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[UscGhost]

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If Biden was president during the quiet 4 yrs and Trump was pres during two major wars that could very well lead to WW3, I am sure you and most other dems would say the same.

Justification of war is just that; your justification.

Again, war is too complicated to decide who is right or wrong but just pretend that Dems are now the party of law.

don't need to look any further than newsom. First the Governor of helping out the poor. Now the governors demolishing all the encampments. So what is he? Helping the homeless or evicting them? Whiplash is great.

It's complicated, but not that complicated to decide who is right and wrong.

Russia, for instance, is entirely wrong and has no internationally recognized reasons for invading Ukraine. Sorry

 

[emergentmd]

I think term limits is not a bad idea, but he has a point about those relationships. I think John McCain could had similarly used those relationships he developed with others over decades to accomplish things had he been elected president.

So the massive negatives of lifetime appointments outweighs these small positive? Again, just being argumentative.

For every positive that McCain did b/c he had unlimited terms doesn't trump how bad infinite terms limits have become with Pelosi, Mcconnell, etc....

 

[emergentmd]

I said he was successful, and he was. I didn't comment on his intelligence or age. Reading comprehension is important.

Again just feelings b/c he is your party. If his accomplishment was under an R, you would say he is terrible.

Thats the typical my team never can do wrong.

 

[arkgal]

Correct on both points. That’s why I can’t ever be a politician. I would have to lie to get votes.

People have unrealistic expectations. You nailed it

There's another option, also not a popular one: increase taxes. Without Medicare, our elderly can't afford health care. With China, Russia, Iran, N Korea among others becoming more of a threat, can we afford to downside the defense budget. Something has to give. Compromise on a budget or increase cash flow.

 

[GassmanMD]

You're essentially the very definition of a biased doofus who spits in the face of reality to go with a MAGA or alt-right narrative, facts be damned. Back here on earth, CNBC ranked MN number 5. And Forbes (not exactly a notable liberal rag lol) ranked it 15. Objectively, MN is ranked 17th in the US for GDP per capita, which is well above the overall US average. So do yourself a favor, put down the koolaid for 5 seconds, and get a fking clue.

You make Big Brother really proud when you explain to me how 2 plus 2 equals 5.

 

[emergentmd]

It's complicated, but not that complicated to decide who is right and wrong.

Russia, for instance, is entirely wrong and has no internationally recognized reasons for invading Ukraine. Sorry

See this is where you continue to defend your team.

There are hundreds of wars in Africa where there are wrong sides but I never saw Biden supply weapons.

 

[UscGhost]

See this is where you continue to defend your team.

There are hundreds of wars in Africa where there are wrong sides but I never saw Biden supply weapons.

I thought you said it's too complicated to determine who's wrong or right, now there are hundreds of them where you CAN determine it??

As to the question of why the US gets involved? Thats based on US interests. The US can also have its own reasons for being on the right side of a war, and we have been on the wrong side of wars as well

 

[GassmanMD]

Incredible. Stop moving the goalposts, you’ll only hurt your back.
You said it’s a double standard. I outlined how it wasn’t to which you conceded the situations were “vastly different.” So no double standard.
Now it’s about Trump as a man vs the insurmountable machine of the DNC? That wasn’t your original claim.
But, right, sure, he’s just one man who is wading though the swamp, alone. Except for Lara Trump, the co-chair of RNC, and the entire rest of Trump machine. But keep thinking he’s one man, who alone will bring you salvation. I hope the kool-aid tastes good

What’s the breakdown between right wing vs left wing professors at universities? Let’s start small and work our way up.

 

[arkgal]

So the massive negatives of lifetime appointments outweighs these small positive? Again, just being argumentative.

For every positive that McCain did b/c he had unlimited terms doesn't trump how bad infinite terms limits have become with Pelosi, Mcconnell, etc....

You're putting words in my mouth. I personally like Pelosi lol. I don't pretend to know enough about this to have an informed opinion, but like I said, term limits isn't a bad idea.

One thing I think would help is to give Representatives a longer term. Two years is barely enough time to accomplish anything and you're running for reelection so often that it takes up a lot of your time. Why not change it to 4 years.

Maybe 12 year limits. Senators could run for 2 terms and Congressman 3 terms. No jumping between the 2 houses. Perhaps carve in an exception for special elections, like if you enter a term with less than 2 years left, you can run for another 12 years - similar to how a VP that becomes president midterm with less than 2 years left can run for President 2 full terms. Just tossing out ideas.

 

[linkin06]

I’m not blaming anyone. Stuff happens. I’m a cynic

Democrats blame republicans. Republicans blame democrats.

I blame democrats for the Medicare mess we are in. They created this monster in the 1960s and no one really knows how to control it with an aging population outside limiting end of life care like many first world countries do to save on cost. The republicans are scare ****less these days to curb Medicare spending because it’s popular. It’s a catch-22

I blame the republicans for defense spending. But it’s such a halo economy. Even the democrats are scared ****less to cut the defense budget. Cut the budget. Massive job losses. I’m a historian at heart. Economies in wash dc and San Diego took an entire decade to recover from bush 41 defense spending cuts that Clinton continued through the 1990s.

That’s how I see things

40% of our USA budget goes to Medicare and defense spending. Solve that riddle

Well one goes towards saving lives and the other has been responsible for many civilian deaths..

 

[emergentmd]

Which 2 wars are we in? The world is in war, sure. But is the US actively in hot-battles in Ukraine or Israel? American personnel are not there engaged in war.

Are you upset we are sending money or supplies to allies? That’s, like, your opinion man. But let’s be honest in our words. The US is not actively in war in the Ukraine or Israel.

I already stated I do not have a real position on what is happening in ME or Ukraine.

Technically the US is not in the "war". But come on.

Its like if two gangs are having a turf war killing each other and I was supplying weapons/money to one side. I chose a "moral side". Sure I am not shooting someone, but I am just as culpable for all the death of the other side.

If I knew your wife wanted you dead and I gave her a gun. Sure, I didn't kill you but I would be just as culpable.

 

[Splenda88]

It's not over until it's over.

Fox News Poll: New matchup, same result — Trump bests Harris by one point

Despite all the twists and turns, the state of the presidential race remains shockingly consistent, Donald Trump beats his Democratic opponent by one point.

www.foxnews.com

 

[emergentmd]

You're putting words in my mouth. I personally like Pelosi lol. I don't pretend to know enough about this to have an informed opinion, but like I said, term limits isn't a bad idea.

One thing I think would help is to give Representatives a longer term. Two years is barely enough time to accomplish anything and you're running for reelection so often that it takes up a lot of your time. Why not change it to 4 years.

Maybe 12 year limits. Senators could run for 2 terms and Congressman 3 terms. No jumping between the 2 houses. Perhaps carve in an exception for special elections, like if you enter a term with less than 2 years left, you can run for another 12 years - similar to how a VP that becomes president midterm with less than 2 years left can run for President 2 full terms. Just tossing out ideas.

Want to know why I know they are all corrupt?

If I had insider information, I would be thrown in jail for insider trading. If a congressman does it, then "nothing to see"

If they really cared about doing the right thing, they should be like the president and all of their/spouse assets would be put into a trust.
But that would hurt their pocketbook. Let Nancy know what laws are going to be passed and pass that info onto her husband who has now become one of the best at beating the S&P.

Here is just one "lucky" trade. In March 2021, Paul Pelosi exercised options to purchase 25,000 Microsoft shares worth more than $5 million. Less than two weeks later, the U.S. Army disclosed a $21.9 billion deal to buy augmented reality headsets from Microsoft. Shares of the company rose sharply after the deal was announced.

Just all bunch of corrupt people running congress.

 

[emergentmd]

It's not over until it's over.

Fox News Poll: New matchup, same result — Trump bests Harris by one point

Despite all the twists and turns, the state of the presidential race remains shockingly consistent, Donald Trump beats his Democratic opponent by one point.

www.foxnews.com

Harris has no chance of winning. That says alot when she is going against Trump.

I will be anyone a Bottle of Angel's Envy that Trump will win.

 

[UscGhost]

Harris has no chance of winning. That says alot when she is going against Trump.

I will be anyone a Bottle of Angel's Envy that Trump will win.

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FINAL Silver Bulletin 2024 presidential election forecast

All the numbers for Trump vs. Harris.

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[Onefellswoop87]

What’s the breakdown between right wing vs left wing professors at universities? Let’s start small and work our way up.

Why? What does that have anything to do with the double standard you claimed? I’m not interested in chasing you and your goalposts.
You want to claim that universities are more liberal on a Likert scale? To what end? So you can claim “gotcha” that it supports whatever claim you’ll make next. I pass.

I already stated I do not have a real position on what is happening in ME or Ukraine.

Technically the US is not in the "war". But come on.

Its like if two gangs are having a turf war killing each other and I was supplying weapons/money to one side. I chose a "moral side". Sure I am not shooting someone, but I am just as culpable for all the death of the other side.

If I knew your wife wanted you dead and I gave her a gun. Sure, I didn't kill you but I would be just as culpable.

Huh? You wrote Biden is President in 2 major wars, implying (or I’m inferring) that we are actively involved in 2 major wars. I really don’t care about your personal feelings about it cause that wasn’t there in the post I commented on. To which I claimed instead that he’s President during the time that the world has 2 major wars going on, as we are not actively involved in them.
If you think we are an accessory to murder on an international scale, then I respect your opinion, but I view a definition of being in a war as being actively engaged in hostilities. If you think that’s too narrow of a definition, then fine, agree to disagree on our definitions.

 

[GassmanMD]

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This was hilarious.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I grow tiresome of the “they aren’t not the same thing” argument. Murder and attempted murder are both bad. Attempted murder doesn’t get a pass because the victim survived.

It is so boring to hear the argument it's not the same thing. Somehow Biden's garage documents were different than Trump's Florida documents so he gets a pass. Hillary's deleted THIRTY THOUSAND pieces of government email gets a pass for the same incoherent reasoning. Even if you are granted this hair splitting for the sake of argument it's not how the justice system works.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

She was prosecutor, attorney general, senator, and VP. Hardly a free pass.

Sure. As long as you acknowledge she sucked at all of them.

 

[vector2]

Ah yes, this is the guy all the serious "policy" people are voting for.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

What should we condemn related to Harris’ “role” in riots? What was her role?

She helped to raise 40 million dollars to bail out rioters. Certainly should disqualify her as being fit for the role of president if there was any consistency in how pgg I mean people throw that terminology around.

 

[deleted1180461]

IIRC, Trump abolished the entire pandemic team in 2018 that was put in place by the prior administration. While this may not have seemed like a major move or a major team within govt, we know there were consequences from it. Based on what I have seen, Project 2025 would basically be taking a similar approach, except it would be at a much larger scale. It will involve disbanding/firing huge parts of the government and replacing them with Trump loyalists. We're talking DOJ, DHS, FBI, Dept of Commerce, FCC, FTC, EPA, Dept of Energy, etc. It states that it will do away with the Dept of Education. I mean, there's a reason this is scaring the crap out of people and why the GOP is frantically trying to distance themselves from it.

That’s rich.

The panel they created to deal with the virus whose creation they were funding?

They caused this entire mess we are in and will be paying for for the rest of our lives. How anyone could support anyone who had a part in it or even defended it is just amazing today. Self immolation to your progressive gods.

Rand Paul Exposes the ‘Great Covid Cover-up’ - FEE

Transparency around Covid and its possible origins continues to be an issue.

fee.org

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Remember that time someone on this forum called for the assassination of Trump and nothing happened to him (the poster)? Then somebody tried fo assassinate Trump?

Yeah…

This only goes one way. (Hint: it’s the party of the collective. It goes their way. It always goes their way).

Was that the guy that said every voter of Trump deserved death???
🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yeah that was just a wee tad over the top.

 

[arkgal]

It is so boring to hear the argument it's not the same thing. Somehow Biden's garage documents went different than Trump's Florida document so he gets a pass. Hillary's deleted THIRTY THOUSAND pieces of government email gets a pass for the same incoherent reasoning. Even if you are granted this hair splitting it's not how the justice system works.

Are you deliberately obtuse? Biden, and Pence, promptly returned the classified documents. Trump refused to comply with multiple requests to return them. That's why he was charged. This has been beaten to death.

A GOP Department of Justice under Trump investigated Clinton and decided not to prosecute. There's a lot of differences between the Clinton and Trump classified documents cases.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/477641-doj-inquiry-tied-to-clinton-and-touted-by-trump-winds-down-with-no/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-classified-documents/index.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-jail-ex-prosecutors-slam-229547

Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System — FBI

Director Comey's statement to the press on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.

www.fbi.gov

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

I know there will be intense public debate in the wake of this recommendation, as there was throughout this investigation. What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.

I know there were many opinions expressed by people who were not part of the investigation—including people in government—but none of that mattered to us. Opinions are irrelevant, and they were all uninformed by insight into our investigation, because we did the investigation the right way. Only facts matter, and the FBI found them here in an entirely apolitical and professional way. I couldn’t be prouder to be part of this organization.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Again, that's not an answer.

You guys keep harping on Trump's great "policies" and the centerpiece of MAGA 2024 Policy Promise-O-Rama is The Biggest Mass Deportation In History. It's going to be Tremendous. We'll have tears in our eyes. Bigly tears.

So - how do you imagine that deportation is going to go down if he wins?

You really, and from the heart, were one of the most reasoned sharp minds on here prior to an insane level of TDS. Trust me, we alllllll get it, you hate Trump. But now you have resorted to reason solely by emotion throwing out typical word salads, insults, and incoherent thoughts such as, Even though illegals were way higher during the 4 Harris Border Czar years than the 4 Trump Border Czar years, you can't vote for Trump on the border policy because he may not live up to mass deportations.

For the love of God please go back to the guy that used to make it make sense. Literally go back and read your posts like these, they are a cross between the cognition you'd hear at a Trump Rally and a Biden debate 🤣

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Trump is not even trying to be subtle. Lol

That was posted by him.

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I mean, it does drive the message home!! LOL

But never forget those broken windows and funny hats a few days into January of 2021!

 

[arkgal]

Ah yes, this is the guy all the serious "policy" people are voting for.

Good lord

 

[Splenda88]

Good lord

Well, MAGA will believe that.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Come on. I don't believe you are that naive.

When I saw you post and laughed I saw out of control rioters that went on a one year smash, burn, and grab binge, not look at those black people. Granted, the rioters were always overwhelmingly black, so was Trump supposed to Photoshop in white people? 🤔

 

[Splenda88]

When I saw you post and laughed I saw out of control rioters that went on a one year smash, burn, and grab binge, not look at those black people. Granted, the rioters were always overwhelmingly black, so was Trump supposed to Photoshop in white people? 🤔

I guess we all forget January 6.

They were legitimate because they wanted to PROTECT the constitution.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Last page he was done debating with dishonesty. Now it’s game on apparently. Trolls gonna troll.

There needs to be a What in F*** are you talking about icon in that row when one holds down the like response.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Trump was accusing “crooked Joe” of being unqualified so he got what he asked for, a different opponent.

Yes you are correct.
I was one of the few anti-Left not happy with Biden's collapse at the debate. I was hoping they could prop Weekend Bernie up till November as he was the only sure victory for Trump.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I guess we all forget January 6.

They were legitimate because they wanted to PROTECT the constitution.

Where is this stream of consciousness coming from? I forgot the capital protest because I didn't mention it in the last post?? Did I also forget who won the Super Bowl and Hamas going on a one day rampage because I didn't mention that either?

Disagreement is wonderful, but it's impossible to have a logical debate if you aren't going to use any logic. The total nonsense thrown out as some kind of gotcha or "burn" is head spinning.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Harris has no chance of winning. That says alot when she is going against Trump.

I will be anyone a Bottle of Angel's Envy that Trump will win.

I'm not so sure of that.
SHOULD be a blowout.
But Jackasz is doing everything possible to blow it. The way the momentum is going he loses if nothing changes.

 

[Splenda88]

Where is this stream of consciousness coming from? I forgot the capital protest because I enjoyed your meme regarding the year or so of out of control deadly riots?? Did I also forget who won the Super Bowl and Hamas going on a one day rampage because I didn't mention that either?

Disagreement is wonderful, but it's impossible to have a logical debate if you aren't going to use any logic. The total nonsense thrown out as some kind of gotcha or "burn" is head spinning.

I know you do understand the racist undertone of Trump's post.

That's why I like Ann Coulter.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4823344-ann-coulter-calls-trump-an-awful-awful-person-but-says-shell-vote-for-him/

I would respect other republicans if they say that Trump just trash, but I am voting for him anyway.

 

[deleted1180461]

It's complicated, but not that complicated to decide who is right and wrong.

Russia, for instance, is entirely wrong and has no internationally recognized reasons for invading Ukraine. Sorry

It is far more complicated than that. If you want to approach this with an open mind and not just be a spoon fed sheep, you can learn how the west continuously provoked Russia needlessly to this point.

Start here if you truly want to learn something:

Provoked: How America Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine | The Libertarian Institute

The following is adapted from a speech Scott gave to the Libertarian Party of Utah on February 26, 2022. Just to get this out of the way first real quick: Whenever someone dares to differ with the common government and TV narrative about Russia and their role in the world,…

libertarianinstitute.org

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I know you do understand the racism undertone of Trump's post.

That's why I like Ann Coulter.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4823344-ann-coulter-calls-trump-an-awful-awful-person-but-says-shell-vote-for-him/

I would respect other republicans if they say that Trump just trash, but I am voting for him anyway.

So people can't be disgusted by the rioting because the rioters were mostly black and that would be racist. That's a hard no, Dog, I don't buy that virtue signaling identity politics nonsense. The rioting and rioters sucked, and the rioters were mostly black. Those are 2 independent factual statements and if one feels the need to throw out the race card that's their problem.

 

[deleted1180461]

So people can't be disgusted by the rioting because the rioters were mostly black and that would be racist. That's a hard no, Dog, I don't buy that virtue signaling identity politics nonsense. The rioting and rioters sucked, and the rioters were mostly black. Those are 2 independent factual statements and if one feels the need to throw out the race card that's their problem.

There are lots of black people who didn’t riot and there are lots of white homeless fentanyl zombies on the streets causing violent crime. It’s so stupid to make this a skin melanin bias thing which the left ALWAYS does.

 

[anonperson]

It's not over until it's over.

Fox News Poll: New matchup, same result — Trump bests Harris by one point

Despite all the twists and turns, the state of the presidential race remains shockingly consistent, Donald Trump beats his Democratic opponent by one point.

www.foxnews.com

It'll be close.

A true toss up.

Two mentally challenged presidential candidates going at it. Not the ideal situation for the country.

I suspect, if Trump can get his $hit together and campaign on immigration and the economy he can eek out a win.

The fact that Harris is running scared from the media isn't too promising. Her honeymoon bump will likely wane by November.

The Democratic machine should have kept Biden around for a bit longer and then have him drop out closer to November. It would have allowed Harris to coast to victory on goodwill without having to deal with the media.

 

[Splenda88]

It'll be close.

A true toss up.

Two mentally challenged presidential candidates going at it. Not the ideal situation for the country.

I suspect, if Trump can get his $hit together and campaign on immigration and the economy he can eek out a win.

The fact that Harris is running scared from the media isn't too promising. Her honeymoon bump will likely wane by November.

The Democratic machine should have kept Biden around for a bit longer and then have him drop out closer to November. It would have allowed Harris to coast to victory on goodwill without having to deal with the media.

I disagree with this assessment. You can say Harris is incompetent (up for debate) but she is not mentally challenged. Trump is declining and everyone can see it.

 

[thinkorswim]

For the love of God please go back to the guy that used to make it make sense. Literally go back and read your posts like these, they are a cross between the cognition you'd hear at a Trump Really and a Biden debate 🤣

I think he’s been pretty consistently clear that he’s a libertarian, not a fascist.

 

[deleted87051]

Lol

RFK Jr. Is Begging His Opponents for a Job

Amid a campaign slump, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is trying to worm his way into either of his opponents' administration in exchange for his endorsement.

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[UscGhost]

It is far more complicated than that. If you want to approach this with an open mind and not just be a spoon fed sheep, you can learn how the west continuously provoked Russia needlessly to this point.

Start here if you truly want to learn something:

Provoked: How America Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine | The Libertarian Institute

The following is adapted from a speech Scott gave to the Libertarian Party of Utah on February 26, 2022. Just to get this out of the way first real quick: Whenever someone dares to differ with the common government and TV narrative about Russia and their role in the world,…

libertarianinstitute.org

Do they spoon feed sheep? Maybe Russia was provoked by the illuminati deep state with their Jewish space lasers?

How do you keep track of all your conspiracy theories?

And again your provocation excuse had been thoroughly beaten into submission already. Even the author of that article says

"I think it was not just unconscionable, but completely unreasonable" for Putin to invade.

Anytime someone invades a country, they will always have internal reasons for it. They will justify it anyway they can. But whether those reasons are legit are whether they are internationally accepted reasons (did Ukraine invade them first, hostile military action, defense of another nation who was invaded militarily)

You seem to fail to realize that Russian will find provocations to justify whatever they want to do. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, the list goes on.

In the end, Russia's provocations, whether real or imagined, don't come close to the level necessary to justify a full scale invasion, thus Russia is wrong (as stated in your article).

 

[jwk]

I would respect other republicans if they say that Trump just trash, but I am voting for him anyway.

Most of the Republicans I know have this attitude. They're not MAGA crazies - but the Democratic alternative is frightening - so Trump is it.

 

[UscGhost]

Another Democratic success

White House says deals struck to cut prices of popular Medicare drugs that cost $50 billion yearly

The Biden administration said Thursday that drug price negotiations will knock hundreds of dollars — in some cases thousands — off the list prices of 10 of Medicare’s most popular and costliest drugs. The discounts, agreed to after months of negotiations with drug manufacturers, range between...

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[Southpaw]

Most of the Republicans I know have this attitude. They're not MAGA crazies - but the Democratic alternative is frightening - so Trump is it.

you said the same last time. It’s fine if you think democrats are frightening. Just don’t want to pretend this time is any different than any other time. I mean it is, because Trump is running, but y’all accept it and don’t care.

 

[deleted1180461]

Do they spoon feed sheep? Maybe Russia was provoked by the illuminati deep state with their Jewish space lasers?

How do you keep track of all your conspiracy theories?

And again your provocation excuse had been thoroughly beaten into submission already. Even the author of that article says

"I think it was not just unconscionable, but completely unreasonable" for Putin to invade.

Anytime someone invades a country, they will always have internal reasons for it. They will justify it anyway they can. But whether those reasons are legit are whether they are internationally accepted reasons (did Ukraine invade them first, hostile military action, defense of another nation who was invaded militarily)

You seem to fail to realize that Russian will find provocations to justify whatever they want to do. Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, the list goes on.

In the end, Russia's provocations, whether real or imagined, don't come close to the level necessary to justify a full scale invasion, thus Russia is wrong (as stated in your article).

I never said Russia was right to go and start killing people. They weren’t. Killing people is always wrong.

You refuse to even try and understand the real reasons why this happened and how the US could have EASILY prevented it.

Is it OK to expand NATO to Russia’s western border? An area with a large percentage of ethnic Russians? What if Russia put missiles in Cuba again? How would that go?

How do you feel about Kosovo and Srpska? I bet you don’t understand that either because nobody has recently spoonfed you lines to regurgitate about conflicts in the Balkans you know nothing about.

If you honestly want to try and understand this, which you don’t, you can take an hour on your next drive and listen to this excellent debate between Dave Smith (arguing my position) and Vaush (arguing yours):



One of these persons is very clearly more educated on the conflict than the other.

 

[abolt18]

I never said Russia was right to go and start killing people. They weren’t. Killing people is always wrong.

You refuse to even try and understand the real reasons why this happened and how the US could have EASILY prevented it.

Is it OK to expand NATO to Russia’s western border? An area with a large percentage of ethnic Russians? What if Russia put missiles in Cuba again? How would that go?

How do you feel about Kosovo and Srpska? I bet you don’t understand that either because nobody has recently spoonfed you lines to regurgitate about conflicts in the Balkans you know nothing about.

If you honestly want to try and understand this, which you don’t, you can take an hour on your next drive and listen to this excellent debate between Dave Smith (arguing my position) and Vaush (arguing yours):



One of these persons is very clearly more educated on the conflict than the other.

I will listen to this, because I asked you over a week ago to try to back your viewpoint, as have others, and this is the first time you've shared anything that might dig into why you think Russia is somehow justified or something. All posts preceding this have hummed and hawed around it without ever answering the question. I am more than happy to hear another perspective.

 

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I will listen to this, because I asked you over a week ago to try to back your viewpoint, as have others, and this is the first time you've shared anything that might dig into why you think Russia is somehow justified or something. All posts preceding this have hummed and hawed around it without ever answering the question. I am more than happy to hear another perspective.

Russia is justified to the extent that they were relentlessly provoked for decades. Anybody who starts a conversation referring to the conflict starting in 2022 with Russia’s invasion is in extra smooth brain territory which is where most are. Do I wish they hadn’t decided to start shooting? Yes of course. Killing is always terrible. America is no saint here.

The point about working with Russia the way we work with China economically is a good one that hopefully with penetrate all but the smoothest of brains.

Who exactly blew up the Nordstream pipeline again and caused one of the greatest environmental catastrophes in history? Oh yeah. It was Putin. He blew up his own pipeline. Naturally.

Give Putin Donbass and Crimea, agree to keep Ukraine out of NATO. Done. Putin is not invading Poland and the Baltic states. That is asinine.

Does anybody remember when Nikki Haley couldn’t name a single one of the provinces she supported a proxy war in when challenged by Vivek? That SHOULD have woken everyone up. Sadly it did not. Cause omg poor Ukraine, put the flag on your instagram page to show how good you are.

 

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Most of the Republicans I know have this attitude. They're not MAGA crazies - but the Democratic alternative is frightening - so Trump is it.

I have been watching US politics for over 20 yrs now.

Bill Clinton-- Socialist and frightening

Barrack Hussein Obama-- Communist and frightening that was not even born here

Joseph Biden-- Communist and frightening

Dems and Rep said the same thing about the other side. I think here we should be more sophisticated than that.