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Vance admits he knew the cats and dogs thing was a lie.

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

All lies, all the way down.


“Gov. Mike DeWine of Ohio, a Republican, said in an interview on ABC News that the claim that migrants in Springfield, Ohio, were eating pets was “a piece of garbage that was simply not true.”He said that while there were some “challenges” involved in accommodating thousands of migrants in Springfield, they had benefited the city economically.“
 
Vance admits he knew the cats and dogs thing was a lie.

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

All lies, all the way down.
The claim from the poster in the other thread was about Haitians eating pets, I wasn’t addressing Trumps statement during the debate. So are they eating pets? Maybe. What in fact are they doing instead? They are killing and eating geese in public per eye witness accounts I posted, running into and killing people with their cars (11 year old killed in 2023 by Haitian driver), driving without licenses, clogging up welfare resources that could go towards the citizens, multiple Haitian families cohabitating and running up rental prices which displaces the poor single family American households (source: the NYT daily podcast), public school teachers taking extra time teaching Haitian kids that don’t speak English thus taking attention away from the American students (the daily), I could go on. 20,000 newly arrived Haitians in a town of 80,000 (again, my source is the daily). I’m glad trump brought attention to the situation because now even the NYT has to publish podcasts stating all the facts (which are awful) to debunk his dogs and cats claim. It’s beautiful.
 
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Must be a disgruntled Taylor Swift fan.
 
The claim from the poster in the other thread was about Haitians eating pets, I wasn’t addressing Trumps statement during the debate. So are they eating pets? Maybe. What in fact are they doing instead? They are killing and eating geese in public per eye witness accounts I posted, running into and killing people with their cars (11 year old killed in 2023 by Haitian driver), driving without licenses, clogging up welfare resources that could go towards the citizens, multiple Haitian families cohabitating and running up rental prices which displaces the poor single family American households (source: the NYT daily podcast), public school teachers taking extra time teaching Haitian kids that don’t speak English thus taking attention away from the American students (the daily), I could go on. 20,000 newly arrived Haitians in a town of 80,000 (again, my source is the daily). I’m glad trump brought attention to the situation because now even the NYT has to publish podcasts stating all the facts (which are awful) to debunk his dogs and cats claim. It’s beautiful.
Barbaric...Unless pairing with a dry Riesling or Barolo if you prefer Red.
 
Trump should hide just like Biden did in 2020 and his chances will improve.
 

Very familiar with that street. I have 2 homes nearby.

It seems the whole thing was outside of his golf club. Someone was carrying a AR-15 style riffle.
 

Very familiar with that street. I have 2 homes nearby.

It seems the whole thing was outside of his golf club. Someone was carrying a AR-15 style riffle.
I am sure they bought that rifle for self defense, as the founders intended
 
Vance admits he knew the cats and dogs thing was a lie.

"If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

All lies, all the way down.
I think that sounds more like a let me come up with something to hide how I got duped.
 
The malicious false rhetoric about Trump being a dictator, promising bloodshed, and calling Nazis fine people has to stop. How low will they go? Will she not stop being a lying disgusting pig motivating crazed whackos until one is successful?
 
The malicious false rhetoric about Trump being a dictator, promising bloodshed, and calling Nazis fine people has to stop. How low will they go? Will she not stop the lying till a crazed whacko is successful?
As we all know, the doctrine of Leftist tolerance requires that dangerous words be retaliated against with mostly peaceful assassination attempts.
 
As we all know, the doctrine of Leftist tolerance requires that dangerous words be retaliated against with mostly peaceful assassination attempts.

What even is this argument?

The last assassination attempt of Trump was, by all accounts, performed by a conservative.

The motivations and politics for this current guy are as of yet unknown.

I don't know what doctrine you're referring to or if any sizeable number of Americans follows it.
 
What even is this argument?

The last assassination attempt of Trump was, by all accounts, performed by a conservative.

The motivations and politics for this current guy are as of yet unknown.

I don't know what doctrine you're referring to or if any sizeable number of Americans follows it.

Doesn't matter if the prior assassin was conservative or liberal.

There is this rhetoric that Trump is some existential threat to the country and he can't become president or democracy will die.

Complete and utter hyperbole considering Trump was president for 4 years and we had no active wars and everyone's quality of life was fine.

Liberals keep pushing this false narrative and mentally disturbed individuals will take it upon themselves to try to murder a former president. This is directly because a significant number of people are pushing this narrative about Trump.

That's 2 assassination attempts on him. One literally inches away from killing him.

It's ridiculous and sad that it has come to this point.

I will give Trump credit. He could easily walk away from this but he's still pushing forward. I respect that drive in him to stay in the race.
 
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Doesn't matter if the prior assassin was conservative or liberal.

100% you would not be saying this if it had been a Democratic voter, lol.

There is this rhetoric that Trump is done existential threat to the country and he can't become president or democracy will die.

Complete and utter hyperbole considering Trump was president for 4 years and we had no active wars and everyone's quality of life was fine.

He did attempt a coup for which accountability has yet to come. Not justifying his assassination, but he is a threat to democracy. We WERE actively involved in a war in Afghanistan during his presidency. Let's not forget we have a lot of Republicans who agree on his danger, RINOs like Cheney.


Liberals keep pushing this false narrative and mentally disturbed individuals will take it upon themselves to try to murder a former president. This is directly because a significant number of people are pushing this narrative about Trump.

If I just post the Jan 6th report, I'm not pushing a false narrative. I'm sharing the widely accepted view shared by our nation's elected officials. They use the word "coup" to describe Trump's actions. That is a good word to describe his actions.

I will give Trump credit. He could easily walk away from this but he's still pushing forward. I respect that drive in him to stay in the race.

Trump's motivation is not to better the country, IMO it's 100% self-motivated (egoism as another person here would put it) to keep himself out of jail.
 
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Doesn't matter if the prior assassin was conservative or liberal.

There is this rhetoric that Trump is done existential threat to the country and he can't become president or democracy will die.

Complete and utter hyperbole considering Trump was president for 4 years and we had no active wars and everyone's quality of life was fine.

Liberals keep pushing this false narrative and mentally disturbed individuals will take it upon themselves to try to murder a former president. This is directly because a significant number of people are pushing this narrative about Trump.

That's 2 assassination attempts on him. One literally inches away from killing him.

It's ridiculous and sad that it has come to this point.

I will give Trump credit. He could easily walk away from this but he's still pushing forward. I respect that drive in him to stay in the race.
Wow, such revisionist history. I seem to forget that Trump invited the Taliban to Camp David to surrender Afghanistan to them. Trump negotiated with f@@@@@g terrorists. And yes we were at war in Afghanistan during the Trump Presidency.
 
The malicious false rhetoric about Trump being a dictator, promising bloodshed, and calling Nazis fine people has to stop. How low will they go? Will she not stop being a lying disgusting pig motivating crazed whackos until one is successful?
Seriously, you're blaming Harris for this?


I am (again) interested in how someone with a rifle got within a few hundred yards of Trump. Maybe he needs a bigger security detail.
 
The last assassination attempt of Trump was, by all accounts, performed by a conservative.

You sure?

“Authorities have said that Crooks' political views are unknown, and they have not determined whether his assassination attempt was politically motivated. Public records do not indicate his views.”

He donated the left. He was registered as a republican and voted once in the 2020 midterms. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he was a conservative.

Sorry but I agree with some of the other posters. The Trump at all costs rhetoric is dangerous, and it bleeds through in some of the lefts overall opinion of anyone on the right.

 
You sure?

“Authorities have said that Crooks' political views are unknown, and they have not determined whether his assassination attempt was politically motivated. Public records do not indicate his views.”

He donated the left. He was registered as a republican and voted once in the 2020 midterms. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he was a conservative.

Sorry but I agree with some of the other posters. The Trump at all costs rhetoric is dangerous, and it bleeds through in some of the lefts overall opinion of anyone on the right.


It was my understanding that his classmates at least were of the opinion he held conservative views in addition to his Republican party registration. If you'd prefer to take it as "not yet determined" I'm not going to hold it against anyone, but those seem like reasonable enough proxies for political leanings to me. Maybe some more evidence to the contrary will come to light though. I would say it's a small slice of America that defines themselves as "Republican" but not also "conservative", but I'm willing to grant that it's possible he fits there.

Trump is dangerous. He has proven that with his actions during his Presidency. I'm not going to say he should be assassinated, but communicating the threat he poses to democratic norms means talking about the bad things he has done to subvert an election. I'm not going to say there aren't people on the Left (or Right) who advocate for assassinating him.

Here's 83yo Dick Cheney using strong rhetoric lol:

"In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump. He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again."
 
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You sure?

“Authorities have said that Crooks' political views are unknown, and they have not determined whether his assassination attempt was politically motivated. Public records do not indicate his views.”

He donated the left. He was registered as a republican and voted once in the 2020 midterms. There is absolutely nothing to suggest he was a conservative.

Sorry but I agree with some of the other posters. The Trump at all costs rhetoric is dangerous, and it bleeds through in some of the lefts overall opinion of anyone on the right.

Trump has given people plenty of reasons to hate him just by his own comments and rhetoric.

Blaming this on the left is just nonsense.

Would you feel better if Harris told all of the would-be assassin's to standby? Or maybe there are good people on both sides.
 
Now is not the time for politics!! Thoughts and prayers and as a famous poet once said “ We have to get over it”.
 
The malicious false rhetoric about Trump being a dictator, promising bloodshed, and calling Nazis fine people has to stop. How low will they go? Will she not stop being a lying disgusting pig motivating crazed whackos until one is successful?
The guy is a disillusioned (MAGA) Trump supporter.

He voted for Trump in 2016 and now a big Vivek and Haley fan based on his social media posts.
 
Seriously, you're blaming Harris for this?


I am (again) interested in how someone with a rifle got within a few hundred yards of Trump. Maybe he needs a bigger security detail.
Seriously, you're not?

Years of he's Hitler, he's friends with Putin, he wants to be a dictator, he thinks Nazis are fine people, he promises bloodshed if he loses, he'll end Democracy....

HELL EFFING YES THESE INTENTIONAL LIES HAVE MOTIVATED NUTJOBS TO THINK THEY ARE "SAVING AMERICA!"
 
Seriously, you're not?

Years of he's Hitler, he's friends with Putin, he wants to be a dictator, he thinks Nazis are fine people, he promises bloodshed if he loses, he'll end Democracy....

HELL EFFING YES THESE INTENTIONAL LIES HAVE MOTIVATED NUTJOBS TO THINK THEY ARE "SAVING AMERICA!"
Hr said that himself that he wants to be a dictator for 1 day.
 
Seriously, you're not?

Years of he's Hitler, he's friends with Putin, he wants to be a dictator, he thinks Nazis are fine people, he promises bloodshed if he loses, he'll end Democracy....

HELL EFFING YES THESE INTENTIONAL LIES HAVE MOTIVATED NUTJOBS TO THINK THEY ARE "SAVING AMERICA!"
Same stuff comes the from the maga folks. Just look at the Haitian crap he created.

Difference is, it's directly from Trump and Vance.
 
Same stuff comes the from the maga folks. Just look at the Haitian crap he created.

Difference is, it's directly from Trump and Vance.
I feel like the election is slipping away from Trump...

Republicans better keep the senate seat in FL in order to keep Harris in check.
 
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Seriously, you're not?

Years of he's Hitler, he's friends with Putin, he wants to be a dictator, he thinks Nazis are fine people, he promises bloodshed if he loses, he'll end Democracy....

JD Vance is the one who called Trump the next Hitler, not Harris.

Trump's the one who likes to tell his paramilitary supporters to "stand by".

You're confused.

HELL EFFING YES THESE INTENTIONAL LIES HAVE MOTIVATED NUTJOBS TO THINK THEY ARE "SAVING AMERICA!"
And increasingly hysterical.
 
Yeah exactly like I said in the other thread. From “it’s not happening” to “it’s happening and it’s a good thing.” Always on cue. Always predictable.


 
The claim from the poster in the other thread was about Haitians eating pets, I wasn’t addressing Trumps statement during the debate. So are they eating pets? Maybe. What in fact are they doing instead? They are killing and eating geese in public per eye witness accounts I posted, running into and killing people with their cars (11 year old killed in 2023 by Haitian driver), driving without licenses, clogging up welfare resources that could go towards the citizens, multiple Haitian families cohabitating and running up rental prices which displaces the poor single family American households (source: the NYT daily podcast), public school teachers taking extra time teaching Haitian kids that don’t speak English thus taking attention away from the American students (the daily), I could go on. 20,000 newly arrived Haitians in a town of 80,000 (again, my source is the daily). I’m glad trump brought attention to the situation because now even the NYT has to publish podcasts stating all the facts (which are awful) to debunk his dogs and cats claim. It’s beautiful.
You fell for the dogs and cats and posted “evidence” videos which was not what you thought it was and now you’re attempting to expand the argument into something beyond your initial incorrect claim. Just admit you were wrong.
 
You fell for the dogs and cats and posted “evidence” videos which was not what you thought it was and now you’re attempting to expand the argument into something beyond your initial incorrect claim. Just admit you were wrong.
If eating pets is good enough for RFK, it is good enough for Haitians. Why do people hold Haitian immigrants to a higher standard of behavior than a presidential candidate?
 
You fell for the dogs and cats and posted “evidence” videos which was not what you thought it was and now you’re attempting to expand the argument into something beyond your initial incorrect claim. Just admit you were wrong.
I knew about the Haitians causing mayhem in Springfield a few days before the debate. Eye witness accounts of them eating the birds in the park, driving erratically, taking up welfare resources, etc. I hadn’t heard about them eating dogs and cats, it’s not true based on the video I posted but I wouldn’t be surprised if they do eat cats and dogs given everything else that is true. Haitians in Haiti are starving and I have seen videos of them killing and eating cats, dogs and even humans. But I have said it once and I’ll say it again, so long as there is heightened awareness about what is true about the situation in Springfield, I’m happy. I bet none of you Leftists knew about Springfield prior to the debate.
 
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I knew about the Haitians causing mayhem in Springfield a few days before the debate. Eye witness accounts of them eating the birds in the park, driving erratically, taking up welfare resources, etc. I hadn’t heard about them eating dogs and cats, it’s not true based on the video I posted but I wouldn’t be surprised if they do eat cats and dogs given everything else that is true. I’m not interested in proving the cats and dogs claim. But I have said it once and I’ll say it again, so long as there is heightened awareness about what is true about the situation in Springfield, I’m happy. I bet none of you Leftists knew about Springfield prior to the debate.
They cook them in the park and eat them.
 
I knew about the Haitians causing mayhem in Springfield a few days before the debate. Eye witness accounts of them eating the geese, driving erratically, taking up resources, etc. I hadn’t heard about them eating dogs and cats, so that part is likely not true. But I have said it once and I’ll say it again, so long as there is heightened awareness about what is true about the situation in Springfield, I’m happy. I bet none of you Leftists knew about Springfield prior to the debate.

To be clear, "causing mayhem" is grossly overdramatizing the situation. I listened to the same Daily episode you did.

The conservative arguments against these immigrants have gotten FAR from their standard anti-immigrant messaging. First off, it's important to point out that these are legal immigrants. Haitian immigrants in Springfield legally under Temporary Protected Status. Here’s how that works

These immigrants do take up additional resources BUT the community and business leaders (largely) seem to agree that these immigrants are good for Springfield economically.


Yes, there was at least one incident of a Haitian driver causing the death of a Springfield child as well as reports of more erratic driving. But the Ohio BMV holds immigrants to the same standards as other Americans when they're getting licenses, so I'm not sure what exactly the conservative argument here is? Do you want to increase the driving requirements for all legal residents? That's a decision Ohio can make for itself.

 
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I knew about the Haitians causing mayhem in Springfield a few days before the debate. Eye witness accounts of them eating the birds in the park, driving erratically, taking up welfare resources, etc. I hadn’t heard about them eating dogs and cats, it’s not true based on the video I posted but I wouldn’t be surprised if they do eat cats and dogs given everything else that is true. Haitians in Haiti are starving and I have seen videos of them killing and eating cats, dogs and even humans. But I have said it once and I’ll say it again, so long as there is heightened awareness about what is true about the situation in Springfield, I’m happy. I bet none of you Leftists knew about Springfield prior to the debate.
My god you are really a piece of work.

Just doing your job.
 
Would you feel better if Harris told all of the would-be assassin's to standby? Or maybe there are good people on both sides.

Trump's the one who likes to tell his paramilitary supporters to "stand by".

It is interesting to me how you guys probably have 100 posts between you about how Trump is a complete idiot that never knows what he is talking about, possibly demented, and has made scores of comments that just don't make sense and/or are totally fabricated lies; yet, he knew exactly what he was saying when he told proud boys to "stand by".

Your rationalization is nothing but low-key justification of the assassination attempts on Trump.

You know full well God forbid there is an attempt on someone from the left you would be placing that blame squarely on Trump rhetoric.

This isn't being a Trump apologist, its acknowledging that a Trump assassination would be incredibly detrimental to our country, and just maybe some of the left driven sentiment is playing a role in that.


those seem like reasonable enough proxies for political leanings to me

The guy is a disillusioned (MAGA) Trump supporter.
Just nothing to suggest this. What kind conservatives donate to ActBlue and/or vote democrat? Its Just trying to put a Trump (MAGA) label on n everything, even Trump assassination attempts.
 
Just nothing to suggest this. What kind conservatives donate to ActBlue and/or vote democrat? Its Just trying to put a Trump (MAGA) label on n everything, even Trump assassination attempts.

He supported Trump in 2016, then Haley and Ramaswamy.
 
Just nothing to suggest this. What kind conservatives donate to ActBlue and/or vote democrat? Its Just trying to put a Trump (MAGA) label on n everything, even Trump assassination attempts.
He had posted on X that he supported Trump in 2016, but was advocating for Vivek/Haley this time. He might have donated to a democrat in a state election.


There are a lot of Obama and Trump voters
 
It is interesting to me how you guys probably have 100 posts between you about how Trump is a complete idiot that never knows what he is talking about, possibly demented, and has made scores of comments that just don't make sense and/or are totally fabricated lies; yet, he knew exactly what he was saying when he told proud boys to "stand by".

Your rationalization is nothing but low-key justification of the assassination attempts on Trump.

You know full well God forbid there is an attempt on someone from the left you would be placing that blame squarely on Trump rhetoric.

This isn't being a Trump apologist, its acknowledging that a Trump assassination would be incredibly detrimental to our country, and just maybe some of the left driven sentiment is playing a role in that.





Just nothing to suggest this. What kind conservatives donate to ActBlue and/or vote democrat? Its Just trying to put a Trump (MAGA) label on n everything, even Trump assassination attempts.

You're being ridiculous.

I want Trump to lose this election, preferably in humiliating landslide fashion, and then spend the next couple years bouncing between courtrooms and he faces the music for his crimes.

His death would be terribly detrimental to the nation. I've said that multiple times and I offer no defense or excuse for any crazy or sane person who thinks shooting Trump or anyone else is the answer.


When Giffords got shot in the face after Palin's PAC published a cross hair ad on her and others' district, the left got hysterical about how it incited violence. It was bull**** then and it's bull**** now.
 
just like you, I post here for posterity and to cancel out your voice.
I hope you keep posting, so posterity remembers what you are.

Of course, you're probably the sort that'll end up deleting his account and slinking off at some point, the way Comrade Midwestradonc did.
 
Just nothing to suggest this. What kind conservatives donate to ActBlue and/or vote democrat? Its Just trying to put a Trump (MAGA) label on n everything, even Trump assassination attempts.

Conservatives who disagree with Trump specifically? I'm comfortable saying a $15 donation to ActBlue matters less than party registration.
 
It is interesting to me how you guys probably have 100 posts between you about how Trump is a complete idiot that never knows what he is talking about, possibly demented, and has made scores of comments that just don't make sense and/or are totally fabricated lies; yet, he knew exactly what he was saying when he told proud boys to "stand by".

Your rationalization is nothing but low-key justification of the assassination attempts on Trump.

You know full well God forbid there is an attempt on someone from the left you would be placing that blame squarely on Trump rhetoric.

This isn't being a Trump apologist, its acknowledging that a Trump assassination would be incredibly detrimental to our country, and just maybe some of the left driven sentiment is playing a role in that.





Just nothing to suggest this. What kind conservatives donate to ActBlue and/or vote democrat? Its Just trying to put a Trump (MAGA) label on n everything, even Trump assassination attempts.

It’s at least worth acknowledging that a lot of the rhetoric has come from traditional Republicans on the right. Trumps own running mate called him Hitler. His former VP doesn’t support him. Dick Cheney has called him a danger to democracy. It’s not just the left who see Trump as dangerous to our democracy, our relationships with foreign allies, and the rule of law. Trumps involvement on J6 speaks for itself.

The recent attempt seems from a guy who actually voted for Trump in 2016, prior to learning that Trump basically wants to hand Ukraine over to Putin’s Russia.

Yes, an assassination of a former president would be awful.
 
Side note - JFK Jr is back in the news ... something about decapitating a whale.


Kennedy, who endorsed the former president after dropping out of November’s election, fell under scrutiny in recent weeks after the resurfacing of a 2012 interview that his daughter Kick gave to Town & Country in which she addressed the whale in question.

Recounting how the creature washed up on a beach near Hyannis Port, Massachusetts, she said: “[He] ran down to the beach with a chainsaw, cut off the whale’s head and then bungee-corded it to the roof of the family minivan for the five-hour haul back to Mount Kisco, New York.

“Every time we accelerated on the highway, whale juice would pour into the windows of the car, and it was the rankest thing on the planet. We all had plastic bags over our heads with mouth holes cut out, and people on the highway were giving us the finger, but that was just normal day to day stuff for us.”

WTactualF
 
Side note - JFK Jr is back in the news ... something about decapitating a whale.




WTactualF

Covid vaccine? X

Rotting whale carcass juice spraying into my daughter's face? ✔️
 
It’s at least worth acknowledging that a lot of the rhetoric has come from traditional Republicans on the right

When Giffords got shot in the face after Palin's PAC published a cross hair ad on her and others' district, the left got hysterical about how it incited violence. It was bull**** then and it's bull**** now.

100%. I also acknowledge rhetoric like that coming from either side regarding either candidate is intentionally trying to stir fervor.
 
100%. I also acknowledge rhetoric like that coming from either side regarding either candidate is intentionally trying to stir fervor.

I dunno. I'm very skeptical of stochastic terrorism as a concept outside of some very specific examples (Radio Rwanda comes to mind).

As an example, do you think Dick Cheney's rhetoric on Trump is too strong? I don't think he's intentionally trying to stir fervor. There are explicit calls for violence/incitement, but I think those are very rare.

Saying Trump is a threat to democracy is accurate to me (and hopefully anyone who has read the Jan 6 report).
 
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