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When compared to Biden in 2020, Harris did not get more votes in a single county in the ENTIRE country (by 3% or more). That's how bad she did. The takeaway is most people don't care what celebrities or people on the news say as they've been 99% positive on Harris and 99% negative on Trump. If you believed them when they said Biden was in top health and Harris was the perfect candidate, time to start getting your info from new sources.

MSNBC is saying the huge Dem loss is because everyone is racist. Not shocking.
 
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agammaglobulin said:
When compared to Biden in 2020, Harris did not get more votes in a single county in the ENTIRE country (by 3% or more). That's how bad she did. The takeaway is no one cares what celebrities or people on the news say as they've been 99% positive on Harris and 99% negative on Trump. If you believed them when they said Biden was in top health and Harris was the perfect candidate, time to start getting your info from new sources.

MSNBC is saying the huge Dem loss is because everyone is racist. Not shocking.
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Blaming black people has been and will continue to be a popular strategy in the US regardless of party affiliation.

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NukHopkins said:
He’s got 2 years and the legislative branch to actually do things. I think he knows not to blow his political capital again - he completely blew his opportunity out of the gate. I see house and senate or both flipping in 2026 bc dems will be motivated.

That being said, I hope the border is closed, the govt fat is trimmed, better trade agreements. Leave healthcare and abortion alone. It’s clear abortion bans are a losing issue. I doubt he will pursue this as an initiative or will sign anything like it that lands on his desk.
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He won’t have to persue it, congress will and he will sign it. Why wouldn’t he?
 
agammaglobulin said:
Man, Elon Musk - What a dumba$$. He spent $44 Billion on Twitter and all he got was control of all 3 branches of the federal government.
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To me this is the most concerning sentiment. People cheering consolidation of power by billionaires. Why do we think this is something to be celebrated? To own the libs?
 
GravelRider said:
To me this is the most concerning sentiment. People cheering consolidation of power by billionaires. Why do we think this is something to be celebrated? To own the libs?
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It was mostly a joke and to "Own the libs" that say Musk is deranged and dumb. I can't find the forum, but people were discussing when he purchased Twitter that it was a horrible decision

Dems were threatening to nationalize Elon's business, throw him in prison and kick him out of the country. Biden had an EV summit and invited GM who had sold less than 100 EVs while Tesla was selling close to a million. Of course Elon is going to be pro Trump. Also, he was up until very recently a democrat.

Interesting take about billionaires considering all the celebrities the DNC brought out. Are you aware of the top contributors to the Harris Campaign? All huge corporations. Do you care about those billionaires? How about the hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money going to the DNC?
 
agammaglobulin said:
It was mostly a joke and to "Own the libs" that say Musk is deranged and dumb. I can't find the forum, but people were discussing when he purchased Twitter that it was a horrible decision

Dems were threatening to nationalize Elon's business, throw him in prison and kick him out of the country. Biden had an EV summit and invited GM who had sold less than 100 EVs while Tesla was selling close to a million. Of course Elon is going to be pro Trump. Also, he was up until very recently a democrat.

Interesting take about billionaires considering all the celebrities the DNC brought out. Are you aware of the top contributors to the Harris Campaign? All huge corporations. Do you care about those billionaires? How about the hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money going to the DNC?
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I said from day 1 the reason Musk bought Twitter was to control the masses. I never for once thought it was about profit. I was right…as usual. I always am.


I’m still waiting for the income tax to be eliminated. I just made a boatload on betting on Trump and a nice little chunk on DJT.
 
“Control the masses” by allowing everyone to say what they want. Makes sense.

It would seem the people trying to “control the masses” would be all parroting the incorrect viewpoint. Namely Biden in perfect health, Ukraine winning the war, Russia Collusion, Hunter Biden laptop is fake, etc.

A little over a week ago CNN and MSNBC said Trump wanted to kill Cheney with a firing squad and took a clip out of context to support their lie. They knew that’s not what he said and later apologized for their lie.

A month ago 60 minutes clipped an answer of Harris to make her seem less dumb and more articulate.

Who is trying to control the masses?

X (formerly Twitter) is the #1 news source in the country. People don’t need a talking head to read the news to them. You can get it directly from the source without bias interpretation. Why do I need MSNBC to interpret what Trump/Biden/Harris say when I can watch or read exactly what they’re saying on X?
 
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emergentmd said:
When the American People have voted in a "political" landslide, step back and see why they did this. The reason of them being idiots, racists, bad people, garbage, nazis are not it. MORE than half of the country do not fit in this bucket.
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I don't know why you keep saying this. It wasn't ever anyone's argument.

If Trump won with 48% of eligible voters to Harris' 46%, it's probably accurate to say that a few percent of that 48% was motivated by racism.

The criticism we have leveled at the Trump cult is that they tolerate the presence of such people in their midst, in a way that the Democrats generally don't. There's a powerful streak of white nationalism in groups like the Proud Boys. It is undeniable that a cohort of even a couple % of the electorate pulling hard for one candidate - as these people did for Trump - is enough to swing a tight election.

I find your continued denial that these people make up a nontrivial portion of Trump's supporters, and your continued reduction of our criticism of the Trump cult's casual acceptance of racists as allies to be "all trump voters are racist", to be perplexing.

You don't have to go any further than this thread to see this in action. When GassmanMD was putting forth his genetically inferior black phrenology schtick, none of you said a thing because he was on team Trump.

I know you know that "they're all bad people" is not what we've argued. Why do you keep saying it is?
 
agammaglobulin said:
“Control the masses” by allowing everyone to say what they want. Makes sense.

It would seem the people trying to “control the masses” would be all parroting the incorrect viewpoint. Namely Biden in perfect health, Ukraine winning the war, Russia Collusion, Hunter Biden laptop is fake, etc.

A little over a week ago CNN and MSNBC said Trump wanted to kill Cheney with a firing squad and took a clip out of context to support their lie. They knew that’s not what he said and later apologized for their lie.

A month ago 60 minutes clipped an answer of Harris to make her seem less dumb and more articulate.

Who is trying to control the masses?

X (formerly Twitter) is the #1 news source in the country. People don’t need a talking head to read the news to them. You can get it directly from the source without bias interpretation. Why do I need MSNBC to interpret what Trump/Biden/Harris say when I can watch or read exactly what they’re saying on X?
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Are you new or allergic to saying something intelligent? A media company can’t be used to control the masses? You yourself even cheered that Musk bought Twitter and used it to now control 3 branches of government. So now you are contradicting yourself without even realizing it. Typical.
 
GravelRider said:
I said from day 1 the reason Musk bought Twitter was to control the masses. I never for once thought it was about profit. I was right…as usual. I always am.
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Are you in academics? I love the chutsvah you consistently demonstrate on the forum. Bravo.

Btw if Musk “controls” three branches of govt now, better him than Zuck/Bezos and the rest of the left.
 
NukHopkins said:
Are you in academics? I love the chutsvah you consistently demonstrate on the forum. Bravo.

Btw if Musk “controls” three branches of govt now, better him than Zuck/Bezos and the rest of the left.
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Oh Zuck and Bezos are in on it too, bud. You missed some of my education posts on the subject.

I am not in academics. Academics is for weenies. Are you a weenie?
 
pgg said:
I don't know why you keep saying this. It wasn't ever anyone's argument.

If Trump won with 48% of eligible voters to Harris' 46%, it's probably accurate to say that a few percent of that 48% was motivated by racism.

The criticism we have leveled at the Trump cult is that they tolerate the presence of such people in their midst, in a way that the Democrats generally don't. There's a powerful streak of white nationalism in groups like the Proud Boys. It is undeniable that a cohort of even a couple % of the electorate pulling hard for one candidate - as these people did for Trump - is enough to swing a tight election.

I find your continued denial that these people make up a nontrivial portion of Trump's supporters, and your continued reduction of our criticism of the Trump cult's casual acceptance of racists as allies to be "all trump voters are racist", to be perplexing.

You don't have to go any further than this thread to see this in action. When GassmanMD was putting forth his genetically inferior black phrenology schtick, none of you said a thing because he was on team Trump.

I know you know that "they're all bad people" is not what we've argued. Why do you keep saying it is?
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I am not pointing at you but this thread has been full of people who said those who voted for Trump are ignorant or essentially bad people. So you are either bad bc I ignore what DJT did or ignorant that you don’t. Care to research.

I push back that this is categorically wrong and facts back me up. Not only did DJT win but he will win the popular while carrying both houses to a majority.

I am not telling you(general) the reason why people voted including myself for DJT but I am telling you that this supporters either don’t care about right/wrong or ignorant.

You(general). Need to step back and educate yourself why because in no way does someone wins the presidency in a landslide having just morally corrupt or ignorant voters.

I would never say this about DJT voters if I was a Harris backer. But again, I vote and make decisions on logic and not how I “feel”. No one cares how I feel but ur wife and kids.
 
GravelRider said:
Oh Zuck and Bezos are in on it too, bud. You missed some of my education posts on the subject.

I am not in academics. Academics is for weenies. Are you a weenie?
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Zuck/bezo and musk are all buddies at the end of the day. It’s the exclusive billionaire club and they all do business together.

There is a reason why the WAPO didn’t endorse. The LA times didn’t endorse. The Billionaires in the know knew what the results would be.

Btw Musk is about to be the only person ever in the 300bil club.
 
GravelRider said:
Are you new or allergic to saying something intelligent? A media company can’t be used to control the masses? You yourself even cheered that Musk bought Twitter and used it to now control 3 branches of government. So now you are contradicting yourself without even realizing it. Typical.
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Musk affected the election with his AmericaPAC, which he contributed 100s of millions of dollars to support the Trump ground game.

X helped trump by not censoring everyone’s speech and being a propaganda arm of the DNC like nearly every other news outlet. Elon didn’t intentionally promote/remove information to help Harris (as did MSNBC/CNN). Remember when Twitter removed the Hunter Biden story, kicked trump off the platform and removed the NY Post leading up to 2020. By the way, MSNBC/CBS are paid for by the taxpayer and are blatantly biased. If you don’t see the bias in news media, I don’t know what to tell you.
 

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emergentmd said:
Zuck/bezo and musk are all buddies at the end of the day. It’s the exclusive billionaire club and they all do business together.

There is a reason why the WAPO didn’t endorse. The LA times didn’t endorse. The Billionaires in the know knew what the results would be.

Btw Musk is about to be the only person ever in the 300bil club.
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You’re basically repeating what I’ve been saying for weeks.

Musk will be the first trillionaire. People will still think he’s so down to earth because he goes on Joe Rogan. 🙄

Oh well. I will continue to avoid news and media owned by billionaires.
 
agammaglobulin said:
Musk affected the election with his AmericaPAC, which he contributed 100s of millions of dollars to which supported the Trump ground game.

X helped trump by not censoring everyone’s speech and being a propaganda arm of the DNC like nearly every other news outlet. He didn’t intentionally promote information to help Harris (as did MSNBC/CNN). By the way, MSNBC/CBS are paid for by the taxpayer and are blatantly biased. If you don’t see the bias in news media, I don’t know what to tell you.
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Wow, you really love being wrong. And boy oh boy do you seem to love chugging the billionaire kool-aid. Wake up, my friend, and stop parroting the Bnllshlt spoon fed to you. Think for yourself for once.

Mainstream media (Tweeter is a part of MSM) has been pulling for Trump since 2015. It’s a proven fact. His very presence makes them a lot of money. MSM has basically become a tool of billionaires to control the masses (do I really have to repeat all this?).
 
Musk and to a lesser extent Rogan pushed DJT to a landslide. People underestimate the influence of podcast and Twitter from 2 of the most influential people in America.

When u have 200M+ Twitter follower, one tweet is more free advertising than any other media.

When u have 50M watching a podcast, there is no better media exposure.

You can throw up commercials after commercials but people just don’t watch it.

KH made a big mistake avoiding doing Rogan. Would not have mattered but another in a line of many mistakes.
 
emergentmd said:
Musk and to a lesser extent Rogan pushed DJT to a landslide. People underestimate the influence of podcast and Twitter from 2 of the most influential people in America.

When u have 200M+ Twitter follower, one tweet is more free advertising than any other media.

When u have 50M watching a podcast, there is no better media exposure.

You can throw up commercials after commercials but people just don’t watch it.

KH made a big mistake avoiding doing Rogan. Would not have mattered but another in a line of many mistakes.
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I never underestimated it. I’ve been proven right yet again. I sometimes get tired of being right. It’s the modern bully pulpit. Why we think it’s good or wise to have one person have that kind of influence over the population is what I am questioning. Why are some here cheering it? Is it lack of imagination or just an unwillingness to think for oneself?

BTW, how were the gals on The View today?
 
emergentmd said:
KH made a big mistake avoiding doing Rogan. Would not have mattered but another in a line of many mistakes.
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I think she made the right decision. The aftermath of Joe Rogan questions for three hours without a teleprompter would not be recoverable. She knew it. He knew it. Her handlers knew it. Everyone knew it except a few who kept blinders on.
Better to stay quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
 
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GravelRider said:
Wow, you really love being wrong. And boy oh boy do you seem to love chugging the billionaire kool-aid. Wake up, my friend, and stop parroting the Bnllshlt spoon fed to you. Think for yourself for once.

Mainstream media (Tweeter is a part of MSM) has been pulling for Trump since 2015. It’s a proven fact. His very presence makes them a lot of money. MSM has basically become a tool of billionaires to control the masses (do I really have to repeat all this?).
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lol. You serious?
 
emergentmd said:
Musk and to a lesser extent Rogan pushed DJT to a landslide. People underestimate the influence of podcast and Twitter from 2 of the most influential people in America.

When u have 200M+ Twitter follower, one tweet is more free advertising than any other media.

When u have 50M watching a podcast, there is no better media exposure.

You can throw up commercials after commercials but people just don’t watch it.

KH made a big mistake avoiding doing Rogan. Would not have mattered but another in a line of many mistakes.
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Rogan probably didn't matter much on the end. Voters likely decided already.

GOP fear mongering and immigrant blaming is a very effective strategy when reinforced by the MSM. Blaming immigrants who can't vote is a great strategy.

The average voter simply doesn't have the time or interest or ability to fact check anything these days.

Think about the main GOP policies. The vast majority of them will not benefit the average voter

Immigration? Doesn't actually affect voters. And Republicans never helped solve it and actively blocked reform

Taxes? GOP reduce taxes for the rich and corporations. Has never been shown to help the average voter

Abortion? Majority supports pro choice

Inflation? Affects the voters every day. Not the Dems fault, but they got stuck holding the bag. GOP can't reverse it and inflation is already down to normal levels

The average voter doesn't truly believe that democracy is under threat, regardless of whether it is or not
 
NukHopkins said:
Think sotomayor will quit before? She sounds like pooly controlled diabetic, evidence suggestive of cerebral vascular disease with some of those opinions she’s written.
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Can you get someone through in 2.5 months? Seems unlikely.
 
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emergentmd said:
Musk and to a lesser extent Rogan pushed DJT to a landslide. People underestimate the influence of podcast and Twitter from 2 of the most influential people in America.

When u have 200M+ Twitter follower, one tweet is more free advertising than any other media.

When u have 50M watching a podcast, there is no better media exposure.

You can throw up commercials after commercials but people just don’t watch it.

KH made a big mistake avoiding doing Rogan. Would not have mattered but another in a line of many mistakes.
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Harris is not mentally capable of doing a 3 hour long unscripted interview without sounding terrible/making non sensical statements. She just doesn't have it in her.
 
agammaglobulin said:
Jewish vote was almost 30% swing to Trump. Trump got closer to winning NY (as a percent of total vote) than Harris got to winning Florida. Total bloodbath.
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She was literally so bad that a couple hundred thousand amish registered to vote so they could get her defeated. Now, that is pretty bad.
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Harris wouldn’t even answer questions about a bill in California (that passed) increasing penalties for drug/theft crimes. no way she was doing Rogan. Her whole campaign was to say nothing, take no stance and hope the TDS was high enough to get her in.

Remember her one hard interview on Fox where she showed up 20 minutes late, did a 20 minute interview and then her staff started waiving their arms to stop it immediately? Total incompetence.

Once she started to get behind in the polls, the Doom Loop started. She had to do more interviews which made her polling worse, she then had to speak more to try to gain ground, polling goes down more, on and on.
 
Ronin786 said:
She didnt have to come out as "pro-Hamas", whatever that even means. Her acknowledgement clearly wasn't enough to voters there when she was part of the same administration that had supported Israel's crossing of multiple US created "red lines".

I'm just informing you that in Michigan, that was likely the issue that could have flipped the state for her. I'm not trying to get into an Israel-Palestine argument. It's just a microcosm of Dems macro view on the election. It's not about trying to earn people's votes, it's more about just appearing better than the other side.

Trump lies and is foul, but he does it in an effort to appeal to people that are going to vote for him. Dems have a sense of entitlement about how they run their election. They didn't learn from 2016 and who knows if they'll learn this time.
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Here's the biggest problem,
Pro-Trump people can talk about why they voted for Trump and also why they voted against Harris. Harris people can only talk about why they voted against Trump.

Even Harris herself couldn't give a reason to vote for Harris. What would you change about the last 4 years and what would you do different these next 4 years would always get answered with a word salad that would begin something like:
"Ok, first let me lie to you and tell you about my humble middle class upbringing..."
 
UscGhost said:
Rogan probably didn't matter much on the end. Voters likely decided already.

GOP fear mongering and immigrant blaming is a very effective strategy when reinforced by the MSM. Blaming immigrants who can't vote is a great strategy.

The average voter simply doesn't have the time or interest or ability to fact check anything these days.

Think about the main GOP policies. The vast majority of them will not benefit the average voter

Immigration? Doesn't actually affect voters. And Republicans never helped solve it and actively blocked reform

Taxes? GOP reduce taxes for the rich and corporations. Has never been shown to help the average voter

Abortion? Majority supports pro choice

Inflation? Affects the voters every day. Not the Dems fault, but they got stuck holding the bag. GOP can't reverse it and inflation is already down to normal levels

The average voter doesn't truly believe that democracy is under threat, regardless of whether it is or not
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You write off every major issue as though it's nothing and that Trump voters are useful idiots who are easily swayed by false statements.

I could easily say every Democrat voter is a low information voter who thought they could get $50k to open a small business.

Illegal immigration is an issue. To say it isn't, is a lie. If it wasn't, why did Chicago and New York City have issues with the thousands of migrants thrust on them?

50 migrants got sent to Martha's vineyard and the residents lost their minds and shipped them out. Typical liberal BS.

Democrats could have codified abortion numerous times over the last several years but they chose not to. Why is that? Typical liberal hypocrisy.

Democrats on the local and national level are always pulling for more taxation/bond measure etc.

If this is how Democrats are going to deal with these results, then they haven't learned anything.
 
emergentmd said:
After a year and 140 pages, I appreciate everyone's thought and insight. No on here was moved significantly either way.
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I moved significantly from on the fence to I have to vote against her, but certainly not because of the 140 pages of nonsense here 🤣

Of significance I believe a lot of people moved like me the more repulsive Kamala became. She started off a far far extremely far way out there far left loon, and then just annoyed the "stuff" out of people with constant lies, slander, and total evasiveness.

By the end a lot of fencers had had enough and said give me the guy going down on a microphone and obsessed with Arnold Palmer's unit.
 
aneftp said:
No, GOP can't lose one right leaning judge. Because that give benedict Chief Justice Roberts too much power again to make up BS decisions like he did with obamacare in 2013. Having 5 plus roberts renders the chief powerless to make his own judicial rules.
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I prefer a balanced court even if one man has it completely his way basically all the time. I'm scared of either extreme having control.
 
agammaglobulin said:
I guess the media calling Trump a Nazi for holding a rally in MSG was them trying to get him elected. You have some serious TDS.
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You need to catch up. I’ve explained this all. Go back and read my posts here if you care (I know you don’t because you are an incurious tweeter scroller).
 
Gern Blansten said:
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DirtDocMD said:
But people really hated Trump (2020)!! (So why didn’t it carry to 2024???) But people really loved Biden!! (Come on, man???!!!?? THAT much more than Obama??)
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You guys are are so coy.

Just say it with your chests: you believe the 2020 election was fraudulent.

If you believe that, a vote for Trump and even the insurrection on Jan 6/false electors scheme become not only reasonable but justified.
 
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GravelRider said:
Yes. And it’s sad that you don’t get it. Keep slurping those MSM lies.
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My mind is blown that you think the MSM was helping Trump win. You see Rachel Maddie yesterday? She was clinically depressed. Joy Reid literally calling everyone a racist. These people are rooting for Trump?

For the record, I don’t “slurp” any MSM. Yesterday was the first time I’ve watched any news on TV in years. Keep parroting MSNBC though! You’re making a lot of sense!
 
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