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rowsdower88 said:
Don't know if the affair is real or not, but Drudge Report (a reliably conservative outlet) consistently depicts Trump as they would any Democrat.

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LOL

It's certainly on brand for him to cheat on another wife in the middle of a presidential campaign.

And then there's the ongoing Loomer - MTG catfight. You know you're a **** person if even Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling you "appalling and extremely racist" ...

What a time to be alive.
 
pgg said:
LOL

It's certainly on brand for him to cheat on another wife in the middle of a presidential campaign.

And then there's ongoing Loomer - MTG catfight. You know you're a **** person if even Marjorie Taylor Greene is calling you "appalling and extremely racist" ...

What a time to be alive.
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Trump is consisetent at least. Every single time I think he can’t sink any lower or more disgraceful he proves me wrong.
 
nimbus said:
Exactly. Most early Tesla buyers leaned left. The current buyers may still lean left.
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You can count on one hand the number of Telsas at a MAGA rally. That is, the few brave enough to drive it to MAGA rally.
 
rowsdower88 said:
He is a billionaire who has harmed the brand value of at least two of his companies in the interests of his political beliefs (Tesla and X).

qz.com

See X's value plummet 72% in one chart

Elon Musk's X, formerly known as Twitter, is now worth just $12.5 billion
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@pgg said it best. When you have FU money, sometimes you get to say FU. Personally, I don't get it. I never understood why any business person/entertainer would want to take public political positions that might alienate any customer/fans at all. But, we see it more and more. Ben n Jerry's, Dick's Sporting Goods, Target, Chick-fil-A, Penzey's Spice, to name a few.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
@pgg said it best. When you have FU money, sometimes you get to say FU. Personally, I don't get it. I never understood why any business person/entertainer would want to take public political positions that might alienate any customer/fans at all. But, we see it more and more. Ben n Jerry's, Dick's Sporting Goods, Target, Chick-fil-A, Penzey's Spice, to name a few.
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No disagreement really. I was just adding Elon as someone who isn't bothered by potential harms to his brand when he ties himself to politics/politicians. The effects can be complex, remember Goya?

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Net sales jumped 22% two weeks after a social media backlash triggered by Robert Unanue’s comments about the former president, analysis from Cornell researchers found.
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pgg said:
Her fan base is mostly young women and skews heavily toward Democrat. I doubt she's alienating many of them.
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The hell she hasn't alienated diehard Swifties. I'm done, no more rolling up the car windows and screaming mad crazy lyrics like this!! :

"Just think, while you've been gettin' down and out about the liars
And the dirty, dirty cheats of the world
You could've been gettin' down to this sick beat!"
😂😂
 
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We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
"Just think, while you've been gettin' down and out about the liars
And the dirty, dirty cheats of the world
You could've been gettin' down to this sick beat!"
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Come to think of it, was she directing these words to pgg to drop the hate and instead get down in Swiftyland?? 🤔🤔
 
Arch Guillotti said:
Trump is consisetent at least. Every single time I think he can’t sink any lower or more disgraceful he proves me wrong.
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In case people don't know the small print presidential clause in their contract this is required behavior to run for president. Mr Kamala Harris and sweet Jill Biden both were banging like high school kids outside of their pretend marriages, therefore passing this requirement making their current "mates" eligible. And yes, I do use the word "mate" very loosely here.
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
In case people don't know the small print presidential clause in their contract this is required behavior to run for president. Mr Kamala Harris and sweet Jill Biden both were banging like high school kids outside of their pretend marriages, therefore passing this requirement making their current "mates" eligible. And yes, I do use the word "mate" very loosely here.
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I don't know what any of that means
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
In case people don't know the small print presidential clause in their contract this is required behavior to run for president. Mr Kamala Harris and sweet Jill Biden both were banging like high school kids outside of their pretend marriages, therefore passing this requirement making their current "mates" eligible. And yes, I do use the word "mate" very loosely here.
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As gern would say lol “wut”
 
All of this within the past couple days in response to a completely made up, fictional story about Haitian immigrants stealing and eating pets, a story Trump+Vance repeatedly continue to fuel daily with their statements.



 
Ezekiel2517 said:
All of this within the past couple days in response to a completely made up, fictional story about Haitian immigrants stealing and eating pets, a story Trump+Vance repeatedly continue to fuel daily with their statements.
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Incredible that this all started with a Facebook post from some idiot who now says she heard it "from a friend, who heard it from another friend, who heard it from an acquaintance" ...

And the cult just ate it up.

GassmanMD said:
As long as they acknowledge it’s happening, I’ve done my job.
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You still doing your job, or willing to admit you got duped?
 
pgg said:
Incredible that this all started with a Facebook post from some idiot who now says she heard it "from a friend, who heard it from another friend, who heard it from an acquaintance" ...

And the cult just ate it up.



You still doing your job, or willing to admit you got duped?
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pgg said:
You still doing your job, or willing to admit you got duped?
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It's not like we got duped into thinking Haitian immigrants were making love to living room sofas they way you all got duped into thinking JD Vance was doing the wild couch dance, right? 🤷‍♂️

Happens to the best of us
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
It's not like we got duped into thinking Haitian immigrants were making love to living room sofas they way you all got duped into thinking JD Vance was doing the wild couch dance, right? 🤷‍♂️

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Perhaps there is not equivalency here.

A single guy using a couch as a sex aid is different than claims leading to aggression towards a minority in a small city
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
It's not like we got duped into thinking Haitian immigrants were making love to living room sofas they way you all got duped into thinking JD Vance was doing the wild couch dance, right? 🤷‍♂️

Happens to the best of us
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Wait, I must have missed the part of the debate when Kamala talked about couches??

Or was there an uptick in violence against couches?

C'mon, is that the best you have? You can do better than that can't you?
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
It's not like we got duped into thinking Haitian immigrants were making love to living room sofas they way you all got duped into thinking JD Vance was doing the wild couch dance, right? 🤷‍♂️

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No one really believed that. It was just a funny way to troll that weirdo.

Admit it, Walz mocking Vance by wondering "if he's willing to get off the couch" and debate him was funny.
 
Pretty sure it was @emergentmd who linked the ‘Venezualan gangs taking over apartment complex’ a week or so ago. I guess that’s now also debunked. The Republican mayor of the city has denied reports. Elon posted on X something about Venezuelans hijacking school buses which MAGA peddled. Also false. Once again, all playing on the xenophobia of MAGA. Because it’s not enough to discuss the border problems for what they are. We have to make people FEARFUL and AFRAID by making up stories and peddling lies.
 
Cath Up said:
Perhaps there is not equivalency here.

A single guy using a couch as a sex aid is different than claims leading to aggression towards a minority in a small city
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JD Vance ‘couch’ was obviously a joke. Of course no one believed it. However, what is true is that if Trump wins, Vance becomes next in line after what, 18 months of political experience? Meanwhile, Kamala as state AG, US Senator, VPOTUS is a ‘DEI placement’. Nothing but racism and sexism from MAGA.
 
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Lmao. "Did they give Comrade Kamala the questions?"

Who could have predicted there would be a question on the economy? Or abortion? What a tactical advantage she MUST have had.

"Kamala... just so you know... there's gonna be a question on immigration. There's no way Trump will be prepared for it!"

If you won the debate so decidedly, how could it not be to your advantage to debate again?
 
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Southpaw said:
Pretty sure it was @emergentmd who linked the ‘Venezualan gangs taking over apartment complex’ a week or so ago. I guess that’s now also debunked. The Republican mayor of the city has denied reports. Elon posted on X something about Venezuelans hijacking school buses which MAGA peddled. Also false. Once again, all playing on the xenophobia of MAGA. Because it’s not enough to discuss the border problems for what they are. We have to make people FEARFUL and AFRAID by making up stories and peddling lies.
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Oh come on.

That's totally the same kind of thing as laughing at a politician because someone made a joke about him playing with a sofa as a teenager.

Cheeky shenanigans!
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
It's not like we got duped into thinking Haitian immigrants were making love to living room sofas they way you all got duped into thinking JD Vance was doing the wild couch dance, right? 🤷‍♂️

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I’d only feel bad about making those jokes if Vance got banned from Galleria Furniture

No one is going to offer a $5,000 bounty for video proof of Vance making love to a couch either.
 
rowsdower88 said:
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Lmao. "Did they give Comrade Kamala the questions?"

Who could have predicted there would be a question on the economy? Or abortion? What a tactical advantage she MUST have had.

"Kamala... just so you know... there's gonna be a question on immigration. There's no way Trump will be prepared for it!"

If you won the debate so decidedly, how could it not be to your advantage to debate again?
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He “won” that debate worse than he “won” the past election.

I have never previously been impressed by Kamala Harris, but she mopped the floor with him.

He sounded like an angry old fool on a rant. He should have closed with “get off my lawn”.
 
rowsdower88 said:
If you won the debate so decidedly, how could it not be to your advantage to debate again?
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As I have stated before, I believe that Harris performed much better in the debate. However, the argument above doesn’t really make sense. If a team just won the Super Bowl and the losing team suggests an immediate rematch, it would make zero sense for the winner to consider that. The winner rarely wants a rematch so I’m not sure why Harris immediately asked for one. If she won, which I believe she did, she has nothing to gain from a rematch.
 
Gern Blansten said:
As I have stated before, I believe that Harris performed much better in the debate. However, the argument above doesn’t really make sense. If a team just won the Super Bowl and the losing team suggests an immediate rematch, it would make zero sense for the winner to consider that. The winner rarely wants a rematch so I’m not sure why Harris immediately asked for one. If she won, which I believe she did, she has nothing to gain from a rematch.
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Because she (her campaign) believes she can beat Trump again.

The clear analogy is if you get rewarded handsomely by beating an opponent that is not at your level, you will want to go against that person again.

They make a clear and simple calculation. Trump has probably won 1 of his 7 or 8 presidential debates. And the one he won was against someone with clear evidence of cognitive decline.

I rewatched both debates Trump vs. Biden/Harris. He performed marginally better in the one against Biden, but Biden was so bad; therefore, people did not focus on Trump's performance at all.

The dems make a simple calculation. If Harris beat him in a debate mid October, he will have no chance to recover because we will be so close to election day. I think Trump team is wise not accepting another debate.

Again, since she has the upper hand right now (Trump needs the debate more than she does), her campaign will likely ask for debate rules that are in her favor.
 
Bryan O’Blivion said:
He “won” that debate worse than he “won” the past election.

I have never previously been impressed by Kamala Harris, but she mopped the floor with him.

He sounded like an angry old fool on a rant. He should have closed with “get off my lawn”.
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She knew how to trigger Trump. He did sound like one long never ending rant. It's a shame because Trunk has the best moments in the debate that were completely lost. He'd drop a great line, but truthfully I was scrolling through my phone by that point and wasn't paying close attention to the constant ranting. It seemed more like the stereo playing as background noise

Kamala on the other hand won by Trump losing and offered nothing. I can't think of anything that stood out other than her rehearsed facial expressions for a week. Ok, that should help the country in the next crisis. Kamala continues to talk about turning the page for a brighter future with joy and opportunity. A lot of words that say nothing, particularly when Biden and Harris are the current page to be turned.

America got the floor mopped by whoever eventually wins this sham.
 
Gern Blansten said:
As I have stated before, I believe that Harris performed much better in the debate. However, the argument above doesn’t really make sense. If a team just won the Super Bowl and the losing team suggests an immediate rematch, it would make zero sense for the winner to consider that. The winner rarely wants a rematch so I’m not sure why Harris immediately asked for one. If she won, which I believe she did, she has nothing to gain from a rematch.
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What? You think there's no value to personally dunking on your opponent???
 
Gern Blansten said:
As I have stated before, I believe that Harris performed much better in the debate. However, the argument above doesn’t really make sense. If a team just won the Super Bowl and the losing team suggests an immediate rematch, it would make zero sense for the winner to consider that. The winner rarely wants a rematch so I’m not sure why Harris immediately asked for one. If she won, which I believe she did, she has nothing to gain from a rematch.
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I'm speculating they saw how easy Trump was to rattle and think it will be easier next time. The Harris team also knows they didn't offer anything constructive other than making Trump sound like angry Grandpa, so with that out of the way maybe next time they figure they'll take a risk and actually talk about substance?
 
rowsdower88 said:
What? You think there's no value to personally dunking on your opponent???
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When a contest occurs (sporting event, debate, etc.), it would be considered unusual for the winner of the contest to immediately ask for a rematch. The winner has already accomplished what they set out to do. There is nothing left to gain so the risk to benefit equation shifts. Little benefit and mostly risk (even if they consider that risk to be low).
 
We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes said:
She knew how to trigger Trump. He did sound like one long never ending rant. It's a shame because Trunk has the best moments in the debate that were completely lost. He'd drop a great line, but truthfully I was scrolling through my phone by that point and wasn't paying close attention to the constant ranting. It seemed more like the stereo playing as background noise

Kamala on the other hand won by Trump losing and offered nothing. I can't think of anything that stood out other than her rehearsed facial expressions for a week. Ok, that should help the country in the next crisis. Kamala continues to talk about turning the page for a brighter future with joy and opportunity. A lot of words that say nothing, particularly when Biden and Harris are the current page to be turned.

America got the floor mopped by whoever eventually wins this sham.
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Not fair to say she has not offered anything.

I can say a few things I know about her now.

25k down payment to help with housing. Housing subsidies, tax break for builder to build affordable homes

50k tax break for starter

She has no answer for inflation because it's a nuance answer. Inflation at 2.9% now is ok. She can't say she wants price to decrease because it will be deflation... not good for the economy. She can make a play for wage increase that will help with prices on consume goods. But you can't put that in a sound bite.

Even Trump when they ask him about affordability, his answer is ALWAYS "drill baby drill"

For the border, she said she will sign the border bill in front of congress. The border patrol union endorsed that bill


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Gern Blansten said:
When a contest occurs (sporting event, debate, etc.), it would be considered unusual for the winner of the contest to immediately ask for a rematch. The winner has already accomplished what they set out to do. There is nothing left to gain so the risk to benefit equation shifts. Little benefit and mostly risk (even if they consider that risk to be low).
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You are wrong... more benefit for her in comparison to Trump.
 
Gern Blansten said:
As I have stated before, I believe that Harris performed much better in the debate. However, the argument above doesn’t really make sense. If a team just won the Super Bowl and the losing team suggests an immediate rematch, it would make zero sense for the winner to consider that. The winner rarely wants a rematch so I’m not sure why Harris immediately asked for one. If she won, which I believe she did, she has nothing to gain from a rematch.
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Likely a combination of factors.

She makes him look bad because he refuses to debate her. If she refused, then she would look bad. She may not even want to risk debating him, but she has the cards so she can bluff

If he does agree, she would likely mop the floor with him again. However, there is a risk that he does slightly better or she makes an error and he gains some momentum.

Saying it's a rematch is just him trying to spin in. Doesn't work that well with those who actually saw the debate.
 
Splenda88 said:
You are wrong... more benefit for her in comparison to Trump.
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In comparison to Trump was not what was being discussed. I definitely think he should avoid a rematch. It already hurt him and his chances of winning a rematch are likely low.
My point is that Harris has little to gain and about a 15-20% chance (my guess) of making a huge error in a debate.
If Ali just won the heavyweight championship, would he be saying the next day, “Let’s do it again in a month?”
If Evel Knievel just successfully jumped over 20 buses on a motorcycle, you think he would want to immediately repeat the exact same stunt a month later?
If the Patriots just won the Super Bowl, do you think they should ask to play the game over a month later?
The loser asks for the rematch. However, in this case, Trump knows a rematch will likely have the same results and he feels he is better off taking his chances without another debate, which I think most agree is the right choice for him. Similarly, Harris has little to gain from another debate. It would be unlikely to convince anyone who wasn’t already convinced by the first debate. Therefore, I am of the opinion that it would be foolish of her to seek another debate. I suspect she doesn’t really want one anyway but she sees it as an opportunity to make it Trump’s decision to not debate again, to give the appearance that he is afraid. That could be a smart move, but if he suddenly was willing, she would be foolish to go through with it, in my opinion.
 
Gern Blansten said:
In comparison to Trump was not what was being discussed. I definitely think he should avoid a rematch. It already hurt him and his chances of winning a rematch are likely low.
My point is that Harris has little to gain and about a 15-20% chance (my guess) of making a huge error in a debate.
If Ali just won the heavyweight championship, would he be saying the next day, “Let’s do it again in a month?”
If Evel Knievel just successfully jumped over 20 buses on a motorcycle, you think he would want to immediately repeat the exact same stunt a month later?
If the Patriots just won the Super Bowl, do you think they should ask to play the game over a month later?
The loser asks for the rematch. However, in this case, Trump knows a rematch will likely have the same results and he feels he is better off taking his chances without another debate, which I think most agree is the right choice for him. Similarly, Harris has little to gain from another debate. It would be unlikely to convince anyone who wasn’t already convinced by the first debate. Therefore, I am of the opinion that it would be foolish of her to seek another debate. I suspect she doesn’t really want one anyway but she sees it as an opportunity to make it Trump’s decision to not debate again, to give the appearance that he is afraid. That could be a smart move, but if he suddenly was willing, she would be foolish to go through with it, in my opinion.
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All I can say, the election is close and I think it is still Trump's to lose given the electoral college advantage the republicans have. She might want to go for a knock out.
 
Splenda88 said:
All I can say, the election is close and I think it is still Trump's to lose given the electoral college advantage the republicans have. She might want to go for a knock out.
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Perhaps you’re correct. I’m just not sure she’s a debater capable of a knockout. She seems to be more of a make it through all of the rounds without taking too many big hits and then win by decision type of debater.
 
Gern Blansten said:
In comparison to Trump was not what was being discussed. I definitely think he should avoid a rematch. It already hurt him and his chances of winning a rematch are likely low.
My point is that Harris has little to gain and about a 15-20% chance (my guess) of making a huge error in a debate.
If Ali just won the heavyweight championship, would he be saying the next day, “Let’s do it again in a month?”
If Evel Knievel just successfully jumped over 20 buses on a motorcycle, you think he would want to immediately repeat the exact same stunt a month later?
If the Patriots just won the Super Bowl, do you think they should ask to play the game over a month later?
The loser asks for the rematch. However, in this case, Trump knows a rematch will likely have the same results and he feels he is better off taking his chances without another debate, which I think most agree is the right choice for him. Similarly, Harris has little to gain from another debate. It would be unlikely to convince anyone who wasn’t already convinced by the first debate. Therefore, I am of the opinion that it would be foolish of her to seek another debate. I suspect she doesn’t really want one anyway but she sees it as an opportunity to make it Trump’s decision to not debate again, to give the appearance that he is afraid. That could be a smart move, but if he suddenly was willing, she would be foolish to go through with it, in my opinion.
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Agree with most all of your thinking here, except that it can't be more risk than benefit for both candidates. Winning and losing is a zero sum gain. If one is likely to have more downside than the other has to have more upside. Even if both candidates suck at the next debate so bad that millions of their voters decide to be election no shows, one will have less no shows than the other and will therefore have "won" the debate.

Also Trump is true narcissist. I am sure at the most he might say he could do a little better, but without a doubt he thinks he just absolutely crushed it.
 
Gern Blansten said:
When a contest occurs (sporting event, debate, etc.), it would be considered unusual for the winner of the contest to immediately ask for a rematch. The winner has already accomplished what they set out to do. There is nothing left to gain so the risk to benefit equation shifts. Little benefit and mostly risk (even if they consider that risk to be low).
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The analogy can only be stretched so far. You're operating under the false assumption that there is only one purpose to a debate: determining the winner and loser. Debates can serve any number of purposes.

The winner of a debate can use footage from that debate to show how inept and extreme their opponent is as the case may be. If I was Harris, I would be including that "eating cats and dogs" stuff in a bunch of campaign ads going forward.

I would argue there is significantly more benefit than risk for Harris to debate Trump again, with the opposite being true for Trump. But Trump is in his own reality where he won the debate (overwhelmingly) and somehow doesn't want to dunk on his opponent again. Doesn't make sense to me.
 
rowsdower88 said:
The analogy can only be stretched so far. You're operating under the false assumption that there is only one purpose to a debate: determining the winner and loser. Debates can serve any number of purposes.

The winner of a debate can use footage from that debate to show how inept and extreme their opponent is as the case may be. If I was Harris, I would be including that "eating cats and dogs" stuff in a bunch of campaign ads going forward.

I would argue there is significantly more benefit than risk for Harris to debate Trump again, with the opposite being true for Trump. But Trump is in his own reality where he won the debate (overwhelmingly) and somehow doesn't want to dunk on his opponent again. Doesn't make sense to me.
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I understand your point and you may be correct. I just disagree that she has enough to potentially gain to warrant another debate.
 
UscGhost said:
Likely a combination of factors.

She makes him look bad because he refuses to debate her. If she refused, then she would look bad. She may not even want to risk debating him, but she has the cards so she can bluff

If he does agree, she would likely mop the floor with him again. However, there is a risk that he does slightly better or she makes an error and he gains some momentum.

Saying it's a rematch is just him trying to spin in. Doesn't work that well with those who actually saw the debate.
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Gern Blansten said:
Perhaps you’re correct. I’m just not sure she’s a debater capable of a knockout. She seems to be more of a make it through all of the rounds without taking too many big hits and then win by decision type of debater.
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It's tough. Not many debaters are so charismatic that they can knockout the other.

Usually it's just someone performs very poorly.
 
pgg said:
Vance admits he knew the cats and dogs thing was a lie.

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

All lies, all the way down.
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He's lying for our own good 👍
 
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