were busy taking care of people and that matters 1000x more than a dbag as president.

Some people reacted differently?

Maybe talking with Trump voters would be a better solution and maintaining those relationships in aggregate would be beneficial at a societal level (your corrosive argument). I still don't think that gets us to the point we can say someone is wrong for distancing from their MAGA uncle.

 

[rowsdower88]

Uncles are family. Not friends.

Are you not friends with your family?

 

[PainInTheAnes]

It's telling you just say I'm living in a "dark place" instead of actually making an argument against mine.

Conservatives are upset their kids/friends/family don't want to be around them because of their vote. That's, in general, a morally neutral decision those kids are making.

You don't have to associate with people if you don't want to.

You consider flexing your family bonds and potentially breaking them over this stuff morally neutral?

Again, I have question the depth of your family and personal relationships if you seriously believe this.

I think the people who choose to do this are acting like immature 15 year olds, and we’ll just have to disagree on this topic I suppose.

The liberal thought pattern of cutting out things that “don’t spark joy” is so pathetic. Whatever happened to occasionally forcing yourself into some things you may not like 100% and feeling good about your willpower? Things that hold deeper importance to morally normal people, like family and close friendships. Dispensing with that over political leanings is pathetic.

When I’m nice to someone who has opinions I disagree with I feel really good about myself, not depressed.

 

[rowsdower88]

You consider flexing your family bonds and potentially breaking them over this stuff morally neutral?

Again, I have question the depth of your family and personal relationships if you seriously believe this.

I think the people who choose to do this are acting like immature 15 year olds, and we’ll just have to disagree on this topic I suppose.

The liberal thought pattern of cutting out things that “don’t spark joy” is so pathetic. Whatever happened to occasionally forcing yourself into some things you may not like 100% and feeling good about your willpower? Things that hold deeper importance to morally normal people, like family and close friendships. Dispensing with that over political leanings is pathetic.

When I’m nice to someone who has opinions I disagree with I feel really good about myself, not depressed.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure my sister voted for Trump and we're on great terms. This doesn't have to do with my personal family. I can speculate about other people's relationships without implying anything about my own.

It might be pathetic to you, but that doesn't make it wrong IMO. You don't have to associate with people if you don't want to, including friends and family.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

You consider flexing your family bonds and potentially breaking them over this stuff morally neutral?

Again, I have question the depth of your family and personal relationships if you seriously believe this.

I think the people who choose to do this are acting like immature 15 year olds, and we’ll just have to disagree on this topic I suppose.

The liberal thought pattern of cutting out things that “don’t spark joy” is so pathetic. Whatever happened to occasionally forcing yourself into some things you may not like 100% and feeling good about your willpower? Things that hold deeper importance to morally normal people, like family and close friendships. Dispensing with that over political leanings is pathetic.

When I’m nice to someone who has opinions I disagree with I feel really good about myself, not depressed.

I think it depends.

If you're distancing yourself from family members who you previously had a good relationship with just based on who they voted for then I think you're being ridiculous.

However, there are myriad examples of family members constantly rubbing the differences in each other's faces and being able to talk about nothing but politics. If that's the case, I don't think putting some distance is necessarily a bad thing.

Believe it or not, I tend to lean more conservative. Generally speaking. My oldest friend in the world is incredibly liberal - she's a full-on Bernie bro and sometimes even wants to go further than he does. We don't usually talk politics, but when we do it's very respectful and it ends with us realizing that the other person is just in a different place. But, if one of us constantly brought up politics and refused to talk about anything else, I don't think the friendship would last.

 

[Gern Blansten]

Are you not friends with your family?

My family is family. When you introduce your uncle to someone, do you say, “I’d like you to meet my friend” or do you say “This is my Uncle Bob?”

 

[DocMcCoy]

It absolutely is a slippery slope argument. I think you're changing the hypothetical to physical harm.

"Is it alright to physically harm or endanger someone who disagrees with you politically?"

I don't think nearly as many Dems or MAGA would agree with that. For me at least, you're getting into definite morally wrong actions.

I disagree with that FEMA operative as much as I disagree with this sheriff.

Edit: If we changed the hypothetical to something like: "Distancing yourself from your MAGA relative could predictably cause emotional harm enough to push them into depression and increase their suicide risk, is it morally wrong to do that?" Then we're getting closer to what I described as an exception for dependents. In that case you probably have some obligation to reduce that dependence.

Ohio sheriff's lieutenant states 'I will not help you' to Harris voters on social media

Some posts had been shared more than 250,000 times and another suggested people would need to "provide proof of who you voted for" if they wanted his help.

wpde.com

Sheriff is an elected position, in which a lieutenant said he wouldn’t help Harris voters in the hypothetical “end of days”. A fema supervisor caused actual harm to people. This is as much a false equivalence as my example is a “slippery slope”.

 

[rowsdower88]

My family is family. When you introduce your uncle to someone, do you say, “I’d like you to meet my friend” or do you say “This is my Uncle Bob?”

Your argument is semantic.

People, in general, are better friends with their family than others.

You're more reluctant to distance yourself from family than friends, that doesn't mean others can't have a different calculation.

Sheriff is an elected position. This is as much a false equivalence as my example is a “slippery slope”.

The point is, in both cases the person in question is threatening physical harm or endangerment from their position of power over political differences. They're both morally wrong IMO.

The notion that it's politically easier to remove a Sherriff's lieutenant than a FEMA official doesn't change that.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Your argument is semantic.

People, in general, are better friends with their family than others.

You're more reluctant to distance yourself from family than friends, that doesn't mean others can't have a different calculation.



The point is, in both cases the person in question is threatening physical harm or endangerment from their position of power over political differences. They're both morally wrong IMO.

The notion that it's politically easier to remove a Sherriff's lieutenant than a FEMA official doesn't change that.

It’s not semantics. FEMA caused actual harm. The sheriffs office made a post that they wouldn’t help Harris voters in a theoretical “end of days”.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

It’s not semantics. FEMA caused actual harm. The sheriffs office made a post that they wouldn’t help Harris voters in a theoretical “end of days”.

Cool, let's fire them both.

 

[rowsdower88]

It’s not semantics. FEMA caused actual harm. The sheriffs office made a post that they wouldn’t help Harris voters in a theoretical “end of days”.

Reread my post, I didn't say your argument was semantics.

Fire them both.

Why do you want to give the lieutenant the benefit of the doubt? He made multiple posts about not helping Harris voters. I didn't see any "end of days" messaging in the news article, but even if that was the case do we really want a lieutenant threatening that? The threats from the FEMA official and the Sherrif are bad enough.

Edit: I see where you're getting the "end of days" message. I absolutely don't think that somehow makes his comments not-terrible.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Reread my post, I didn't say your argument was semantics.

Fire them both.

Why do you want to give the sherrif the benefit of the doubt? He made multiple posts about not helping Harris voters. I didn't see any "end of days" messaging in the news article, but even if that was the case do we really want a Sherrif threatening that? The threats from the FEMA official and the Sherrif are bad enough.

I’m not against firing both! I’m pointing out your example is a false equivalence because from a consequentialist stand point, FEMA caused ACTUAL harm. The sheriff’s office lieutenant made some vague Trumpy posts, with no evidence that Harris voters suffered, or that the sheriffs office wasn’t doing its job.

“Clark County Sheriff’s Office Lt. John Rodgers made several comments in since-deleted Facebook posts viewed by WHIOstating "I am sorry. If you support the Democrat Party I will not help you" and "The problem is that I know which of you supports the Democratic Party and I will not help you survive the end of days."

 

[PainInTheAnes]

Like I said, I'm pretty sure my sister voted for Trump and we're on great terms. This doesn't have to do with my personal family. I can speculate about other people's relationships without implying anything about my own.

It might be pathetic to you, but that doesn't make it wrong IMO. You don't have to associate with people if you don't want to, including friends and family.

Moral relativism has its supporters for sure. I just think it’s a tough way to live life, and pretty detrimental for most people’s mental well being.

Sometimes having hard lines on social conventions, family ties, and other concrete issues helps people forge strong identities. Strong sense of identity is associated with emotional resilience and less depression.

I think most people in America reject moral relativism, postmodernism, and solipsism, certainly more than other western countries

 

[Southpaw]

It's telling you just say I'm living in a "dark place" instead of actually making an argument against mine.

Conservatives are upset their kids/friends/family don't want to be around them because of their vote. That's, in general, a morally neutral decision those kids are making.

You don't have to associate with people if you don't want to.

He should just call you a soyboy or say his T levels are off the charts relative to yours. That’s the messaging these days and what gets votes.

 

[rowsdower88]

I’m not against firing both! I’m pointing out your example is a false equivalence because from a consequentialist stand point, FEMA caused ACTUAL harm. The sheriff’s office lieutenant made some vague Trumpy posts, with no evidence that Harris voters suffered, or that the sheriffs office wasn’t doing its job.

“Clark County Sheriff’s Office Lt. John Rodgers made several comments in since-deleted Facebook posts viewed by WHIOstating "I am sorry. If you support the Democrat Party I will not help you" and "The problem is that I know which of you supports the Democratic Party and I will not help you survive the end of days."

If I said or implied the FEMA bureaucrat and the Lieutenant Sherrif were morally equivalent, I was mistaken.

I was trying to demonstrate a comparable example of someone on the right threatening harm over political beliefs (even if that harm never actually transpired). Believe it or not, it wouldn't take long for me to find a morally equivalent example to the FEMA bureaucrat.

 

[rowsdower88]

Moral relativism has its supporters for sure. I just think it’s a tough way to live life, and pretty detrimental for most people’s mental well being.

Sometimes having hard lines on social conventions, family ties, and other concrete issues helps people forge strong identities. Strong sense of identity is associated with emotional resilience and less depression.

I think most people in America reject moral relativism, postmodernism, and solipsism, certainly more than other western countries

There are probably some people who believe in objective morality who distance themselves from their families over political differences.

I don't think a belief in objective morality necessarily protects from that, but I could be wrong.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

There are probably some people who believe in objective morality who distance themselves from their families over political differences.

I don't think a belief in objective morality necessarily protects from that, but I could be wrong.

I just disagree with this. There is almost no objective morality when it comes to political leanings in modern discussions. If something like propaganda influencing someone less intelligent makes that less intelligent person morally wrong to someone, then that someone does not believe in objective morality in my view. We don’t live in the 1910s or 1930s anymore where politics meant life and death for large groups of people. America is the most tolerant, accepting, and multicultural society in human history, and that didn’t and won’t change at all under Donald trump (name another country if you disagree).

To me it’s morally neutral whoever you vote for. The fact that it can be kept secret (because it is not a direct effect on someone else) means it’s morally neutral. If what you’re saying is true then just knowing someone’s vote is enough to dissociate with them, and that’s the stupid, destructive message that the Democratic Party has been pushing the last 2 weeks.

Objectively, if you dissociate from people you claim to have once loved over different opinions on temporary political trifles and you can’t stop being a baby about differences of opinion, you are morally wrong. There I said it. Love is stronger than any ******* modern political opinion in history.

 

[Splenda88]

Lol.

The "4B Movement" — AKA Women Refusing To Have Sex, Marry, Or Birth Children With Men — Is Going Viral For Obvious Reasons

It's been a tough week for women.

www.yahoo.com

 

[crna2006]

Wait, people don’t like being called deplorables, nazis, garbage, racist, misogynistic? Why did it take so long for your side to figure that out? Actually, I don’t think they have figured it out, based on some of the news media and celebrity comments I’ve seen.

I love being called a Marxist communist, facist,extremist.

 

[crna2006]

Because half (actually quite a bit less than half) have believed the lies that they have been told by media. More are waking up, though. The other half actually listen for themselves and form their own opinion. The more people tell me they hate him and that I’m a racist misogynist for supporting him, the more I have gravitated towards him. The rest of the country moved in a similar direction. The lies became unsustainable and got exposed on Twitter and Joe Rogan. The mental illness of his detractors has been on full display with Hollywood, legacy media, Ivy League schools, and the soft democrats who now need legos, cookies, and milk.

Oh the electors plot lie?
Oh you mean believing the lie about the stolen election.

 

[rowsdower88]

I just disagree with this. There is almost no objective morality when it comes to political leanings in modern discussions. If something like propaganda influencing someone less intelligent makes that less intelligent person morally wrong to someone, then that someone does not believe in objective morality in my view. We don’t live in the 1910s or 1930s anymore where politics meant life and death for large groups of people. America is the most tolerant, accepting, and multicultural society in human history, and that didn’t and won’t change at all under Donald trump (name another country if you disagree).

To me it’s morally neutral whoever you vote for. The fact that it can be kept secret (because it is not a direct effect on someone else) means it’s morally neutral. If what you’re saying is true then just knowing someone’s vote is enough to dissociate with them, and that’s the stupid, destructive message that the Democratic Party has been pushing the last 2 weeks.

Objectively, if you dissociate from people you claim to have once loved over different opinions on temporary political trifles and you can’t stop being a baby about differences of opinion, you are morally wrong. There I said it. Love is stronger than any ******* modern political opinion in history.

I haven't taken a survey of people who claim to have an objective morality nor have I seen such a survey, so I don't actually know.

If you believe the Commandment: "Honor thy father and thy mother" is objectively morally true, then you're probably less likely to distance yourself from your father and mother. I buy that, but I wouldn't say someone who has a less committed attitude towards the commandments is morally wrong.

No disagreement on America being the best.

Voting is not kept secret because your vote is a morally neutral decision. Your vote, minutely, impacts a lot of people. Impacting a lot of people isn't morally neutral. Your vote also says a lot about you as a person, whether you like it or not. What your priorities are, which groups should benefit or be disenfranchised etc... We're operating under the assumption that these family members are sharing their votes with each other right?

I'm not saying at all that my messaging on this is good or that Dems messaging is good. I'm an overbearing elitist to others.

I really think you're doing it a disservice by calling it "temporary political trifles". Trump and his policies have impacted the lives of many people negatively, regardless of whether or not someone thinks on balance he is the lesser of two evils.

 

[DocMcCoy]

If I said or implied the FEMA bureaucrat and the Lieutenant Sherrif were morally equivalent, I was mistaken.

I was trying to demonstrate a comparable example of someone on the right threatening harm over political beliefs (even if that harm never actually transpired). Believe it or not, it wouldn't take long for me to find a morally equivalent example to the FEMA bureaucrat.

Not directed at you personally, but
the false balance augment has been screamed from the rooftops since 2016. So let’s compare apples to apples.

 

[Gern Blansten]

I love being called a Marxist communist, facist,extremist.

That’s cool, I guess.

 

[Gern Blansten]

Lol.

The "4B Movement" — AKA Women Refusing To Have Sex, Marry, Or Birth Children With Men — Is Going Viral For Obvious Reasons

It's been a tough week for women.

www.yahoo.com

I’ve seen the ones endorsing this. They are doing the men a great service.

 

[Splenda88]

I’ve seen the ones endorsing this. They are doing the men a great service.

Speak for yourself, my friend.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

I haven't taken a survey of people who claim to have an objective morality nor have I seen such a survey, so I don't actually know.

If you believe the Commandment: "Honor thy father and thy mother" is objectively morally true, then you're probably less likely to distance yourself from your father and mother. I buy that, but I wouldn't say someone who has a less committed attitude towards the commandments is morally wrong.

No disagreement on America being the best.

Voting is not kept secret because your vote is a morally neutral decision. Your vote, minutely, impacts a lot of people. Impacting a lot of people isn't morally neutral. Your vote also says a lot about you as a person, whether you like it or not. What your priorities are, which groups should benefit or be disenfranchised etc... We're operating under the assumption that these family members are sharing their votes with each other right?

I'm not saying at all that my messaging on this is good or that Dems messaging is good. I'm an overbearing elitist to others.

I really think you're doing it a disservice by calling it "temporary political trifles". Trump and his policies have impacted the lives of many people negatively, regardless of whether or not someone thinks on balance he is the lesser of two evils.

I guess I just vehemently disagree with voting telling you anything significant about someone.

What does a trump vote tell you about a doctor/nurse who travels to other countries in their spare time to take care of people in refugee camps? What does a trump vote tell you about someone who runs a small business that fixes people’s toilets in a town when their world stops because there’s 3 inches of water in their bedroom? What does a trump vote tell you about a guy who gives people hope by volunteering at his church in a community that is poor and doesn’t have much to hang on to?

I could go on about the trump voters I’ve met, but they’re pretty darn good people for the most part. They grow my food, they keep me safe at night, they fix my car, they built my house, they take care of my wife when she needs surgery.

I think a vote tells you who a person voted for, and almost nothing else about them. To suggest otherwise is a pretty ignorant and shortsighted way to pre judge 73 million people, aka the majority of your voting countrymen. But that’s just one man’s opinion.

 

[Gern Blansten]

Speak for yourself, my friend.

Best of luck to you. I hope they change their mind so you can date one again. But, if they are part of this movement, the chance of crazy is sky high. The chance of purple or green hair is just as high. Watch for the crazy eyes. The eyes give it away every time.

 

[Splenda88]

Best of luck to you. I hope they change their mind so you can date one again. But, if they are part of this movement, the chance of crazy is sky high. The chance of purple or green hair is just as high. Watch for the crazy eyes. The eyes give it away every time.

I am sorry man. I have to have sex. No other way to put it.

 

[PainInTheAnes]

I am sorry man. I have to have sex. No other way to put it.

Give it time. The old dog dies eventually.

 

[rowsdower88]

I guess I just vehemently disagree with voting telling you anything significant about someone.

What does a trump vote tell you about a doctor/nurse who travels to other countries in their spare time to take care of people in refugee camps? What does a trump vote tell you about someone who runs a small business that fixes people’s toilets in a town when their world stops because there’s 3 inches of water in their bedroom? What does a trump vote tell you about a guy who gives people hope by volunteering at his church in a community that is poor and doesn’t have much to hang on to?

I could go on about the trump voters I’ve met, but they’re pretty darn good people for the most part. They grow my food, they keep me safe at night, they fix my car, they built my house, they take care of my wife when she needs surgery.

I think a vote tells you who a person voted for, and almost nothing else about them. To suggest otherwise is a pretty ignorant and shortsighted way to pre judge 73 million people, aka the majority of your voting countrymen. But that’s just one man’s opinion.

I'm sure many are good people, but you're arguing against a totalizing argument I never made. I never said a person's whole character can be determined by their vote.

All I will say is that it says something about you.

That something can be enough for a lot of people.

Trump voters should recognize that if maintaining personal relationships with politically distant relatives is important to them. You're arguing this distancing is entirely one sided, but Trumpers are also making a decision as well. They have agency.

Look at it this way: A Trump voter is telling these (mercurial to you) relatives that his/her vote is more important than maintaining a good relationship.